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Title: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 12, 2013, 05:30:09 PM Hi, this thread is dedicated to the second of my great pillars on how to support Bitcoin in 2013 - The Supernode
It is best to think of this as a very real instance of a Alternate Reality Live Action Role Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game). Just jump in by buying bitcoins, start to act as if they had tremendous value (which will cause them to have the value) and take your role as a Nobleman or Freeman! The power is there for grabs! The registration fee is 0.5% of your bitcoins and that already buys you many things. We literally divide the world among us. Be prepared to spend 5% of your bitcoins annually on the game - flight, hotel and restaurant expenses, general living according to your lot, meetups and other marketing. Note: You are also expected to setup bitcoin businesses and you will have the chance to make the money back with interest. If not, at least the 95% are very much more valuable because of the interest you have been keeping up with the Supernode lifestyle. Jun 13: Bitcoin Capability Classification (BCC) is a general scale for classifying the capability of people in the Bitcoinworld. The system is logarithmic. It encompasses the previous Supernode classification. ULTRANODES 00-05 unestablished regal titles (one or more) 06-10 Duke (approx. min. 10,000,000mBTC and behaves like that) HYPERNODES 11-15 Prince (approx. min. 3,000,000mBTC and behaves like that) 16-20 Marquis (approx. min. 1,000,000mBTC and behaves like that) SUPERNODES 21-25 Earl (approx. min. 300,000mBTC and behaves like that) 26-30 Viscount (approx. min. 100,000mBTC and behaves like that) Everything above this will collectively be called "Supernodes". Everything below this will never be called "Supernodes" so make sure to acquire and hold the 100 bitcoins required, if you want to be numbered in the Register of Supernodes! :) Now they are so cheap. Bitcoins, I mean. MININODES 31-35 Baron (approx. min. 30,000mBTC and behaves like that) 36-40 Baronet (approx. min. 10,000mBTC and behaves like that) 41-45 Knight (approx. min. 3,000mBTC and behaves like that) FREEMEN 46-50 Freeman 1st class (approx. min. 1,000mBTC) 51-55 Freeman 2nd class (approx. min. 300mBTC) 56-60 Freeman 3rd class (approx. min. 100mBTC) 61-65 Freeman 4th class (approx. min. 30mBTC) 66-70 Freeman 5th class (approx. min. 10mBTC 71-75 Freeman 6th class (approx. min. 3mBTC These guys (above) are about 300 million in number, and hold more bitcoins than an average person in the world. More than 90% of the coins will be held by them, so the inequality of distribution of liquid wealth will stay, should minicoin reach $300 quickly. 76-80 Freeman 7th class (approx. min. 1mBTC 81-85 Freeman 8th class (approx. min. 0.3BTC 86-90 Freeman 9th class (approx. min. 0.1BTC 91-95 Freeman 10th class (less than 0.1mBTC but can take care of himself) THE DESTITUTE 96-100 The Destitute People who are destitute cannot take care of themselves, for which reason the other must take care of them. It depends on the climate, political system (e.g. minimum wage), relative living standard and acceptable living standard for a destitute, how many there are. It can be up to 20% but can be as few as 2% of the population, how many are destitute. Currently even "the destitute" in Finland can typically buy several hundreds or thousands mBTC with different kinds of social aid. After a few months they are very well off. But we will have another group of destitutes soon when the Government money runs out. ::END:: My previous developments on the matter: Quote Apr 22: First Class Bitcoin Supernode - Sovereign ability to run, manage and develop the Bitcoin network in absence of any other entities. - 24/7 monitoring, technical, and trading ability, connections with most relevant Bitcoin power centers, accounts in all relevant exchanges - Global operation, capacity to set up activities in most jurisdictions with minimum lead times, access to all specialists (bankers, lawyers, tech) globally - Able to generate its own funding indefinitely regardless of bitcoin exchange value, or backed by an entity wealthy enough to support the operations indefinitely in absence of cash flow from operations - Minimum full-time staff in command&control structure: 5-10 Second Class Bitcoin Supernode - Able to run, although probably not effectively develop, the Bitcoin network in absence of other entities. The end user of Bitcoin will notice if the service level falls to the second class. This will lead to delays and blackouts of important services. - Real-time alerts in place to activate the relevant parts of the organization if something worth their effort happens in Bitcoinworld. Position management in multiple trading platforms, good connections to several other supernodes. - Can project force to other jurisdictions, albeit with considerable effort and lead time - Can function independently of external funding as long as Bitcoin's price does not totally collapse, (or has enough external funding to not care) - Minimum number of dedicated permanent staff: 2-3 Third Class Bitcoin Supernode - May or may not run a Bitcoin node, cannot likely summon the resources to fix the protocol if need be, may be entirely non-tech - Actively follows what happens in Bitcoinworld. Reasonably well connected to at least some other supernodes. - Mainly a local operation. - Owns enough bitcoins, income-generating bitcoin or other businesses, or other assets, to continue operations at the desired level infinitely (note - the marginal cost of operation on this level is essentially zero) - Minimum number of people: 1 part-time - In order to be classified as a supernode, there either needs to be a good number of bitcoins in possession, mining capacity, bitcoin tradership, dealership or other business or publishing organisation. Capability of a Supernode The capability of a Bitcoin supernode can be expressed in a pseudologarithmic scale from 0.0 to 5.0., where - 1.0 is an essentially perfect small operation - 3.0 is the threshold of being classified as a supernode - 5.0 is an interested newbie smart enough to understand the basics. I have been trying to explain the transition of Bitcoin from the alpha/beta stage to the mainstream. I developed the supernode framework to give the reader some understanding of the magnitude of the change that we are undergoing. As I see it, any of the public power centers of Bitcoinworld, do not currently even qualify to the first class. This can be readily observed by the number of scams and hacks, and inadequate organizational and financial resources of most of the actors. There are currently hundreds of organizations in the world, capable of developing a 1.0 supernode in 3-6 months, if they decide to enter in. None of the current (public) players possesses such an ability now, and even though many may be interested, their rate of capability increase (the time in days, to move one decimal in the supernode capability scale) is behind that of the potential new entrants. 2013 will be an interesting year, for the mainstream adoption and price appreciation of course, but also for some serious behind-the-scenes action. I realize that most people have a difficulty of understanding that bitcoin's price does not have a stable value between $0 and $300k (in fact I only myself realized it a week ago!), and because of this new understanding how the bitcoin power network functions, the probability of it going to zero is rather slim indeed. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 12, 2013, 05:30:32 PM Bitcoin Supernode Alternate Reality Game
