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[18:51] <jwest411_> hi
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[18:51] <Kruniac> Sup.
[18:51] <BCB> so what is going on
[18:51] <BCB> thee are rumers you are scamming asicminor shares
[18:51] <Kruniac> I'm aware. There's a thread about it.
[18:51] <BCB> you showed up on a scammer list
[18:51] <BCB> what's up
[18:51] <Kruniac> What list?
[18:52] <BCB> tomatocage's list
[18:52] <Kruniac> I only know of a thread someone made.
[18:52] <Kruniac> I don't know what that is.
[18:53] <Kruniac> Asking me what's going on (or anyone asking me what's going on) is moot. Friedcat is the only guy who can clear this up.
[18:53] <jwest411_> so friedcat said to me i got my share, but then told other ppl the share was gone
[18:53] <Kruniac> In fact, I'm still missing escrow money because he hasn't communicated transfers.
[18:53] <Kruniac> Okay, and that's impossible.
[18:54] <Kruniac> Provide a screenshot of the message from Friedcat, please.
[18:54] <jwest411_>  If you have time, id love to know that he controls this share. if you're too busy, just knowing he sent you the following message will suffice.     Kruniac Jr. Member   Online  Posts: 33       Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0) Copy of PM to: Friedcat « Sent to: jwest411 on: June 07, 2013, 01:10:09 AM » Quote  Reply  Delete   -------------- My username is Kruniac (As you can see), controlling Bitcoin address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz I received one (1) share of ASICMin
[18:54] <BCB> is friedcat on irc
[18:54] <Kruniac> No.
[18:54] <Kruniac> No to BC.
[18:54] <Kruniac> BCB*
[18:54] <Kruniac> And no to that copy pasta.
[18:55] <Kruniac> I can do that and say I'm Obama.
[18:55] <Kruniac> SCREENSHOT the message.
[18:55] <jwest411_> how do i send a screenshot here
[18:56] <Kruniac> Use Imgurl or something
[18:56] <BCB> imgur.com
[18:56] <Kruniac> There you go.
[18:56] <jwest411_> http://imgur.com/VIUuAgO
[18:57] <Kruniac> That's a screenshot of a message from me.
[18:57] <Kruniac> Where is the message from Friedcat.
[18:57] <jwest411_> k i scroll down and take another
[18:57] <Kruniac> All I want to see is Friedcat's message.
[18:57] <BCB> Kruniac, you also using NICK: Boelens
[18:57] <BCB> ??
[18:57] <Kruniac> No.
[18:58] <Kruniac> I don't know that Nick.
[18:58] <Kruniac> IRC?
[18:58] <BCB> no
[18:58] <BCB> BCT
[18:58] <Kruniac> Okay.
[18:58] <jwest411_> http://imgur.com/6osnHio
[18:59] <Kruniac> Jwest. Come on, man.
[18:59] <Kruniac> Stop messing around.
[18:59] <jwest411_> ???
[18:59] <Kruniac> Did you notice that I CANNOT SEE THE USERNAME in that picture?
[19:00] <jwest411_> jesus christ
[19:00] <jwest411_> its the same message
[19:00] <jwest411_> OKAY ill shrink it and resend
[19:00] <Kruniac> No. It's fine.
[19:00] <Kruniac> You're right. Absolutely right.
[19:00] <Kruniac> Friedcat did send it, I guess.
[19:01] <Kruniac> That honestly doesn't add up.
[19:01] <BCB> so what is the situation
[19:01] <jwest411_> so friedcat sent a share to me
[19:01] <jwest411_> other ppl said to kruniac hey wheres my share?
[19:01] <Kruniac> The situation is that Friedcat sent a share to JWest. He should not have sent that share.
[19:01] <jwest411_> no
[19:02] <jwest411_> i bought a share from you
[19:02] <jwest411_> friedcat sent that share to me
[19:02] <Kruniac> You're not seeing the bigger picture.
[19:02] <Kruniac> Why did he send you that share?
[19:02] <jwest411_> because you PMed him to!
[19:02] <Kruniac> No, I didn't.
[19:02] <Kruniac> See. That's the rub.
[19:02] <jwest411_> look at the message you sent
[19:02] <jwest411_> in the screenshot
[19:02] <jwest411_> you do all the info
[19:02] <jwest411_> then other ppl are saying hey you promised me a share too
[19:03] <Kruniac> I have exactly two messages I've ever sent to Friedcat.
[19:03] <Kruniac> One was a transfer to methax.
[19:03] <Kruniac> The other was to ask about that transfer.
[19:03] <jwest411_> so then you lied and told me you sent that to friedcat?
[19:03] <jwest411_> bc in the quote in that screenshot is a quote of a message you sent me
[19:03] <jwest411_> signed with your key and stuff
[19:03] <Kruniac> Let's say that I did. I want to know exactly HOW you got that share.
[19:03] <Kruniac> Because it can't be that easy to fake a request.
[19:03] <Kruniac> The message I sent to YOU doesn't matter.
[19:04] <jwest411_> so are you saying you didnt sell me a share?
[19:04] <Kruniac> I'm really wondering why Friedcat transferred a share to someone that I did not message him about.
[19:04] <jwest411_> kruniac are you saying you didnt sell me a share?
[19:04] <Kruniac> No, I sold you a share. There's no doubt about that.
[19:05] <jwest411_> so whats the problem?
[19:05] <Kruniac> I did not message Friedcat transferring your share.
[19:05] <Kruniac> You must have taken it upon yourself.
[19:06] <Kruniac> That's the problem.
[19:06] <jwest411_> you provided me the info for friedcat to xfer the share. HOWEVER the issue at hand is other ppl say that you provided to sell them shares as well, and you only owned the share you sold to me
[19:06] <Kruniac> No. The ISSUE is that a share got "legitimately" transferred to you when I didn't transfer it to you.
[19:06] <Kruniac> That's the ISSUE.
[19:07] <BCB> Kruniac, how many Shares do you own
[19:07] <Kruniac> Zero.
[19:07] <Kruniac> I own zero shares.
[19:07] <BCB> Kruniac, how many did you sell
[19:07] <Kruniac> I don't even know. Legitimately or illegitimately?
[19:07] <BCB> so you did sell shares you did not own??
[19:08] <Kruniac> Yeah, sure. We've all figured that out by now.
[19:08] <Kruniac> My problem is that Jwest used some assurance or promise and somehow gained control of a share.
[19:08] <Kruniac> I sold one share to Methax.
[19:08] <Kruniac> That's legitimate.
[19:08] <BCB> so how many share did you sell that you did not own
[19:08] <Kruniac> Just an obscene amount. About 50 BTC worth
[19:08] <Kruniac> Again, we're not addressing this Jwest situation
[19:09] <Kruniac> Jwest411 - you can imagine my surprise by your "ownership" since I never send a message to Friedcat.
[19:09] <Kruniac> I mean, you can understand how I'm amazed by it.
[19:10] <BCB> Kruniac, so who do you still owe shares to??
[19:10] <Kruniac> God only knows. That's not what I'm talking about.
[19:10] <Kruniac> I want to know how he got that damn share.
[19:10] <BCB> jwest411_, how did you get that share
[19:10] <Kruniac> So what is this, are you scamming a scammer? That makes it okay?
[19:11] <BCB> jwest411_, did you buy it from Kruniac
[19:11] <Kruniac> Because you're not scamming me. You're scamming methax.
[19:11] <jwest411_> ya i agreed to
[19:11] <jwest411_> and paid him
[19:11] <Kruniac> He did do that.
[19:11] <jwest411_> and he sent me that message he sent friedcat
[19:11] <Kruniac> I'm not disputing that.
[19:11] <jwest411_> which he apparently never sent to friedcat
[19:11] <Kruniac> That's my exact point.
[19:11] <BCB> jwest411_, does Kruniac still owe you a share
[19:11] <Kruniac> I never sent friedcat shit.
[19:11] <Kruniac> So HOW did you get that share?
[19:11] <jwest411_> no i dont believe so
[19:11] <jwest411_> i beleive i was the lucky one who got the share
[19:12] <jwest411_> based on friedcats response to me
[19:12] <Kruniac> And that's bullshit.
[19:12] <Kruniac> Because Methax is supposed to have it.
[19:12] <jwest411_> its bullshit you didnt scam me?
[19:12] <Kruniac> I traded with Methax FIRST. I sent his request FIRST.
[19:12] <Kruniac> June 05, 2013, 06:32:15 AM
[19:12] <BCB> is methax on irc
[19:12] <jwest411_> so you scammed 50 btc
[19:12] <Kruniac> Not at all. He's a forum guy.
[19:12] <jwest411_> and youre pissed the wrong person got the 1 share?
[19:12] <Kruniac> This isn't about me scamming. We all have it clear about that.
[19:13] <Kruniac> This is about you faking a transfer and/or Friedcat believing it.
[19:13] <jwest411_> i dont get it
[19:13] <Kruniac> I NEVER sent you a message.
[19:13] <Kruniac> Er.
[19:13] <Kruniac> Friedcat*
[19:13] <jwest411_> why do you want methax to get it and not me btw? why do you care?
[19:13] <Kruniac> Here. You want to bring legit BCB into it?
[19:13] <Kruniac> Here is my official statement.
[19:14] <Kruniac> I sold one (1) share of ASICMiner (direct) that I bought to user: methax
[19:14] <jwest411_> why do you want methix to get it and not me?
[19:14] <Kruniac> I sent a transfer request as noted here: https://i.imgur.com/lQ74OhC.png
[19:14] <Kruniac> Are you not paying attention.
[19:14] <Kruniac> METHAX OWNS THE SHARE.
[19:15] <Kruniac> That is a legitimate transfer PM sent to Methax.
[19:15] <Kruniac> BCB, you witness this.
[19:15] <jwest411_> can you answer my Q though?
[19:15] <Kruniac> You really wanna know? >:)
[19:15] <Kruniac> I mean... REALLY?
[19:15] <BCB> I'm trying to follow but you don't sound like you are being honest
[19:15] <Kruniac> BCB, that's the thing. I'm being honest. This isn't a run around.
[19:16] <Kruniac> I scammed shitloads of people for 2.4 BTC each, round abouts.
[19:16] <Kruniac> That is honest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> I did NOT transfer the share to jwest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> Honest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> I DID transfer the share (as seen by screenshot) to methax. Honest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> Jwest - to answer your question...
[19:16] <Kruniac> Methax owes me money in escrow for the share.
[19:17] <Kruniac> I HAD to legitimately transfer the share.
[19:17] <Kruniac> Otherwise, I don't receive my funds.
[19:17] <jwest411_> ahhhhhh so you get more $ if methax gets his share
[19:17] <Kruniac> I've LITERALLY been waiting days for Friedcat to send the confirmation. He has not.
[19:17] <Kruniac> Even now he has not.
[19:17] <Kruniac> That's how I know that you're sketchy about this.
[19:17] <Kruniac> I sent two PMs to Friedcat. One transferring the share to Methax https://i.imgur.com/lQ74OhC.png
[19:18] <Kruniac> Another asking for confirmation.
[19:18] <Kruniac> Both were never answered.
[19:18] <Kruniac> I think that's about all I can say.
[19:18] <Kruniac> When you PMed me saying that you "owned" the share and you'll help clear my name, I knew you were lying.
[19:18] <Kruniac> And if you're telling the truth, then Friedcat screwed up.
[19:18] <Kruniac> Because I never transferred that share to you.
[19:18] <Kruniac> ;;monologue
[19:18] <Kruniac> XD
[19:19] <Kruniac> Now. I'm going to get some McDonalds, and maybe hit the mall. BCB, I'm sorry I lied to you in the PM I sent you. You're a legit guy, and you're a good businessman.
[19:19] <Kruniac> AFK. Msg me if you want anything

if youre a victim, please post here

Seems I'm another victim unfortunately. Do you want me to provide the PM conversation?

Pls post the details.

How do you want me to present it?

chat logs

PM's

payments

any and all details proving he offered shares and that you paid for it.

this is the address Kruniac used to receive payments:

https://blockchain.info/address/14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

His PMs: https://i.imgur.com/32opgz4.png?1

My replies: https://i.imgur.com/0hvIoBQ.png?1

Let me know if there is any other information I can provide.

I guess the lesson from this is to be sure to use Escrow if you have any doubts at all!

It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.

I was scammed as well....

Original message:

After I paid him, here is the confirmation (or so he says) that he requested the transfer from friedcat:

Of course, I didn't receive a share.

I did some Google searching on "KRUNIAC" and it seems that the handle is really only used by one guy:
  Garrott Gardner
  Birth Date 06/13/1984
  Address:
  805 W WASHINGTON ST UNIT 3
  HAGERSTOWN, MD 21740

I of course can't prove that this tool is really the Kruniac from this forum:
http://ak0.okccdn.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/150x150/558x800/2x346/1116x1460/0/6584434509909014500.jpeg

On this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=216300.msg2300001#msg2300001

Kruniac offers to purchase 2.7 btc from JoeChmoe the day before Kruniac ends up buying his 1 Asicminer share. (via BoA Transfer)

Via PM, JoeChmoe denies selling him the btc.  However, if JoeChmoe really did have history of the BoA transfer, we could know definitively the real identity of Kruniac and could transfer the matter to the authorities.

