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I am creating a coin/ token and wondered, is there a downside to using waves to create it? Its only slightly easier to create vs an Ethereum based. We picked waves due to their DEX API, what does this community think?

I'd go for ERC20 instead of WAVES, because the ecosystem around it is way more developped than WAVES, but it's only a personnal opinion  ;D

Ethereum has a lot more users. ERC20 technologies are not worse than others, so Ethereum is exactly better.

they have more time for waves, my friend. waves smart contract not found. recently released 10 projects with 9 ether -based.The projects with the ether contract are much more attractive and people support more such projects. I do not know what you really are going to offer, but I think it would be more beneficial for you and your investors if you put an ether-based product in the process.they already think like many people from me. I'm sure of that :)     
 waves ,one day will definitely come to the right place. but not now.

 

I think erc20 is preferable. There are a lot of junk tokens on waves, and it might be unfair, but your coin could be tarnished by association.

Most of me that says you should stick to Ethereum since most people use ETH (that way you will reach the most people), however I am certain that:

A: The community is technologically advanced enough to be able to use a different platform to buy a token in the case that the token is worthwhile.

B: Just because everybody else is using ETH doesn't mean you need to, especially if another platform offers a technological advantage.

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Although this question is really only answerable by you and what fits best for your project.

I believe there should be competition at crypto token issuing platforms to make progress faster. So I prefer WAVES at this case. But ERC20 standart is more acceptable by market, this is truth.

People are still more confident in buying Ethereum based tokens versus Waves based tokens, even though I don't understand exactly why.

Go ERC-20. Waves has some promise but lacks critical mass that Ethereum definitely broke through in the last 12 months. End of the day when developing on someone else's platform you want the biggest audience possible- that is Ethereum, and it isn't going to change any time soon.

I will say go for ERC20, most users have Ethereum wallets. Frankly speaking, I do not wish to create another wallet for joining an ICO. Unless the project is very attractive to me.

I find ERC-20 better than waves platform. I believe ether has more followers so suggest ERC-20.

Waves doesn't seem to be gaining as much traction as supporters hoped it would. Ethereum based tokens seem to be the vast majority right now

Can you interact with Waves tokens? you can send Eth to a smart contract and receive Erc20 tokens. when will you have the same feature with Waves?

They are saying that smart contracts will become accessible on Waves platform but what would be different than what we have with Eth and other

Blockchains like them?

Waves is far more easier for the noobs, and that actually aint a good thing.
Because scammers can create tokens with a few clicks and begin the distribution.

Eth has problems with scalability, but generally is far more known and accepted, who knows what future brings.

Agree with the majority here! ERC-20 is used by most of the ICOs and even the most popular ICO use it. So it's definitaly preferable over waves

I think ERC20 is more popular than waves
Based on Ethereum and that is enough
And could be transferred and tradeable on Etherdelta
With all my best wishes
Good luck

I guess we'd have to wait for waves to offer smart contracts before chosing waves vs ERC20 tokens.

Waves is a bullshit, i would not create a token in their system because nobody is going to be interested in buying your tokens, better to use a erc20 token with a smart contract instead of being greedy and only pay $5 to create a token on Waves platform.. It is better to invest $500 and create a smart contract instead of making it a not-attractive investment for all the other people who see your ANN.
Good luck with it mate

ERC-20 has quite a bit more support and standardization than waves.

If you are a token developer then dont create a coin on Waves dex please! you are going to make a dissater on your project, nobody is going to invest anything in your ico because waves ruins every project in where it has been, the only succesfull project using waves technology has only been Waves, because ico's runned by them are a garbage, all of them did not even raised more than 30m in each one of their ico's.
just like the other user said, invest a little more, but hire a good contract developer and create your professional token.

This is a very strong words.
Anyway, I inevested on both waves and eth and I really wonder why the price difference is so huge.

In my personal opinion based on experience and using both systems, I advise you to go for ERC-20 tokens.
The smart contracts system that Ethereum offers is much more developed and has a lot of opportunities to create more.

Plus creating a token there isn't really hard at all and even you can do it by yourself. Open source of tokens is available on the ether website. You just need to modify simple info like name, supply and decimals and you're ready to go (just assuming that you want to send a normal token that's going to be traded). It seriously won't cost you more than $50. But of course you can create a custom one which requires professionals.

Waves tokens aren't as popular as erc20. And its exchange isn't as active or easy as erc20 tokens. Take etherdelta for example. You can get your token listed in no time once you decide to add it.

Most, if not all, ICOs that are available right now are in ERC.
But at the end of the day, it's your project and your choice.

I don't know of a single successful project that has been built on waves. I think this is a no brainer. I would go for erc20 without a doubt. Instead of taking chances with waves. Maybe when waves has smart contracts, things will change but for now, ETH is the boss

ERC20 can use smart contracts and create tokens.  They are more than a representation of property but can execute commands.  Waves token so far is only a representation of the token and can't do smart contracts.

Too many thrash coin that already created in the waves system, The waves platform just like useless. What is the benefit by using the waves platform? Less privacy, Less on its interest and another bad thing that linked to the waves.
Sasha just unprofessional person that raised a lot of money for nothing even dex just another fail.
You must try to think for a twice for that.

Ethereum definitely has a higher barrier to entry, but you will get a much more flexible and customizable token. If you don't need that, then Waves would work fine.

You'd want to go with the one that has the most support. Waves doesn't have that many people trading their coin compared to Ethereum so the answer is pretty simple.

I think erc20 is preferable. There are a lot of junk tokens on waves, and it might be unfair, ERC-20 has quite a bit more support and standardization than waves. ;D

so far I only know about ERC20, and that is a very good coin, because sometimes big market, just accept coin with ERC20 system. well, but so far, I just know it right there. I have not learned about platform waves

I don't think the OP need  more information on this, there is huge gulf between ERC20 and Waves, just tell me one project on Waves that is successful, none

I support ERC-20 tokens more than waves as Ethereum is technically advanced than the waves token creation. Waves is just a copy cat idea and don't have much to offer.