Do you want to just update your life? Start to live in the age of great men and great machines, intertwined with the modern communication technology. Then Bitcoin Supernode Game is for you. The more you buy bitcoins, the more important role you will have in the world, as bitcoin relentlessly rises above its true value of around $300k/mBTC and comes back. The Bitcoin Supernode Game eases in the transition - you are already acting as a ruler, so it is possible that you will be promoted even above your actual holdings when everybody sees that Bitcoin is the thing. I do not currently know how long we need to play. The longer, the more fun. I personally think Bitcoin's rise will happen in violent episodes which see the price going up from (USD/BTC is used for clarity) 0.06 to 0.36 (6x, 10-11/2010), 0.20 to 1.06 (5x, 12/2010-2/2011), 0.67 to 31.99 (46x, 4-6/2011), and 13.5 to 267 (20x, 1-4/2013). It is important to capture these supermoves, and because you don't know when a supermove will commence, you better stay all in all the time. We cannot get from 100 to 300000 in one supermove, that is for sure. For the game, we need to decide the gamemaster team first. They will have somewhat different role than the players. Is there anyone who wants to join me? The players will be noblemen in different levels. I cannot write a convincing story even though I have in mind, help me!! :-[ Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 06:22:42 AM Quote 3. REACTIVATION OF RPIETILA SUPERNODE Rpietila supernode may be reactivated as follows: Rpietila summons a general supernode meeting. The invitation must provably be sent to the following people 168 hours prior to the scheduled opening time of the meeting (number of votes in parentheses): Paul (9), Erki (8), Frank (7), Jaakko (7), Iiro (7), Vesa (7), Lauri (6), Mikko (5), Roni (5), Heikki (4), Jochen (3), Taimar (3). After the minimum of 72 hours of uninterrupted deliberation (no other people except rpietila's staff with his permission may enter the area designated as secure), the participants present may vote for the reactivation of the supernode. Rpietila has no vote, but can veto the affirmative decision of the others (and they may set up a supernode themselves). Rpietila may deny partial attendance to the summit, it is all or nothing. The participants receive no compensation whatsoever, except room and board. Minimum 3 people except rpietila must be present to activate the supernode. If 30 days elapses from the moment that rpietila has last made personal physical contact to minimum 3 of the above people simultaneously, earlier orders are in force. It does not matter what rpietila's condition is, as long as the others may enter and exit at will. When I went to hibernation, I deactivated my supernode quite totally. Even though I unhibernated my self yesterday, we will need to call a general supernode meeting to officially take back the supernode powers. That will be realistic in the first week of June the earliest. I am not in a hurry myself. The most important reason (for an opening meeting to be so heavy) is: A: I must be able to summon the participants (if not, there will be no supernode without staff anyway ;) ) B: The participants need to have 72 hours to examine my mental situation (whether I am able to run a supernode or not). Running a class 10 supernode ("Duke") costs me at least $100-$200k per month. If I reactivate my old businesses but no supernode, my costs will run in about $15-$20k per month. There is also an opportunity for a half/half resolution and activation of a lower class (15 or 20) supernode, and that will be discussed. Problem is that with my current medication I am hardly able to organize anything that would bring in the money, and therefore the hospital staff don't want me to organize things that would increase my cost side. I am on a sick leave until June 30 anyway. Most of the time before that I will spend in the hospital with hopefully my communications intact. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 08:23:50 AM Practical considerations
1. Many of the large holders (1,000,000 & up, I estimate there are 1000 such people) of bitcoins are rather weak organizationally. The classification points to them, that they either need to sell their bitcoins proportionally when the price rises, or start to phase out their work unrelated to Bitcoin and even start employ people related to Bitcoin. 2. The classification opens up better networking possibilities for those, who do not think that the anonymity of some of their Bitcoin requires anonymity of all of their bitcoins (think cash as an example, everybody has a bank account, but may still use cash unanonymously or anonymously). Actually the best way to hide your clandestine bitcoin uses is to have large legit traffic. As a long-time silver dealer I have had many opportunies to use cash illegitemately, because for me it is everyday to have about $10-50k in physical cash (never done that of course). At least this maps the network of rather many public Bitcoin users, so that the unmapped anonymous holders can plan their moves. 3. We need to have uniform communication modes across Bitcoinworld. This has the potential to rather soon establish the Bitcoin User not affected meme to something bold, resembling a diplomatic passport in physical world matters. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 08:42:19 AM Castles in the sky man. But hey, it's fun right? This exactly is the idea. If we make enough people to join in, they will make enough to join in, and then we do have many castles and not only in the sky but also in Long Island, and Bourgogne ;D Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 09:23:39 AM 05 and above (30000+BTC) set their own title - approx 20 can exist in the world
10 Duke(10000BTC) - approx 70 exist 15 Prince(3000BTC) - approx 200 exist 20 Marquis(1000BTC) - approx 700 exist 25 Earl(300BTC) - approx 2000 exist 30 Viscount(100BTC) - approx 7000 exist There is now and will be in the foreseeable future about 10,000 [7,000...15,000] people who own more than 100,000mBTC. This is a mathematical fact. The form or the top of the pyramid is already there, although most of the names will change during Bitcoins rise from 0.1 to $1000 and back. 35 Baron(30,000mBTC) - approx 20,000 exist 40 Baronet(10,000mBTC) - approx 70,000 exist 45 Knight(3,000mBTC) - approx 200,000 exist 50 Freeman 1st cl.(1,000mBTC) - approx 700,000 exist Many of these people also exist now, and their number will likely increase somewhat when bitcoin goes mainstream. 55 Freeman 2nd cl.(300mBTC) - approx 2,000,000 exist 60 Freeman 3rd cl.(100mBTC) - approx 7,000,000 exist 65 Freeman 4th cl.(30mBTC) - approx 20,000,000 exist 70 Freeman 5th cl.(10mBTC) - approx 70,000,000 exist 75 Freeman 6th cl.(3mBTC) - approx 200,000,000 exist 80 Freeman 7th cl.(1mBTC) - approx 700,000,000 exist 85 Freeman 8th cl.(0.3mBTC) - approx 1,200,000,000 exist 90 Freeman 9th cl.(0.1mBTC) - approx 1,500,000 exist 95 Freeman 10th cl. - approx 1,200,000 exist Currently this group numbers in millions, but it should number in billions. We need to let them develop more services in Bitcoinworld to make this segment of world population benefit from Bitcoin more. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 10:12:29 AM I think I qualify for Destitute Node at the moment. When I can find work for bitcoins I expect to level up well into the Freeman classes quickly though. When I have 0.1 bitcoin I will be Freeman 3rd class already, is that correct? That's quite a jump. People could easily become Freemen if there were more services or jobs in the bitcoin economy. You can easily find work in this forum if you can code. If there are any supernodes or mininodes in your locality doing anything, you can find they pay several mBTC per hour. It is the whole point of the exercise that people should become independent of their current masters (PTB) and become Freemen instead. It does not require so many mBTC when one mBTC equals a room for month in an inn. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 10:14:21 AM How to become a Supernode?
