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Title: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Olatunjex on November 04, 2017, 06:37:59 PM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile.
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: HabBear on November 04, 2017, 06:44:55 PM Sometimes it's justified, other times it's used as a weapon because of an argument.
It's supposed to be used as a feedback tool from people who have conducted business with the user in the past. If the person didn't deliver the product in a trade or engaged in some other questionable activity the negative trust would be justified. The problem is that people will give others negative trust when they don't like someone. That's where it is used as a weapon. Perfect example. At one point I was offering escrow services. People gave me negative trust because I was offering a service that I didn't have any history offering in the past. What the fuck? That's using negative trust as a weapon. These people were already providing escrow services and didn't want the competition. Also, if you ask for someone to leave you trust (regardless of whether you're asking for honest trust or not) people will give you negative trust. It's a decent system that people abuse constantly. Tread carefully. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: RyanEncek on November 04, 2017, 06:54:37 PM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. some people who do not know the depth of bitcoin may think negatively to him, because he only looked from different angles of the field ...Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: HabBear on November 04, 2017, 06:55:48 PM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. some people who do not know the depth of bitcoin may think negatively to him, because he only looked from different angles of the field ...Another perfect example of how the trust system here is used as a weapon. Trust should only be used as feedback for a trade or sale. Full stop. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Cindy1983 on November 04, 2017, 07:01:09 PM There are a lot of reason for this case like using alt account, scam, promoting ponzi,trolling,....or maybe your account will received a red trust if it's a bought account. If you don't want to receive red trust, you should be trustworthy in this forum. Beside don't copy and paste other member reply or from any other sources from internet, you'll not received red trust for this but your account will be permanant banned
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: ranggawulung on November 04, 2017, 07:05:12 PM To incur a negative trust can be for several reasons, the most common of them are fraudulent actions. But as far as I know, now there are some ways to raise the trust back and this I do not mean those moments when a person withdraws his negative feedback. :-[ Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: lady Royal on November 04, 2017, 07:06:00 PM If you are talking about red trust.
People get negative trust because they try to scam someone or maybe they have scammed anyone, They get negative rating because they have broken some rule or tried to trick someone, We should thanks to those DT (Default Trust) Members who tag them with their rating so, if we are going to make a deal with them we know that what he/she has done before in his/her past. So, it is really needed to have rating system on this forum. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Taki on November 04, 2017, 08:11:15 PM Do you see words after every comment "report to moderator"? All those people who about whom someone got reported are getting negative trust or just ban on the forum. Mostly negative trust get those people who suggest something on the forum, like buying-selling accounts, goods, services and ect. But sometimes a modest story admit a whole thread as a scam and all people who keep comment that get negative trust. So, be careful.
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Pearls Before Swine on November 04, 2017, 08:33:17 PM Sometimes it's just spam. If you take a look at my trust page, there is an accusation
that I've abused animals by isoneguy. That isn't true. My passionate love of creatures is well known. Maybe not on bitcointalk, but my cats know it. So that ass tool left that feedback because I criticized something isoneguy said in some thread a while back. That's how broken the trust system is here. But however broken it is, it does work when the person is a real scammer. DT members tend to jump all over them, and they're redder than a turnip within minutes. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: KWH on November 04, 2017, 08:43:05 PM I added a trust system to the marketplace sections. When you're logged in, you'll now see something like this next to Marketplace posts: Quote Trust: 1: -0 / +12(3) The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts. These scores are taken from your trust network. They are not global scores. You can edit your trust network here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust If your trust depth is set to 2 (the default), you will trust feedback by people you trust, people they trust, and people they trust. I might change the default in the future; we'll see how this works. Your trust list is public. On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines: - List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score. - Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts. - Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it. - "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting. - It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade. - If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating. If your trust list is totally empty, you trust "DefaultTrust", which includes some trustworthy people that I'll select. But if you add anyone to your trust list, even if they don't trust anyone, DefaultTrust will no longer be considered part of your trust list. In the near future I'll add these same ratings to PMs. Tell me if you see any bugs. I didn't test this much yet. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: vaughn125 on November 04, 2017, 08:47:10 PM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. Well, rhere cam really be a lot of reasons involved as to why.a person gets one or more negative trusts in their accounts. Some may be because of beimg a scammer, a spammer, promoting scam ICOs, erc. The list goes on and on. Then there are also times when negative trusts are given due to personal issues. While others are for accusations that haven't been really proven yetm trust system here is quite a mess. At least in how i see it. But, even so, it really helps a lot because the number of negative trust an account has is something that really gives us great warning and gives us a hint tonbe careful or how cautious we should be to a person or a project depending on the account's trust issue. Which all in all is a great thing for this forum. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: soros017 on November 04, 2017, 10:08:25 PM That's in general attributed to people that were caught scamming other people. But I have also seen users getting negative trust by acting disrespectful to other individuals.
