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Hello everybody. I would like to share with you my program that will help you get more ETH with Claymore miner.

**Features:**
-Removes fees from miner hence improves your hashrate
-Autorestart when miner dies
-Autokill other miners which could be blocking your miner

**Limitations:**
-Works only for ethermine.org and nanopool.org
-Works only on Windows 64bit
-Works only on Claymore 10.0
-You won't get all fees

The "ethical" issue of this thing..
If you have problem with this and you think this modification is not ethical. I have to say if Claymore didn't make milions dollars monthly of your 1-2% fees I would have agreed but in this case NO I don't think this is problem.
I doubt he could even notice! Why? Well I left a debug feature for people just like you this feature shows Claymore's wallets and show them in your miner console. So you can check his wallets and see for yourself how many bitcoins he make daily.
He has many wallets on many pools here is just one of them there is maybe 30+ of these you can look them up yourself. https://etherscan.io/address/0xc1c427cd8e6b7ee3b5f30c2e1d3f3c5536ec16f5

**FAQ:**

**1. Is it scam? virus?**
No. You can upload the exe to virustotal.com yourself its clean.

**2. How does it works?**
This program starts miner process and monitor it. Precisely it monitors wallets on which fees are sent.
You can set your startup arguments as well as your payout wallet for fees in config file there is no need for .bat files or other scripts.

**3. How to use it?**
Place this exe into same folder where you have Claymore miner and run it. It will create a default config for first run so you can test immediately and see if it works. Let it run for 15 minutes and wait for first dev fee.

**4. How do I know it works?**
Best way to use it is to use same wallet for normal mining and for fees but set a worker fo your standard payout as for fees you cant set a worker it has to be "default" or "x" worker.
Simply when your miner starts mining fee and find a share you should see on your pool stats "default" or "x" worker submited x amount of shares.

**5. Why did you do this?**
I made it for my own use because I wanted to try if its possible or how hard it would be. It turned out to be doable so I did it and used it for few days myself and then I decided I would share it.
I have rewrote it to make it useable for all users and make their mining easier. I have added about 60% code to check for stupid things users may do and much better error handling to ensure your mining will be absolutely flawless.

**6. You wont get all fees?!**
Yes you won't get everything initially. I wanted to sell this program first for little donation but over time it started to look like a worse idea. The main issue was that noone want to buy some random program which claims to do xy.
It would mean that I would have to personally persuade each person to send me a little donation and thats simply not worth those 5-10 dollars I initally wanted. Not at all. So I would take some of these developer fees which you wouldn't get anyway.

**7. So what do you get?**
You will get more the longer you mine. Here is small table with what I get.
Basically to be honest I want just a little something I dont want to rob you especially if you like this program I want you to use it and profit from it most so in the end I would get one session daily that is 36/72 seconds based on what you mine.

Mine < 2 days = each 5th fee session is on me.
Mine > 2 days = each 10th fee session is on me.
Mine > 6 days = each 15th fee session is on me.
Mine > 13 days = each 20th fee session is on me.

This program show you in real time how many fees were saved and how much time it saved you.
Now its good time to ask how much mining time you actually lose to Claymore when using it.

When you mine just ETH you lose 36*24/60 = 14.4mim (daily)
When you dual mine you lose 72*24/60 = 28.8mim (daily)

For fist day of using you should get atleast additional 12.5min when mining just ETH and 25min when dual mining.
NOTE: These numbers are not accurate they are an estimate it yould be off -+10% I chose this values for better readability.

**8. Where can I get it?**

Link: https://mega.nz/#!hlMnQZAS!sx2csiozX3uRlsfpsxU45OfUqCWR6bNYE1Ni9QvD_fQ

VirusTotal: https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/0221b376bd67486abe4a2cd20008327a3077723e384d86b7e16560f830020023/detection

You can donate me with any amount of ETH if you like my powerplay mods or this program I would appreciate it very much! Thank you!
ETH: 0x951B737cc259f5d05286183b75eF8C544B4c3772

If you have any questions just ask..

