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This is a serious question.

Bitcoin needs to be attached to more positive things.

How could btc be used to directly benefit the gay community?  How could btc lead the way in this area of civil rights?

Let's try and keep this thread positive please.  If you have issues with gays, this is not the place to have those discussions.

I think the protocol may be useful for voting in the future.

Bitcoin helps eliminate money from society. That would solve a myriad of issues.

I think brothels should start accepting bitcoins and in gay communities they should sell their ass for bitcoins.



OP URGAY

Maybe someone can comment on particular gay rights organizations who do good work that I can contact about accepting btc donations?

Ok.. serious answer.

I think there is a link between what Bitcoin is trying to achieve and the 'gay community'.


Whenever I see the 'gay community' fighting their corner, its frustrating because I wonder that they would they would do better fighting from majority rather than fighting from niche. Everyone needs friction and a rush of dopamine and how.they.get.that.should.not.matter.to.other.people.

If they instead were to fight for "sexual freedom" widely, they'd have more success engaging the majority and that would then lend itself to a more interesting and more important problem of people being selfish to one another; of people imposing their will on one another, which in turn lends itself to bigger questions about our economies's and our militaries' behaviour.

So the parallel then with what Bitcoin is trying to achieve is with the arguement that people should not be selfish - they should not inflict their stupidity on other people. We should have an economy and a money that reflect those values and Bitcoin is a good option for that then, avoiding third party interference in what we want to spend our money on and with whom.

A vision flashed before me:

You walk into a dingy bathroom and notice a crude hole cut into the wall at about waist height. Scrawled just above this hole in barely legible print are the words, "For a good time point your miner to 1FWzsfKbQijhL7R7AZhg1oumsfTTBD7iVS"

http://www.hrc.org/ - I'm seeing the stickers everywhere.

I'm not familiar enough with any of them to recommend one but I'm sure Bitcoin100 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52543.0) would be willing to donate $1000 to a reputable organization willing to put up a bitcoin donation option on their website.

I also think this current young generation, just needs to wait for the old people to croak and die. If they put it into bitcoin before they die, there is no inheritance or estate taxes, just sales tax or capital gains one wishes to give to their heirs

Convince the gays in West Hollywood to take it in the butt for bitcoin - that should do it.

Perhaps Bitcoin can make it easier to get marriage out of the government's hands.

That way at least marriage could be equal.

By getting marriage out of government's hands, I mean two people having a contractual relationship for their monetary relationship (ie replacing the marriage "license") with things like multi sig encryption where the two people control the money.

1 word: buttcoin

This thread is gay.

Why should bitcoin have to do with sexuality at all?

If queers want to use bitcoin, then queers will use bitcoin. But I don't want any sort of association whereby when one thinks "bitcoin" one thinks "gay" and vice-versa.

LGBT owned businesses can accept and advertise accepting Bitcoin as a payment option.

+1

What a stupid thread......

Bitcoin will probably not help gay people specifically because bitcoin empowers both the rich and the poor nearly equally.  Economic inequality is not a problem for the gay community and gay rights groups are not economicly persecuted like wiki leaks and other free speech groups.  The gay community is looking for legal equality and that is mostly a political endeavor not an economic one.  This is not saying that a group like the HRC would not benefit from taking Bitcoin donations, it just won't help them more then a conservative group doing the same.

You know how I know your gay?

When your like Buttcoin

WTF? Bitcoin needs to be attached to more positive things? Gay community is a more positive thing?

How could bitcoin be used to directly benefit kittens?
How could bitcoin be used to directly benefit yoga?
How could bitcoin be used to directly benefit victim advocates?
How could bitcoin be used to directly benefit singing?
How could bitcoin be used to directly benefit religion?

Your title and your OP don't seem to jive.