Thank you everyone for the replies, which tell me which way to go.

Our project is an Android based application with a wallet, exchange and record of transactions. We are developing this around the Las Vegas tourism market, which I have worked in for 9 years. When I started with waves I liked that they had an API that we could build into our app. The features we want to have include: Wallet, exchange, user area. I am at the point of buying a server to build a node, meaning real money. I am now going to look at some other options.

I would prefer ERC20 instead of Waves
As ERC20 more popular
Built on Etherum
Have its exchanges to trade as etherdelta
With all my best wishes
Regards

ETRC20 have its shitcoin ethdelta exchange so is possible to dump very fast and you don't have to make ANY deal with exchange with bribing it.
SO to me ETH is no better there is no motion on waves echanges.

I'm using Waves for my tokens but will have to wait until Waves release smart contracts before I can do all I need to.

have you seen any pushback?

If you use waves I won't definitely invest in your ICO. The ICO's that used waves are the ones ended like crap in the end and many people lose interest in waves for the past months including me. It is true that waves are easier to use but that also makes it a risk because if anyone could easily use waves as their based many scam ICOs with no effort will choose it over Ethereum based token.

So the platform alone will determine if its a scam? That seems like quite the generalization.

I like erc20 more than waves. In my experience erc20 tokens are more easy to trade than trading on wavesdex.

most, large markets accept ERC20 than waves, so I might prefer to use an ERC20-based coin, because of its greater market reach, or better. but that's just my mind, maybe a lot of people are liking waves in the appeal of ERC20

I am more on ERC20 coins, especially those coins that can be store at myetherwallet.com. Those coins are most likely going to pump. Unlike in the waves platform, not pumping once stored.

if you want a familiar and trusted token you must choose ERC20.
based on ethereum technology this will become a strong security.
but the negative impact of this ERC20 are many developer now become lazy for develop their own token protocol.
so they just use ERC20 without any new innovation.

well you can't blame me for thinking that way. Although it's bad to generalize ICO's based on the platform but have you seen an ICO that's based on waves become more successful than the ones use ERC 20? or at least become successful to get known?

I would go with ERC20 if you have the knowledge required to do it. The platform is much more adopted already and the developers are working nonstop to improve it. On waves you can't be sure it'll still be there a few years from now.

I don't think this is comparable, just look at the top 30 on coinmarketcap, 10 or more of the tokens there are ERC20 and there is a reason for this

Not at all comparable.Waves tokens are easy to create so scammers will exists more in waves.ERC20 needs some skills so I prefer ERC20 tokens compared to waves.

I recommended ERC20 because everybody like this method.On the other side Waves method is something difficult I mean not effective it is my personal opinion.I support ERC20.

I desire that ERC20 [etherneum based token] is more attractive to the investor than waves based Method.Now a days about 90 % of token are created by etherneum based because all the investor like it and easy to use.

Is the acceptance of both ERC20 and waves great for an ICO project?

Nowadays ERC20 tokens is the trend of ICO's and mostly ICO's using ERC20 tokens against investment and some companies issue waves tokens but waves platform have very low volume. ERC20 tokens popularity is growing day by day and those tokens are easily tradable and have good volume. In my opinion, ERC20 tokens are good rather then waves tokens.

ERC20 tokens are superior to Waves tokens. ERC20 tokens are basically more popular. And there are smart contract technology allows so many different things like decentralized exchanges. On the other hand Waves tokens are hard to trade.

Ok, I guess a better question is:

Not considering the investor/ trader part, just the consumer use part. If you went to Vegas, and downloaded a branded Android app, would it matter if the coin/ wallet/ exchange were built on waves api or with erc20?



I really appreciate this feedback, and most likely will go erc-20 route.

I would like to say it is a necessity for a token to be created in the ERC20 Platform.

Less fees, but as Vitalik said in his recent interviews, ETHEREUM is gonna be huge in the next years.

Cheers for that. lol

Well anything can go wrong but with smart contracts, all is good.

I see ERC20 growing rapidly in recent months in comparison with Waves which at this time the price is very far down. I do not know why their developers have no idea to bless their prices as well as their very quiet market.

Investors like to invest in ERC 20 tokens these days compare to wave supported token. Ethereum network is faster than wave network.

Waves created tokens hardly find investor, while erc20 was a widely mass adopted! So the sign is pretty clear!
But I choose the other way!

If you want is market then choose ERC20, but I'd still prefer WAVES since i have experience on using it, specially on trading the token on DEX with a lot of TOKENS to choose from(with green check of their name, which means that TOKEN is verified).

Ethereum has a larger community, more support, and more functionality as a platform.  Smart contracts were supposed to be released in Q3 for Waves but now they have pushed it back to Q2 of 2018.  That alone should convince you not to use Waves.  Additionally, look at the quality of projects on each platform.  Since it is so easy to create and deploy a token on Waves, there's been a lot of bad projects that have hurt the credibility of the platform. 

Waves is alright, but any serious projects will be using Ethereum (ERC20). Waves has its completely own ecosystem and it's not that flexible as ERC20 tokens are. ERC20 has already set the standard and it implements great updates and solutions (PoS coming soon, privacy centered transactions etc.) These are things that waves is lacking, and unless they implement similar things they will be left out of the race. Statistically, the majority of the projects use ERC20, which gives you a good idea (unbiased one) whether it's the best option or not. The usefulness of a product is usually reflected by it's adoption, and Ethereum has done until now a fantastic job in getting adopted by thousands of projects, and we see on a daily basis more and more joining the space. In my opinion, you'll be much better off using ERC20 - but you do need the know-how to create the smart contracts, which are not as necessary with Waves, it's up to you. It's a matter of implicity over quality in my opinion.

what i dislike with waves is the initial amount to be funded when making coin transfer , it needs 30 USD to buy waves before you can do waves based tokens transactions, unlike erc20- ethereum based token, it only need at least .01ETH or 3 Usd to make token transaction as for GAS processing, and it only needs .001 ETH to filled-up that GAS to make token transfer, but that .001 are large enough for the gas it can make more than 100 token transactions unlike waves, every token transactions need .001 waves which more expensive to me.