I guess you know what is proprietary CopyRights Infringement? you want us to involve with your illegal ways. better take it to yourself

Copyright infringement is the use of works protected by copyright law without permission, infringing certain exclusive rights granted to the copyright holder, such as the right to reproduce, distribute, display or perform the protected work, or to make derivative works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement




That is the fruit of his innovative and support approach, I am not actually defending claymore as I know him or not, its juts that he deserves what he got for writing friendly user miner.

why don't you wrote your own miner? there are open source ready for modifications out there.

Its very simple and sad.. I can't make my own miner. I do what I can.

When you say "is on me" does that mean we will not get charged the dev fee? Or does it mean the fee session will be mined for your account (fee is paid to you)?

Usually when people say "drinks on me" means they are paying for the drinks for everyone else.

Im referring to:
Mine < 2 days = each 5th fee session is on me.
Mine > 2 days = each 10th fee session is on me.
Mine > 6 days = each 15th fee session is on me.
Mine > 13 days = each 20th fee session is on me.

Yes it means you will not get every round. If you use it for more than 2 days you will get 22 fees per day for yourself. You receive everything mined within those fees exept those which are "on me"

rofl doubt claymore has it copyrighted or ANYTHING even close

Here is video of me livestreaming mining with this program (11hour) session you can check in realtime my reported hashrate on ethermine.org. I have removed it from main post because people sent me threats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrbM0pgavbo

can this forum please have a dislike button in my eyes you steal claymores hard work claymore releases a new version with more speed and lower fee

If it makes Claymore lower his fees then everybody will be happy. 1-2% may not sound so bad but 1m12s every hour for dual mining sounds quite bad to me. Then those 1-2% improvements he claims he made disappear.
I fully understand you. I have spent last 2 days arguing with people about this and many people hated just the idea but still I have decided to release it becase lot of people wanted it. You dont have to fear for Claymore I believe there is more people like you who like to pay his fees because he does good job and its alright.

Hi Eth_saver
                    It work on which Claymore version you did not mentioned.

Version 10.0 only it should show you error message when you try to start other version than this.

Actually I'm all for claymore making his $$...but is 2% necessary??.....Competition is a beautiful thing..Eth_Saver don't worry about those sending you death threats.

And I highly doubt Claymores miners are patented or copyrighted....

So to summarize you Hack around Claymore because developer fees are evil unless they are being sent to you?

please dont steal peoples programs, maybe devfee little high but they must take it. Because they are "developers"

decided to test this, ran on a machine that was doing 38Mh/sec (no wallet access) ran it for 1 hour exactly, what I noticed is that nanopool reported my rig online and reported hashrate of 38.1Mh/sec though actual now stats read as 0.0Mh/sec and my actual shares dropped, so I am pretty sure he is actually stealing your whole mining power to his own wallet.

Can you show us link to your wallet on nanopool? I would like to see that. Its pretty much impossible because thats not how it works. What I see is that there popped up 3 "hate" comments at about the same time its almost hard to believe you. It doesnt make any sense.. why would I do that when I want you to use it?! Who would use it then?

Dude you are full of shit. Anybody can see if he steal from him in 5 minutes it really makes no sense why would he make 13 days plan when he is planning to steal your hashrate in first hour? I think you didnt even test it. I have tried it yesterday and I have been using it for more than 12hours without any issues. My rig performed completely normal exept I got another worker as bonus just as he said. I have monitored his software if its doing something strange but it didnt find anything also it never connected to internet it seems like its doing just some modification to your miner process. Also I have looked in the miner log and you can see exactly where all your shares are sent to maybe you should check that too. I am puting this program on all my rigs today I hope OP will enjoy it as I have 18 gpus so he will definetly get something from it. I will post back if his shares doesnt decrease from 5 to 10 in two days. But good job so far I am happy for you and your fee system makes much more sense to me than original.

Hello - I dual mine Sia with claymore but this is not allowing me to - I see the following error

UNKNOWN OPTION -d

How else should I specify "-dcoin sia" which is the parameter that is being omitted? 