In the above chatlog, Kruniac connected via a Comcast IP address: https://ipdb.at/ip/68.55.37.228 Which is also based in Maryland.

thats 100% a pic of him i skyped with him

EDIT 99% I got this pic of him

http://imgur.com/4cJQkOa

JWest,

What timezone is that chat log from.  In order for the cops to subpoena his ISP to verify he was logged in on that IP address at that time I'll need to know that information.

Thanks.

eastern time

I am pretty sure I was the first person to buy his share.
https://blockchain.info/tx/43a991e1073d5f81bac777ab11fb9085fe7138a031c8f7b0cd5dd748f1ad7e79 (https://blockchain.info/tx/43a991e1073d5f81bac777ab11fb9085fe7138a031c8f7b0cd5dd748f1ad7e79)

He took 1.8 for it.  You'll notice that that transaction comes right after the ASICMiner dividend tx:
https://blockchain.info/tx/4b194ffb4c9f0b80c4e4752ef87855e17c209542eb95c1381dafd2cd860b12f5 (https://blockchain.info/tx/4b194ffb4c9f0b80c4e4752ef87855e17c209542eb95c1381dafd2cd860b12f5)

He signed multiple message stating intent to sell, followed by a request to transfer using that dividend address 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

Receiving the signing requests with that address gave me confidence it was legit.
I forwarded the signed transfer requests to friedcat... as soon as I got them.

Later that day I found him discussing selling to another person on OTC...

I am a victim as well. :(

As far as verifying the dox above...
He sent me a picture of a MoneyPak receipt purchased in MD (that afternoon upon my request). 
*edit:
This was about a week before on 5/31/13.

I sent the funds back to you after determining that this chap's not transferring any shares to you.

No, I ACTUALLY DID transfer the share via Friedcat. In fact, he was the only person I transferred shares to. Why?

He used escrow :)

You can check the PM records (if you can do that, John). I sent two PMs to Friedcat.

One was me transferring the share to Methax.

The other was me trying to confirm the share to Friedcat.

Regardless of what happened with any other transactions, it sounds like Friedcat made a transfer based on someone else's message (jwest?). I transferred ownership of that share on June 05, 2013, at 08:16:26 AM.


No other PMs were sent to Friedcat involving a transfer.

Methax is the only person authorized by me to own that share. Period. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

At this point, I'm not even interested in the escrow. It's the principle :P

Methax was the only person to demand escrow. I accepted. I legitimately transferred ownership of the share BECAUSE he demanded escrow.

I'm not the admin here. Anyway, I think I have sufficient proof that the share isn't transferred to him, and that you're trying to sell the poor share multiple times, so the funds is refunded to the buyer.

I'll let this go. I made my money.

I will say this - I DID transfer the share to methax before I made any deals with anyone else.

I DO have screenshots to prove this.

I transferred it because HE USED ESCROW, and I COULD NOT get funds without LEGITIMATELY transferring it.

That's all.

I paid for 1 ASICMiner share from Kruniac yesterday:

INBOX:

Kruniac
ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 06, 2013, 10:35:34 PM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
Would you be interested in buying an ASICMiner share? I found you in an auction thread for ASICMiner shares, and figured you were in the market.

I'll resell at 2.45 BTC. I can do more with the BTC than I can with the share TBH.

Proof of ownership is at this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


Kruniac
Re: ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 07, 2013, 12:49:59 AM »
That sounds good to me!  

If you happen to not win the auction, just send me a PM to see if I still have the share.

At any rate, good luck with your bidding.

Kruniac
ASIC Share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 07, 2013, 10:02:31 PM »
It certainly does!

One ASICMiner share @ 2.45 BTC.

Proof of ownership: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


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This message is from address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
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Signature: HxZHgnBWombwu+Mpy29gFPpZAaeoXNT00OIpk3XtZEKquT8vaL4TTEz7tG36/SL1GCy/PaSHdZ6toB4A0v5R9P8=



If you're interested, please provide me with the address you'd like dividends sent to, the username you'd like associated with the share transfer, as well as the TxID of payment to the following address:

19qxEXvt22gSfrXKj3TPPAF2112Rs81DJ4

If everything goes smoothly, I'll pass the PM along to Friedcat authorizing the transfer.

Also, please remember to rate Trust after Friedcat contacts you confirming the transfer.


Kruniac
Share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 08, 2013, 03:26:08 AM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
Hey. Sorry to bug you, but did you still want that share, or can I stop holding it?


Kruniac
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 08, 2013, 04:29:38 AM »
I understand. That will be fine - I'm not expecting any other transactions, so I'll trust that it's you.

I'll send the PM to Friedcat with the following information:

User: Therealcos
Address: 1NGNmWMKrUemNDsT6KyzKtsABxus3Lnr9


Kruniac
Re: Share
« Sent to: Therealcos on: June 08, 2013, 04:35:23 AM »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
I got it just fine. I'll send the PM off ASAP - you should hear back from Friedcat within 48 hours (just an estimate - he's pretty swamped).

Don't forget to trust when you receive confirmation.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OUTBOX:

Therealcos
Re: ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 07, 2013, 12:47:41 AM »
Hi Kruniac,
Actually I would like to buy a share, but the amount I have offered at the auction is my entire contingent for trading. In case the auction doesn't work out for me, and you're still interested, we can do this. I'll let you know, but I can't promise until tomorrow.

Have a nice day!


Therealcos
Re: ASICMiner share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 07, 2013, 07:31:28 PM »
Hey Kruniac, does your offer still stand?

Therealcos
Re: Share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 08, 2013, 04:17:44 AM »
Hey Kruniac,

Sorry for taking so long to reply. Yes, I'll take it. Before I send the funds, know that I will transfer them from MtGox, so I can only retrieve the ID they show me, I'm not sure if that corresponds to the txID in the blockchain or is MtGox specific. Is it okay?

Other than that, this username is fine and the address is
1NGNmWMKrUemNDsT6KyzKtsABxus3Lnr9

I'll send the payment after receiving your confirmation


Therealcos
Re: Share
« Sent to: Kruniac on: June 08, 2013, 04:31:26 AM »
Hi Kruniac,

I just sent the BTC2.45 to your address

The txID is fcd98fc1669496ee8385ae729bf920d37ea2145c6c55c96412c49e2ce65cbee7

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wo0x@bitcointalk proofs control of 1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd
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Sig: Gy7I85C08ljxbimouX+fNIxjkbGxnh5dcX5rLXgy3amXc3VIR1v6wAa3wIU3PY34/dA7HtxTR9zwXYZtVEVO5oo=


I sent him 2.35 in tx a94a47f563e679f1b27ad9ee6837e7d27599f5a9a261f7ea9a366948aba0220c ... shame on me, obviously w/o escrow.

jwest, I sent pm to you later. To point out here, friedcat was replying to me, that the share was moved to an address starting with 1F8hkA.., owned by jwest411. if jwest411 owns that address, it'll be fine for him.

Well he sure isn't the brightest scammer. He personally admitted for his actions, several people have chat logs as proof, and someone even found his home address. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Maryland's Criminal Law:

Theft can be a felony when the value of stolen property exceeds $1,000, and at this level it is considered grand theft. If the value of stolen property falls under $10,000, the crime is punishable by up to a $10,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment. When the value of stolen property falls between $10,000 and $100,000, the crime is punishable by up to a $15,000 fine and 15 years imprisonment. Once the value of stolen property exceeds $100,000, the penalty can be up to 25 years in prison and a $25,000 fine. Grand theft can be charged in the third, second or first degree based on these stolen property value thresholds, respectively.

Meh, your words are useless to me. That's all. Please enjoy your stolen funds, one day karma's going to get back to you.

Without claiming completeness or claiming that all transactions mentioned here are scam.
Please send messages, if you revail and proof ownership of one of those addresses.

Thanks

date	address	proving owner	amount of BTC
2013-06-05 23:18:17	19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui		1.8
2013-06-05 18:53:58	14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK		2.1
2013-06-06 00:55:18	126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D		2.2
2013-06-06 02:20:30	19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq		2.2
2013-06-06 03:53:31			2.29663866
2013-06-06 08:49:10			2.2
2013-06-06 20:49:21	18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK		2.2
2013-06-07 01:34:36	1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5		2.45
2013-06-07 03:22:56	1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD		2.2
2013-06-07 06:03:00	1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK		2.4
2013-06-07 09:23:58	1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd	wo0x	2.35

Source: http://blockchain.info/address/14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

Wow, what a worthless piece of shit, this Garrott Gardner.

Always remember rule #0:
Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself).

I bought 16.4BTC from him some nights ago. I paid using International Wire.

I have cancelled this payment and he will not get any money from me until this situation is resolved.

There may be a possiblity of recovering your funds.

Please post a signed message in this thread proving your owner ship of the address you used to send Kruniac the funds.

So having had a quick discussion with BCB I think what I will do is return the 16.4BTC to you people who were scammed.

I could 11 potentially scam transactions for ASICMiner shares, I believe one was fulfilled so that leaves 10?

To adjust for fairness I believe 1.6BTC to be returned to each of you who can prove the address/transactions etc is good?

I sent from localbitcoins which does not support signing, but here is a screenshot from my wallet transactions on there which matches up with the PM he sent shown earlier: https://i.imgur.com/1oPAQAF.png

Wow this is an amazing turn of events.  I still feel that we should pursue prosecution.  Once the list of victims is compiled we should all be named on the complaint (well, those that want to be) so that the total value of the heist is large enough for the local police to take action.

Transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6a4994b257f2881095be0d2162e757485ca87ecbd10d6dd74a312ea408f64fcd

Address:
1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK

Message:
dhenson is the owner of 1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXdjvC4kYK  Thank you for returning my funds!!!

Signature:
G1ghiheVYg5272OL6QVuE1ffoLNGM+3ycHZggM79IcrWLP+NWpStZKF1vg9oepvGNKJa61GaDUaBAboArNrEEag=

Thank You!

Keep posting information and any screenshots, TXIDs and PMs etc.

I will ask JohnK and BCB to review and between us we will decide if the proof is good enough to return any funds.

I unfortunately received a message from him;


However, I was one of the lucky ones who didn't send any money to him, I was close though, I really wanted that share.

So I guess the moral of the story is not to trust people through PMs and if there is a large enough amount at stake that you would prefer not to risk, use escrow services provided.

Hope all of you guys get sorted out, big up to all those who are funding the money back, you guys are troopers and the type of people who keep this community together as a whole.

If I had anything to give, I would, but alas.

If I can be any help to anyone, please message me!

Thanks, Matt.

Is my signature sufficient, or are you saying you would like further screenshots?

Hi guys, thanks for this. It was great waking up to this glory.

Time to get this guy.

thanks to all, I sent PM to BCB, BigBitz and jwest411.

ill help ya get it all back.

Its not illegal.

Don't be so sure it's not illegal, because there is no precedent that shows that bitcoin is not valid consideration in contract law. What is your evidence that it's not illegal?

First off all this is probably a civil case not a criminal case.  Call a Police Station in MD.

Then I guess you could try to file a small claim in the state of CA or MD.

Finally, I have yet to hear of single case of where a bitcoin scammer was charge let alone convicted of scamming either civilly or criminally (although that may be changing).

See.
My Bitcoin
Bitfloor
bitcoin.eu
Bitcoinica.com
Bitcoin Savings and Trust
GLBSE
etc.
etc.
etc.

Here is my claim on the ASICMiner share purchased with address 14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK

Message:
ryanAC is the owner of 14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK
I sent 1.8btc for Kruniac ASICMiner share on 06.15.2013 to 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
txid 43a991e1073d5f81bac777ab11fb9085fe7138a031c8f7b0cd5dd748f1ad7e79

Sig:
IKhpITgB/hKFnDm7cnmkSqf2v9f0I2ECazOe0zz459BnkgGSIU0hX192s7pLXvjz+tmLcZvva9nsYot7/SFDI64=






And, as an added bonus, here are the signed message for the terms of our deal...

--------MESSAGE--------
When the payment of 1.8 BTC is received by the address of : 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

A transfer request will be sent to Friedcat for one (1) ASICMiner direct share.

The request will be made on behalf of the user ryanAC, controlling the address: 14WzWD9GP2Zq93h935JkhqY3dK91UtiyDv
----------------------------

Sig: HyD7yFtPR8KeqvzJZ6Hzd6M6yEZ576nfl1lRcNwZ8Ev0/QqrB/HCgovoe4rVgkG8nWFkp9lVuwJi9IRewsxPIM4=


...and then the transfer request...
--------MESSAGE--------
My username is Kruniac (As you can see), controlling Bitcoin address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
I received one (1) share of ASICMiner via an auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


I'd like to transfer ownership of my ASICMiner share to:

User: ryanAC
Address: 14WzWD9GP2Zq93h935JkhqY3dK91UtiyDv
------------------

Signature:H2/88WCvcOR1z6q2u9NxJz1sAN1iE0Q80HAWdrvVM8zNsO0mQJzZVE5iRQ+VK7A9bTHDE9o+bT99ORJHK/0yRXE=

I spoke with the Sheriffs dept. in the County where he lives.  This is very much illegal and is considered a felony if the sum of the counts total more than $1000 US.

To pursue this through normal criminal channels, each claimant has to submit a police report in the jurisdiction in which they live. Assuming 10 claimants, that will be 10 counts of theft.  This is unfortunate as I don't see enough of us actually following through with filing a police report.

The Maryland PD will be contacted by each of the 10 respective police departments and will add to the charges a larger more serious charge (I can't remember what he called it).

I think we have ample evidence, including concrete verification via chat log IP address.  Once the ISP has been subpoena'd there won't be a question as to the identity of the thief.