I prefer the ERC20 system rather than waves because the system waves give too much weight whereas ERC20 is better and more support to many projects

the use of course more erc20 and it's in my opinion have proven that erc20 is better than waves and ICO that is currently on average using erc20 so for better development erc20

we dont heard much waves project these days but im not saying that waves is bad or too old infact most succesful project are come from waves platform although the most popular today and most used by the ico's is under on etherium platform erc20 but i think it doesnt matter what platform do you choose as long as the project has a good concept and has a useful purposes that it can give a reason for people to choose and invest on it.

I'd go for ERC20 instead of WAVES, because the ecosystem around it is way more developped than WAVES, but it's only a personnal opinion.
i can not agree more

My opinion is just like you. because Ethereum is mostly used by developers in terms of transactions, moreover Ethereum also supported many other coin in p...

Waves? LOL, waves token can't list on normal exchanges, starta is half of ico price, so do many other projects. Waves token is a pain like sasha Ivanov. The project is bad and useless.

ERC20 looks more developed than waves.
ecosystem is much better constructed

Both have good usability & different group.

I agree with you about can't list on normal exchanges just on waves dex it's too bad but I think waves will have more features on future and not useless again.

Did you create token in waves?
And if, which one?

I wouldn't at all say that it is bullshit, it just is less popular because Ethereum came first. But Ethereum is damned difficult to use unless you are a programmer.

ERC20 more preferable.

Eth has the clear market advantage with market cap and trust so I believe ERC20 but Waves is up and coming and I can see an easy 5x by the end of the year

Erc20 tokens using ethereum blockchain are more popular nowadays. But it doesnt mean that it will be like that forever. If i were you i would prefer waves that is going to be more useful in the future.

I would say that ERC-20 is way more better than Waves!

i think ERC20 tokens is better than waves tokens , even if ERC20 tokens have more higher fee then waves-base tokens

but there are so many successful project base on ERC20

I agree with this,
Today, ETH is a boom
But that does not mean forever
Waves is just starting
It only needs more awareness

You can create token in waves, but talking it as a bullshitcoin, so as etherum token!

Waves isn't bad
I don't know nothing about ERC20

As far as I know all altcoins are using the Ethereum infrastructure
It's difficult to build a new one and they may have a problem of trust

It seems like there's a lot of agreement in ERC20 over waves.  I don't think I really saw any positive arguments for waves at all.  Does it have any advantages over ERC20?

Thank you everyone, you have convinced me.

ERC-20 is better than waves platform. Waves is very limited, Erc 20 has been used by most ICO developers.

Ethereum has existed for considerably longer than Waves.

But if Waves comes out with a simple to use GUI for token and smart contract creation it could trounce ERC20 easily.

There is a token called Encryptotel that issued a token that works on both ethereum and waves. ETT is a long term investment and had lots of trouble with their ICO but it did enable them to garner lots of free press.

How is that supposed to work? Did they just create one Waves and one ERC20 token each?

Waves platform is better than current ethereum blockchain. Wavesdex features can surplus ethereum features but russian owners of waves platform should  increase the speed of development before some other projects release similar product.

So I am doing the research now, looking at Bittrex API and MEW API for the wallet. Is the is right direction? Just created a test erc-20 coin, very easy.

waves and erc20 (etherium) are both good platform but i mostly see project (ico) that is under on erc20.  i  also choose and prefer erc20 over waves due to the fact that they supports myetherwallet but on waves you need to download and use a separate  wallet which is a hassel for me because i mainly join bounty campaigns that requires a myetherwallet and most of my coins/tokens are under erc20 based.

waves platform is underdeveloped against ecr20 but has big potential , but the development is slow and the value of waves token in exchanges which is not stable is not a good sign either.  

It's possible that they are going to do a "bulk" release of updates instead of doing small updates. If that was the case there could be a massive pump. But I wouldn't hold my breath for it. After all, it has been a while since anything happened with Waves.

Of course Apla! Oops, too early ;)

We shouldn't even be comparing these platforms and protocols.  Comparing Ethereum to Waves is like a comparing a Ferrari to a Corvette.  There's a reason why they are different in market cap.  The community and development support is much larger with Ethereum.  The quality of projects are much better on Ethereum.  Waves offers little value other than easily creating tokens with no development experience and its decentralized exchange (which helps increase the volume of poor quality projects).  It doesn't support smart contracts and has been behind on it's development roadmap.

In crypto community, ethereum is more popular and uses for ethereum is diverse and the transaction on ethereum network everyday is increasing! Ethereum is favoured compare to waves. You might want give yourself a better chance at success on your project by using ethereum platform!

I would say that I'll go with ERC20 since there are a lot more people that use Ethereum than Waves. I've read a few arguments that there are a lot of trash and shitty tokens on waves, though comparing this to Ethereum there are also a lot of those kinds of tokens there. If however, you see that Waves is a lot more useful for your project, then why not? I think both of them have their flaws.

waves used very unaccustomed
Still prefer erc20

I think most of us would prefer ERC20 instead of waves because you can check yourself volume of trading on both platform then you can automatically understand which is the best among both. I have lots of coins on waves platform most of them are useless for me till now I don't know when they will move up very hardly we find buyers there and on the other hand if you check ERC20 support wallet you will find both seller & buyer in good numbers & If you notice that in the recent time most of the coins are launching on ERC20 support platform So I would suggest you to launch your coin on ERC20 support wallet rather then on Waves. Even I don't like to buy coins launching on waves platform its my personal opinion.

Waves is a bit new and I haven't seen any big player successful based on Wave network. Meanwhite, ERC20 is.

Ethereum assets systems better than wawes, erc20 tokens are easly listed on etherdelta which is rarely the case for waves coins. Most of us don't even hear about waves coins, it takes a place within the dex.