Currently this thread is just a collection of my notes that I made during my hospitalization. So there is not yet a way to become supernode except setting up one yourself. I can think of the following schemes, but my own health does not necessarily allow me an important role so somebody needs to catch the ball from here. 1. One way is to realize that you are the coolest guy around and create a Duke D.G. from yourself (By the Grace of God, Henry, 1st Duke of Michigan). Then continue doing cool stuff, finding vassals and making diplomatic missions to other states. 2. My Supernode "Re-activation Panel" is a collection of 12 people in very high standing. If they want to create me a Duke or a Prince, I will certainly submit to them (another thing is if they even want me to be subservient). 3. If you want to be a lower-class supernode, you can find someone in higher class, and have him create you a supernode or mininode. 4. Minimum is to actively decide to be a Freeman. You don't need to do anything then. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 10:50:48 AM 10 Duke(10,000,000mBTC) - approx 70 exist
15 Prince(3,000,000mBTC) - approx 200 exist 20 Marquis(1,000,000mBTC) - approx 700 exist 25 Earl(300,000mBTC) - approx 2000 exist 30 Viscount(100,000mBTC) - approx 7000 exist 35 Baron(30,000mBTC) - approx 20,000 exist 40 Baronet(10,000mBTC) - approx 70,000 exist 45 Knight(3,000mBTC) - approx 150-200,000 exist 50 Freeman 1st cl.(1,000mBTC) - approx 300-500,000 exist This group numbers about 0.5-1 million now, and most of them have no idea of how important they are. Really, currently they are therefore mostly not that important. But if they did activate their supernode and mininodes, they would be important very soon. Before the old powers can fall, we need the new safety net established. We need a new OTC exchange for USD/BTC and all other crypto/fiat/metal currencies. But many are already working for that, including "my" Bitcoin Dealer Network Association (BDNA). We have many services, but people are working for that. We also need to have a supernode network to just .. umm.. rule the world and have fun doing it. DISCLAIMER - THIS IS JUST A GAME, ALBEIT YOUR ENTIRE LIFE IS AT STAKE IN A POSITIVE WAY ;D 10 Duke(10,000,000mBTC) - approx 70 exist 15 Prince(3,000,000mBTC) - approx 200 exist 20 Marquis(1,000,000mBTC) - approx 700 exist These are the ones that we need most. So I propose a criteria on how to become one: Test on Supernodes If You pass the test with - minimum 55, you are eligible to become Duke - minimum 45, you are eligible to become Prince - minimum 35, you are eligible to become Marquis - minimum 25, you are eligible to become Earl - minimum 15, you are eligible to become Viscount - less than 15, you are eligible to become Freeman 1. Do you have at least (X) bitcoins: more than 50,000 => 20 points 50,000 => 18 points 30,000 => 16 points 20,000 => 14 points 10,000 => 12 points 5,000 => 10 points 3,000 => 8 points 2,000 => 6 points 1,000 => 4 points 500 => 2 points 300 => 0 points less than 300 => disqualified 2. Do you plan to acquire more bitcoins or sell them in the following 6 months: sell more than 25% => 0 points sell more than 10% => 2 points not sell, not buy => 4 points buy more => 6 points Buy a lot more => 8 points 3. How many languages do you command? => 2 point per language 4. Have you ever been convicted of a crime (political and victimless crimes do not count) => 8 points if no, -4 points per each count 5. Do you understand how bitcoin network works? yes, read and understood the white paper => 6 points yes, could explain it to an outsider => 4 points no, not really => 2 points it's Greek to me => 0 points Do you trade bitcoin OTC now? no => 0 points not really => 2 points YEAH, quite much => 4 points established business going on => 6 points Do you have other bitcoin business? no => 0 points just or once => 2 points yes but small => 4 points established => 6 points Write an essay on your Bitcoin Ministry (This is a LARP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game) after all, so write about your character and how it's role is to promote the bitcoin business)? (max=> 10 points) What is your Bitcoin Mission Statement? (max=> 4 points) Your achievements (in sports, etc. something world-class(national/city/etc.) you have done, max 3) (max=> 6 points) Count all the points, then find out about your (maximum) ranking. Note carefully. You need to post a Bitcoin Supernode Network game fee, which goes up with the rank (0.5% of the noted wealth): Duke: 50,000mBTC Prince: 15,000mBTC Marquis: 5,000mBTC Earl: 1,500mBTC Viscount: 600mBTC Freeman: 300mBTC. The price includes entrance to Internet resources, plastic name tag/(ID card) and printed promotion materials incl posters, T-shirt, millibitcoin notes.The plastic materials are actually quite nice. In a separate thread I will start asking for admissions. (Until now, this is all in planning stage.) Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 11:23:15 AM I will not have the time to single-handedly drive on this mission (The Supernode). Therefore I will wait with these preliminary ideas if there is market for it, or whether I will just drop it. Comments, please.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 11:40:25 AM Duke Please take your meds again. You're getting worse by the minute.Prince Marquis Earl Viscount You want some sort of human hierarchy? Ambassador Plenipotentiary Ambassador-at-Large Special Envoy Envoy ***or*** General of the Army 4-star General Lieutenant General General Major Brigadier Colonel Which one you prefer? If you want no hierarchy, then very sorry for you since that will not be the case in this world nor in the next one (bible verse). Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 01:06:45 PM Bank President Bank Manager Investment Banker Bank Presidents Blond & Sultry Longlegged Bimbo Bank Clerk Bank IT Guy the 99% Are we all part of the same bank or different? ::) (U'now I did have the time to go through all human hierarchical systems in the mental ward, and to me, the royalty/nobility seemed to stand out of all the rest, followed by the diplomacy hierarchy.) Teach me if you can, or be quiet. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 13, 2013, 02:39:05 PM I've been interested in your Supernode vision for a long time. But I did not understand exactly what you were intending to create. Reading this post I believe I am finally starting to understand what you are trying to do.