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Skyborn on November 04, 2017, 10:59:30 PM This trust system is put in place to discredit scammers and protect other users. Especially on this forum negative trust is a big stigma on one's account and you no one will trust you or go first in a trade. So it's something you want to avoid.
But I have also seen users getting negative trust by acting disrespectful to other individuals. As much as I understand people who give others negative trust because they are being a douche or a pain to others. I strongly believe that it's not just to do that simply because someone being arrogant or disrespectful doesn't necessarily correlate with their trustworthiness. Therefore no one should receive negative trust for being a douche. I do not promote being a douche or a pain not by any means but someone can be the biggest douchebag but still be a trustworthy person that always keeps his/her word when it comes to trading. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: eance on November 04, 2017, 11:30:29 PM Sometimes could be justify. Others some users just abuse of the trust system. Like Lauda, she just gave me a negative for no reason 😼...shame on you Lauda😝😝😝
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: darklus123 on November 04, 2017, 11:46:33 PM Pretty Simple Question It's Either They are doing things that are unethical from this forum. Like scamming somebody and when proven guilty they were tagged so they could not scam other people. The other simple reason would be they were being abused by somebody whos in power(This happened a lot of times.) Tho in most cases its the first example
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: cryptoblue77 on November 05, 2017, 01:34:02 AM There are plenty of people who are abusing this site. So, they should get negative trust.
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Aventhe on November 05, 2017, 06:14:43 AM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. Usually, because low-life people scam, or buy accounts to spam/scam. You don't get negative trust for nothing, and usually that involves dishonest behaviour. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Olatunjex on November 05, 2017, 10:59:25 AM Sometimes it's justified, other times it's used as a weapon because of an argument. thank you for your response, i wouldn't want to fall victim of that. That was why i asked and for those who are also wondering why they have it on their profile.It's supposed to be used as a feedback tool from people who have conducted business with the user in the past. If the person didn't deliver the product in a trade or engaged in some other questionable activity the negative trust would be justified. The problem is that people will give others negative trust when they don't like someone. That's where it is used as a weapon. Perfect example. At one point I was offering escrow services. People gave me negative trust because I was offering a service that I didn't have any history offering in the past. What the fuck? That's using negative trust as a weapon. These people were already providing escrow services and didn't want the competition. Also, if you ask for someone to leave you trust (regardless of whether you're asking for honest trust or not) people will give you negative trust. It's a decent system that people abuse constantly. Tread carefully. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Olatunjex on November 05, 2017, 11:10:43 AM Sometimes could be justify. Others some users just abuse of the trust system. Like Lauda, she just gave me a negative for no reason 😼...shame on you Lauda😝😝😝 cCan a user I didn't have any deal with or contacted before decide to give me negative trust ( in the name of abusing the trust system) Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Welsh on November 05, 2017, 11:26:40 AM Sometimes could be justify. Others some users just abuse of the trust system. Like Lauda, she just gave me a negative for no reason 😼...shame on you Lauda😝😝😝 cCan a user I didn't have any deal with or contacted before decide to give me negative trust ( in the name of abusing the trust system) Anyone can leave negative feedback on your trust page for any reasons they want, and no prior deal or contact needs to have happened for them to do that, in fact many people get negative trust from random users just because they called them out on something or they don't agree with their opinions. It doesn't mean that the trust is valid though, trust is there as an indicator and should be taken on case by case. You can also tweak your trust list, and many people will have removed some of the default trust from their list. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: pixie85 on November 05, 2017, 08:01:47 PM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. Usually, because low-life people scam, or buy accounts to spam/scam. You don't get negative trust for nothing, and usually that involves dishonest behaviour. If only it worked like that. I've seen people get negative trust for something as simple as having an alt account. Not scamming, not abusing campaigns, just having an alt. Since trust system is not moderated I could give you a neg right here right now, just to prove a point. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: franco123 on November 06, 2017, 07:36:58 AM Supposedly, negative trust is given when you do not cooperate into a transaction like not paying for the product or service or not delivering a product or service. However, it was lately being used if you encountered an argument and someone just din't like your way of of arguing. Sometimes, if an account just doesn't like you maybe because you argued about his or her opinion, he or she will give you negative trust. That's the bad practice for some. You may just be doing nothing wrong and still get a negative trust just because you explained your part or argument. So be kind and be careful on your posts.