Thanks

Hi can you send me your config? I would like to test it.
I tried this and it work. Its example from Claymore himself I just changed etherpool to ethermine

StartupArguments=-epool eu1.ethermine.org:4444 -ewal 0xD69af2A796A737A103F12d2f0BCC563a13900E6F.YourWorkerName -epsw x -dpool http://sia-eu1.nanopool.org:9980/miner/header?address=3be0304dee313515cf401b8593a0c1df905ed13f0adaee89a8d7337d2ba8209e5ca9f297bbc2 -dcoin sia

when a new devfee remover app appears, 99% of comments is from newbie accounts with 2 posts :)

I had account here long time ago but when I tried to login on it said that this forum got hacked in 2015 and I can't use it anymore. I mined long time ago when scrypt was new and there was a new altcoin everyday. Now I have started again with Eth I couldn't resist..

Cool story bro, but I believe he was referring to the army of sockpuppet accounts that suddenly appear out of nowhere in order to add their testimony to how great and legitimate these programs are. Yeah, I am risking my computer and mining income on the word of a bunch of 3 activity newbies I never heard from before, and probably won't hear from again once they served their purpose.

Ah I see - even the dual coins must be mined on nanopool?  Is that the issue?

No pool shouldn't be problem you can choose what you want for -dpool. I will test it more I think there may be problem with some special characters in your pool adress

Add support for nicehash.

I have found the issue with startup arguments I will make a test run atleast 12hours and then I will upload fixed version it seems like your startup arguments were very long right?

Thank you for suggestion I will try to add it in next release.

Does it work for Ethos? Thanks.

I tested with 4 rx480 in 1 rig, using claymore with fee total hashrate 121.7Mh/s while using claymore with nofee program I get 120.1Mh/s.
Guys you do the math  :)

That's Weird.
I'm getting 31.1-31.2 per 580 8gb with the fee
Without the fee I'm getting 31.5-31.7

Yes, my startup arguments were very long.  I include all of my -mvdcc and -cvdcc , and plenty of other things.  Here you go:

EthDcrMiner64.exe -epool us1.ethermine.org:14444 -ewal [no thanks.nope] -epsw x -dpool lbry.suprnova.cc:6256 -dwal [nope again] -dpsw x -allpools 1 -dcoin lbry -dcri 36,36,36,5,36 -tt 70 -ttdcr 83 -ttli 85 -fanmin 85,85,55,85,95 -r 1 -cvddc 900,0,900,940,900 -mvddc 900,0,940,940,940 -cclock 1126,0,1295,1250,1330 -mclock 1876,0,2220,2050,2150 -powlim -12,15,-10,-6,-10 -di 0124 -mport  [nope]

strongly agree!

then just dont download it and support the guy who re-edit it to his liking.

Didn't Claymore already say that there's a way to remove the fee, and if you remove it the hashrate goes down. And plus, it's only 1%, it's not that bad of a fee to pay.

they're cheap hacks *little  bit of work* because that's all they require.

oh he did his work, embedded an obfuscated dll in gzip converted to a byte array, which then uses ReadProcessMemory and WriteProcessMemory from kernel32.dll.
I think it's pretty nice, wonder does claymore detect it some way.

Any plans to allow other mining pools? I've been setup on Nanopool for the longest and wanted to test out a cheaper pool. I was interested in trying AlpEreum (https://www.alpereum.ch/join-pool/ (https://www.alpereum.ch/join-pool/)) with it's 0.2% mining fee and 0 transaction fees.

Yes.  Any updates?

LOL...ROFL...I bet you're not using Claymores miner aren't you? or rather you're not reading License.txt included

Copied From Claymore's License.txt

Claymore's Dual Miner License Agreement
==========

Copyright (c) 2016-2017 Claymore

1. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, you are granted a revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited and worldwide license to use this software for the internal use only.

2. You may not sell, transfer, rent, assign, lease, loan, sublicense, lend, resell, redistribute or otherwise share this software.
Further, you shall not modify, make derivative works based upon, recreate, generate, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, reverse assemble,
reverse compile or otherwise attempt to derive the human-readable form of the source code of any parts of this software.

3. You may not cancel, reduce, change, remove, block, or redirect built-in developer fee in any way (except using "-nofee" option).

4. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY,
WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

Hi I know about your issue and I hope it will be soon! I thought that I will make next release with support for nicehash but I couldn't make it work yet. ??? If I don't get it working tomorow I will release next version just with new config.