Some initial thoughts I have are:
Some questions:
Also, I was wondering if Roni was still in your employ? If so, do you have him working on getting the network established? I assume he would be instrumental in getting the project going since you have worked with him in the past. Signed, Este Nuno Freeman Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 13, 2013, 02:58:16 PM You can easily find work in this forum if you can code. If there are any supernodes or mininodes in your locality doing anything, you can find they pay several mBTC per hour. It is the whole point of the exercise that people should become independent of their current masters (PTB) and become Freemen instead. It does not require so many mBTC when one mBTC equals a room for month in an inn. I can code a little. But I'm not personally willing to offer those services on a professional basis yet. I believe that someone should be able to back what they do 100% and be proud of putting their name on something if they are going to do it. I think it's quite possible that if this concept gains hold in the bitcoin community that it could create a lot of opportunities for a wide variety of people to work and provide services for the network. I figure I could obtain Mininode-Baron rank in the very near future if I focus on earning bitcoins and converting all fiat earned in to bitcoin. The levels are very reasonable. And becoming a Supernode should be an easy next step. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: gmannn on June 13, 2013, 03:40:33 PM By the power vested in me, Gman, Earl of Manhattan Beach, I hereby proclaim Este Nuno free man, and promise to not touch his life and liberty, in peace or in war, unless and until, he willingly comes to my aid in the time of great peril. Long live Este Nuno!
https://blockchain.info/tx/df49a3399215b0ad4751cd3bdaba391e880665a83405cd4998f050288cc01839 I think I qualify for Destitute Node at the moment. When I can find work for bitcoins I expect to level up well into the Freeman classes quickly though. When I have 0.1 bitcoin I will be Freeman 3rd class already, is that correct? That's quite a jump. People could easily become Freemen if there were more services or jobs in the bitcoin economy. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 03:56:22 PM In my supernodespeak, that would be:
"By the power vested in me, Gman, Earl of YourCityHere, hereby proclaim Este Nuno free man, and promise to not touch his life, liberty or property, in peace or in war, unless and until, he willingly comes to my aid in the time of great peril. Long live Este Nuno! http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-allears.gif With the power vested in me as Earl of Supernode, I, Gman, first of his name, hereby grant Este Nuno the title of Freeman 5th class, with all rights and titles pertaining. May you retain this title with honor and dignity. I think I qualify for Destitute Node at the moment. When I can find work for bitcoins I expect to level up well into the Freeman classes quickly though. When I have 0.1 bitcoin I will be Freeman 3rd class already, is that correct? That's quite a jump. People could easily become Freemen if there were more services or jobs in the bitcoin economy. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 13, 2013, 04:09:13 PM With the power vested in me as Earl of Supernode, I, Gman, first of his name, hereby grant Este Nuno the title of Freeman 5th class, with all rights and titles pertaining. May you retain this title with honor and dignity. https://blockchain.info/tx/df49a3399215b0ad4751cd3bdaba391e880665a83405cd4998f050288cc01839 Haha, Thank you. As rpietila said in the op: "These guys (above) hold more bitcoins than an average person in the world. More than 99% of the coins will be held by them, so the inequality of distribution of liquid wealth will increase, should minicoin reach $300 quickly." I'm now the 1%. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 13, 2013, 06:06:53 PM I will answer piecewise, otherwise it becomes tl;dr. I've been interested in your Supernode vision for a long time. But I did not understand exactly what you were intending to create. Reading this post I believe I am finally starting to understand what you are trying to do. * The cut off for a Supernode being only 100 bitcoins is interesting and much more inclusive than I would have expected. This is probably a good thing because the network can potentially be much bigger now. Since it is relatively easy to acquire 100 bitcoins at this point in time. (Probably not so much in the near future) When I started, I was not clear myself, what I would be going to create. I wanted to see the relation of the "eventual distribution" of bitcoins to the people of the world (which closely follows a certain mathematical relation regardless of how the distribution is achieved - assumed it is achieved in any way imaginable now, and/or the result is lead to "play out"), and the purchasing power of people in the categories. This resulted to the quick awakening that: A) it is not so much how much we invest into bitcoins, but how many bitcoins we have as a result. I started investing in late 2011 and now (March-April 2013) have invested 100,000s of dollars more into it. Not that it changed my relative position much, but it just still happens to be insanely undervalued and I still invest all proceeds of my businesses into bitcoins. B) Very many people will soon be in positions of high wealth and importance, and the only way for them not to, is to sell all or the most part of their bitcoins. C) Even now, anyone in the first world can still be ultra-HNWI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-net-worth_individual) by buying 100 bitcoins. This is the original Supernode-limit. The world has now about 30,000 people of $30M or more, and Bitcoin is going to shuffle that deck a lot by bringing perhaps 10,000 new entrants and removing almost as many. The ones who are now afraid of bitcoin's low exchange rate - don't be. The current HNWI's may want to buy some, and they will be the ones taking the price from $10 to $100. They don't invest $100k now even though it would be sensible. They want $1M later, when it buys less coins. Just like I never bought sub-$0.001 no matter how many times I was asked. (Honestly I lived in the middle of a community where perhaps 1/3 actively bought bitcoins in 2010-6/2011). Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: gmannn on June 14, 2013, 01:48:29 AM My house sigil has been created.