The Maryland PD already had him in their system.  The officer I spoke to didn't mention his previous charges, but he did verify that the address etc. that I provided was correct.
-------
The other option is to file a complaint with the IC3 (https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx)  This deparment works in conjunction with the FBI and has the ability to lump all of the instances of theft together across jurisdictional boundaries.

My personal feeling is that each victim of this crime should file BOTH with local police and with the IC3.

Thank you. This is very useful information.

I sent the payment from MtGox, so I can't sign the message... :(

Here are screenshots of the conversations with Kruniac and of the MtGox payment to his address:
http://imgur.com/a/P4Z5K

This is the TxID: https://blockchain.info/tx/fcd98fc1669496ee8385ae729bf920d37ea2145c6c55c96412c49e2ce65cbee7
And his address where the 2.45 BTC went to: https://blockchain.info/de/address/19qxEXvt22gSfrXKj3TPPAF2112Rs81DJ4

Can I provide anything else?

Btw, I live in Germany, and I will file a police report here.

Thank you guys for giving us a bit of hope back, you're great.

Recover Schedule

address	owner	amount	total scammed	%	Recovered	Refund
19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui		1.8	41.78663866	4%	16.4	0.706445911
14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK	ryanAC	2.1	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.824186896
td]126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D	hwmax	2.2	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.863433891
19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq		2.2	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.863433891
		2.29663866	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.901361661
		2.2	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.863433891
18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK		2.2	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.863433891
1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5		2.45	41.78663866	6%	16.4	0.961551378
1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD		2.2	41.78663866	5%	16.4	0.863433891
1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK	dhenson	2.4	41.78663866	6%	16.4	0.941927881
1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd	wo0x	2.35	41.78663866	6%	16.4	0.922304383
	Design Dream	17.39	41.78663866	42%	16.4	6.825052437
			41.78663866	100%

If you have not already please PUBLICLY post a signature proving ownership of the addresses above.

These will be paid first.  

I think it's great someone is steeping up and taking care of the people burnt in this situation. Can I ask who and why?

First, thank you very much for doing this BCB and a HUGE thank you to BigBitz for returning the funds.  Everyone involved should throw forum TRUST at these two for their part in returning the bitcoins.

Update:
I've filed a police report with the local state trooper department here in Alaska.  I've also filed a report through IC3 (http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx)

After talking to the local police department, they are going to follow up with the police dept. in Hagerstown MD.  When filing your local reports, please instruct the officer to do the same.

It doesn't really make much sense for 10 different police departments to conduct the investigation when the guy lives in MD. and they are aware of the situation.

That would be me, I guess!

Right before all these guys got scammed I bought 16coins from Kruanic by international wire - I was able to cancel that today and recover my money.

Rather than keep 16 scammed coins I thought I can attempt to return some.

We have a community where we need people to stick together!

Let it also be clear there is around 35BTC people got scammed, I have 16..... I will need to make some decisions as to split this up fairly. I will be upfront and say none of you will get all your money back but you will get some!

Right on! One of the few cases of instant karma.

The bolded is mine, as shown here: https://blockchain.info/de/tx/48d506d00e0894b82cb67301fe5996cb24335ac83a0dd3a639b301fd2e9f7519
https://i.imgur.com/0hvIoBQ.png?1

The 1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5 address it was sent from is the localbitcoins ewallet so cannot accept payments back to it unless I'm mistaken, so I'd have to provide an alternate address if possible.

Bloke likes to pose half naked...

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/27/05a0af751113435f8dc355c86e4ca384/l.jpg

From his myspace.


Aka Cainurk, apparently.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/Cainurk/Snapshotofme1-1.jpg
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/Cainurk/77147_168305823189631_100000306441835_439459_6915070_n.jpg

More pictures there:
http://s592.photobucket.com/user/Cainurk/library/?sort=3&page=1

Am I the only one who didn't send the money to 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz ?

Updated.

Please claim the remaining addresses.  If you can not sign an addy please post evidence you sent and a return address.

Thx.

what address did you send to?

Well, I like your style

I sent it to 19qxEXvt22gSfrXKj3TPPAF2112Rs81DJ4

Here is a Copy+Paste from my original post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229612.msg2424242#msg2424242

so it is not already in the list??

What a shithole. Canned air and coffee. Breakfast of champions.

Yeah I hope he does something productive with my $$$.  It looks to me like his life could use a reboot.

Seriously, what a sissy breakfast. Freon and Red Bull or GTFO.

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui           ryanAC      1.8                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

---

14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK                          2.1                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

---

126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D   hwmax               2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

---

Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           tencevad    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK                          2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5                   2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

---

1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         


This, I believe, is the current state of play. We have close to 42BTC in scammed funds. As you know I have 16.4BTC at the moment I have decided to work on percentages of theft against percentages of losses so in short you're "claim" will be valued against the total scammed coins claimed and a pro-rata refund will be issued.

Some people will see this as fair. Rest assured I have thought about this and thought about how to provide people with some of their coins back. You're not going to get them all as we know. The main reason for this is DesignDream got hit for 17.39BTC in total and I think giving everyone a small amount back is better than getting none back. I assume most of you thought you would never see those coins again so please try and accept this and realize it is a fair method.

As of right now -- 7:38GMT [current forum time] no new claims will be accepted. I can't return anything to everyone scammed by this guy.

I hope you all agree this is fair and I am trying to do what's right but if someone has any suggestions etc post them.

For Additional Transparency this is the TX where he sent me the 16.4BTC --> https://blockchain.info/tx/8d71e6c9aab72c32f15612f81c8d55b209f6ae54c12ca6486f078abf8d0d638f

Right now I need people to send their info either in a PM to BigBitz, BCB, JohnK on this forum. Or post the information publicly.

Thanks BigBitz! No complaints here.

I just hope other victims that have not responded yet find this thread.

I know this might happen but unfortunately we need to draw a line at some point.

People have had a few days to realize this, heck, some of them might not even use bitcointalk.org forum as well...

I just need to have a clean cut to start trying to work out who gets how much etc.

tencevad you are NOT in that list however you have proven to sent 2BTC to the address so I am going to remove one of the transactions which we have no address for - note there is two.

For Transparency I have added tencevad to the 2.2BTC transaction -- I am not going to recalculate everything so he will get the least amount of the blank transaction.

Thanks.

Hello all,

I just PMed BigBitz with notification that I am in fact the person that transferred 2.2 BTC to this guy at roughly 6:00 PM June 5 (Pacific) - those are in fact my 2.2 BTC.

I sent him 2.2 BTC to his address of 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

He signed with that address, and I can provide that if you would like.

My btc address is 17rfDxMZ5Yyui7Lf7msEScBo2AC6oE3vxR

Please allow me to join you guys in seeking restitution!

EDIT: Here is a picture of my interactions with him, containing transaction and contact details: https://i.imgur.com/aEiTlRg.jpg

This is my transaction to the d-bag: https://blockchain.info/tx/a8ebe244320415c6b1216ef473de41795e5240d97ea6375dd6f759450e520f18

I have attributed you to the remaining blank address as your BTC address is not there.

That's all folks. ONLY those BTC addresses above will be used for repayment purposes. Short of a very valid detailed claim/proof there will be no BTCs sent to alternative addresses.

Thank you very much BigBitz and to everyone else in this thread.

I would also like to file a police report and am located in California. What information do we currently have on this fellow that I can provide to the police (at some point people went from talking about logs to filing police reports)? I want my local police to be able to contact the police in his area and was stated earlier in the thread.

Here is my signed message:

Address: 17rfDxMZ5Yyui7Lf7msEScBo2AC6oE3vxR

Message: This is Palantir13 on the bitcointalk forums and I am signing this address to confirm I was a victim of the scammer Kruniac when attempting to purchase 1 ASICMiner share. This message is being signed 6/10/2013 Pacific.

Signature: G+NrX/brdrSs2FcA4KFWBm5U81CCcrwjlRjky+iv7qVziWr3DqSB4eO1Lzyjl++ttpo94lv+pGVcXtp8ogkVpiI=



Good luck to us...

EDIT: This is the info we have (correct me if I'm wrong).

Garrott Gardner
Birth Date 06/13/1984

Address:
805 W WASHINGTON ST UNIT 3
HAGERSTOWN, MD 21740

Used IP address: 68.55.37.228

http://www.myspace.com/206360778

BTC address (will the cops care about this right now?): 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

Since he didn't deny those allegations of what his name was etc...

This facebook appears to be his: https://www.facebook.com/garrott.gardner/about

His mom's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/regina.gardner2

His brother's facebook: https://www.facebook.com/travis.gardner.9256

It's weird, but there is no option to keep any of those scammed and rescammedued coins for you. I vote for either splitting them up between parties, that show and can proof their claim or, even preferrable, donate the rest, that was not showing up/proved, publicly to  EFF or something else of your choice.

Best"
  wo0x

I'm not sure what you mean?

He did nothing illegal

You've said that repeatedly. Why isn't it illegal? Because there is no precedent for a case like this?

The Hagerstown Police/Sheriffs very much believe it is illegal if you read earlier in the thread (see post #46). He also admits to stealing the money, so plea deal is possible without even having to enter trial etc...

This is a very simple case of fraud, not of hacking or misbalance of funds etc.

Whoever skyped him, and saw his face, will be very strong evidence if testimony is ever needed.

ironcross360 is a constant spammer/nonsense talker so just ignore him.

Thanks for doing this, just to point out, my sending address is: 1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5 not 126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D as shown here: https://blockchain.info/de/tx/48d506d00e0894b82cb67301fe5996cb24335ac83a0dd3a639b301fd2e9f7519 and https://i.imgur.com/0hvIoBQ.png?1

As I stated previously, it was sent from localbitcoins ewallet so a refund to that address wouldn't be of any use; could I let you login to the account to confirm the transaction so that you could send the refund to a different address?

Table Updated.

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

---

14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

---

126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

---

Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           tencevad    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK                          2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

---

1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Should we set a deadline for unclaimed funds?

Therealcos is not one of those present in the table above but has proven he got scammed with multiple screenshots and the TXID information to Kruniac address.

I am suggesting if there is some unclaimed funds by, an agreeable date, say 17th June? that is one week from today, then I can refund some to Therealcos.

any other outstanding funds will be donated to something or someone.

Those are BigBitz's coins, not "scammed coins" and there is no vote to be taken. Essentially, he doesn't have to do this at all. If someone told me this occured, I would not have believed had I not read it and seen it confirmed - faith in humanity restored!

I know how it feels, was scammed 8k this winter. I filed police reports and then stayed on it, buying background checks and since I have a network degree, I was able to produce reports, then I continued pressuring the police investigator, it took two months and the investigator confirmed I was telling the truth, and the hammer dropped, and it dropped hard. The criminals called me after being arrested apologizing and fearing long sentences.

A few things - I encourage all that have been scammed to persue this matter. If it is not persued, the scammer will change identities and continue burning victims. Despite what a "hero" member has posted, this is a crime in the United States.

The US Government does not acknowledge the presence of bitcoins... They would probably help you if someone robbed you in person or hacked you...

You haven't said one helpful thing on this thread, ironcross360. What are you after?
Either way, a crime should not be left unpunished. I'm not sure how far the hands of the german police can reach regarding bitcoin, but that won't stop me from filing the report. And it definitely shouldn't stop all of you living in the US. File the report.


Also, as Lastro posted: Faith in humanity restored.
BigBitz doesn't have to do any of this, but he does. It's people like him, with integrity, that make Bitcoin thrive and make this community a place I want to be a part of, despite people like Kruniac. People who think they can fool the world. Karma will find you, Kruniac. For every person you ever tricked or fooled, you have given up your chance to a worthy life. I hope you're proud. I hope your parents are proud.

The FBI, CIA, Federal Reserve and the Department of Treasury, Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice  all have extensive knowledge of bitcoin. The recent FinCEN guidance, and DOJ/DHS action against MT GOX and it US subsidiary Mutum Sigillum make this clear and possibly indicate additional regulation and legislation coming.

 

Got scammed as well.  :-\ I did ask him to sign a message though....


Kruniac confirmed payment


Transaction id

eda3badb8b9df829dba986c9030037975d1e1108fde6c897cae73a329bef92c7

That message does NOT verify.

Please sign a message from the address you send funds from

Actually it does verify to 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz which is the address of kruniac which I paid 2.2 to.
Please, can you check again?

Message: I, Kruniac, am selling one ASICMiner share to TheOrri on 6-6-2013 for 2.2 BTC and am awaiting payment.
Signature: H/o0Bj8UXIM3Jo8iy6f2GWp3MRImGfus+dHxiYcc1LHcT5AhMShq6un/EPP42JmJcJZVSnLynfEHHE6n9L8dVZE=

same here, oh well

OK - Now sign a message with your sending address.  Thx.

A simple "STFU" would have sufficed :P

TheOrri you aren't listed under any of those transactions so you will fall down to a backup -- if all those TXs are not claimed I will decide if I will refund other people.

I can't open this up carte blanch to everyone who comes in claiming it. I hope you understand.

Thats me. Anyone can tell the police ill do this for them np. I can even drive down to MD if i have to.

I understand, and just wanted to say that it makes me smile to see there are people like you.

Just for the record, my signed message confirming I was also stupid enough to fall for the scam, you are unfortunately not alone ....


Signature

First of all your local police station are NOT going to file a report for at 200.00 internet fraud.