No worries.  I'd like to simulate something similar on Linux, but I may have to go another route.  Thank you.

Ok, unpacking GZIP inside the exe file and doing some unknown things s kinda tricky.

From the first glance it seems that program is ok, but who knows. Maybe it patches claymore fee to your wallet, but also it can forward some portion of your own shares to another wallet as another fee for patcher - i wouldnt be a big surprise.

And then you can not say is it just a random spike/slide of current effective rate of your worker or it is "patch" working)

I dont have proper qualification to check except for basic diassembly until i see some unpacking of GZIP into unknown shit)

Anyway if this thing forces develper to reduce fees - i am ok with that.

Your program does not work as you say:

 First DevFee ->User Wallet
 Second DevFee -> User Wallet
 Thrid Devfee -> User Wallet
 Fourth Devfee-> Your Wallet (0x951B737cc259f5d05286183b75eF8C544B4c3772)
 Fifth Devfee -> Your Wallet 0x951B737cc259f5d05286183b75eF8C544B4c3772
.....
Repeat.



Summary Devfee:

60% User
40% For you.




I don't recommend using this program.

 

I dont want it to be resold by other users thats why I packed it. As you see it took about 1 day to find somebody who tried unpack it. I think there was more people who tried that but they just didn't report back if they were successful or not.

If you are unsure that I am stealing your normal shares you can check your connection with wireshark for example.  You will see to which wallet you send your shares. If you don't want to mess with wireshark or similar program which monitor your connections. You can just check your miner log. You can find my wallet in your log 0x951B737cc259f5d05286183b75eF8C544B4c3772 everytime it connect to pool and mines dev fee for me.

Yet you have no issue ripping off Claymore's work...you're a total class act dude. C U Next Tuesday.

It should be 4 for user 1 for me for first 2 days then 9/1. number of fees mined is divided by 5 then by 10.. it's maybe a mistake I will look into that. There will be new version soon which will support all pools exept nicehash.


I don't know what should I expect next Tuesday?! Some people think its the other way around that he is ripping off everybody else by unreasonably high fees. If he didn't do that and set the fee lower nobody would bother with making such programs nobody would even want to use them..  But you have to understand that 2% is just too high just think about it for example this pool takes 0.2% https://www.alpereum.ch/ for operating pool, providing support, paying hosting etc.. for 1/500 of your earning but he takes additional 1/50 of your earnings just for recompiling the miner when better source emerges.

You're a dumb ass and should change your name to Thief_Saver

Why is that? because I save money to usual miners who actually hold this network for their money? They pay the electricity not clamore dude?! Or because thanks to me 0.00001% of claymore users won't pay fees to their master overlord?

I am ok with giving some shares to claymore for development - but i dont like the way he made it.

IT is ok for me to mine like 2-4 hours, even one day for him to pay his software and use it then without fees..

But it is not ok to have constant 1-2% fee. Include all other greedy guys in exchanges/transfers/pools/whatever - and after all calculated fee you take is like 10% of your income..

And now even f0ckn government wants to control and put fees on you - like you are some kind of a millionaire... REally?"))

Good job here - just go on with that honestly - dont steal shares - take only what you advertise.

Wow, thought the name was pretty obvious...because you are stealing and contravening the license terms thief_saver. If you don't like the fee structure tied to the work then just don't use it...but I guess stealing money from someone elses work to enrich yourself makes this all OK.

Why no support for nicehash? Many people use this pool. I like comfortable watch results in real time. I'm not a programmer and therefore it's hard for me to understand all this. If version will support nicehash you can send me a PM. I'm willing to try. It seems to me that the simpler the program the more you have users.

Thank you I will try to keep it as much transparent as I can. Seriously I mined on Claymore quite some time before I thought to myself that I could maybe remove his fee and just continue using it. Just as you say those 10% are quite real now because after last eth update my stale shares went up a lot on ethermine. I would have to pay 1-2% to claymore, 1% to pool, 5% stale shares, additional fee for withdraw then additional fee at exchange. I would be left with 92% of what I mined in the end.