Started as a freeman with a single miner. Now commanding a mining operation, long and short term trading positions, and 1st level face to face arbitrage network, with the goal of increasing BTC holdings to hypernode level within a year. Seeking vassals, bannermen, and other supernodes for diplomatic relations. https://i.imgur.com/p6FLNcc.png Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 14, 2013, 05:53:13 AM * I noticed some people are having trouble with the titles being likened to nobility. I think some people might have a visceral reaction towards the association of bitcoin and nobility, and that might turn some people off who would probably be interested in the idea of a Supernode network otherwise. Nevertheless, I personally find it an interesting metaphor. I tried out all systems (military, business) that came to my mind, and Nobility seemed to be a good system with established rules, and underused, and mathematically suitable to the task (armed forces could have been another one, with 1.0 Supernode as a 4 star General). Quote * I think the sooner you can persuade other potential Supernodes to activate, the faster the network will grow. And the higher rank that the first Supernodes have, the easier it will be for the to lead by example and create a cascade of subnodes joining the network. They would be leading by example, and people naturally tend to follow those who lead. I think we first to develop and set in stone some rules, and then just put a open invitation in Bitcointalk. If we give out something for free, people join. We could for example give out 200 noble titles out for free (to people who qualify) just to have presence. Then there would be mechanism how they can increase the network. Quote Some questions:
I think this will not be an incorporation under any existing law, rather we are creating something new. I do think that there will be a code of conduct for all the members to follow, and that will encompass the creating of new titles, behavior in the meetings, etc. I want lower-ranking nodes be created by higher-ranking, but also want higher-ranking nodes to have some kind of system to become higher-ranking. I am a cool guy and would rank between Prince and Duke, but I would like even cooler guys to join me now, so that there would not be a gap in the system (it is difficult to raise above the founder). A join fee of 0.5% of your bitcoin wealth would take care of the needs of the organisation for ever. It is also a good deterrent to have nonrich supernodes. (I mean "Duke" should have 10 million minicoins, and his entry fee is thus 50k minicoins; if all you have is 100,000 minicoins, you don't play Duke). If there is a travelling supernode going to HK, for example, it is the locals' honorary job to provide an audience/dinner, best quality hotel and environment etc. All depends on the size of the organization though. If the locals are double the visitors, then the locals are hosts and act like ones (In Haikko my delegation exceeded the total number of guests, not only the number of the second biggest delegation). If the travelling delegation is larger than the host, then they do what they want and invite the locals to their party. Quote Also, I was wondering if Roni was still in your employ? If so, do you have him working on getting the network established? I assume he would be instrumental in getting the project going since you have worked with him in the past. Roni is working for my supernode, but my superdone is down and will likely only be re-established in July 7. I hope to have him back, as well as Annina and other key resources that are now smoking their own cigars when I am in the hospital. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 14, 2013, 07:56:14 AM A supernode has to have a certain organization, and organizing things costs money. One of the things how to spot the top end of the supernodes is to follow the money trail:
Duke must spend minimum 200,000mBTC per month Prince likewise must spend 60,000mBTC Marquis likewise must spend 20,000mBTC Earl likewise must spend 6,000mBTC Viscount likewise must spend 2,000mBTC. What sort of spending qualifies? Personal and your family jetset lifestyle, organisation and bitcoin marketing, everything that the royal houses do all around the world. If you make profit doing these things (like I could have sold bitcoins in the public mental institution but declined the bid because of the rules), the better. I personally think and aim to close the year richer in bitcoins, after speding all that much into what many would call senseless expenses. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 14, 2013, 08:36:17 AM I would be careful with this project and the nobility and society aspects. You are creating a group that has every chance, even if it becomes only relatively successful, of turning to manipulation and powermonging rather than protection and promotion. This is rather antithetical to Bitcoin, IMO. I think it is very important to safeguard the network first, by distributing wealth and hashing power to as many as possible, before trying to concentrate/organize the Bitcoiners. (and concentration != resilience) Thanks for the comment. What exactly you mean by safeguarding the network, explain please? There are certain laws of mathematics that distribute the wealth approximately as I have described here. You cannot fight that. I don't even try. Yes, you can still hide your wealth. The best way to hide it is to underrepresent yourself in the Supernode Network, not to pretend that you never bought it in the first place and still don't know about bitcoin. The network, by its small size (as in people and market cap), is very fragile. The hashing power is too unevenly concentrated as well, within that small group of people, with few very big miners. These two things need to change. I'm not fighting the bell-curve, nor the fact that one would want to hide his/her wealth (or not), but the power is not even following a "natural" distribution yet (case in point: ASICMINER). What individual or company possesses 20-30% of the world's revenue? You probably need some form of policing as well (misrepresentation can go both ways), maybe a knighthood? (but I fear this is a slippery slope - I like the honor system better, 90% of the time...) What sort of measures against these problems are available for me to take? ::) Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: KS on June 14, 2013, 10:49:26 AM I would be careful with this project and the nobility and society aspects. You are creating a group that has every chance, even if it becomes only relatively successful, of turning to manipulation and powermonging rather than protection and promotion. This is rather antithetical to Bitcoin, IMO. I think it is very important to safeguard the network first, by distributing wealth and hashing power to as many as possible, before trying to concentrate/organize the Bitcoiners. (and concentration != resilience) Thanks for the comment. What exactly you mean by safeguarding the network, explain please? There are certain laws of mathematics that distribute the wealth approximately as I have described here. You cannot fight that. I don't even try. Yes, you can still hide your wealth. The best way to hide it is to underrepresent yourself in the Supernode Network, not to pretend that you never bought it in the first place and still don't know about bitcoin. The network, by its small size (as in people and market cap), is very fragile. The hashing power is too unevenly concentrated as well, within that small group of people, with few very big miners. These two things need to change. I'm not fighting the bell-curve, nor the fact that one would want to hide his/her wealth (or not), but the power is not even following a "natural" distribution yet (case in point: ASICMINER). What individual or company possesses 20-30% of the world's revenue? You probably need some form of policing as well (misrepresentation can go both ways), maybe a knighthood? (but I fear this is a slippery slope - I like the honor system better, 90% of the time...) What sort of measures against these problems are available for me to take? ::) For starters, choose to promote Bitcoin exchange (as in in/out-flux) rather than hoarding. You wanted to set some rules, make it a charter. (example should start at the top.) edit: lack of sleep is definitely detrimental to brain activity... Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 14, 2013, 05:26:39 PM rpietlia, do you consider the noble titles a necessary part of the Supernode concept, or merely a fun addition to the core concept? Is the fundamental structure of the Bitcoin Capability Classification the segmentation of nodes by number and node title? i.e. level 25 Supernode, level 15 Hypernode etcetera.
