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Bitcoin => Mining speculation => Topic started by: cheet on October 14, 2017, 06:35:22 PM



Title: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: cheet on October 14, 2017, 06:35:22 PM
Is the amount of revenue a miner generates in direct proportion to the amount of global hashrate there is on the network?

For example, if 5% more hashpower is added to the network, does that mean your revenue will go down 5% if your hashrate remains constant?


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: Crankautist on October 14, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
Is the amount of revenue a miner generates in direct proportion to the amount of global hashrate there is on the network?

For example, if 5% more hashpower is added to the network, does that mean your revenue will go down 5% if your hashrate remains constant?

Yes. There is some probality in bitcoin mining (poisson and exponentional distribution) but over a long enough time the statement is correct.


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: FuzzyQuant on October 14, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
That would be a good way of seeing it and evaluating it. You are rewarded in proportion to the amount of hashing you perform and if the network as a whole is growing in hashrate and you are not, then your rewards will diminish.

The network generates a fixed amount of bitcoins in every block, so you can see it as "more hashrate competing for a limited and fixed amount of bitcoins."


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: SAAVgames on October 14, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
It gets exponentially harder, the power required now has gotten insane. I saw a presentation by a guy that runs a huge mining operation here in the US recently, and he said they were burning 50 gigawatts. Also, he mentioned that the last few percent of bitcoin was going to take about 100 years to mine because of the complexity level. I think we can assume computers will get better, but it's kind of crazy.


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: HeRetiK on October 15, 2017, 01:25:17 PM
It gets exponentially harder, the power required now has gotten insane. I saw a presentation by a guy that runs a huge mining operation here in the US recently, and he said they were burning 50 gigawatts. Also, he mentioned that the last few percent of bitcoin was going to take about 100 years to mine because of the complexity level. I think we can assume computers will get better, but it's kind of crazy.

The fact that it will take maybe 100 years to mine the last few bitcoins has nothing to do with the complexity / difficulty level. This is caused by the block reward halving schedule. The increase in network difficulty only makes sure that bitcoins don't get mined ahead of time, regardless of whether hardware gets better.


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: SAAVgames on October 15, 2017, 02:55:07 PM
It gets exponentially harder, the power required now has gotten insane. I saw a presentation by a guy that runs a huge mining operation here in the US recently, and he said they were burning 50 gigawatts. Also, he mentioned that the last few percent of bitcoin was going to take about 100 years to mine because of the complexity level. I think we can assume computers will get better, but it's kind of crazy.

The fact that it will take maybe 100 years to mine the last few bitcoins has nothing to do with the complexity / difficulty level. This is caused by the block reward halving schedule. The increase in network difficulty only makes sure that bitcoins don't get mined ahead of time, regardless of whether hardware gets better.

Oh yea, now that you remind me, he did talk about that. The mining side of the equation is new for me. He'd also made an interesting comment, I'm curious your opinion. He said that a PoS Ethereum will never happen because the miners won't agree to the code change since it would kill their operations essentially.


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: Gotottack on October 15, 2017, 03:16:27 PM
I think this subject/topic is highly subjective because it would always depend on the amount of time you spend in mining vis a vis the electricity it costs in your area or locality. So that means that if 'A' only mines 5 hours per day while 'B' mines 3 hours per day, and granting they have the same rate of electricity charges, then it is expected that 'A' would pay a more expensive electricity cost than 'B' because it took the former longer to mine. 


Title: Re: Diminishing Revenue in BTC Mining
Post by: HeRetiK on October 15, 2017, 07:47:22 PM
It gets exponentially harder, the power required now has gotten insane. I saw a presentation by a guy that runs a huge mining operation here in the US recently, and he said they were burning 50 gigawatts. Also, he mentioned that the last few percent of bitcoin was going to take about 100 years to mine because of the complexity level. I think we can assume computers will get better, but it's kind of crazy.

The fact that it will take maybe 100 years to mine the last few bitcoins has nothing to do with the complexity / difficulty level. This is caused by the block reward halving schedule. The increase in network difficulty only makes sure that bitcoins don't get mined ahead of time, regardless of whether hardware gets better.

Oh yea, now that you remind me, he did talk about that. The mining side of the equation is new for me. He'd also made an interesting comment, I'm curious your opinion. He said that a PoS Ethereum will never happen because the miners won't agree to the code change since it would kill their operations essentially.

I don't follow Ethereum all that much to be honest. My educated guess is that miners will have little say in it and that PoS Ethereum will come sooner or later. Question being whether ETH miners will simply point their hashrate to ETC or whether we'll see yet another Ethereum hardfork.