I suggest you should create an ERC20 token, based on ETH blockchain. It's better.

Thank you thank you - we have

https://etherscan.io/token/0x0712e1506f9bf1c66c8ba997ff1bf998a057d536?a=0xbe3a06503e40dc0704248ca774b84d8f060a216c

The replies in here were amazing, and really helped.

I would choose your place Waves. Just as Ethereum is developing and becoming more and more popular. Following the market I am able to infer that it is very prosperous and is an option.

I think ERC20 its good platform than Waves. So, I suggest you better create a token on the ERC20 platform. Waves is so easy to noob.
Think again..

Honestly I'm a pretty big fan of waves and can see it's potential so I would go with Waves

Waves is still in development. They've got a new platform in the workings for their DEX and wallet, as well as smart contracts.

Both vary at some point, with erc20 now lot of ico projects have got into existence and has become successful. With waves its like an infantry, very few has got developed based on the platform, so it's in a level to prove itself about the growth and the market.

I am a Waves fan bit it is not developed enough to compete with Ethereum platform just as yet.. As long as ETH does good with it's developments it will still remain a better option for tokenization

I'm also a fun of WAVES but i'm agree whit him because right now WAVES is not ready enough to compete whit Ethereum. Just a few years

Waves's smart contracts were not presented yet. It's still under development as you said above. When it's ready, the waves tokens will be the enemies of ERC20 tokens of ethereum platform. Not so far away, in 2018.

The have made and missed promises in their roadmap this year.  Considering the lack of development, a smaller developer community, and lack of quality projects, I would avoid Waves.

ERC20 tokens are most favourite nowadays because all new ICOs using these tokens but some ICOs using wave platform but it is not favourite of the market.

Yes waves is easy to use  but not many favor them. It is new and still in the process of development. Erc20 is prefferred and trusted by many. Most of the icos that are under this platform have become successful that's why many trust eth.

In what I experienced tokens that are based on waves platform aren't not that promising and sometimes turned out to shitcoins so whenever I encountered ICO that are waves based I stay away myself like maybe I just didn't trust enough its platform and the fact it's no match in ethereum platform as it supports many tokens that making their name in the market.

ERC20 without a doubt.
If you are serious over your project, you may consider ERC20 over WAVES anytime.
WAVES is still unpopular and because of the ease of API, a lot of worthless tokens are created there which are not even worth pennies, PUBLIC prefer ERC20 and you must too.  ;D

All the very best.

ERC20 is better than waves. If you see cmc, then you can get a clarity that all the ERC20 coins have better place than waves platform coins.

ERC20 is more popular now than Waves, but Waves development is going fast and we will see what they offer us.

Waves is simply a copy cat of ethereum.And is a failure project compare to ethereum.I dont like waves

Waves are not good.I like ERC20. Ethereum platform has many users and have good future.Waves I think will die in the future.

Personally I dont like projects created on waves.They are easy to create,which makes projects suspecious and they eventually turns out to be scam.

Create ERc20 token. It has many advantage, many tutorial. Waves token still hard to create now, you must be really good to create Wave token.

Anytime i will always go for ERC20, wave supported tokens isn't as popular as ERC20 very easy to use. I got a wave token don't know what to do with it till this moment.

It does seem like that is bound to change in the near future though. Waves coming out with a new platform soon, if done right that could be a game changer.

From all of these posts and their slack/ telegram channels, It seems like something big is coming.

All I can think about is the movie the Aviator, the final scene, where he goes crazy and keeps saying "way of the future"

WAVES OF THE FUTURE

tokens based Waves are less popular than tokens based ETH. I once got some token base waves from airdrop which until now has no value. Different with ERC20, most of them stay alive.

The downside is there's only a few people that use waves dex, people prefer erc 20 because there's so a lot of token that is using it and easy to use. They also have dex (ether delta) and the volume overthere way more than dex. The only popular waves token that i can think of is strata, incent and mobile go and they are popular because they held ico.

I think ERC20 then waves.Most popular Ethereum wallets.ERC20 investing more than waves.However, the popularity of the waves will gradually increase.So my opinion is that ERC20 best for creating token.

Yeah, but i think Wave have some good point for create token. First and important, Wave price too low.Second, they have good support team for create token.

both are nice project

invest in both   ;D ;D ;D

The noise has definitely been ramping up quite a bit. Very curious what will happen now with the new exchange being tested already.

Both technologies are stable and strong, each with its own specifics. And each will have its own niche in the future, where it will develop as a leader. The etherium has great odds and resources, but Waves has made its way

They largely serve the same niche, except that Waves serves the decentralized exchanges market on top of that. If Waves can provide a more efficient platform and a decentralized exchange, it could easily surpass Ethereum.

I will go with Ethereum, I think most developers will go with Ethereum. I think waves are not compared to the stability and trust of ethereum erc20

I don't know what stability you are talking about, but it can't be about the stability of the platform because that would be wrong.

And trust in ERC20 might get shattered if third party provides keep screwing up (Parity). Waves will also be the superior platform if they actually tick off their roadmap goals.

When you use wave for your project there will be  low patronage of that project compare to a project that is using MEW. The traffic in wave is so low that you can not compare it with Ether 's ERC20 wallet. Just check out and confirm that about 85%  or more of all ICO are coming out with MEW.

I will always go for ERC20 itself easy to use doing transaction on it.

Better go for an ERC20 coin. You will get a lot of support here specially when it is an airdrop.  ;D Just kidding.
Since I started here in the altcoin section I find it much used is the Ethereum based tokens. I dont see much under the Waves development. Maybe it is also because of the popularity. Waves is still young and got a lot of room to grow for now.

from my experience Waves have terrible exchange system and this is bad. On ETH you pnD any token and it works while  Waves is bugging itself.
I don't know if waves will have so bright future like ETH.

new dex coming this month ! DONT FORGET TO INVEST

 gonna surprise all of us when we see them in TOP Smiley

FORBES WRITING ABOUT WAVES: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2017/11/08/waves-set-to-become-fastest-decentralized-blockchain-platform-globally/#41e089ac38b6     NG waves

https://twitter.com/wavesplatform?lang=en

check test https://waves-ng.wavesplatform.com/#stress-test


Waves Decentralised Exchange 2.0 (DEX) Beta is going live. - November 20th.