If the push for widespread adoption of the concept focuses on the overall idea without drawing too much attention to the nobility concept(even though you make some valid points regarding the inevitability of these stratifications in human society), it might help prevent distractions. I think too many people will just latch on to the nobility issue and focus on only that, causing unnecessary distraction from the important concepts that should be addressed. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 14, 2013, 05:44:04 PM Note carefully. You need to post a Bitcoin Supernode Network game fee, which goes up with the rank (0.5% of the noted wealth): Duke: 50,000mBTC Prince: 15,000mBTC Marquis: 5,000mBTC Earl: 1,500mBTC Viscount: 600mBTC Freeman: 300mBTC. The price includes entrance to Internet resources, plastic name tag/(ID card) and printed promotion materials incl posters, T-shirt, millibitcoin notes.The plastic materials are actually quite nice. In a separate thread I will start asking for admissions. (Until now, this is all in planning stage.) Do you think that the Supernodes who pay their game fee to join the network should also have a limited number of invitations(amount based on rank) so that they can expand the network to people they deem worthy of joining? Like, say for example a level 21 Earl has someone that works for them and they want to have them join the network, they can burn one of their invites and have the fee waived and the person included in the network(the fees can possibly be included in the Supernodes' fee to offset the cost. I would view this more of a promotional concept and also one where the Supernodes have the ability to single out individuals who they think would bring value to the network and include them. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 14, 2013, 07:11:26 PM My house sigil has been created. Started as a freeman with a single miner. Now commanding a mining operation, long and short term trading positions, and 1st level face to face arbitrage network, with the goal of increasing BTC holdings to hypernode level within a year. Seeking vassals, bannermen, and other supernodes for diplomatic relations. https://i.imgur.com/p6FLNcc.png +1. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 14, 2013, 08:02:35 PM Note carefully. You need to post a Bitcoin Supernode Network game fee, which goes up with the rank (0.5% of the noted wealth): Duke: 50,000mBTC Prince: 15,000mBTC Marquis: 5,000mBTC Earl: 1,500mBTC Viscount: 600mBTC Freeman: 300mBTC. The price includes entrance to Internet resources, plastic name tag/(ID card) and printed promotion materials incl posters, T-shirt, millibitcoin notes.The plastic materials are actually quite nice. In a separate thread I will start asking for admissions. (Until now, this is all in planning stage.) Do you think that the Supernodes who pay their game fee to join the network should also have a limited number of invitations(amount based on rank) so that they can expand the network to people they deem worthy of joining? Like, say for example a level 21 Earl has someone that works for them and they want to have them join the network, they can burn one of their invites and have the fee waived and the person included in the network(the fees can possibly be included in the Supernodes' fee to offset the cost. I would view this more of a promotional concept and also one where the Supernodes have the ability to single out individuals who they think would bring value to the network and include them. Right now, I believe we want to start this as a worldwide real-life based game. The final mission is that the whole world uses bitcoin as money, so we have hundreds of millions of members. We start from 1. Everything we do is to try to make more members in our Supernode System, becuase that is real fun, it is the most fun GAME in the world. That bitcoin also becomes very valuable is a sidenote. What if we just summoned 3 people as the gamemaster team and wrote the 1st rulebook. Then send the first invitation out. Divide the world to our most capable people. Then make fun that the Viscount of Ukraine (based in some town) needs his title downgraded when a Duke rises up in Kiev. These ceremonies make up a great part of fun, because they are eating, drinking and smoking events, small and cosy, and directly intertwined with bitcoin. How can you NOT make your money back with these connections. Wow, trying to sleep.. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: JimCGSavings on June 15, 2013, 07:22:39 AM * I noticed some people are having trouble with the titles being likened to nobility. I think some people might have a visceral reaction towards the association of bitcoin and nobility, and that might turn some people off who would probably be interested in the idea of a Supernode network otherwise. Nevertheless, I personally find it an interesting metaphor. I tried out all systems (military, business) that came to my mind, and Nobility seemed to be a good system with established rules, and underused, and mathematically suitable to the task (armed forces could have been another one, with 1.0 Supernode as a 4 star General). I think Nobility is perfect. Think of the myth of King Arthur and the round table. Nobility has the responsibility to be Noble, to define Nobility with Noble actions. To rule in a Noble fashion. To be humble before God and man, yet powerful in the face of avarice, corruption and evil intentions. Bitcoin is a tool that can be used for good and evil. It needs Noblemen to use it so that it isn't perceived as merely another way for evil to overcome good men. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: KS on June 15, 2013, 09:34:01 AM Note carefully. You need to post a Bitcoin Supernode Network game fee, which goes up with the rank (0.5% of the noted wealth): Duke: 50,000mBTC Prince: 15,000mBTC Marquis: 5,000mBTC Earl: 1,500mBTC Viscount: 600mBTC Freeman: 300mBTC. The price includes entrance to Internet resources, plastic name tag/(ID card) and printed promotion materials incl posters, T-shirt, millibitcoin notes.The plastic materials are actually quite nice. In a separate thread I will start asking for admissions. (Until now, this is all in planning stage.) Do you think that the Supernodes who pay their game fee to join the network should also have a limited number of invitations(amount based on rank) so that they can expand the network to people they deem worthy of joining? Like, say for example a level 21 Earl has someone that works for them and they want to have them join the network, they can burn one of their invites and have the fee waived and the person included in the network(the fees can possibly be included in the Supernodes' fee to offset the cost. I would view this more of a promotional concept and also one where the Supernodes have the ability to single out individuals who they think would bring value to the network and include them. Right now, I believe we want to start this as a worldwide real-life based game. The final mission is that the whole world uses bitcoin as money, so we have hundreds of millions of members. We start from 1. Everything we do is to try to make more members in our Supernode System, becuase that is real fun, it is the most fun GAME in the world. That bitcoin also becomes very valuable is a sidenote. What if we just summoned 3 people as the gamemaster team and wrote the 1st rulebook. Then send the first invitation out. Divide the world to our most capable people. Then make fun that the Viscount of Ukraine (based in some town) needs his title downgraded when a Duke rises up in Kiev. These ceremonies make up a great part of fun, because they are eating, drinking and smoking events, small and cosy, and directly intertwined with bitcoin. How can you NOT make your money back with these connections. Wow, trying to sleep.. +1 on the gamemaster team. They should not be part of the game itself though, IMO. Segregation of power/interest. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: JimCGSavings on June 15, 2013, 03:18:48 PM If gamemaster and roleplay are segregated, which role you want me into? The gamemaster plays the role of gamemaster. (grin)That means I will play the Risto Pietilä, First Gamemaster and Viceroy of the Earth. The title is equivalent to 05 so it's above Duke and below Satoshi. I will only attend to events organized by Princes and above, and even then it has to be a special occasion. Will there be a role for vassals? Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 03:36:47 PM One possibility is that there is nobody (in the beginning) above Duke. So if you buy yourself a Duke, you are also a gamemaster by the virtue. You get to spend the money you yourselves have invested. (I think my level should be between Prince and Duke.) Later as the number of dukes grows to perhaps 4, there will be reason to denominate a primus inter pares, Elector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-elector).