I will try it but so far I managed to mine on nicehash only 1st fee then there is problem with the second so after about 1h 15min your miner would have to be restarted anyway. The issue is that nicehash uses different connection protocol than all other eth pools and also it accept bitcoin adresses not eth adresses and claymore made some checks in his miner which forbid mining fees adresses that are not ethereum.

Waiting for new vesrion then)

However i dont understand how mining time is calculated - how you check which miner is mining for 2 days and more - based on miner eth address?

This is calculated by claymore as I said in first post its an estimate value it depend on how fast your cpu clock cycles are thats how claymore does it I think. My program read memory inside claymore miner and look for dev fee wallet on certain positions and compare it with your wallet in config. If it doesn't match your or my wallet then claymore changed it because its about to mine next fee. Based on how many times it change I calculate the time 1 change should happen about once per hour +- few minutes/seconds based on how many cpu cycles are used. I think if you just set your miner process priority to Idle it will mine fee every 1h2min instead of 1h. (again these are not actuall values but it should work this way) it definetly doesn't calculate it from date it uses cpu clock ticks since start of your miner. My program keeps the amount of fees mined stored in memory so if you mine for 5 days you should get 9/10 fees mined and if your miner crashes it will be automatically restarted and you will still continue to mine at 9/10 it will not reset to 4/5. And the saved time shown in console is simply calculated by (amount of fees saved * 36 or 72 seconds. )

Another scam on claymore. Probably stealing more than he is saying too

I don't know how can I prove myself to someone who didn't even try it.. I have actually bought ads on youtube to propagate my videos because I believe in what I do and people who find it are happy to use it. I got almost 50 000 views on youtube in less than week and a lot of people use it right now. Then there are other people who call me immediately thief or scammer without even trying it. I get lot of messages from people who just hate me for doing this.

I hope I don't need to remind anyone not to download and use a so called 'no-fee' claymore miner that did not come from claymore himself & instead is posted by a new account with only a few posts? Use your head and steer far away from these.

-Mistercoin

Haha, don't feel bad, there will always be hate. Just do your thing, you are not the first nor the last person who offers a fee remover for claymore's software :)

So you're the victim not the thief ripping off other peoples hard work. So sorry you have to suffer in this way, it is so unfair., but I guess as long as you keep getting the fees and Claymore doesn't you'll be able to console your poor little victim heart.

It's actually really accurate to what he's claiming, I've been using it sense he first released it. I monitored it with Wireshark and even used sandboxie also used VMware as well as look at this patch and everything seem's fine and I get a little increased share count from the fee's. I'm pretty sure u gave 0% evidence to back up your claim. If you Don't trust it then move along and use the regular version, which nothing is wrong with that either.

No one is going to listen to some random 2 post person, sorry.

That's 100% fine by me. You don't have to apologize M8, it really doesn't even bother me as i'm just giving my review on it so far as I'm still using and comparing vs other mining rig's that I have with a few of my custom timing straps. They can feel free to test it them self by using Vmware with sandboxie and wireshark if they think they're at risk. I actually recommend that to everyone who downloads programs off E-net forums and such. Safety 1st

It seems i have a problem when entering with following config

 -epool eu1.ethermine.org:4444 -ewal 0xwallet.amd -epsw x -dcoin lbc -dpool stratum+tcp://lbry.suprnova.cc:6256 -dwal rzrwolf.claymore -dpsw claymore -dcri 20,17  -cclock 1145,1150 -cvddc 900,900 -mvddc 925,900 -mclock 1950,2080 -platform 1 -mport -3334

It seems to ignore the -platform 1 line and some other lines before that

any idea why when i run it, it says starting miner but nothing more and the cpu utilitzation goes thru the roof and windows freezes.

we needing a framework of a certain version?

its all configured up.  any ideas?
win 10 pro, 1703, basic. 

but i can run default original start_ bat files (with address modified of course) and its hashing properly.

Do not use this i think  it will stealing more than he is saying. I never meet a good steale.

what is making ur cpu spike in task manager? I'm only at 3-7% cpu with msi afterburner

my config is not in bat file , but in config.txt
and program wont start
what i have to do?

I have to do  a hard reset since everything freezes,

i will have to start task man before trying again, anyone else say this works>?

does this program need a certain framework or vc redistrib?