2018- Multi signature and smart contracts too..,

I vote for ERC20, I trust Ethereum,  I think it is proven to be very stable!
Also most developers prefer it, I don't think for no reason.

The reason is simply that it came much earlier. As time passes that reason will no longer be a relevant factor.

I think Waves will gain popularity and influence in near future. So my vote is for Waves.

Only ERC-20. For one simple reason - because the ERC-20 are much easier to add to the  exchange.

ERC20 is supported almost all the exchange waves is still not popular like ERC20
maybe it will become popular in the future but as of now it will be hard just to add it in some exchange

I've always been confused about Waves platform, so I'll go for ERC since its really user friendly and has more features, plus its way beyond recogniseable amongst the community.

ERC20 is more popular method.Every investor like this method.So It's better then waves.Because I think many trader do not know about waves platform method still now.But Easily to use ERC20 platform method.

The Forbes article makes me want to continue to develop with waves. I know ERC20 is popular now. Man I am torn. I pulled my developer off waves and moved to ERC20 about 2 weeks ago, but now I am having second thoughts.

I would go with Waves for so many reasons.

But honestly, I doubt you can do anything wrong with either as long as your project is good.

Now somehow the whole crypt in one niche, I was talking about a trend that is already visible, the ether and Waves go their own way in the future

Waves has more potential then ERC20.
They have NG and they are going to release smart contracts soon. Then don't forget new dex which is really looking nice.

waves token have no real value in sight of users.

If you take notice on the current tokens created during ICOs, lots of them are  choosing ethereum based. Lots of exchange for this one and wallets to. There are good reasons why most ICOs prefer erc20 rather than pos/pow or waves.

only now, see for the some future...

this does not seem to matter the most important of the coin / tokens it is how we keep it so it still applies in the market that we have listed.

Since eth value were much stable than other alts, developers tend to trust it more to secure that it will not affect the volatility of value too much,especially if ico will run for long, in more than a months or so on ,and it will be hard to predict the value of waves unlike eth that didn't move too much to increase or decrease.

I'd prefer ERC20 based wallet.  I also have waves but until now, i can't get use to it.  Let's say ERC20 has a friendly user interface rather than waves. Not to mention, many company recommend ERC20.

This is more of your preference but I think ERC20 is better than WAVES.

Waves has a bright future
The token that can be create in waves will be dependent of how large is the community adaption! Waves is just starting and its promising, and most people will recommend to the most famous, the erc20

But I will go for waves!

This has nothing to do with preferences. Based on the current roadmaps the Waves platform will be vastly superior to ERC20 in the future.

erc20 is better because ethereum has a huge environment and already has name while waves is just starting but it has good potential too.

Erc20 has no value same as waves token, it is both token!

I prefer ERC20 based token rather than waves based token.firstly waves is less popular compare to ERC20.Most of people like to buy token from etherbased  token.Infact they are more confident to buy from ether based token.So that's why i will choose ERC20 to make my token more popular.

i hope someday ERC20 will also have the same platform as waves wallet. which has a DEX.. for basis of making tokens erc20 for now

I recommend waves as it is fast and you do not have to wait to download blockchain.

same here, I also prefer ERC20 based tokens as popularity wise it is much wider.

I also prefer ERC20 based token and I use myetherwallet to store those tokens. I agree with popularity part. As it is more popular, most of my tokens are in my mew wallets.

The waves platform asset was garbage there is so many waves asset that can be considered as dead coin and many people are interested in using the ethereum rather than waves itself.
A lot of the waves project becomes fail

I think Waves better than Erc20
The processing speed of Waves is almost the same as that of Eth
I think this is a perfect event

Projects failing or not has nothing to do with the platform they are created on.

There are far more dead/shitty ERC20 coins than Waves coins, simply because the platform existed for far longer.

I think, ERC20 is better then waves.Because If you look present ICOs market then see that many ICOs use ERC20 platform.So I suggest  If you make a new token then use ERC20.Many buyer know it's better.

Just because many people use something doesn't mean it's better. By that logic China and India would be the greatest countries in the world to live in and pop music would be good.

ERC20 is a lot better than waves...  The simplicity and the confidentiality of the platform is very good

I guess every sane person would pick erc20 to wave any time. Why? It is well established now, a lot of things are happening around it and there is a living ecosystem the is keeping the whole thing active and progressing. But lets not forget that those who are considered insane, are the ones who really push us a society forward.

Hi,

Can someone explain why ERC20 has so little Cap and Waves grew that much?

For what Ive read about, ERC20 tokens are better.

Why not that many people are supporting erc20?

In my personal preference, I want erc20 more than ethereum. From my experience, buyers and sellers in waves is lesser than what we have in ethereum (etherdelta for example) so its easier to trade token to token in it than on wavesdex.

I am less familiar of ERC20 and waves to see me also did not follow its development so that I also do not know which are the most excellent, so we'd better make sure the first which is the best

Thank you I tell you that sharing my experiences become more understand about coins ERC20 and waves, so I could observe the coin, hopefully I give the opportunity to have the coin ERC20

I participated only in 1 ICO in Waves and don`t want anymore...There are no trades. If you fail with getting to big exchange, your coin will not survive.

The time waves have not yet arrived ,but I think this is the future , And they will take their place in the world of cryptocurrency

Waves Platform is not popular today, dex (or other waves-exchanges) HASN`T TRADES and MONEY. The WAVES market is still undervalued and small, I'm sure that it will soon shoot to the MOON.

Waves is still ramping up. By the end of 2018 whoever hasn't jumped on will be regretting it. The leasing returns will be quite significant by that time too.