Anyone can buy the titles between Prince...Knight. There will be opportunity to be a vassal of a higher title. Freeman is an objection - because he is free, he cannot be a vassal of anyone. So in this sense Knight is the lowest title, because he is always a vassal of someone and never is anyone vassal of a knight. Also if you are newly created Marquis, for eaxmple, and there are nobody around you, you can make diplomatic missions and exchange of letters to nearby power centers and end up forming Alliance or Friendly relations. I think it is funny how these systems always tend to repeat the number 3 between the number of people in classes etc...:) Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 04:19:55 PM (I think my level should be between Prince and Duke.) Didn't you have more than 10M mBTC? I have publicly claimed to have between 2,4M and 35M mBTC since 2012. I still do. Maybe I don't feel I want the pressure of Duke even though I have the coins, or maybe I don't have the coins or want to show off. You never know. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 15, 2013, 05:00:21 PM (I think my level should be between Prince and Duke.) Didn't you have more than 10M mBTC? I have publicly claimed to have between 2,4M and 35M mBTC since 2012. I still do. Maybe I don't feel I want the pressure of Duke even though I have the coins, or maybe I don't have the coins or want to show off. You never know. When I decide to qualify myself for Knight/Baronet/Baron status(assuming someone is willing to bestow the title upon me of course), is part of the procedure going to be signing a message with a bitcoin address that holds the required number of coins? Or do you have something else in mind? Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 15, 2013, 05:04:57 PM Also, I was wondering if you were expecting nodes to conform to some sort of predefined moral standard? Like a code of conduct. Or is everyone free to act as they wish according to their own personal standards?
Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 05:18:34 PM I have publicly claimed to have between 2,4M and 35M mBTC since 2012. I still do. Maybe I don't feel I want the pressure of Duke even though I have the coins, or maybe I don't have the coins or want to show off. You never know. When I decide to qualify myself for Knight/Baronet/Baron status(assuming someone is willing to bestow the title upon me of course), is part of the procedure going to be signing a message with a bitcoin address that holds the required number of coins? Or do you have something else in mind?No. My thinking goes more like "if you need to pay 0.5% of your claimed bitcoins as a registration fee + be willing to spend 0.5% per month in the supernode meetings, marketing and the like, you should be able to decide whether to claim the actual rank or +/- 1". Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: wachtwoord on June 15, 2013, 05:20:12 PM Just to give you some insight on my take on this. I would not participate, primarily because I would not like to publically disclose my net worth and secondly, because I would dislike paying 0.5%.
Good luck though :) Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 05:37:22 PM BITCOIN SUPERNODE ACTIVITIES
Most of the things supernodes do (as supernodes) would be centered on meeting (each other), eating, drinking, smoking and dancing. The Network (as its Communicating nodes) would use the following means of communicating with outside world: Twitter, Facebook, BCT-Forum, Own forum (outsiders can read but not write all but the gamemaster side) Internal communication would be held by phone + by Letters. A Letter is an important concept, it can be a forum post or email, but also physical mail. Letters have certain form that is almost forgotten. My Orders of the Day can be classified Letters. Diplomatic happenings can be classified as following: Audience - one supernode meets another physically Reception - several supernodes are invited by one Dinner - Ahh... these are the important parts of all diplomacy Summit - Quite few are invited but they spend some serious high quality time together Public events are important as marketing the supernode movement to fellow bitcoiners + bitcoin to outsiders Meeting - anything classifies Meetup - prearranged; more people come and there will be more impact Retreat - rather few (5-20) people, lax program Conference - big, like the one in San Jose Congress - big and the program there is more strict the in conference Large Supernode happenings consume most of the monetary resources, but also require strict planning Ceremony - A prince is not promoted Duke without the associating pomp, no way :) Feast - a common gathering of all great and small who belong to the system (freemen also invited), akin to conference but only for the SN network Grand Feast - Now I must use a Bible reference: Esther 1: 3-8. Training serves as an opportunity to know the things so that the social code doesn't hit so hard :) Also if there is anything else that requires training in the bitcoin services, how to do efficient marketing etc. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: Este Nuno on June 15, 2013, 05:42:31 PM Just to give you some insight on my take on this. I would not participate, primarily because I would not like to publically disclose my net worth and secondly, because I would dislike paying 0.5%. Good luck though :) I suspect that the fees will go towards the benefit of the Supernode network as a whole. In such a way that the nodes will be happy to pay the fee because it will provide value to the network and also them. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 06:16:04 PM DIPLOMATS AND THEIR RANKINGS