You have to file a small claim with your state government.

And Kruniac knows from experience that no one is going to bother to do that, which is why he is being so cavalier and nonchalant about the whole thing.

We can still make him miserable through the power of internet.

Frankly after talking to him I don't really think he cares what you post or do or say about him on the internet. (look at him many dating site profiles). 

 Evidently he has been through a similar incident before and has admitted to being a long time e-bay scammer. 

BigBlitz,

Both the send and receive address match and verify.  He has a stronger claim them the other.  I recommend you add him to the claim list and re allocate payout.

If you want to be totally transparent about this you should probably only pay out (varified) addresses send to a proven Kruniac address.

The others that send from Gox or Local bitcoin address (while probably verified) could be judgment call as how do you verify the screen shots were not tampered with.

I'll leave that up to you and John.

Thx BCB, I will review tomorrow morning!

Depends upon what department you are with.  If it's the NYPD, probably not.  But if you live in suburbia, where our cops get easily bored and ditch the cruiser to walk around the neighborhood for a few hours just to converse with other humans, they'll be more than happy to make that report.  Though don't be too surprised if your report gets a coffee stain or doughnut stain on it!

For verification of the payment from my localbitcoins ewallet, I'm willing to provide the login details for a trusted party to login and see the transaction was made.

Just received this in a PM:

I'm still trying to figure out why this drama is even still unfolding, and why I'm getting BCCed on it. O.o

Alright, lemme weigh in my two cents.


1: I don't recall what you guys are talking about with all of this "scam" talk. I do not have a Bitcoin wallet that has seen any use whatsoever, and with access to a computer which sees up to 5 users a day, any one could be responsible for any number of unfortunate and most likely misunderstood dealings during the past month.

2: The moment you private message someone demanding payment (in any form) to prevent personal information from "leaking", it's classic blackmail. Extortion by US Code. Any "opinions" or "views" or "two cents" about it means nothing. It's there in plain text.

3: That having been said, I'm not interested in Ironcross, his naughty PM, or any of the "dox" on the internet. If I am indeed who you claim I am, then you could have gotten much better pictures than what you found. At least ones where I'm wearing some Armani or something. =/

4: BigBitz did go with the whole "scam a scammer" mentality, but you know what? That's okay. He's taking care of the community, and that really showed me a lot. I swore up and down that he was going to keep the coins, but he didn't (it seems). He's just a shark businessman who buys at $10 below spot, but seems to really care about giving back to those in need. I have all of the respect in the world for him, and for BCB (even if we don't agree on a few things).


At any rate. Following this tale of woe and luls has become a 20 minute a day hobby at this point. As I said, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. The whole bytecoin, betcoin, batchcoin, hocus-pocus confuses me. I'm not tech savvy enough to get involved with bitchcoins or eye are see or whatever you crazy hipsters are doing.


I WILL however be -obscenely- glad to wait and watch to see where this goes. If I'm lucky, and it gets out of hand, I can start hurling defamation lawsuits at people and make some REAL money.  We have a lawyer specifically for business transactions. He's always looking for a payday.

Your friend and neighbor - "Kruniac"


XOXOXOXXOXO
<3 <3 <3 <3

Classic panic email

Love the change in tone once he saw the heat rising. He just took $5000 or more from a bunch of us, I'm not okay with letting that slide.

My local cops will probably have their interest piqued enough to follow through with his local police.

Indeed. It's fraud at the end of the day. You guys have his name, address, photo. Epic fail as a scammer.

I've already filed with my local police department and the IC3.

I also plan on filing a civil action, I'll update this thread as things unfold.

dhenson

Love your video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr3qEjbstM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgr3qEjbstM)


Garrett, You sure you want this guy hot on your tail??

Good luck.

Woah, woah, woah. There's no panic email. There's no panic message.

There's a little soap opera unfolding in my Inbox, and I was responding to a large portion of the messages, that's all. I'm not worried about anything. :D

I'll post a screenshot later on, after I hit the mall. It's pretty hilarious stuff going on.

I, too, am willing to provide credentials to a trusted party to verify the address provided by Kruniac and his confirmation of the payment and/or the payment itself.
There was no tampering with the screenshots.

https://i.imgur.com/LUAMe2q.png

This is what I was replying to.

You can imagine how lewls it is to wake up to this kind of thing going on in my Inbox.

Like I wake up, get some coffee, read the news, check my e-mail -BOOM.

Infinite rofls. :)



So no, I'm not worried. I'm just playing along. E-warriors "Dox"ing people? OH NOES HALP STAP PLS.

Police reports filed for...<something>? I'LL SUE U 4 DEFUMATIN MY USERNAME LEWL.


Honestly, I'm giving zero damns. I'm more concerned about someone more like myself getting my information and putting a bullet in my chest. Legitimate keyboard crusaders don't bother me at all. :)


*Edit* You should have read the previous messages that are now deleted. Ironcross claiming his account to be hacked, etc. "subdural hematoma" (which isn't even a thing) my ass.

What actually happened was.... 

Man tried to get paid off of all of this chaos.
Man got served with "You literally just attempted extortion."
Man pooped himself and backed off.
I lulled and shared the luls with my friends. :)

*Edit*

Thank you dhenson.

Anyone want to get in touch with KRUNIAC they can skype him at

https://i.imgur.com/oumWJSK.png

exhalebloo

TakeA Guess

First off, as usual, you guys are trying way too hard. That username is obviously cut short in my taskbar.

Secondly, it's exhalebloodyair

Stop acting like badass haxor Sherlocks. You aren't. None of you. :)

I would agree that I don't have any special sleuthing skills.  But you do have to admit I found your name and home address pretty quickly.  I think it was about 3 minutes after sending you the bitcoin?

You on the other hand have to get the boob of the year award for lack covering your tracks as an online scammer.  I should thank you as if ever someone could actually get busted, it's going to be you.

I wrote a pseudo long winded and kind nasty reply to this, but I've deleted it. That's no way to behave.

You did post information quickly, yes. You did. :)

I wonder if we can get this thread to 3000 Views. 

I'm watching you .

https://i.imgur.com/ZtunLqB.jpg

Hi there,

I actually already paid him 2.5 btc from the below address for 1 share


1Negb4xSk4HFF2dhRGstzh8b34x4s7wtnS
user name: Carleton

1.5 bitcoin straight from this addres, and another 1.0 from sealswithclubs which is harder to show the transaction.


I finished the transferring only on 6/9, but somehow his "trade with extreme caution" flag was not up when I received the offer


Anyhow, I really appreciate BigBliz's attempt to help the victims here.
Thanks again for putting things together.
Carleton is the owner of the address 1Negb4xSk4HFF2dhRGstzh8b34x4s7wtnS
H9RJU+23y2ZVXZTUlxeoRU/kQ23vtSgiDoCyr6JEVxIyZnHp4bWeAnP3abFxtIKbr2ixZAd6lERZ67wnhgjHCgc=


Btw, if BigBliz ever process to the point that covers my transaction, I'd like to have all (if any) bitcoin meant to be my claim transferred to BigBliz instead for helping out fellow community members.

If you want to play games, GARDNER, we can play games. But I don't think you're going to like what's going to happen. I'm sure all your neighbors at 805 W WASHINGTON ST UNIT will be thrilled to know they're living next door to a thief, but that's just the beginning *VBG*

My local police have been notified. We shall see where this goes.

EDIT: I just received a call from the reporting deputy who stated they wouldn't be writing up a report, as this was more a civil breach of contract than a criminal theft. He said I could contact Garrott Gardner's local police as they would probably be more helpful.

I will testify in support of any criminal case against him, or join any civil case against him. We shall see what your police can decide to come up with. This is one of the problems about being an early adopter to a technology, there is no legal precedent yet.

+1 Keep us posted. Hope we get this guy! In Holland we have a special police department for Internet scams. I'll file as well. Of course, they can't do anything while he's in the US, but if he enters the EU at least he'll get flagged.

Tip of my hat to BigBitz. He is doing some very charitable work for the community. He could have easily taken his 16btc and never said a word. That man has a damn fine character. We had become friends on OTC long before this, but he has earned my respect with this good deed. Kudos, BigBitz.

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

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126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

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19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           tencevad    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK                          2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

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1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

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1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

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1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

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                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

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guys...

For now this is the ONLY transactions I will review. People will have until 17th June to claim the transactions above - if you cannot prove with a signed message you own the address/transaction then we will review other avenues.

For now SIGNED/VERIFIED transactions will be paid out from the above addresses only. After 17th June I will review the additional claims, so far that is TheOrri who has proven his transactions.

For LocalBitcoins.com/MTGox Wallet transactions I suggest you ask JohnK [please CC myself in] to review your login - this can be any method John prefers, however, a screenshot will NOT be accepted. Sorry but anyone can doctor a screenshot.

Please appreciate returning the money to RIGHTFULLY scammed people is all I want to do. I don't have enough to give every single person claiming so I need to work with what information we have gathered above.

I see Kruanic returned to post some information. Kruanic I am sorry you so it fit to scam multiple people. In the interest of transparency you, obviously, did not scam me and I did cancel your wire. I find this to be wholly appropriate for the actions taken.

Currently out of the 12 Transactions above 7 have been "claimed" - As I said these will be the first to be reviewed.

hwmax: Please PM JohnK, BCB and myself - agree a suitable method for JohnK to have the ability to "prove" your transaction is valid. This is something you and JohnK can work out.

TheOrri: You have proven a verified so any remaining funds after 17th June you will be the first in line.

ryanAC: Please sign a message for the address/transaction posted. You can PM JohnK, BCB, myself or publicly post.

dhenson: Please sign a message for the address/transaction posted. You can PM JohnK, BCB, myself or publicly post.

wo0x: Please sign a message for the address/transaction posted. You can PM JohnK, BCB, myself or publicly post.

Therealcos: You will be added to the back-up list along with TheOrri. again you have used MTGox so please PM JohnK, BCB, myself to attempt to prove the trade. Screenshots are not suitable.

Palantir13: You have been awarded a "blank" address TX as this matched your TXID Information.

tenecevad: You have been awarded a "blank" address TX as this matched your TXID Information.

Palantir13 / tenecevad: As you have the "BLANK" TXIDs and TheOrri has proven his TXID I will need to decide what to do. TheOrri has a fully valid claim and probably, so far, the most proven.

In an attempt to represent fairness I will ask that either of you "give up" your refund and pass it on to TheOrri and wait for June 17th at which point you will be on the list of additional refunds, or, alternatively the three of you agree to split the refund amount between 3.

this would be 1.764795552 / 3 and would mean a refund of 0.588265184BTC, at least.

I am not entirely sure what you mean by blank TXID. What is it that you would need from me?

I'm using the full Bitcoin client so I know that there are hidden change addresses. Do you need me to also sign with that address that was in the transaction?

Palantir13 - I mean "blank" in that it was one of the transactions which did not have an associated address with it. I believe your TX amount came close to that.

Are you happy to split it also or would you prefer the whole amount?

This is my transaction as it's listed in my client: https://blockchain.info/tx/a8ebe244320415c6b1216ef473de41795e5240d97ea6375dd6f759450e520f18

My main address in the Bitcoin client is: 17rfDxMZ5Yyui7Lf7msEScBo2AC6oE3vxR

However it appears this change address was used in the transaction: 126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D

Message: This is Palantir13's address that was used to buy a ASICMiner share in a scam by Kruniac. Date is 6/11/2013.

Signature: G0e6IQ/ptG3lRWaiGuMUpGf0zAPFYUom4YxvS6ZTPf4bKgJsQC1dgOLLW2sX1sEMn6+JgCQKHLvzXJNsZgk9wts=

I would prefer the whole amount if at all possible, this is coming from the kindness of your heart though. Does that verify as showing my address sent to his address?

Message successfully verified against Bitcoin Address: 126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D

Funds will be returned to: 126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D

you have decided to not split the value so I will refund the whole amount of 0.901361661.

Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

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126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           tencevad    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK                          2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

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1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6

The transaction has confirmed. You are a gentleman and a scholar. If I wasn't a poor college student I would buy you many drinks. Once I get some more coin in my wallet, your generosity won't go unrewarded.

I await to see the outcome of the work being done to bring this scammer to justice. Since we had admission of guilt, evidence of video and text chat, IP logs etc, this could be a very interesting case (I imagine we could entice a lawyer interested in BTC to go pro-bono on this if it does turn into a civil case).

Actually, one of you should probably go to

805 W WASHINGTON ST UNIT (lewl?)

And knock on the door. Or something. :)



Nah. I have no idea who has been using this computer recently. And neither do you. And neither does any agency.


If we're talking about the same thing here, I'm 99% sure it wasn't FRAPSed. I could be wrong.


Blatent forgeries! XD



Must have been a roomy. Or a burgler. D: I'm scared now. D:


Delusions of grandeur. How about: "Bitcoin community heavies get madbro, rage, and then settle down!"


This is the only thing I can agree with. I'm sure a community member who has passed the bar would be more than happy to consult/advocate. I'd like that, actually. :)

More to the point, I WANT a member of the community to examine this case extremely carefully, and then advise those involved on a course of action. Then have him/her post here about it. Then I'll promptly have a heart attack from laughing. :D

So Krunic..... since you have returned to rub it in these guys how much did you get away with?

Who the hell watches videos of life changing experiences with baby sea lions, then steals thousands of dollars from normal people?