It's now mid-2018.  Has Waves become better than ERC20?  Any views?

Half a year has already passed, and wawes do not have any serious progress in "capturing" the market. Everything is still based on the ERC20. I think that this will happen in the near future.

well, for now most people will use ERC20. well, that I conclude based on my experience so far. people or big companies prefer to use ERC20 in comparison with waves in terms of fundraising.

ERC20  token on ethereum platform has definitely dwarf the growth and the appearance of Waves token. More than 90%  project is been initiated and concluded on ethereum platform using ERC20 as a token for projects! And is it is, this development appears not to slow down that is why ether the currency of ethereum will remain valuable in the market!

I prefer ERC20 because I assure you every trader or everyone know crypto world must have and use a ERC20 wallet especially airdrop hunter or bounty hunter.People or big companies prefer to use ERC20 in comparison with waves in terms of fundraising.More than 90%  project is been initiated and concluded on ethereum platform using ERC20 as a token for projects!

Waves has lower fees to send, ETH is still a lot better known though.

Waves is actually a good platform and its getting improvements. One token I like in waves is Organic Token and it's getting quite a traction. The network is faster and transactions cost only 0.001 waves. Not to mention, they also have their own integrated exchange.

both of are important for the decrypting currency platform. Now there are many iCo projects with erc20 and it was successful. they are constantly improving themselves and the number of used areas is increasing. this is the ERC20 recommendation.

I think ethereum is better enough than waves, if you compare their 24 hours volume in marketcap, you can conclude that it is better to invest in ethereum than waves. And there are so many other tokens and companies that having contract with ethereum's platforms. Ethereum is in top 10 ranking in coinmarketcap while waves is top 10 and up.

In my opinion, I prefer the ERC20. The ERC20 platform grows stronger and has more users.

i don't really like wave platform because any on waves platform doesn't give a good income, i have so many token on wave wallet yet non have been listed on any exchange. so ether is the best platform to use. most of the ICO's are ethereum based address and secondly in chinese they do pays there workers directly to ether.

Similar comparisons are not the first time I meet on the forum, what do you want to get such a comparison? It's obvious that ERC-20 today has smart contracts for Solidity and Waves does not have anything today.

I would always prefer Erc-20 network over waves. One is that I have not really got any chance or reason to use Waves network so far. Well, I know it is just coming up a little bit behind ETH. Even Neo is far ahead of waves.

Waves are far from ETH. I haven't even seen a valuable token on waves. Most of the tokens on waves are worthless, and waves are not as stable as ETH. The price of waves always fluctuates sharply.

ERC20 tokens have not anything different from Waves token. But this tokens are more popular because of ICO are on the ETH platform. I don't have any definitive against Waves. But simply I don't like this coin

They are both crypto but when it comes to feature ERC20 is way more better than waves and thats what people do see when it comes to difference and the price itself would speak regarding on their gap and popularity.

Not so much coins do make use of Waves platform and the market do speak out and seeing most of them do make use of ERC20, sometimes im getting pissed out on project do lunch using erc20 i do really like to see other platforms too.

I would rather prefer the ERC 20, as they are more common now, as well as more robust in terms of transactions.

Both ERC20 and wave wallet are save but i will prefer the use of ERC20 wallet than the use of wave wallet, though both are commonly known but ERC20 wallet is preferable.

I do not think that WAVES will become a very popular platform for creating new tokens. It seems to me that the ERC20 is much more popular at the moment.

I think erc20 is preferable. Ethereum has a lot more users. Because the ecosystem around it is way more developped than WAVES.

No I do not think that waves is better than Erc20 even in the mid of 2018. Erc20 is much more better than waves platform. The waves developers are not doing much to develop their platform more to make it more preferable for the developers of the projects. It also becomes hard for listing this coin on exchanges.

Actually, waves also have a very great technology likely the ERC20. Waves are also easy to use for transaction and circulation. However, most ICOs use ERC 20 for their system. More use this. Therefore, it is probably that ERC is more popular and familiar. Many people prefer to the familiar thing to make it simpler. However, it doesn't mean that waves is not preferable. You can use this platform also for your system.

this does not seem to matter the most important of the coin / tokens it is how we keep it so it still applies in the market that we have listed.

Waves platform is however easier to use?

In my experience every waves token I earned doing bounty has revealed totally useless and with nearly 0 liquidity... so if I were you I would choose ERC20.

ERC 20 is still over, here is my comment.

Thought that Waves would become a new trend.  What a shame...

If you could still reconsider, I would like to tell you to go for Ethereum based instead of the Waves platform. Reason is that Ethereum platform is widely accepted, popular than that of Waves platform. If you could still have your way, then try to consider Ethereum based in order for your coin to gain popularity as quick as possible.

I believe in the team of Waves and his ecosystem. But there is still no necessary support to enter the international level.

As I see it Waves usually results the system of choice for too many unreliable token launches seeking a reduced new token setup.

With wave platform so easy to make a new token and so many scam bounty airdrop was using that. Erc token can build Dapp,. now you can see what better.

I've used Waves in an ICO before (it failed, probably not the fault of Waves.) My experience has been that total noobs, I mean people with zero crypto background, can easily be taught to set up a waves wallet and seem very willing to do so and waves is just so dang cheap in an airdrop.  The prior discussions about lack of exchange adaption is very scary though.  That could be a deal killer.  On the other hand, it would be so easy to establish a market for noobs on the Waves Dex.  I'm getting ready to try another ICO, I wonder how the transaction costs compare too? 

I incline toward ERC20 based token as opposed to waves based token.firstly waves is less well known contrast with ERC20.Most of individuals jump at the chance to purchase token from etherbased token.Infact they are more sure to purchase from ether based token.So that is the reason I will pick ERC20 to make my token more mainstream.

Let's try EC20 this time.  And wish you success in the next ICO!

By the way what is the main reason you think why it failed last time?

tokens based Waves are less mainstream than tokens based ETH. I once got some token base waves from airdrop which up to this point has no esteem. Distinctive with ERC20, a large portion of them remain alive.