10 Duke - Ambassador 15 Prince - Ambassador 20 Marquis - Ambassador 25 Earl - Special Envoy 30 Viscount - Envoy 35 Baron - Attaché 1 class 40 Baronet - Attaché 2 class 45 Knight - Attaché 3 class There are many meetings as specified by above post. Sometimes a supernode cannot attend himself despite of invitation. It is good that we know from previously that a Duke is only a real Duke if he has 5-10 people in his command structure. If he is invited to Ducal Summit, he may decide to send an Ambassador Plenipotentiary instead. For example I have rontus, whom I can send wherever I want, and bestow on him as many bitcoins as may be necessary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2179686#msg2179686). Ambassadors can be of different classes, highest is Extraordinary&Plenipotentiary, but such can be sent by Sovereign only, and in my understanding Dukes are not sovereigns (they may be if they are Duke D.G. but that is a concept still open). Ambassador-at-Large can be sent by anyone who himself is Marquis or higher, if the invitation was for Marquis-level. So when fulfilling the meeting invitation standards, we need to evaluate, how high person was invited, and then whether he has somebody at his disposal who can be sent as high enough person. The meeting may also be such a low standard that the Duke himself is not qualified to enter (his presence would lead to e.g. security concerns, or problems with etiquette). Then he must send a delegate/-ion that contains only the right level people. For example the San Jose, I did not go, but sent Roni as Ambassador and Annina as Secretary. Their later conduct (both are still in the States, separately on their own) is also very fitting for my supernode, which is currently dissolved. So only the Supernode himself possesses the Ducal/Princely/etc title. All his staff do not possess a title, (or if they do, they are vassal supernodes). A hypernode should have at least some people in his organization and an ultranode needs several people to work for him, so that his ultranode has a decent working. For this reason also, 3kBTC may very well be enough for a Duke, if he has actual business in multiple countries and makes money, 30kBTC may not entitle you to a Duke, if your only operation is the 100 graphics cards that you used for mining your stash, and now make litecoins. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 06:32:48 PM DELEGATION TO A SUPERNODE MEETING - esp. "how to find ladies"
The Supernode diplomatic invitation tells whether it is only for supernodes or with ladies. If with ladies, then it is a good conduct to bring a delegation which has equal number of both genders (like I did in Haikko and San José). It may be difficult to find ladies, but they need not be part of your supernode's backbone staff. The delegation may consist of: - SN or his ambassador - Attachés, who are directed by the SN - Any family members of the above - A Lady-in-waiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady-in-waiting) (I had 2 of these, assigned to serve my family, during the time we lived in Haikko) - Other ladies who are invited but do not belong to SN staff (In Haikko my voice instructor was part of the Romanov gala dinner and also performed a gig with piano+voice later on the night) - Other ladies who travel single or in groups and "happen to be there" Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 15, 2013, 06:46:45 PM Also, I was wondering if you were expecting nodes to conform to some sort of predefined moral standard? Like a code of conduct. Or is everyone free to act as they wish according to their own personal standards? I don't currently believe that anyone would seriously have a different general morality. Maybe I am blind, but my experience on human behavior points me to this way. Don't kill, don't steal, do not harm ladies. I have organized meetings where it's been very easy for all to conform to these. The court etiquette is something that does not happen in the outside world (or if does, then we are not part of those circles). We are quite open to define it according to the way we want. For me it's been really easy to behave in a very courteous way, but I have to admit it has sometimes lead to funny confrontations when e.g. I ate such a good salad during lunchtime that I want to tip the waitress more than she charged for the salad. I told, I give according to the value I received, not according to their pricing. That one went well, but in Haikko they did not cash out the tips during the allotted time, and also did not offer me a realistic way to pay the bill. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: julz on June 18, 2013, 07:48:55 AM While I don't have any interest in participating in some techno-feudal system - I find it conceptually interesting.
Could you clarify who the fee is paid to and how it is managed? My apologies if I've missed this. It seems to me that Bitcoin's multi-key facilities offer a unique and powerful way to manage such hierarchies. If the fee were paid to those next higher in the chain, but in such a way that it *also* required a quorum (not necessarily a majority) comprised from those paying to sign transactions - there could be advantages in terms of accountability and faith in fund management. e.g A transaction by an Earl (from the pool of working funds provided from his viscounts) may require blockchain signatures from any 3 of his viscounts. Perhaps a certain number of viscounts could co-sign a transaction allowing them to withdraw (most.. ie less reasonable fee) of the money they currently have under control of the Earl - in order to withdraw and form allegiance to a different Earl. Such mechanisms would favour diplomacy and agreement - but allow more forceful action via the blockchain if diplomacy broke down. Absent such controls - I don't see that such hierarchies would gain much scale - but if participants feel that they ultimately have a bit more control, they may be more likely to participate. That said - the 'bible' references creep me out somewhat - and wealth is effectively an ad-hoc hierarchy in itself, so I'm not really sure why people would ally themselves into structures like this. Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: greyhawk on June 19, 2013, 05:23:06 PM That said - the 'bible' references creep me out somewhat - I wouldn't worry. It's not like reptilio had a Finnish TV station do an expose on the weird cult he's leading. Oh, wait. That DID happen. Oh dear. http://yle.fi/ecepic/archive/00397/Pietil_-Risto-Silve_397640b.jpg Title: Re: Bitcoin Supernode System Post by: rpietila on June 19, 2013, 06:07:44 PM I think this is a good closing comment. I indeed have been a public person ever since 2006, when I partnered O.P. in "Storm Warning for the Economy" TV-talkshow. Since that I have been featured in most Finnish tv-channels. Both the silver-cup-in-my-head and the Silverclub pose in the previous posting, are from 2011 when they tried to make a cult out of my friends. Well, they did, and we are still friends with the key players. :)
Just got off phone with my friend who estimated that since 2010, our influence to the world has 10-doubled. It will still increase (note: I am not suggesting that its is somehow my/our goal to increase influence), and the supernode system may or may not be instrumental in that. I think the world may be ready for it when we are 33% through towards $300k. I will therefore try to wake the supernode network up with the same parameters when bitcoin price hits $1.4 per mBTC. My friend did not believe it, but he invited me for sailing, so I kind of cannot lose. I will lock the thread now, and resurrect it if at $1400 it still feels viable. |