Nothing. Stealing is morally wrong. D:




The same type of person who gets amusement (like TV show/movie/video game quality amusement) from having random people stalk him/her. Checking my Facebook. Slobbering over my "dox". Having fantasies of some kind of revenge or comeuppance.

God, I love every second of it. The more hope gets wrung out of you by reality, the higher I sit. The more you despair over what world you REALLY live in, the fresher my coffee tastes. Hope. Dreams. Life. As they vanish one by one, I get just a little bit more motivated.

That having been said, that baby sea lion was the most adorable thing ever. I have a fondness for sea creatures. :)

*Edit*


Hey, if you want to cancel a wire on a "legit" transfer, that's on you. If you -really- care where the coins come from, then I respect your moral boundaries. Fortunately, there are others who do not have such high bars, and who are more than willing to buy coins, regardless of their origin. I really wish you were the latter. It would have saved a few people (recently) grief. :)

Oh well. I hope you find great glory in your new found wealth.

Playing some League Of Legends, actually. Rocking some Kassadin. Good business.

*Edit* Went 14/8/29. Just ARAM - not ranked. You guys should play. :)

I commend all of you for trying to right this situation.  Best of luck. 
I feel like the accused person's attitude has contributed somewhat to the effort put forth here by the members of the community. 
I don't think they realize the power of the internet.  I wish I knew somene who lived in Seattle.

This is maybe the greatest thread I have read on the site.

Here's my claim for address 14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK

Message: ryanAC is the owner of 14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK
Sig: ICsW9eW73zrHa4BKX0T9BxsKQHq+eRPwgnLC9D0O3yq/6aRz0ZIJ7IdNTOtYjZWh3m9rY7VN6prhh2lMslMcEcg=

Thanks BigBitz!

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

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126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

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19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           tencevad    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK                          2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

---

1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6
ryanAC refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 89ce197077de6b4cdd94957775e5c1da28bd0a585307fdcaecfc8091ee089231

Wat?


I agree. :)

Just put an add in Craigslist for someone in Seattle to go and confirm this guy's ID - pay in bitcoins, easy. :)

Local debt collection agencies love this sort of thing too.  They charge almost nothing to literally harrass people for months on end.  Calls day and night, following people, talking to their friends, etc.  Of course your new Craigslist contact might have other ideas too.

Either way, nice to see some effort being made!  Too many scammers get off scot-free.

Oh God. PayPal had NCO calling me for like... a year. All because someone ripped me with a chargeback (this was about nine years ago, give or take). It was pretty damned annoying.

I uh. I'm not sure... why... we are talking about Seattle... O.O


By the way - if you guys haven't seen the movie Fearless Hyena - watch it. It's a pretty good (although cheesy) Jackie Chan movie from the 70s. Worst dubbing ever, cheesy Jackie Chan sequence stunts, etc. Just good stuff to pass time with. :)

This is incorrect. While it is not considered currency according to FINCEN, it falls under digital goods. I am not a lawyer so one should be consulted and a class action suit would be advisable, along with criminal prosecution.

He is bluffing with the libel suits as this is simply a scare tactic, and secondly, if there is any truth in the claims (of being a scammer), then there are no grounds for a libel suit. Keep in mind that this person completely lacks empathy for other people, and thus has no remorse for anyone but themselves. At some point, when cornered, will request mercy and paint themselves as a victim.

Are you a Serial Scammer /  Thief?

This is a repost of my earlier signed message.  Is this not sufficient?

Transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6a4994b257f2881095be0d2162e757485ca87ecbd10d6dd74a312ea408f64fcd

Address:
1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK

Message:
dhenson is the owner of 1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXdjvC4kYK  Thank you for returning my funds!!!

Signature:
G1ghiheVYg5272OL6QVuE1ffoLNGM+3ycHZggM79IcrWLP+NWpStZKF1vg9oepvGNKJa61GaDUaBAboArNrEEag=

No. It does not verify...

"Error Verifying Message Invalid Bitcoin Address"

Hmm... it verified for me using bitcoin-qt.  I'll have to check it out when I get home.

Should I have just signed the address?  I signed the entire message using the public/private key pair.  This is my first time using the sign message function.

You should sign WITH the address any message you like :)

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

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126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

---

Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           tencevad    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK                          2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

---

1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6
ryanAC refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 89ce197077de6b4cdd94957775e5c1da28bd0a585307fdcaecfc8091ee089231
designdream refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 61c9f966f118b81beb29a461a874082f9e1cac04739a8796e157146933b496de
wo0x refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 491e241cfcb8d564ba179bc69e77053e3b7aa5842770453cb4aca730f5f14586

BigBitz, you are just awesome. BIG UP!


Now let's see, what law will do with the long haired cell phone lady.

Yeah, been watching the forum for a while - BigBitz brings something new here - like his style.

Hey BigBitz, I'll give up my refund for now and pass it on to TheOrri.

No. That's a pretty random question.

Can a mod dump the IPs of this PoS, please?

And then what? You'll cr4ck my b0x? Lewl.

Anyone and everyone who matters has my IP address. I'm sure BCB and BigBitz have it. Jwest is a creepy stalker (and looks like one), so I'm sure he grabbed it.

I'm just sitting back and waiting for:

1: Someone to matter.

2: Someone to make a mistake I can sue over.

3: More luls.

4: Getting 3 wins in a row to get promoted to Silver II in League. Almost there!

I live about 20 minutes from Hagerstown.

Sweet! Where at?

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=21C10036907&loc=59&detailLoc=CC

Maybe his ex-wife is a nice person?

A lot nicer than I am.

*Edit* You didn't answer me. Where are you from?

Careful guys...

Until a subpoena comes back from his ISP it is purely speculation that this is Garrott Gardner.  That won't happen until the MD police decide to take this seriously and issue the subpoena.  Yes Jwest verified that his picture matches the Skype conversation, but that isn't definitive.

At this point it is just an assumption that this is his identity.  

I am 100% committed to following this through no matter the effort, I just want to make sure people don't start getting stupid over it.

You should probably listen to this, folks. Also, given the SLIM chance that a subpoena does get filed, when the ISP returns a name that isn't mine, or when any accusations are filled with so much reasonable doubt due to multiple people sharing a location, or when I'm not in Maryland any more....

Well, you get the point.

But go ahead. Continue to fap over my "dox". Make sure to spam people that may know me. Keep it up. :D



Where at? I'm having a party (birthday in two days) over there at West End tavern, if you'd like to come. Two beers on me. :)

Thurmont.  Wanna meet and trade some coins?

When you verified, did you have an errant carriage return?  I've quoted the exact message that was signed.  This verifies for me...

Transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6a4994b257f2881095be0d2162e757485ca87ecbd10d6dd74a312ea408f64fcd

Address:
1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK

Message:

Signature:
G1ghiheVYg5272OL6QVuE1ffoLNGM+3ycHZggM79IcrWLP+NWpStZKF1vg9oepvGNKJa61GaDUaBAboArNrEEag=

Only if you bring cash. As in USD on your person. It'll be a pain to bring a laptop over there, but I can manage.

8 PM - West End tavern, June 13th. Make sure to bring a FAT wallet.

That might just be worth flying to MD for.

You look like the type that would do something like that. Do it. :D Two free beers for anyone who claims to be a member of the Bitcoin community.

If you have a badge, a gun, and an arrest warrant...

Nononono. He doesn't need any of that. Let him come as is. A badass. I want to see a badass show up at my little party in the West End. ^__^

so i ask again, did you scam me?  or will i get an ASICMiner share as agreed?  or will I get my 2.2BTC back?

You literally just PMed me that, and I'm guessing you didn't like the answer. And like anyone stuck in fantasyland, you keep asking the same question until you get an answer you can live with.

You aren't getting a share. Methax is the only person SUPPOSED to own that share. Due to Friedcat making a clerical error, I believe Jwest owns it. Talk to him about it.

Talk to BigBitz about getting your 2.2 BTC back. He stole ~16 coins from me Robin Hood style. :)

Which is exactly why I asked for a dump of his/her IP addresses, cause I'm begining to think this fucker has just found Gardner on google, looking for the right profile (role playing, japanese culture, computers, etc.) and borrowed his identity.

Gardner appears to be a very active mmorpg gamer. This guy sounds fake when talking about LoL.

I just ruined 5-1-31 ARAM Ryze. Lulwut.

yeah you are correct i didnt like the answer cause you didnt give me an answer in my PM.  I just like a straight answer when I ask a question.  so now that you told me (and everyone else) specifically that you have taken several people's BTC with no plans of refunding and no plans of delivering the product you "sold" then I will join everyone else in labeling you a scammer.  obviously it doesnt mean anything to you since you continue to follow and post on here, and apparently enjoy all the attention that I guess you never received from your family or others in RL.  good luck with Karma buddy, cause she's a major bitch.

1: I didn't admit to anything at all. Ever. Someone must have hacked my computer/I have a subdural hematoma/my dog ate it/etc.

2: You're right. It means zero to me.

3: You're wrong, I got attention from my family and others "in RL".

4: Umad. Lewl. Random outbursts about people's family giving them attention is a sure sign of internet rage. I'm surprised someone hasn't called me a "fat 12 year old". XD

I was able to confirm directly with Bank of America today that an active bank account exists for Gardner with a statement address in Hagerstown, MD 21740 and the last four digits of the account number are 3662. I was able to confirm information Kruniac has provided in the past with Bank of America file information.

So unless Kruniac committed identity theft to open the Bank of America account or stole the bank account, I think this is strong evidence that Kruniac is Garrott Gardner and currently resides in Maryland.

If anyone has any additional identifying information about him, please let me know. I have hired a company to track him down for legal reasons. I intend to confront him in person.

I will provide a 2 BTC reward to anyone who provides me his current residential or work address and definitive identifying photo or video of him entering or leaving this building (from a public right of way, capture both the entire front of the residence and any markings if possible, as well as his face clearly visible).

I told you. 8 PM, West End Tavern, June 13th. Two free beers.

You're incorrect about the bank information, but I'm not going to get into an argument about it. There's so much murk around your facts that I don't need to lie, cover up, or otherwise do much of anything. :)

It's like listening to a baby try to pronounce something. You know they are trying to say it, they just don't get it QUITE right.



Ooooo. Getting personal. This is getting more exciting! :D

Alright, we'll let people see for themselves then. :)

Anyone with a Bank of America account can also confirm his information using the add a transfer recipient tool. Note that if you enter an incorrect ZIP code, the tool will return an error.

https://i.imgur.com/XDxQWS4l.png

Bank of America Account Number: 446024583662
Routing Number: 052001633

Is it West End Pub at 5 Nottingham Road?

Kruniac, I'm concerned I'm going to show up at the bar on Thursday and you won't be there, and I'll have wasted my time. I don't want to play games, so why don't you man up and give me your home address? I'll send someone over there to verify it's you and then we'll chat in person soon. I just want to talk. I won't hurt you, I promise. Looking forward to meeting you dude!

Same old internet story. Someone talks HUGE, and doesn't deliver. Another Battle.Net "Hitman". Another "MY DAD OWNS THE SERVER AND HE'LL BAN YOU". Another "big time drug dealer" with nothing to show.

I've been dealing with kids who behave that way for over thirteen years. Now it's just grown men doing the same. Doesn't surprise me, just continues to make me lul. Either show up at the joint, and get told to have sexual relations with yourself in person, or continue to Sherlock on the interwebs, and throw money into super sleuthing. It doesn't bother me either way.

Frankly, the reason I'm comfortable with disclosing where I'll be when - this forum serves as adequate background for any crime that may be committed against my person. And while people might not care too much about bitcoins getting thrown around, something happening to a person is another matter.

I can basically sum it up like this:

I have legal insulation.
I have cash to party with.
I have amazing hair.
I have a Maryland carry permit.
I never travel dirty.
I give no shits.

Let's make history, or keep raising the post count in this thread. Either way, I'm satisfied.

Have you ever stolen $5000 dollars before? Pushing buttons with people's paychecks is a bit different than stealing loot in Diablo.

I haven't ever stolen any money from anyone. Certainly not $5000. That's crazy talk!

And the point I was trying to illustrate is that it's the same "excuses". I provide a place to have a meeting, they realize that shit is about to get heavy, and they say "NO GIMME UR HOME ADDRESS".

Why? So you can firebomb my house? Throw bricks at the windows? I have room mates. I can't have that going on. Despite what you folks may think of my ethics - I keep other people out of my business. If you want to see me about something, I've given a location that I'll be at in about 29 hours. If that isn't enough for you, then stay behind the keyboard where it's mellow.

The more I think of it, the more I'm getting bored with this thread, and this game. The only outcomes to this are pretty standard:

1: I use some foul language towards whoever actually shows up, then laugh it off.
2: No one shows up at the appointed time/place.
3: I get injured/killed by someone with some manliness, who then gets arrested.
4: In genuine fear for my life, I am forced to defend myself with lethal force. I am arrested and later cleared.
5: In genuine fear for my life, I am forced to defend myself with lethal force. I am arrested and later convicted.
6: A combination of the above.

It's just running out of ways to be funny.

I mean, I have no connection to any unfortunate incidents that have occurred. I have no bitcoin wallet. I didn't receive any legal tender from anyone involved in this thread.