Both shift eventually, with erc20 now part of ico ventures have into reality and has turned out to be fruitful. With waves its like an infantry, not very many has created in light of the stage, so it's in a level to substantiate itself about the development and the market.

WAVES has become inadequate save supporting suspicious proposals. A integral revamp of the proposal may be required.

I think ERC20 then waves.Most well known Ethereum wallets.ERC20 contributing more than waves.However, the prevalence of the waves will step by step increase.So my supposition is that ERC20 best to create token.

ERC20 is still preferable to wave, they're a lot of shit coin on wave and it might after your project so its better you go for ERC20.

The two innovations are steady and solid, each with its own particular specifics. What's more, each will have its own particular specialty later on, where it will create as a pioneer. The etherium has awesome chances and assets, however Waves has advanced

When it comes to creating a coin basing into between platforms then theres no doubt that erc20 and waves tokens can create easily and anyone can simply done such thing but the difference among the two is on the feature and the community do prefer to engage with smart contracts and this is why erc20 tokens becomes popular and its already clear that the entire market is full of shit erc20 coins.

Personally I will recommend Neo instead, their low fees, seemless platform and ease of transactions is something I appreciate

These are different platforms, different history, different organization and tasks. The ether is the dominant position in the market, the waves are good and they can be taken in the long run, as the development of the project will pull and the price, that is small, which will be supported by the fall. But in any case, this is a conversation of several years, not a couple of months

I think the tokens which are on the platform of ethereum are more preferable than the tokens which are on other platforms. In my opinion, it is extremely hard that an another platform can surpass the popularity of the platform of ethereum.

it is always good that you do your own research since you will find your own results and form your own opinion i prefer to use waves for new assets since they are very cheap, the fee for creating process is only 1 Waves, they're very easy and fast. A few minutes and your cryptocurrency is ready for trades, mass transfers etc and usually all tokens based on Waves standard are tradable on our DEX by default, they have very low fee for transfers, including mass transfers, so if you want to make smth like airdrop, then it will be much cheaper than on Ethereum standard.

ERC-20 is more preferable in the real time for me, waves are not so convincing and confident on the cryptocurrency market, but it could be in the top.

there are so many wallets but for me I'll choose ERC20 because we know it's more wallet and it's easier to use even if he accepts any tokens. so it's best to use ERC20

In a simple term ERC20 is like Bitcoin while WAVE is like any other crypto, yes ERC20 is more acceptable and compactable, i will always go for it maybe with time i shall see more benefit of WAVE

Waves is continuously growing. In fact, I have some tokens in my wallet that using waves platform. But still I aware more in using ethereum as it is my first known altcoin and power house of smart contracts. Ethereum convinced me the way it is usable and many tokens are preferred to be alligned with ethereum blockchain.

ERC20 vs Waves battle ends soon (Q4 ?).
With atomic swap on Waves you'll able to swap from ERC20 to Waves and back.

ERC20 token on ethereum stage has unquestionably overshadow the development and the presence of Waves token. Over 90% task is been started and finished up on ethereum stage utilizing ERC20 as a token for ventures! What's more, is it is, this advancement shows up not to back off that is the reason ether the cash of ethereum will stay profitable in the market!

Both good coins. Although I personally like ERC20. But I think your ERC20 and waves should be invested in both. Because the future of 2 coins is very good. I hope these developments will grow very well in the future.

waves is the initial amount to be funded whilst making coin switch , it wishes 30 USD to buy waves before you may do waves based on totally tokens transactions, in contrast to erc20- ethereum based totally token, it only want at the least .01ETH or three Usd to make token transaction as for gas processing, and it simplest wishes .001 ETH to filled-up that gasoline to make token transfer, however, that .001 is largely sufficient for the fuel it can make more than a hundred token transactions not like waves, each token transactions want .001 waves which more luxurious to all.

Wow, great feedback. Nice to see this is still going. We did build on Waves, and found it hard to raise capital. We created a mobile private key wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cryptocashhub.concierge&hl=en_US (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cryptocashhub.concierge&hl=en_US) and a point of sale which allows for the purchase of normal goods and services with crypto. We found it easy to build off the api with provided documentation and eventually migrated to our own Mainnet. Would love for feedback on the app. Thanks again for all the info.

You can easily create on ethereum and migrate to any other blockchains later, instead of waves i would have preferred stellar...

I can't make the decision, each of them is good for me and I like them, but to be honest waves are more active and promising for the real time on the market.

For me erc20 because i like and it has more users but no doubt waves is good and i might choose waves in near future when waves developments will do very well in the future.

Erc20  token on ethereum platform beats waves simplistic platform down many times over. The volume and amount of project based on erc20 is so high and cryptocurrency gas been made lively and new money have come in because of ethereum.

Whether you want to use ERC20 or wave or even EOS or NEO to issue your token, the most important thing is the role of your token. If you don't have a good use, then what you use is not important. Of course, ERC20 is definitely better than waves.

ERC20 uniquely stronger than the waves. I do not remember projects on the basis of waves that later successfully ended. Although now on etherium projects also do not really shine. P.s. to comparison, you can also add NEO.

I think ERC20 is good blockchain. currently, there is a richer coin ETH based in the crypto market. Therefore, I approve the ERC20.

Waves is far behind with erc20 so far. At the moment, it is the most popular platform that meets the requirements of all users. Most of the successful projects are created on eth platform.

in my opinion, ERC20 is the Best than Waves. Because all the new tokens are to be taken in all ERC20. More Token Bbounty's are available in ERC20 from Comparative Waves.

I believe that the erc 20 is superior, but again in my opinion, someone will not agree with me, but I do not want to no longer have to join, I am quite satisfied with everything.

Waves very early to compete with Ethereum. At first, having started well, the waves stopped a little, but they put back the lost time. But they still do not threaten the positions of Ethereum.