One thought I had: keep your assets in bitcoin, and you don't have to worry about passing on your wealth to your spouse should you die. No issues with estate or inheritance taxes (gay couples have to pay taxes on things they own if their spouse dies, while married couples just treat it as inheritance), and no issues with parents that didn't approve of their kid being gay coming in and taking all your stuff, because they are family and you legally are not.



Change from "miner" to "phone" and change the long string of text to a QR code, and DO IT!



BTC addresses under kitten photos on icanhascheeseburger to vote for best kitten pictures, with proceeds going to animal shelters? Animal shelters and cat rescue charities setting up webcams where you can watch the kittens play, and send in bitcoins to keep them fed and well cared for?


Having to contort into crazy positions just to try to explain to idiots why Bitcoins are not tulips?


"Assassination politics" against victimizers, paid for with anonymous bitcoin maybe?


Musicians from around the word selling their music for bitcoin, especially in financially restrictive places like Iran, Argentina, and India?


... um... The question was about "positive" things  :P

Ummm, right back atcha....

+1...although I really shouldn't talk about my family this way. (grin)

My point exactly. "Positive things" How do you say, the gay community is a positive thing? I'll agree it's a thing. But could someone not say _____ is not also a positive thing and put any damned thing in the blank? I mentioned kittens, but what about the feral cat population (ie, community). That doesn't make any sense.

This is a public forum. If I want to hate gays I will hate gays!  ;D

Uh... hm.... maybe something with redecorating?... nah, I got nothing  :-[

bitcoin can benefit the gay community as much as it can the hetero community

I don't understand why or how things should be focused directly towards gay folks.  I'm certainly not against that idea or anything. But it just seems to that this kind of thing does more to discriminate against sexualities than it does to promote or appeal to some.

Why can't un-gender, un-sex preference-dependent projects that promotes Bitcoin also serve the gay community? Like unless we are talking about specifically gay projects, like making a BTC-taking 'GRindr' app or whatever, I don't see much point in this approach.

Any good BTC project that improves the Bitcoin ecosystem should naturally appeal to both straight and gay folks, why bother seperating them into two distinct communities?

short-version:  I'm pro-Bitcoin-asexual

Actually I think it's the other way around. Bitcoin can benefit from being used by the LGBT community.  :)

Keep in mind that this post comes from me as an individual and is not any sort of official statement from BitInstant.

It seems that most people currently involved in bitcoin are hoping for further user adoption.  When considering the current press that an outsider sees and the feds involvement, I believe we need more positive, feel good articles to counter.  I believe that promoting basic civil rights has the ability to draw in more users or change perceptions more so then an article about the Silk Road.  There is a reason that businesses and more individuals have not adopted this fringe currency.  We all have a direct impact on the success of bitcoin and how the outside world sees this evolving financial tool.

I am organizing several bitcoin meetups in various places and I'm always looking for ways to personally connect with people and help them understand bitcoin and the POSITIVE things it can bring to them as a business, individual, or community.

Bitcoin is here to empower the people.  Is it not?  I am organizing events, meeting people face to face, and explaining this wonderful tool in the hopes that we can continue moving forward with this wonderful project called bitcoin.

Thanks for all your feedback.  :)

I agree.  It isn't about dividing people, but about segmenting the market to take advantage of unique niches. Buying kitten food with bitcoins or sponsoring a gay pride march etc

It's pretty light in here, judging by all the contracted pupils.

I have nothing against gay people. I believe if they want that lifestyle that is part of liberty and free markets.

Bitcoin in my view is not directed at a particular sexual orientation. I do not see how you could tailor advertising to the gay community unless it was In conjunction with a gay institution or business etc.

You call these bs posts feedback? Who knew the bitcoin community could be full of such hostile people? I'm not against your freedom of speech but if you honestly have nothing worth contributing to the OP than scroll down and troll elsewhere.

You make a fair point OP, gays for the most part are well educated, professional people, usually double income households, the pink dollar is more than welcome in most places and highly valued.