OP are you still here??

It was made for .Net Framework 4.7 but this seems like the program can't find right adresses and it get stuck in loop where it keeps looking..

For those who can't use their long StartupArguments it is limited to only 256 characters in this version. Config will be changed completely I hope I can work on it this sunday I didn't have time at all this week.

Thanks for replying. Will check again.

I just saw that claymore released new version few days ago so next version will be for 10.1. I spent some time with it today and I have managed to manually patch everything it seems.. no crashes so far  ::) Now I need to rewrite the program because it was too simple before it will need to handle more things now. Nicehash mining will be possible in next version! http://prntscr.com/h44opy

Just curious, because I've never used it - why would you use claymore's miner to just mine to NH?  Isn't the benefit of NH that their miner changes algorithms to whatever is most profitable, or am I missing something?

every body 6*rx570 Previously just 161 Mh/s
Now 164 Mh/s  ;D ;D
How do you think?

People use Claymore and other miners to keep the type of coins they are mining.  Nice hash just mines whatever coin is in demand and pays you in BTC instead of the coin you are mining. 

Hey Eth_Saver, thanks! This program is beautiful.

I have one question -- so you say that the longer you mine, the less dev-fee sessions will be given to you.  But how does the program keep track of how long you have been mining?  Like, let's say I've been mining for 4 days, and I restart my computer or the miner, will my timer be reset back to 0?  Or will the program/you know that I have been mining for 4 days?

As official as this may look, a text file with some legal seeming "agreement" means nothing.  He hasn't patented/copyrighted it, and he hasn't even released his software under ANY type of legally-recognized software license type.  It's totally fair game.  With the $120,000+ he's making a month from his 1-2% fees, Claymore could have EASILY have hired a patent lawyer to protect this.

I mean it's one thing to help others to get out of a fee which has it's ethical implications, but a whole other thing to skim part of the stolen dev fee on top for yourself.

In the next release, I will add the option for users to leave part of the fees to Claymore to reduce the fee as they like to.

I like this program
WHY
everybody is STEELING fees from us
we mine and pay the bill and yes we make money
But this fee thing on pools, devs, wallets etc etc etc is worse then taxes

I am glad some people are looking into this

edit:
By the way i would buy it if it has no dev fee personally i think that would be the best option considdering you are taking fees now.

magic.

The main point here everyone is missing (imho). Forget the fee thing for a moment.. Crypto WAS a bunch of "cypherpunk" hacking away on shit, to make strong, Privacy-centric technologies as a means for social change hacking things to work the way they REQUIRED them to work, their purpose was primarily more specific than just the average run of the mill hackers/script-kiddies from nowadays.

The essence of Crypto from my experience is; in a nutshell:
beating a system, whatever that system maybe. Being able to participate in a system which has for decades battered the common folk,
a system which is oppressive and served the select few at the top, coupled with innovation in trustless, distributed peer-to-peer systems in order to
communicate in a secure manner 'and/or' relay & process financial assets transactions. And not forgetting, of course, a whole raft of other aspects & considerations..
but in a nutshell.. revolutionize a financial system which works for the many not just for the few.

This very issue was raised over in a popular discord channel only the other week RE: claymore's fee's AND as you could imagine the suggestion caused a bit of a shit storm; mostly against the idea of circumventing DevFee however it did spark debate (which was the important part).

IMHO The whole devfee thing is stupid shit! However dumb it maybe, it is on most people's (who mine Crypto specifically ETH\ETC\SC\DCR\PASL\LBRY) minds..
And most of all how to defeat\bypass said fee's.

Ultimately, this question boils-down to the main thrust of the issue, for miners & the crypto space in general is BEING the most PROFITABLE. Also two fold to be able to contribute to a 'cause!'
Miners appreciate the fact participating in mining crypto is / can be expensive, therefore any advantage gained (perceived or not) the majority will go for it.

its human nature to take path of least resistance.

Going back to my initial point regarding the WHOLE fee thing. I think it boils down to the structure AND the means by which Claymore has gone about generating HIS fees. Which is from a CAPTIVE audience. A caveat provided by claymore in his miners is that you CAN -devfee 0 and take a mining performance hit.