I dunno. It's getting to the point where I might just get on my alternate username and do some legitimate business. All of the intelligent people have moved on, and the more entertaining people don't have stones. =/

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

---

14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

---

126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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Blank. I am attributing this to tencevad           TheOrri    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK          finlof             2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

---

1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6
ryanAC refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 89ce197077de6b4cdd94957775e5c1da28bd0a585307fdcaecfc8091ee089231
designdream refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 61c9f966f118b81beb29a461a874082f9e1cac04739a8796e157146933b496de
wo0x refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 491e241cfcb8d564ba179bc69e77053e3b7aa5842770453cb4aca730f5f14586
dhenson refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 4fbb26cbe7ced9c50157714a900c38fdb7c514f5a453d2503db592b85c5fde3d


one of the unknown BTC addresses has come forward and provided the transaction ID -- This was finlof who is now in the table above. finlof please sign a message with your address to confirm!

tenecvad has very kindly given up his refund for now so can TheOrri please provide your BTC Address for refund


Backup List:
tenecvad
therealcos

TheFuneral.

Carleton.

I believe they also have complaints. Particularly Carleton. I believe his complaint stems from two days ago, give or take.

...After we were well into this thread. Some people don't read the forums. =/

My address for the refund is: 1mKXkntCBzuLEvNoencLTqT8cVZDjrgVg

A TON of respect for you, and you inspire me to the same for others in the future!

wanna throw some extra bitcoin into the mix so I can refund more people you, oh didn't steal, erm, procured from?

TheOrri refund inbound.

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

---

14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

---

126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

---

1mKXkntCBzuLEvNoencLTqT8cVZDjrgVg           TheOrri    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK          finlof             2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

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1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

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                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6
ryanAC refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 89ce197077de6b4cdd94957775e5c1da28bd0a585307fdcaecfc8091ee089231
designdream refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 61c9f966f118b81beb29a461a874082f9e1cac04739a8796e157146933b496de
wo0x refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 491e241cfcb8d564ba179bc69e77053e3b7aa5842770453cb4aca730f5f14586
dhenson refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 4fbb26cbe7ced9c50157714a900c38fdb7c514f5a453d2503db592b85c5fde3d
TheOrri refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 9508f058aa9292eb6e418744dc893fa23a2bb94cb097ddf7061929d4ae512386

one of the unknown BTC addresses has come forward and provided the transaction ID -- This was finlof who is now in the table above. finlof please sign a message with your address to confirm!

tenecvad has very kindly given up his refund for now so can TheOrri please provide your BTC Address for refund


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therealcos

You got more than enough out of me, Bitz. More than enough. Robin Hood. :P

Besides, I don't even have a wallet. This bitecoin thing is way over my head. Criptologic number current see hash brown generation? Sounds like a bunch of witchcraft. I'll stick to USD, thank you.

Anyway, maybe send them a PM, get their address.

Maybe PM Menig as well. Poor guy just asked me about Friedcat and a transfer.

He's a little late reading this thread. I'd direct him towards Friedcat, but I'm tired of this entire subject.

Damn Kruanic.

Just how much Bitcoin did you escape with?  :o

I still can't believe you have the nuts to come in and throw it in people's faces  ::)

1: You're spelling my name wrong on purpose, ass. -.-

2: I didn't "escape" with anything. What's a Bitcoin?

3: I'm not throwing anything. Menig may need your assistance, that's all I'm saying. Just trying to be at least slightly positive, despite being cancerous. :)

I'd guess (just guess) that there are about eighteen or nineteen people who should read this thread. Just off the top of my head.

Ah, so I am. Kruniac then......

so you've got away with around 55BTC then [including designdream] minus the 16.4 you sent me leaves you with probably, at least, 35-40BTC.

I shall do what I can to refund people.

so iam scammed to with this shit AsicMiners-Share... i paid him 2 BTC after he forwared me an Message that he send a Transfer-PM to friedcat:

i paid on 05.06. 2 BTC to 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz.

hier is a copy of this from my Bitcoin.de-Account:

"Menge:    2 BTC
Adresse:    14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
Transaktion-ID:    06b4c96ae20a4e97d106d43d10484a173d0a8f9a10e3bbe323058b9f3353f48e
Überwiesen am:    5. Juni 2013 09:30:50 CEST"

i was stupid enought to send the 2BTC without confirmation of the deal from friedcat.... hmpf....

Menig

Menig,

from which address did you send the bitcoin?

Hello BigBitz,

i send the Bitcoins from Bitcoin.de - they used the sending-Adress 18XvthXwC9KUKdC69oPhrPMYF5taeWk3nr (they rnd generated Adresses for each time when a member sends money somewhere)
me static Adress for getting payments is 14S2wx2zzj7aJz4gpJSvAXSAvYr9vyNBYi .

https://blockchain.info/de/address/14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz - 2013-06-05 07:30:51 - https://blockchain.info/de/tx/06b4c96ae20a4e97d106d43d10484a173d0a8f9a10e3bbe323058b9f3353f48e

best Regards
Menig

Menig sorry but unfortunately I cannot have a method of verifying you own that address as it's a randomly generated address I guess you cannot sign it nor accecpt payment back to that address?

Menig, I'll see about getting you some BTC. Just give me a while. If BigBitz can't help you, that is.

Kruniac?

I'm confused now...

You're offering to refund people?

i will believe that only after receiving a refund... ;)

I don't want to get into my reasons. And no one said it would be soon.


I'll see about helping you recover some of your misplaced coins in a paycheck or two.


I really need to stop reading my PMs. =/

I am confused too, supposedly you scam bitcoins and do legitimate trades to cash out.

But now you are sayiing perchance in the future you will mail-in rebate someone 2 BTC.

are you planning to .... procure more bitcoins to fund this charity?

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

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126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

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19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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1mKXkntCBzuLEvNoencLTqT8cVZDjrgVg           TheOrri    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK          finlof             2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

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1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

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1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

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                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6
ryanAC refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 89ce197077de6b4cdd94957775e5c1da28bd0a585307fdcaecfc8091ee089231
designdream refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 61c9f966f118b81beb29a461a874082f9e1cac04739a8796e157146933b496de
wo0x refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 491e241cfcb8d564ba179bc69e77053e3b7aa5842770453cb4aca730f5f14586
dhenson refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 4fbb26cbe7ced9c50157714a900c38fdb7c514f5a453d2503db592b85c5fde3d
TheOrri refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 9508f058aa9292eb6e418744dc893fa23a2bb94cb097ddf7061929d4ae512386
finlof refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 76308081a97400985ce42fcdaff6360cdeb6ce6dac9da9e77e16e733f313146b

tenecvad has very kindly given up his refund for now so this was passed to TheOrri


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therealcos

thx BigBitz.  krustiac - GL with the mob.  I'm outta this thread cause aint nobody got time for that.

Amazing, thank you!

Kruniac

Do the right thing and you reverse all the bad Karma.

Right. Let's not get all dramatic. I don't like getting poor English PMs with really miserable sad faces, that's all. Like:

::'( or something.


It makes me feel absolutely shit. At any rate, I'll see about helping out Menig if BigBitz can't use the Robin Hood fund for him. It's pretty sad that:

1: The man just found out about this.
2: He's watching other people get help recovering BTC.
3: He may not be eligible for this help because of some technicality involving his address.

That's just not right, and it has to make him feel like shit.


Anyway. Like I said, we'll see how things go. You may now resume hating. :)

What's pretty sad is you saw it fit to do this in the first place my friend.

No idea what you're talking about. Let's not slide back into the finger pointing and all of that. You know it's not going to get anyone anywhere. Now excuse me while I obliterate this 40 Oz of Mickeys and watch some Ten Brothers of Shaolin.

^ Ignore this BS.  Press on with your recovery plans.

Report it as a theft to the police.  File in the small claims court for the correct USD amount and then have a debt collector collect the debt.  Maybe you only get a third back after fees and whatnot but you'll feel so much better for doing it.

One day a scammer will fall and maybe we'll get less douchebags around here.  Let's make Kruniac the first. :)

Yeah, do that. Report intangible items as a theft.

THEN I want to see someone prove that I've ever had a wallet, and/or made transactions with that wallet.

THEN I want to see someone prove that I (me, myself, and I) have ever sent a message on IRC. Not anyone else in the house - me.

I could go down this road forever. You're weak. You have nothing on me. Cry foul - your voice echos in the dark.



This little hyper jackass just skipped over the entire legal process.

Reporting any action to the police is moot without sufficient evidence for the police to pursue that matter. You can do it, and at best you'll establish the tracings of a "pattern". That's all you'll get there.

File in small claims court? Fine. I'll destroy you. I want you to prove transfer of an intangible good to an anonymous wallet. Please. PLEASE.

You jumped right to "debt collector" like you're a badass. You're nothing. A debt collector could only get involved if a judgement were made in favor of the "victim". Even then, debt collection agencies tend to be annoying at worst.


Keep hanging on to your unicorn fairy-tale dreams. I cannot believe you're even a grown man with that attitude.



He has no recovery plans, you ignorant bastard. The guy PMed me, and I referred him here. He then said "a Scammer.... i wan't believe it.... ;(" <---- This about broke me. Believe it, don't believe it, that's not my concern. This is a sad, sad PM to get. =/

If Menig wants to convince BigBitz to include him in the Robin Hood fund, fine. If someone else gives him charity, fine. If not, and providing that I'm not needing the money for bills, I'll send him BTC. That's all there is to this post. This isn't about what has happened, but what happens.

I can't believe that people can be this negative, and this is coming from someone with a minimal conscience.

Kruniac,


Don't forget while high or drunk (or both) you have admitted multiple times in chat logs and pm and irc that you committed these frauds.

The internet doesn't forget.

Use the force for good Luke.

im in the list http://blockexplorer.com/tx/5dc3bd83575af28839cee615a6659b01b7f5c63c18a529191480656e6f742022

address:
19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui

message:
I broke my own bitcoin rules and did a non escrowed payment for AsicMiner share from KRUNIAC and was scammed 2.1 BTC.
This can be seen in transaction

Status: 1157 confirmations, broadcast through 36 nodes
Date: 6/5/2013 18:18
To: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
Debit: -2.10 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -2.1005 BTC
Transaction ID: 5dc3bd83575af28839cee615a6659b01b7f5c63c18a529191480656e6f742022

Sig:
IMnX3Xb7RiT7Wh3YRKYS7JV65f2yLMiigBb5289svFWhYahTp+61sqYcgDhZQjxbTWzVVZ8uv9b0UxvCXJQKals=

aspeer - message did not verify.

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui                 2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

---

126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

---

19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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1mKXkntCBzuLEvNoencLTqT8cVZDjrgVg           TheOrri    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK          finlof             2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

---

1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

---

1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

---

1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

---

1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

---

                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

                                                                                                  41.78663866          100%                         

Palantir13 refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f568f265a10de0c4e2b0c10c0388f96d16622e4e93148f8f7b65c2252bfd3ad6
ryanAC refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 89ce197077de6b4cdd94957775e5c1da28bd0a585307fdcaecfc8091ee089231
designdream refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 61c9f966f118b81beb29a461a874082f9e1cac04739a8796e157146933b496de
wo0x refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 491e241cfcb8d564ba179bc69e77053e3b7aa5842770453cb4aca730f5f14586
dhenson refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 4fbb26cbe7ced9c50157714a900c38fdb7c514f5a453d2503db592b85c5fde3d
TheOrri refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 9508f058aa9292eb6e418744dc893fa23a2bb94cb097ddf7061929d4ae512386
finlof refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: 76308081a97400985ce42fcdaff6360cdeb6ce6dac9da9e77e16e733f313146b
hwmax refunded -> Bitcoins sent! TXID: f204086ef7525679336fd271395e661dbf2f761791435fae1f0cb258321c4da1

tenecvad has very kindly given up his refund for now so this was passed to TheOrri


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therealcos

Unless you have a video or audio recording of me "admitting" to anything, you have -someone- typing -something- from -somewhere-. I'm not impressed.

You can keep logs of everything since the Lincoln Address - that's fine.

Essentially it works like this - when you can prove that it was ME (as in ME) that did something ILLEGAL (as in ILLEGAL without a Reasonable Doubt), then criminal charges can be pressed.

When you can prove that I legitimately OWE someone something, and can connect the dots of anonymous bitcoin transactions to me (as in ME), then a civil case could be won.



Now take both of those things, and blur the state jurisdictions. Also factor in that you don't even have an address for me. Also factor in that I'm moving within a week.

I mean, come on. Be serious. I know I'm an arrogant asshole, and I know that I've trolled you guys for no valid reason whatsoever, but really now. This is a joke. It's a terrible joke. Not the event - the threats. The childish threats and chest thumping. It's adults acting like wannabe legal badasses, when you're just private citizens like anyone else.

BCB - that "badass" you "warned" me about (we both know who) was actually a reasonable and down-to-earth guy, assuming he was being straight with me. There was nothing to "worry" about there. In fact, if I had the means, I'd soak up all of his coins @ 10% below spot to do him a favor. He's a good fella - not a braggart, not a badass - just an okay guy who has an interesting life.

But people like tencevad - getting all creepy and stalkerish. And for what? Because one too many people have escaped "justice"? Because he got called a name at some point? Because he's bored? Lewl.

You guys are worse than the Army. At least there I was dealing with legitimately intimidating legal standards. This is just laughable.


Now then. I'm going back to getting smashed and looking for apartments. :) I apologize if this post didn't make sense, and/or I used improper English.

Also watching The Master & The Kid. Yueh Hua - awesome. :)

Yawn.

Seems to me there's already enough information here to connect you personally to this forum nick.  If that is not already established, I suspect it soon will be.

