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Title: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: Masha Sha on October 15, 2017, 02:04:14 PM https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F235bowery.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fimages%2F819%2Fthumbnails%2F792x792x1.jpg&sp=bd51b259373a880528111f67316488c0
Simple question... So the istanbulit orthodox christian church has been defeated by the muslims, the site was taken and transformed. However as they moved to moscow, is this site at least an occupied propreity of the eastern chirstian orthodox church? One sure if the ruskies get their church, the kurds are free and then a certain hill a little bit south can be settled... To resume: jewish hollyiest site and eastern christian ortodox zip code occupied too. Who is next if nothing is done... D.C.? paris or indianapolis? Who knows it could bukinghammosk soon... Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: Mometaskers on October 15, 2017, 03:02:34 PM LOL, the only thing they need to do is slap some minarets at the corners of it and plaster the mosaic. AND then they made a replica right across the street (Blue Mosque). The Ottomans sure are funny when they are not raping, pillaging and murdering people.
Anyway, I don't know if it'll be considered "occupied". From what I read, Ataturk's gov't declared it a museum to diffuse tensions. Although one documentary I saw about Byzantine art, I saw Muslims still kneeling there as tourists hover about so I don't know if they still hold sermons there. Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: covfefe_ on October 15, 2017, 03:10:33 PM It's not much different in the past and now. The one who wins takes all.
Whatever ethics or principle we talk about it's all about power and money. A bit of propaganda and hypocrisy, some nescence and false pride. Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: Masha Sha on October 22, 2017, 08:52:21 AM the question: is it possible to have a border with muslims or they must all die? ohh dear muslims, I know you conquered, or are almost finishing conquering, raping and plundering the west, and some part of russia... but your war in the east... you are only dragon feeders. so please breed... it's gonna be more fun. And you will remember how nice and lenient the american forces were... you will regret their bombings...
How many budists, taoists or confusianists and other currents spots have been conquered by islam in china? Clearly this turkey has nothing to do in nato, and should be regime changed and fractured. The muslims will have to leave istanbul, move to their ankaras and all the east of the country partitioned to allow the liberation of occupied kurdistan. the asset of the sultan and his associates looted. or they could all die. I don't care. As long as china is safe. at least those turkmen seems to understand to not mess with central authority of beijing... but I guess it's just a ruse. they lie and will sooner or later continue their harrassements in the far away provinces... by wiping turkey, it would remove the foreign support, and maybe help the pacification program. In this perspective the lives of the turks in turkey become irrelevant. when a foreign nation support a domestic insurection inside china, and occupy an important russian place... I think it's time to discuss with the americans. scapegoating the turks for an improvement in relation? If islam can exterminate christianities and judaism, next is china or india? India is already fighting in two fronts... anyway ccp will handle those islamists... https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1400-old-ginkgo-tree-yellow-leaves-buddhist-temple-china-2.jpg Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: covfefe_ on October 22, 2017, 03:29:49 PM the question: is it possible to have a border with muslims or they must all die? ohh dear muslims, I know you conquered, or are almost finishing conquering, raping and plundering the west, and some part of russia... but your war in the east... you are only dragon feeders. so please breed... it's gonna be more fun. And you will remember how nice and lenient the american forces were... you will regret their bombings... How many budists, taoists or confusianists and other currents spots have been conquered by islam in china? Clearly this turkey has nothing to do in nato, and should be regime changed and fractured. The muslims will have to leave istanbul, move to their ankaras and all the east of the country partitioned to allow the liberation of occupied kurdistan. the asset of the sultan and his associates looted. or they could all die. I don't care. As long as china is safe. at least those turkmen seems to understand to not mess with central authority of beijing... but I guess it's just a ruse. they lie and will sooner or later continue their harrassements in the far away provinces... by wiping turkey, it would remove the foreign support, and maybe help the pacification program. In this perspective the lives of the turks in turkey become irrelevant. when a foreign nation support a domestic insurection inside china, and occupy an important russian place... I think it's time to discuss with the americans. scapegoating the turks for an improvement in relation? If islam can exterminate christianities and judaism, next is china or india? India is already fighting in two fronts... anyway ccp will handle those islamists... https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1400-old-ginkgo-tree-yellow-leaves-buddhist-temple-china-2.jpg Muslim seems to prefer to breed in west. You can verify it by the westward movement of Muslim refugees. Burma, Syria, Southern Europe, etc. Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: hugoworld on October 22, 2017, 03:34:58 PM https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F235bowery.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fimages%2F819%2Fthumbnails%2F792x792x1.jpg&sp=bd51b259373a880528111f67316488c0 Simple question... So the istanbulit orthodox christian church has been defeated by the muslims, the site was taken and transformed. However as they moved to moscow, is this site at least an occupied propreity of the eastern chirstian orthodox church? One sure if the ruskies get their church, the kurds are free and then a certain hill a little bit south can be settled... To resume: jewish hollyiest site and eastern christian ortodox zip code occupied too. Who is next if nothing is done... D.C.? paris or indianapolis? Who knows it could bukinghammosk soon... Hagia sophia is not used for some religious stuff . On the contrary , it is museum now and turkish people do not invade hagia sophia. They are taking care of this magnificent building perfectly. It is better not using Hagia sophia for religious purposes. Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: trako on October 22, 2017, 10:25:43 PM Hagia Sophia has been in Turkish hands since 1453. I'm a Turk. I do not know who thinks what. but I would like you to investigate how respectful the fatih sultan mehmet other religions. Of course history has witnessed cruel wars. this is the case for all states. to be just.
Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: Masha Sha on November 10, 2017, 10:34:49 AM Hagia Sophia has been in Turkish hands since 1453. I'm a Turk. I do not know who thinks what. but I would like you to investigate how respectful the fatih sultan mehmet other religions. Of course history has witnessed cruel wars. this is the case for all states. to be just. Good post, thanks for writting it. Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: z38630610 on November 10, 2017, 10:25:43 PM https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F235bowery.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fimages%2F819%2Fthumbnails%2F792x792x1.jpg&sp=bd51b259373a880528111f67316488c0 Simple question... So the istanbulit orthodox christian church has been defeated by the muslims, the site was taken and transformed. However as they moved to moscow, is this site at least an occupied propreity of the eastern chirstian orthodox church? One sure if the ruskies get their church, the kurds are free and then a certain hill a little bit south can be settled... To resume: jewish hollyiest site and eastern christian ortodox zip code occupied too. Who is next if nothing is done... D.C.? paris or indianapolis? Who knows it could bukinghammosk soon... Every nations changed lands and cultures that they occupied. Hagia sophia is one of them. I have been in this mosque at once. It is used by people for museum. Therefore it is not very essential for using church or mosque. It is still standing. Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: Sithara007 on November 11, 2017, 07:52:49 AM Even here in India, there are a lot of controversies like this. Thousands have died during the demolition of the Babri Masjid (a mosque which was built after demolishing one of the holiest Hindu temples). And even now the Babri Masjid is a disputed site and every now and then confrontations occur between Hindus and Muslims throughout India as a result of this.
Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: spongegar on November 20, 2017, 10:22:07 PM https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2F235bowery.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fimages%2F819%2Fthumbnails%2F792x792x1.jpg&sp=bd51b259373a880528111f67316488c0 Simple question... So the istanbulit orthodox christian church has been defeated by the muslims, the site was taken and transformed. However as they moved to moscow, is this site at least an occupied propreity of the eastern chirstian orthodox church? One sure if the ruskies get their church, the kurds are free and then a certain hill a little bit south can be settled... To resume: jewish hollyiest site and eastern christian ortodox zip code occupied too. Who is next if nothing is done... D.C.? paris or indianapolis? Who knows it could bukinghammosk soon... It doesn't matter the location of your church. It doesn't matter where you hold you congregation, what matters is your faith. What if you did get Hagia Sophia but you don't have a congregation or your members don't actually believe in the church then it doesn't mean anything Title: Re: Is Hagia sophia another non muslims occupied religious site? Post by: Sithara007 on November 21, 2017, 02:04:40 AM It doesn't matter the location of your church. It doesn't matter where you hold you congregation, what matters is your faith. What if you did get Hagia Sophia but you don't have a congregation or your members don't actually believe in the church then it doesn't mean anything There was a congregation in Istanbul, which was systematically exterminated over the years by the Muslims. Even now, the faithful number around 2,000 (if I am not wrong). This has happened in almost all the nations where the Muslims became a majority. The non-Muslims will be systematically wiped out and their places of worship will be converted in to mosques. |