As for Bitcoin, I'm sure they'll work it out for themselves, just like the rest of us had to,

I changed the topic title to perhaps address any confusion with my intention.  My intention was more regarding civil rights rather then bringing wealth directly to the gay community.

Or the couple that runs a bed and breakfast, or any other business or institution that accepts donations, funding, or payment accepting bitcoin. And happens to be a member of the LGBT community. And can advertise to the LGBT community that not only are they members, but they accept bitcoin as a form of payment. profit! (grin)

Oh well that's a much simpler question to answer: The same way bitcoin can be used to address civil rights issues with the rest of the community. With the same equality of rights, responsibilities, expectations and liberties. Exactly the same as everyone else. IMHO. (grin)

The gay community can buy pizza with bitcoins.

A very classy insult, I'm afraid I have to steal it for the later use in my repertoire. Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miosis

PS. It seems that the more popular phrase is "constricted pupils", not "contracted pupils".

PPS. bitcointalk continues to deliver the comedy gold.

Yeah, FYI, I'm gay, and I have NO IDEA how, or even why, to approach this. There really is no benefit, aside from tax dodging, that bitcoin can provide to the gay community. Now if you were to ask about the furry community, 75%+ of which is gay, I would suggest target their artists, who currently rely on PayPal to sell their art, including porn, and who regularly get their accounts frozen by PayPal for selling porn. Or on a less risque side, target places like FurAffinity and have artists post a bitcoin address in the comment section of the art they post to solicit donations. The big issue you'll rn into, though, is that furries AND gays are typically liberal, so they'll instinctively reject anything that has to do with capitalism or conservative economics.

That wasn't the OP's point at all. The individuals above look clearly disturbed by the idea of homosexuality, which leads me to suspect they probably have repressed homosexual tendencies. Please seek professional help.


Very well said.


+100

Art in general is a huge area of potential growth for bitcoin.

If people who use bitcoin were will to use it and become sort of patrons towards the artist(and music) community online, it could really open up bitcoin to huge amounts of people who probably would never even think of using bitcoin.

Wtf

Once again, this thread is from me as an individual and is not from BitInstant.

I've contacted hrc.org about accepting btc.  I've also contacted the Bitcoin 100 about helping with these efforts.

If hrc.org were accepting btc donations then it could spark enough interest in a gay demographic to look into bitcoin further.  There will be situations at these meetups that I am organizing and attending where I will have opportunities to appeal to particular demographics.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding why some people here have an issue with more people using btc, especially in a manner that could potentially support basic civil rights for all people.

>>Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding why some people here have an issue with more people using btc, especially in a manner that could potentially support basic civil rights for all people.

In any community there are always xenophobic backwards trolls with nothing better to do than harass people who are ... ahem ... supposedly different than they are. I wouldn't worry about it too much. You did get some interesting replies, just ignore the rest.

>>Art in general is a huge area of potential growth for bitcoin.
If people who use bitcoin were will to use it and become sort of patrons towards the artist(and music) community online, it could really open up bitcoin to huge amounts of people who probably would never even think of using bitcoin.

I agree. I bought the website "bitcoinartgallery.com" a while back... let me know what type of art you would like to see on there, if U have any idea... it will probably launch in a month or two..

It's not an issue with more people using bitcoins. No one has an issue with that. It's an issue of Bitcoin not having any specifically pro-gay benefits. There is no benefit to having HRC accept bitcoins than any other large charity with devoted followers accepting bitcoins. I'm all for HRC accepting bitcoins and promoting it to their subscribers, but there's nothing specifically pro-gay about that action.

I'm gay (well, bi). I know a whole bunch of other bitcoiners who are also gay. We don't use Bitcoin because we are gay or because it helps us overcome or simplify some gay-related issues. We use it because it's a good financial system, same as what everyone else uses it for.