There's zero doubt you contracted to sell ASICMiner shares to various forum members in exchange for bitcoins.  Proving the transfer of bitcoins to the address you gave is the easy bit.

Like it or not, this is no different to e.g. an ebay transaction.  A small claims court, when faced with the above, would grant summary judgment unless you could prove it didn't happen (i.e. the onus would be on you to prove you lost control of your forum account).  I doubt you'd even turn up to defend yourself.

Debt collectors exist to collect on judgments such as these.  That's quite literally what they do.  Nobody is being a badass talking about debt collectors ::), it's just the next step should judgment be given (and particularly useful where the respondent refuses to pay).

As for reporting this to the police, my bad, "theft" was a poor choice of words.  This is fraud. :)

:D

Sure you are.

DO IT. STOP TALKING AND DO IT.


Orly?


I dunno. I mean, you have some copy and pasted proof. Some screenshots that could have easily been doctored. This all sounds sketch to me. :)


This isn't rocket science. The IP logs of this forum would have to undergo subpoena to prove that a given IP address sent a PM to anyone with any particular bitcoin address. Then it has to be proven that the bitcoin address was used by me (me as a person, not as an anonymous entity). Before all of this, my ISP gets hit with a subpoena so my ISP account information is released. I can promise you that the information gained from that subpoena has nothing to do with me.




An eBay transaction has established precedences for security, payment, etc. This is not the case here.



I'm going to take a step back and admit this is a possibility. Given as a small claims court judgement is based on the personal purview of an arbiter, anything could happen.



You're not far off about this. It isn't worth my time or expense. :)



And fail, hence being a joke.


And fail, hence being a joke.


When you put them in the same line of reasoning as a theft report to the police, it seems that way. Debt collectors are annoying. I get more blood pressure flux just responding to this thread.


I agree. I might have been snappy with that portion of my response.


Prove it in court. End.



See, now if I prove this, I both set myself up for possible incrimination and harassment. I'll actually show some self-control (for a change) and let this one go. :)

I wasn't scammed, idiot. ;D

But that would definitely be my advice to those that were.  It only takes one to file, the others can be joined.  50BTC, or $5,000, that's more than enough for no recovery, no fee debt collectors.

Wrong. ::) Once you personally are linked to this nick - and it looks like someone has your bank details already, presumably from another transaction - it's enough that your nick sent the ASICMiner share for bitcoin messages.  Again, unless you can prove otherwise.  Good luck with that. :)

Wrong.  Your nick requested payment to that address, payment was sent to that addess.  The End.

I think you mean "precedents" but I fail see the relevance.  Do you mean it's easier to obtain a judgment in the case of an ebay scam? ???

Nope.

I really made that typo. Wow.

Yeah, enough for today.

I'm backing out of this argument. You win. You're absolutely right, and I'll get prison time and sued, etc. Blahblahblah.

I'll be back in ~6 hours. Sleep time. :)

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui

I, aspeer, broke my own bitcoin rules and did a non escrowed payment for AsicMiner share from KRUNIAC and was scammed 2.1 BTC. Transaction ID: 5dc3bd83575af28839cee615a6659b01b7f5c63c18a529191480656e6f742022

IKnHoXtdKrgK8lhEvbvap5W8aox/oGLrnxvif+OpJJZBLO/SL5hwMhBdESAvQCGmGSKUSXaBpnFBwJDiUtvl4vs=




damn windows linefeeds...

Error Verifying Message!



Sorry.

Recover Schedule

address                                                  owner   amount       total scammed    %            Recovered      Refund

19GwvcFKTuZBwh4ABiRE1h9WFdyEeAoVui   aspeer              2.1                 41.78663866           4%               16.4          0.706445911

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14Pxsxxx7ReLQAcyQuFRJv8mrV55pkquhK   ryanAC                       1.8                41.78663866      5%            16.4          0.824186896

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126j8PPXY7UPPJHH2kfFNdam1bTT4LQw5D                           2.2                41.78663866           5%        16.4          0.863433891

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19UL1FnWRK1XiZLYS496WmecxdTWziL4aq                   2.2            41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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Blank. I am attributing this to Palantir13          Palantir13    2.29663866        41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.901361661

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1mKXkntCBzuLEvNoencLTqT8cVZDjrgVg           TheOrri    2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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18kv4zXhULnT1QBtWxmrsjAXXHRQJ9xQQK          finlof             2.2                41.78663866           5%               16.4          0.863433891

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1PAjxHWkvwYQoayvyXAa95LDx6hbEMwUd5   hwmax       2.45                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.961551378

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1EeWPKoqFqGpkUdJoREULvsNimNmgmcMGD                  2.2                41.78663866           5%            16.4          0.863433891

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1Gp2zKedWteyz7nU2fc4dv3CeXDjvC4kYK         dhenson       2.4                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.941927881

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1vvvspdwBUqDZ2T5zVcoKbXGaTrk2uttd            wo0x           2.35                41.78663866           6%               16.4          0.922304383

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                                                           Design Dream  17.39                41.78663866           42%       16.4         6.825052437

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I have also been scammed by kruniac

No you haven't. GTFO.

Yes I have, What proof do you need?

Kruniac, this post shows you have some compassion. I think you experimented with scamming and now you find it doesn't sit right.

Now, with all this hostility against you, it seems there's no way back for you - but there is my friend. All you have to do to sleep well at night is say 'fuck it', pay the people back what you took from them - it'll hurt - yes - but you will gain kudos. Create a new account. Start again. Lesson learned = I could be a scammer - sure - if I wanted - but didn't feel right - made me feel bad - something wrong about it like kicking a puppy.

What proof?

Unlike this guy who will never learn ^^^

Wow.
2 signed messages by the owner of the ASICMiner share (Kruniac). The first, promising to transfer upon receipt of payment. The other a signed statement requesting transfer of the share. Nobody but the owner of that address (and therefore that ASICMiner share) could have made these promises, received payment for the deal, and then failed to successfully fulfill the terms of the deal.

Lesson learned: use escrow.  The reason I didn't was because I felt a that over the previous week I had dealings with Kruniac.  He had trusted me in a deal worth more and I assumed he was an honest person looking to trade on #bitcoin-otc and his reputation there was worth more than the 1.8 BTC he would steal from me.  Multiply by 20 and now I see how easily this type of scam can happen.

From Kruniac:
--------MESSAGE--------
When the payment of 1.8 BTC is received by the address of : 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

A transfer request will be sent to Friedcat for one (1) ASICMiner direct share.

The request will be made on behalf of the user ryanAC, controlling the address: 14WzWD9GP2Zq93h935JkhqY3dK91UtiyDv
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Sig: HyD7yFtPR8KeqvzJZ6Hzd6M6yEZ576nfl1lRcNwZ8Ev0/QqrB/HCgovoe4rVgkG8nWFkp9lVuwJi9IRewsxPIM4=

From Kruniac:
--------MESSAGE--------
My username is Kruniac (As you can see), controlling Bitcoin address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
I received one (1) share of ASICMiner via an auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


I'd like to transfer ownership of my ASICMiner share to:

User: ryanAC
Address: 14WzWD9GP2Zq93h935JkhqY3dK91UtiyDv
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Signature:H2/88WCvcOR1z6q2u9NxJz1sAN1iE0Q80HAWdrvVM8zNsO0mQJzZVE5iRQ+VK7A9bTHDE9o+bT99ORJHK/0yRXE=

Since MD carry permits are known to be unobtainium without bribery, let's put 2 and 2 together; you're basically saying you could get away with murder because you've paid off the government. Congrats.

That's probably the most cynical statement I've read in the past week. I also feel that's a broad generalization (although the spirit of your statement is spot on about gun control in this state) regarding the current laws here.


The apartment search continues. Dun dun dunnnnn.

It's my birthday! :D

Have a great party tonight Garrott, I mean that.

You may as well as it's the last party you'll be celebrating without your new friends.

Not even going to point out how stupid you are. :D

I got an apartment lined up earlier this evening, and I'm feelin' pretty damn good. :D

I hope you enjoy LA! Or was that all lies and fabrication ?

The irony is that I don't believe that I've lied about or fabricated any portion of my personal life (that I can think of). It's not something that I've felt the need to do. I don't lie about my living situation, my military record, or my employment.

And yeah, LA should be pretty awesome. This will be my second time on the west coast, and it's really beautiful out there. It'll take me a year to acclimate to the new weather. I've lived in Maryland my entire life. :)

Military record? :D

The photos earlier in the thread are proof positive that AT BEST you have a prison record. More likely, you have a permanent record on a sex offenders register somewhere.

Putting aside the scams for a second, you actually seem quite smart.  Bored, perhaps, enough to be toying with people even now, but smart!  Sadly, smart is no guarantee in life.  Relatively intelligent people, through no fault of their own - whether it be the cards they are dealt, undue influence of family or friends or a physiological imbalance of some sort - regularly fail in life.  They are either less capable or sociable or personable or just plain unlucky.  Society can't fix it, the internet can't fix it.  Being smart - having at least that tool available to you - yet still failing and not understanding how or why your life is the way it is?  It must be soul destroying.

Get your pleasures where you can, I guess. :-\

13B Army Reg., B Btry, 1/40 FA, Ft. Sill, OK.


Not at all. Any simple background check would show this. I've never been in any trouble with any law enforcement agency. :)


See above. You're just trolling now. I've never been in any kind of legal trouble whatsoever.


Okie.


I agree with this statement.


Things are pretty awesome over here. I have trouble saving cash (I always manage to find something to toss it into), and even more trouble staying positively motivated towards long term goals. My long term goal of relocating, getting a place for my girl and I to be together, and branch out had stalled.

Luckily, due to some stroke of good fortune, I managed to scavenge some funds in a two to three day period. Now I'm on my way!

It's almost like a movie. Being almost down and out. Suddenly coming into cash. Music starts playing. Pick out an apartment (finalizing it today), ordering the plane ticket. Broad is all excited and dreamy eyed. It's pretty cliche. With my luck, I'll get shot tonight at my birthday bash.

Now THAT would be Hollywood. :D

You seem to have a LARGE problem believing legitimate and plausible things. This isn't "I can turn your 0.5 BTC into 1.0 BTC. Trust me." This is me. Just me.

You didn't believe I was moving "within a week" - I should be out of here Tuesdayish.

You don't believe I have a military record - if you know anyone in the Army who has contacts with recruiters, look me up. I did a stretch in 06. No big deal, nothing fancy. Pull string go boom 13B at Ft. Sill. Nothing to brag about, just another thing to state.


So while I've been open and honest about these particulars about me, you seem more than happy to make random shit up. Prison records, sex offender, blah blah blah. You're a fucking child throwing stones because you can't touch me otherwise.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'm surprised no one has labeled me a "fat 12 year old" or threw down the "you live in your mom's basement" or something.


Here's the end of the story. You're sitting there, acting like a child, making up stories and throwing obscene accusations. I'm sitting here paid. Got that? Paid.

I'm going to be taint deep in a pretty hot chick in about five days (give or take), trying not to die from heat exhaustion due to the change in weather. You're still going to be living in fairy tale land involving super detectives, lawsuits that never occur, and other fantasies.

I'll be going back to my normal daily, which (although this isn't exactly bragging material) involves coding for 4-6 hours a day, watching movies, playing a plethora of video games, and generally enjoying my life. Hell, with the change in venue, I'll probably hit Das Bunker or something, tear up Universal, and hit the beach.

So you go ahead. Make your little shit comments about "prison records". Laugh at how I "lie" about everything. I hope that somewhere in your mind, that laughter gradually fades into the echos of nothing - no one is laughing. No one is joking. I'm having an almost cheesy ending, everyone else is gnashing teeth and fantasizing about justice.

Take that with you on your way to your normal day. :)

:'(

Why so serious?  My last post was mostly me displaying some sympathy and clearly those were not genuine allegations.  I'm surprised you didn't get that. ???

$5,000 does not equal "paid". :(

If you hadn't already failed, you would know that.  You would either be happy with your lot in life - clearly you are not - or you would have enough that a scam such as this wouldn't even cross your mind.

But wait!  You'll be "deep in a pretty hot chick" in about five days' time! ::) Fuck me, you're a broken individual.  Sorry to be so blunt, but the hints of self-loathing are, frankly, tragic.  Again, you are who you are, probably through no fault of your own.  I get that.  But apportioning blame  - whether to yourself, society, the internet, scam victims or women - really doesn't get you anywhere. :(

On a brighter note - and the one thing I will give you (two if you take the compliment about being smart) - CA is beautiful.  It has everything - permanently sunny, of course, but skiing, beaches, wine country, heck even Vegas - I'll be heading that way myself, hopefully within two years.  Whether you are moving or not - and traffic notwithstanding - LA was a good choice.

(FYI for anyone genuinely interested in pursuing a claim against Kruniac: it wouldn't matter if he moved to Alaska, the old address would be enough! :))

I wrote a large post to this, and then I realized...


Lawl.

What'd you do to get kicked out? There's no such thing as <1 year contracts in the Army.

Good luck getting a CCW in California, especially in LA. You're more likely to find gold buried in your backyard.

He already implied that he bribed Maryland officials to give him a CCW (unobtainium for law-abiders). He'll probably do the same here, with all his scammed funds.

Am I still getting reimbursed?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=120425

To the shitcan with your trust.

Psychoed out, unfortunately.


No, I didn't. You implied that. I stated a fact. You made an inference.