Now ERC20 has 1684 (star) and other side waves has 37 (star).ERC20 Index is a tokenized index of cryptocurrency which tracks and invests in the 20-top ERC20 tokens. Weekly, profits are distributed in Ether between the top-20 holders of a ERC20 token.Waves is a custom blockchain tokens platform designed for large-scale business and consumer adoption. Waves was created to make the benefits of blockchain technology accessible to ordinary businesses and end users.

I think ETHERum still has more users, the technology of etherum brings more convenience and especially smart technology is convenient and safe.

I think the ERC 20 system is more developed than the waves platform. so I prefer this. Maybe it may change in the future, but I chose it from now on. Everybody gets lots of money.

It is much more easier and cost efficient to create waves based token. At the same time ERC-20 based token is more common and will attract wide audience.
Don't hesitate to create erc-20 token, because waves doesn't perform.

For me , the ERC 20 is far superior to everything else, and I choose it against others. He has a lot more supporters today than the waves and it is more in demand , developed and popular than all the other systems .

Waves is good platform. May be it is not so famous as ETH but it is worth to have a look on Waves

Actually, waves also have a very great technology likely the ERC20. Waves are also easy to use for transaction and circulation. However, most ICOs use ERC 20 for their system. More use this. Therefore, it is probably that ERC is more popular and familiar. Many people prefer to the familiar thing to make it simpler. However, it doesn't mean that waves is not preferable. You can use this platform also for your system.

These two types of coin base are veyr popular with its upside condition. ERC20 is the most used platform for transaction and ICO project. This Ethereum based platform allows the projects to promote their tokens or coins interestingly. In fact, although waves actually also have a very potential platform, ERC-20 is still the most interested.

Unfortunately ERC20 is on ETH which has capacity problems & expensive transactions. So if your use-case needs speed and low cost then go with Waves. The platform as a whole is far more advanced and more safe than Ethereum.

My personal opinion about this coin oftentimes becomes the system preferred for far too many unclear launching events as a result of its popularly priced token sales.

ERC20 is more preferable here, but I like Waves as well because of its increasing value and its volumes are quite promising here as well. And despite on it, ERC20 is stronger.

ERC 20 and waves two good platforms to get tokens but I like ERC 20 it I like it prefer .

The main reason is not about the comparison of scalability between both of the project but i must tell you about the real reason about that. Can you prove it if the waves is more secure tha ethereum platform? there was so many bugs and you must try to do audit to the waves platform. The adoption and demand is the main reason why a lot of people are choosing ethereum.

A lot of coins has been developed on ERC-20 and this has made the eth network too slow and being clogged at most of the times. Choose waves as it will be comparatively faster for transactions and low fees.

For many people will be more easy to accept and use Ethereum tokens. Because currently Ethereum platform is more used, and why? Because it is so easy and it will be hard for many people to learn how to use another platform.

But all that things will become useless if no on use it, it's what happened to waves. On the other hand, Ethereum still popular and people will keeps using Ethereum and ERC20 token, and so many ICOs and project using ERC20 right now, rarely use waves and I rarely saw a token based on waves listed on exchange.

I think choosing WAVES as your basis for the coin is a wise choice. Waves will provide a KYC / AML compliant platform with the cooperation of many banks that will act as portals. in for deposits and withdrawals.

In my opinion, ETH looks much more preferable than WAVES, if only because a huge number of tokens are created daily on the Ethereum platform. Many of them are quite promising. And in general, Vitalik Buterin's platform is the number two crypto-currency in the world, which is already a huge plus.

I prefer Ethereum than Waves, because it is easy to get ethereum based token to get popular almost 90% of Ico or companies prefer Ethereum than Waves although it's much easier to create a token on waves platform than a smart contract and anyone can do it on Waves.

ERC-20 Better and more proven than the waves platform which in my opinion is rarely seen as successful. many people say on the platform there are only shit coins made.

ERC 20 is where I am popular with. It is the most preferable than waves, well developed and friendly for all users where we are familiar with the functions. Many projects are supported by it so it proved for being developed successfully and can be trusted platform where to keep tokens. Waves is not that popular in the market just during the time it first implemented.

you better choose ERC20 because ERC20 is a lot of enthusiasts and all of that is good for the continuity of the project that you are working on.
if you choose WAVES it is good too but maybe the applicant is lacking, and that does not guarantee the future of the token you made.

WAVES is still useless if not for shielding unclear proposals. A entire refurbishment of the proposal would be called for.

If I'm not mistaken the wave tokens are based on a platform similar to ETH, but I think they are paid with waves instead of gas or eth, so the fees are much higher, this is good because the projects tend to be much more solid, as many scams will go away because that initial fee.

I am more confident with ERC20-based coins than waves, my tendency to take an opinion like this based on the experience of getting paid bounty with platform-based coins waves and not appearing in exchange while at erc20 I always get an exchange to sell it

I lean toward ERC20 based token as opposed to waves based token. Firstly waves is less famous contrast with ERC20. Most of individuals get a kick out of the chance to purchase token from etherbased token. In fact they are more certain to purchase from ether based token. So that is the reason I will pick ERC20 to make my token more well known.

Maybe as today waves improve a lot of things an features in their system but in terms of securities and easiest way to use people will still go for the ERC20 not just because they are more popular than Waves platform but there are great things and cheaper transaction on ERC20 even they are same that good even for Ethereum they are preferred to used ERC20 using gas and instead of waves platform that use waves.

I can say that both owners are from Russia)) that's where the minds are growing) and so if you choose, the broadcast is more spread out!

Both is greadt, but still ethereum win because ethereum have many community than waves, and many token ICO using ethereum platform. But from techonoly i choose waves because the transaction so fast, also fee so cheap. Maybe now ethereum still win but in the future i also trust waves have bright future

ERC20 is the most popular platform as I can see from statistics and common amount of news and discussions. I like this one and I hope that it will be developed larger and deepper because it is really good potential with its volumes. Waves are promising as well but people trust to ERC20 more I suppose.