Yes, I do agree developers need to make a wage to survive.. I stress a wage.. NOT a fucking monopoly which reapes in hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not, millions of bucks FOR Claymores (reoccurring).

There are other issues which people fail to mention is 1-2% of something seems small but extrapolate that over a long period & multiply & compound that with thousands of miners which makes for a HUGE profit and possibility OTHER negative outcomes could occur from one person being able to charge miners who wish to participate.

There are Fees everywhere now, a Pool fee, a Fee to mine with a tool, A fee to send from Pool > Wallet ANOTHER FEE to sell into another coin ANOTHER fee to then pull back out. FEES GALORE  

What about the security implications of having such a widely used miner which is closed source and yet another flaw is discovered (RE: remote port vulnerability in Claymore v10.5 + below)

A single person(dev) should not have this much influance OR control IMHO. it's not healthy. So, I say fuck it if he profits from others work merged which his own work then why not allow others to profit off claymores back. If that means I get to keep some of my hard earned mining hash and some other guy gets to profit a little less from myself as a user of the tool in the process to.. I mean shit, Claymore has made some tidy bank now (and will continue to make).

Is it right to bypass claymore's fee and reroute to Eth_Savers wallet instead? (https://github.com/d3z00r/Claymore-11.0-No-DevFee-DevFee-Removed)
It's in the crypto DNA to hack shit, even the hackers get hacked :)..
IMO, I say fair game, let it roll!.

Seems legit. If I comprehend that stuff he did correctly, he did the minimum of changing the orig code to exclude dev fee routine.
P.S: funny things you one see, when debugging through code /watch?v=hL0Vkz0etwg

redo:
according to https://github.com/Demion/nodevfee/issues/28#issuecomment-366338759
there is a wallet address found in libeth.dll =/

0x0b374e2f03dDe62aBdC7D28a9efa2081a93974aA

RIH you newbie scum!  Charging a usage fee for a "free" program to try is hardly "steeling".  For a true definition of stealing, see OP.  You ingrate newbs need to get a freaking life already. Hacking to steal someone else's rightfully earned fees is both illegal and immoral, and you will all RIH for your transgressions.

wow... pretty verbose spouting of BS for a 20-post newb lol.  So, since you are ok with this and other hackjob losers stealing rightfully earned fees from devs that have directly enabled miners to make thousands or millions without ANY upfront commitment... I suppose you would also be ok if another group of loser somehow hacked your paycheck and stole 10-15% of your earnings every month, right?  Because after all, while your pay as a bus-boy at Red Robin might not seem like a lot to some, it is comparatively a TON more than those unemployed scum of the earth hackers are making, so it is justifiable for them to steal from you since you are making more than them.

So, what do you say?  Is your paltry pay-check also fair game?  Let it roll baby!

hmmm... instead, why not go jump off a building and save all reasonable people some time from reading your excuses of why you think it's ok to outright steal from others.  This would also save you from going to prison, where you will most assuredly get what you deserve for your crimes.  Amazing how many losers will make such a huge deal out of 1 freaking %!  OP willing to go to prison for 1% and dolts who use his hackjob willing to risk all your crypto earnings by running a script from a cheat/hack/POS newb again... to save 1%???!!! how about actually trying to use that brain you supposedly have in your heads lol.

hello, plz update for claymore v11.0. Thank you

If you don't like the fees, you can do the following:
1. use  a mining software without fees (genoils ethminer)
2. try to solo mine (you don't pay any pool fee)
3. mine a coin without dev fees

p.s. Dev's should be paid for their work. If you don't like to pay their fees, don't use their software...

I wrote a little hack that completely removes the fees and works with all pools

https://github.com/weezy007/claymore-v.11-no-dev-fee/blob/master/README.md

"Newbie" You do not know wtf you are talking about. BCT Post count means fek all, my man!

I've been in this game from the start mate.. multiple projects under my belt AND ongoing!.