I'm well aware. =/ The best I can do is a home piece. I'm not happy about that, but I don't write the legislation.


More grossly wild speculation. No evidence to back any of these wild theories up. Just blahblahblah. XD


I've already done business on my other username. Went smooth. No problems. This name is forever associated with distrust and insane accusations. That's fine.

I noticed that no one from this community showed up to my party at West End. Most unfortunate. I was pretty wound up - actually only had two shots and two beers to keep myself somewhat grounded in case some shit jumped off.

Pretty disappointing. On the other hand, it was pretty fun. Feeling pretty old now. :P

What's pretty disappointing is that you're low enough to go and scam people for money, rather than earning it legitimately. It isn't hard to get of your ass, I wonder what your parents think about you being an asshole?

1: I haven't scammed anyone.

2: I have a legitimate job.

3: I don't speak with my parents too often - I'm 29.

Just a reminder that this is who we are dealing with here. ;D

Kruniac, you seem like a smart guy, so I wonder how you fail to realize the immorality of your deed.

How do you fail to see that most of us here, most of the people you took money from without sending an ASICMiner share to, are guys between 17 and 30 years old, many of us students struggling to pay bills just like you do. We're invested in bitcoin because we believe in an idea, and because we hope to make some money on the side for the future.

Do you really want to tell me you don't know that whoever is here to buy one or two shares of ASICMiner is rich and deserves (or can afford) to be tricked out of 200 dollars?

Come on man, be a man and pay back what isn't rightfully yours. Don't you see that people are hopefully holding on to their chairs in the chance that they might get 0.8 BTC back? Are these really the kind of people you want to scam? If you don't have respect, at least have a conscience.

Did you have a secure-designated sauna?

Old picture. I've gained weight. -.- Going from eating ramen and rice to actually stuffing myself regularly has taken it's toll.


First off - What deed? (etc)

Also, if I did do something "immoral", wouldn't it make more sense that I simply don't care, rather than I fail to realize that it's immoral? Or that I justify every action I take to myself somehow? I don't even want to imagine what kind of personality disorder would cause someone to literally not realize an immoral action.


Okay.


And that sucks. Honestly.


Some of you. Others are businessmen.


Sure. And some of you buy blocks of shares. Some of you bid on 50 shares @ 2.5 BTC. No. Give me some of that. I have REAL bills to pay, not "investment money" to throw around. Now, given that I'm not a beggar, and that I either work for my money, or take it (which is work, believe me), there's really only one way to get a piece of that action.

Man, do you think that if I could just drop $1,000, lay in the cut, and make out okay I wouldn't? Of course I would. But the fact of the matter is this - I am at that awkward point in Bitcoin investment between "too poor to do it" and "has the capital to make some serious investments". I can buy a chunk, and starve for a month before seeing a payout. No thank you. Rent.


This was a helluva sentence. I don't even...

Do I really want to tell you I don't know that whoever... I don't even.

I'll tell you that if you want to climb mountains, you'll fall every so often. Swim in the ocean, you can get bitten by a shark. Walk down an alley, you could get killed. Play in Bitcoins, you can get scammed. I don't know how else to say it. If I get taken for 20 BTC one day, it's a cost of doing business. It's akin to getting gutshot in a motel when dealing coke. It's part of the business. If you were dealing in diamonds, human suffering would most likely be part of the business. Insider trading is part of Wall Street. Scammers are part of bitcoins. It's not PERFECT, but it's REALITY.

If someone is starving because they lost 2 BTC, then why did they invest their last $200 in BTC? This is a gamble, it's not a sure thing. Anyone could buy bulk drugs and resell them for 200% markup. Most people don't. Why? It's a risk. You NEVER, EVER rely on getting by on risks. That's just irresponsible. The majority of people willing to buy shares aren't buying one at a time. They are buying twenty. They have coins to toss around. They aren't starving. They aren't getting evicted. They're fine.

The only exception I'll make to that statement is the off chance that someone gets hurt/killed because they couldn't explain the loss of BTC to whoever fronted them the coins. An unlikely situation, but it could happen.


I didn't vanish like a Nigerian. I didn't lie to any one at any time about who I am. I made an offer for a diplomatic meeting to any who felt like making the trip. I've been a "man" about this from the beginning. Perhaps a disrespectful and/or immature "man", but a "man" nonetheless.


1: You're implying that I've stolen something. This is not true. I have never stolen anything from anyone in my entire life. :)

2: If I could toss around money whenever I feel like it, I would fill 60% of the loan requests on the forums, set up charities for people who have been scammed, AND pay back every one in this thread at 150% interest. You can call BS on this, but when LordOfTime and SubZero from OTC loaned me a small amount of BTC for shipping costs on a few items I wanted, I paid back at 200% the MOMENT I had the means to do so. I'm more "honorable" than any of you marks think I am, you just don't know that part of me.

The pecking order in my life goes like this.

1: Myself and my girl.
2: Family.
3: Friends and the needy.
3: Associates and random people.

That's how my money has ALWAYS been spent. I grew up observing totally selfless acts of charity (redneck charity - random deer meat/bologna, pawn hoss, etc) from my family to others. My father always tossed me a little money on the weekends to rent a movie or game, even though he could barely afford his home. Generosity is a part of what I believe in.

That having been said, I'm not selfless. I do not put others before me and mine. I do not believe in depriving myself for the benefit of "justice", "charity", or "honor". As always, this isn't a popular viewpoint, but it's the real world.



I'm sure some are. They should stop doing that, for everyone's benefit.


1: I do not want to scam anyone, nor have I ever scammed anyone, etc.

2: No. Absolutely not.


This is something that I literally cannot just "do". You cannot "have" a conscience one day. I don't have one, to my knowledge. If I do, it hits me at random times, and certainly not regularly. Take the Menig situation for example. I'm a bit of a sadist, but some things do in fact make me sad to see. I dunno. It's something I don't want to get into a huge debate about.


Anyway. I'll tell you what. If I sink my teeth into a good long-term project and pull in my usual ~5-7k/month, I'll toss a few BTC around. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I'll clear all debts at 120%. Again, you don't HAVE to believe this, but if I'm making stupid money, I get generous. If I'm broke, I get predatory. That's just the way I am, and always will be.


20 bodyguards. Sliding walls. Snipers. Oh, we went wild with security.

So is this how you see the BTC we've sent you? A debt you owe? 

I understand and to some extent accept that all living things behave this way, it's instinct-driven. But I can't approve of it in humans, especially not in educated ones. And you know why? Because you know your pecking order is wrong. You can't generalize "random people" as a group of mindless sheep. You don't know those random people, you don't know their story or how good or shitty their life is. Why should you treat them like they aren't as human as you? Where would we be if all the people we knew behaved this way? If your family didn't respect others and didn't show you goodness, if your dad didn't care about you as a kid more than those bucks he gave you?

I think you can only do this (and don't say 'do what?', it's getting old and you know it) so easily because you don't see any of us, we're just some text on a forum. But these are real people. It's 250 dollars you took from me man... I work my ass off to be able to put that kind of money on the side. I'm writing my master's thesis right now, I leave home at 8 am and return at 11 pm, I'm stomped, and now I have to spend time checking this forum every hour hoping that you'll have the decency to give it back.

Yes, Bitcoin is risky. You should only risk what you can afford to lose, bla bla. But I can assure you I would have never dreamed of losing 250 dollars in a day. And I'm not the only one in this situation here. There may be some who were dealing with 50 shares, but that doesn't excuse you. And this, too, you know.

Have some advice: Move to the UK, job done

Get student loan, get finance degree, become investment banker, make £100k per year easily. Then give back this, which will seem measly.

It's not actually hard to make big cash, rather than "scamming", or whatever you want to call it.

I guess next some clueless idiot wants to know why random nobodies don't get any benefit of the doubt starting "securities" I'll just link him here.

If someone takes a dollar from you, they owe you a dollar, right? Meaning they are indebted to you for a dollar. It doesn't matter if there was an agreement to give back a dollar, or if they put a gun in your face - they are indebted to you for a dollar. If a person hands me a dollar, I'm still indebted to them for one dollar. If a person LOANS me a dollar, it's the same. If they drop it by mistake and I take it, it's the same thing.


Yerp.


This is where you and I are going to massively disagree. :)


I can. I do. Most sociopaths do. Humans are animals, pure and simple. The majority of which are worthless animals at that. This is how I view the world. It's a viewpoint, not a fact to be debated. The irony is that while I don't have any feelings towards a random human, I can have emotions towards random animals. :) So let's say that humans are a SPECIAL kind of animal.


Nor do I care. That isn't my problem, and their life doesn't interest me. In fact, most people don't have "lives" in my eyes. They just exist for as long as I'm interacting with them. It's not a healthy worldview - I understand this. But it is the way it is. I don't complain.


I don't. I'm an animal too. Doesn't matter if it's food, a woman, business, or friendly conversation, I look at the world through a predatory lens. It's just the way it is.


In a more interesting world. Admittedly, I'd be just another animal snuffed out in that world, but still. It would be interesting.


And we see how much good that's done. :)


No. You're things in the world. Some of you are useful, others are random things, but you're all just like me. You have families, stories, homes, bills, etc. I don't see why you would think that I don't consider you "people". You're getting the same version of me that others around me get. I'm actually a riot at parties.


I didn't take any dollars from anyone. If someone could prove otherwise, I'd be more than interested. If ANYONE can prove that I have defrauded ONE person of US Dollars, let me know. We both know why I'm saying this, so let me also toss in here that I understand what you're saying.


The irony is that I don't. I make that in ~8 hours of coding something random. Probably a dropdown list of items or something. Maybe do some backend stuff.

I don't say that to be rude - at one point $250 was something that I WOULD NEVER have in my bank account. I understand how it is to scrimp and save, and to be on your ass. I really do. In fact, right now (due to some moves) and before this entire misunderstanding, I was exactly that - flat on my ass. Three cents in the bank, waiting for a task to free up I could jump on it and work.

Hell, I'll be more or less flat on my ass again in about a week, due to certain expenses. Hopefully I'll be back up in a month or so.


1: I have 0 Bitcoins.

2: I don't have the USD to purchase Bitcoins right now.


I wrote a long monologue about you being naive, but I deleted it. I don't know what I can say to this.


I'm almost positive that (while I haven't done anything wrong or illegal, etc) I haven't tried to excuse myself. You'd probably be better off chalking this up as "He's an evil person."

I know a guy who ran a broad from the UK for ~$1,800 USD - her life savings. It took weeks of pandering, false promises, disgusting romantic interactions. She was obese, had no self-esteem, cut herself, and was an alcoholic.

$200 for a "passport". More for "expediting". More for a "flat". Beastmode predation clicked on, and this guy I know just ran with it. The truly horrifying thing was the feeling in his chest as the poor mark got deeper and deeper into the trap.

The reason? He didn't have any marketable skills after getting out of the Army, had extreme paranoia and anxiety attacks, wouldn't leave his apartment, and his girlfriend at the time was not working enough hours at a slavewage job. Rent. The rent. It's always about the rent. I hear he has since gotten much better. It was a one time hit, one person (and her boyfriend, and probably immediate family) suffered, and that was it.

Frankly, there are some people (just some) in this world that will drown you so they can breathe. It's never personal - ever. It's just the way it is.


I mean, sure. Or I could just code. The latter is less risky. :)


I agree. This is why I'm against "scamming", or any kind of illicit activities.



Anyways. Like I said, we'll see what happens. I enjoy these conversations, but none of these meaningful exchanges is going to put BTC in my wallet to hand out. If there's any kind of charity work going to occur, it will be when I'm at no risk of being homeless by dropping USD on BTC. It's that simple.

Now I gotta get some pay stubs for this apartment thing. Ugh. First world problems.


I kept writing and deleting responses to this. But all I can say is "Lewl."

This thread is fucking nuts.

How is the civil action coming? Do the parties interested in filing want to Skype or something?

Thread = surprisingly riveting read

-- "Riveting", says Mahav of bicointalk.org.

-- "Truly worth the luls." - Kruniac of The New York Times.

Just imagine if sites like Facebook or Twiter, or even Skype had a trust rating system and labels for certain members.  That would be hilarious. 
Kruniac what is your "other" username?

This Kruniac guy is a piece of work. Wow.

Where is instant karma when you need it ?

Its already in effect. Dude is a complete failure and his own parents struggle to find anything to be proud of in him. :D

Keyboard warriors armed to the teeth inbound to your place of employment as I type.

Definitely will be keeping tabs on how this plays out. If there's any precedent to be set, it's the level of brazenness in this scammer's scheme

There's always the hair.

@OP: Dude, cut it. There's people making wigs for cancer victims paying about as much as you owe for about as much as you've got. It's a win-win resolution, you'll look less like a retarded douche who figures satanism is the answer, a bunch of retarded douches "investing" on an internet forum get their butts back and buy that double soda they passed on in order to save, invest and become interwebs magnates, and some cancer patient somewhere will get to wear hair again.

I cannot do business with that username if it's linked to me.


False.


False. You have no proof of this. You're ignorantly throwing out attacks because you're helpless. Your opinions do not matter. Your judgements involving other people's success do not matter. You might as well not exist. Poof.


Orly. :)


Noooooo sir. Not only do I like it, but my girlfriend digs it. You don't cross the females. XD

he also uses the nick DrBms on IRC.

Not any more. All three nicks on IRC landed me a nuke. I don't come around OTC any more for that reason.