Not all people are the same.  This is about tailoring btc to subgroups of people and individuals when promoting and explaining btc.  I'm always looking for ways to create excitement and interest around bitcoin and every single person has a different perspective / outlook.  Because everyone is different I need to promote btc to every single individual in a different manner.  This hrc initiative can only help me with ammo for specific demographics.  For example, maybe the next group I will focus on will be skateboarders or Pokemon fans.  Even within those groups, everyone is different and wants a personal conversation that tailors to their personal needs.  But if a skateboard shop or Pokemon group accepts btc already then it's potentially an instant connection.

I spoke to 2 lesbians last night who agreed that donations to hrc.org in btc would draw more attention to btc within their subculture to people that might not otherwise care.  In addition, people could donate from across the world and potentially anonymously.  This potentially means more money for an organization which supports civil rights for gays.

If hrc generates more donations thru btc to promote civil rights as well as promote btc then I see this as a positive thing that can only further adoption.  Plus, it's not a headline about money laundering, the Silk Road, anti-govt, etc. in relation to bitcoin.  Also, it helps people.

I haven't heard back from hrc OR the Bitcoin 100 so this specific topic may be dying soon.  Thanks again for all your feedback.

I will need to exclude myself from this thread going forward as it may not be appropriate for me to post such controversial topics while representing BitInstant.  I don't want to cause any confusion here.  I was taking on this project as an individual.  Thanks.  :)

When targeting specific groups, you have to focus on that group's concerns and interests. For gays it's gay marriage, workplace and housing discrimination, green cards for foreign spouses, and, diminishingly, AIDS. If you can figure out how to target Bitcoin at those topics, then yay.


I never got anything from you. Whom were you contacting? Obviously, HRC being a charity, they would qualify, though some may object, claiming that they are too political.

I would think that gay's concerns and interests could be somewhat broadly reflected thru hrc.org

I contacted the yahoo address thru bitcoin100.org/contact but it was only 1 or 2 days ago.  No rush.

Hit me with a PM or email if you wanna speak further about this and thanks for the interest.

Oh.. that's Bruno's (Phinnaues Gage's) address... He quit a while ago. Thanks for pointing this other loose end to tie up out to me.

I think it's a good idea to promote bitcoin within the gay community. But I don't think there is any way that bitcoin is going to be able to help with gay civil rights.

I think just plain ole advertising bitcoin to the lgbt community through the standard channels is what people should focus on.

Yet most liberals don't give away 90% of their income to the poor. They still love what money can buy them. They generally want other people to give their money away. ;)

Pretty much just get all civil rights orgs that are active plaintiffs in federal litigation to accept Bitcoin donations...

I've "met" more gay bitcoiners than self-defense rights people. There should be some crossover. I wish I could get the treasurers of all orgs on board with Bitcoin+BitPay with the conversion fee waiver for non-profits.

I'm going to be blunt and honest but don't take it as rude. There are several reasons for you encountering so much resistance in trying to support the gay community via bitcoin. In no particular order:

1 Bitcoin is heavily tied to the Austrian/libertarian/anarchist viewpoint. The feminist and homosexual movements are tied to the liberal/statist/neokeynesian viewpoint. These entire worldviews are at extreme odds and therefore turns off many people here.
2 Many other people, such as myself, find homosexuality to be a morally aberrant lifestyle. Religious conservatives for example. We strongly prefer traditional marriage and naturally wouldn't give money to someone fighting against our position.
3 You are misrepresenting civil rights. Being gay is not a basic civil right. Misrepresentation or misunderstanding of rights turns off another section of people. BTC people are often highly educated and therefore very picky. The slightest sign of ignorance means no one will trust you.
4 Finally, probably most importantly, there is good old opportunity cost. Why would someone give money to support the gay community when they can buy asicminer shares and earn a 70%+ yield?? Or even if we wanted to donate to a good cause, why is supporting the gay community better than feeding and sheltering the homeless? (There's a well established btc charity that does that which is why i mention it called sean's outpost https://www.smore.com/e36w-sean-s-outpost )