As for defeating claymores v11.x Demion/nodevfee has 2 different approaches BOTH work Injection.dll method or Windows Packet Divert method!  [https://reqrypt.org/windivert.html]

- If you bothered to educate yourself you would realise the dev fee which would have originally gone into Claymore's pockets is now redirected into your own address.
- This then also makes the whole "Stole" part of this threads argument fall on its head. Nothing is being stolen, As its originally generated by own hardware and rerouted to own wallet NOT TO ANY DEVS but own address(es)


Get the fek outta here. lmfao! if you are talking about a mear 30MH/s rig then yeah what's 1.5%+ on dual.
however, you scale up to 870MH/s ETH AND 17+ KH/s Cryptonight rig(s) Those fees add up fast.
I do this for fun, for others & not purely for profits, that's just a happy byproduct and not a motivating factor.

I don't think I will be jumping off any building in the near future.. That is reserved for banksters and their ilk.
As per the verbose nature of my posts that's just how I roll..

okey, you got me.. Dev by trade I'm an ASM, CPP, Py & InfoSec guru..
33.3% of me Totally agrees, the remaining 66.6% does not. 
Made happy use of Olly\Scylla\Titan\Snowman\CustomP's..

Peace out!

NB: its good to see Claymore reduce the Dual mining fee by .5%. 
Cheer's Claymore :)

This isn't a hack, this is a download to another file.

Please remove.
 
Claymore takes 1%, without the script would you be able to design a script that runs smoothly and efficiently? And if so, how long would it take you to make it?

Keep the fee and stick with the original cmd script. It's 1%.

Just because you wrote some codes doesn't entitle you peoples time, money, energy and property.  Most miners would be happy to pay him 100$ for the miner.  But NO he wants a piece of your pie.  Your property which you spent who knows how much time and energy to get up and running and this guys wants a piece of it just for mining software.  Hmmm, lets say you buy a house and I and tell you that Im giving away solar panels FOR FREE!. BUT i get to use your house 2 days out of the month for whatever I like. Any damages over time or issues you'll have to deal with.  But I get to claim whats yours 2% of the month.  Sound like a good deal to you?

Of course not.  That's stupid.  Id rather just buy the damn panels. 

But ooohh you don't have that option? You want to use a easier miner you gotta give up a portion. 

It's not fair for people to steal others works, this is true.   It's also not fair to force people to give up a part of what they own just so they can use a few lines of code that probably took no longer then a few months (if that) to create.  Yet he wants a piece of your pie for ever and ever and every.  Or you could just not use it.  Hmmm. 

Claymore deserves to get jacked.  He doesn't want to play fair why would the rest of the world? 

So. Is this working? Better to use this with 10.0 than 11.7? Guess 11.x is better tuned so that I will earn more even with fee enabled?

Currently using 11.7 with -nofee to see how much compare how much fee I am paying with fee enabled.

How do I configure it so that it only mines Etherium? I dont want it to dual mine.

so does it work or not lol

I work with this Claymore 11.6 and 11.8 no fee miners:
https://github.com/jrnopnop/Ethereum-Claymore-11.6-No-Fee---DevFee-Removed/releases
https://github.com/jrnopnop/Ethereum-Claymore-11.8-No-Fee---DevFee-Removed/releases

two weeks mine at nanopool...  8)

I read on claymores thread, that his miner software recognizes any fee remover. Claymore miner don't block the fee remover, but slow down the miner speed. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

Correct

another newbie account, seems legit lol

In the title you mentioned fee is removed, there is still small fee. And this fee not goes to original developer. Title should updated to "Mine for me to shave claymore's fee"

You can use nofee option in original miner if you want to all pieces of pie.

So, basically because of your greediness to earn more eth you are stealing developers' money and call him greedy? If he didn't wrote the code you would not get a single eth.

Does this mean on the first day, its like a (14.4min-12.5min)/1400min per day = 0.1319% donation fee?

try this one. It helps reduce dev fee to 20% (so you get 80% back) and don't affect to Claymore mining speed at all.
Claymore can detect any proxies and rederecters and reduce hash rate to 4% or more.
Packages in this links use low level methods, so miner can't detect it at all

https://github.com/claymore-off/claymore-low-fee/releases

or

https://mega.nz/#F!PrwEWSrJ!aLYEuKq2Txuo6TPQ9QzBZQ

PPS. DevFee message still print's on mining, original exe not changed, so it is normal