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: nlcars on March 29, 2018, 12:23:27 AM I got negative trust from this user but what he is doing is abusing the merrit system himself:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418 Now I have a nagtive trust and do only have 22 merrits and the person who abuses the system himself gives me negative trust !! Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Silent26 on March 29, 2018, 02:59:23 AM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. It is because they might done some illegal or prohibited stuffs here in the Forum.Here are some of my opinions why a certain Member is given a Negative Trust . 1. Scammed people once or so many times (If ever that someone has been reported and proved that he/she Scammed people here in the Forum, he will be automatically tagged with Negative Trust by our Moderators/DT Members.) 2. Spamming (As we can see, Spamming here in the Forum is strictly prohibited, if someone has been reported that he/she is spamming, the account will be automatically banned or will be given a first Warning. But if the account user keep posting spams he will be tagged with Negative Trust.) 3. Selling/Buying account ( Buying and Selling account is also violating our Forum's rules. With just offering that you want to buy account or sell account can cause your account to being tagged with Negative Trust. See for example here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3195218.msg33124738#msg33124738 The OP is looking for someone who want to sell a Sr. Account and unfortunately a Jr. Member responded thats why both of them are given Negative Trust). 4. Destroying DT Member's image ( I believed that some members here used to destroy Moderators and other DT1's image that why they're being tagged with Negative Trust.) 5. For violating rules multiple times (This is obviously the first reason why some members are given Negative Trust. It is because they always violate rules over and over again.) Well, I know I didn't listed all reasons. But I hope it helps you out. But I also believed that not because a member is tagged with Negative Trust doesn't mean that we will underestimate them, we should still respect them. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: dalimex on March 29, 2018, 06:20:45 AM because making news or information that is just not real, or issues only. In addition, there is also the spam in making a post. Lately, there is a merit to throw at each other because it got it from someone else.
Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: LTU_btc on March 29, 2018, 12:14:46 PM I got negative trust from this user but what he is doing is abusing the merrit system himself: Congratulations with your negative trust. I think it's deserved because exchanging merit between two account really looks like Merit absue.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418 Now I have a nagtive trust and do only have 22 merrits and the person who abuses the system himself gives me negative trust !! So, you are saying that The Pharmacist abusing Merit system? Well, if you are making such kind of accusations, you need to provide some proofs. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Zandar on April 02, 2018, 09:06:52 PM I got negative trust from this user but what he is doing is abusing the merrit system himself: Congratulations with your negative trust. I think it's deserved because exchanging merit between two account really looks like Merit absue.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418 Now I have a nagtive trust and do only have 22 merrits and the person who abuses the system himself gives me negative trust !! So, you are saying that The Pharmacist abusing Merit system? Well, if you are making such kind of accusations, you need to provide some proofs. You wanted proof? here you go, I posted it immediately right after I got negative trust from the pharmacist, but nobody cares: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3162720.msg33010310#msg33010310 What I see is that this forum has turned into an elite club with pompous prick behaviour. All the high levels are doing the exact same thing with their merits but they block other people from advancing by sending them negative trust their way, no wonder lots of people, including even developers of coins, left this forum and more do so by the day. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: LTU_btc on April 02, 2018, 11:31:08 PM I got negative trust from this user but what he is doing is abusing the merrit system himself: Congratulations with your negative trust. I think it's deserved because exchanging merit between two account really looks like Merit absue.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418 Now I have a nagtive trust and do only have 22 merrits and the person who abuses the system himself gives me negative trust !! So, you are saying that The Pharmacist abusing Merit system? Well, if you are making such kind of accusations, you need to provide some proofs. You wanted proof? here you go, I posted it immediately right after I got negative trust from the pharmacist, but nobody cares: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3162720.msg33010310#msg33010310 What I see is that this forum has turned into an elite club with pompous prick behaviour. All the high levels are doing the exact same thing with their merits but they block other people from advancing by sending them negative trust their way, no wonder lots of people, including even developers of coins, left this forum and more do so by the day. I don't see how The Pharmacist abused Merit system. If he sent his sMerits to TMAN and Jet Cash and also received Merit from these users, it doesn't mean anything. Jet Cash and TMAN are among top merited users - it indicates that they are making great posts, so it's normal thing that they received Merit from same users numerous times. It can't be compared with your story when you just exchanged Merit with your friend. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on April 02, 2018, 11:45:48 PM Jet Cash and TMAN are among top merited users - it indicates that they are making great posts There you go. I didn't even think about how many other merits either one had earned, but it's true, and it's why I merited each of them. I've given out a ton of merits--hell, I've given out all of what I was airdropped plus all the sMerits I earned, and only a few of them went to Jet Cash or TMAN. They write damn good posts, and that's way more than can be said for everyone I suspect of merit abuse. In fact, that's the reason I don't suspect members like Jet Cash, TMAN, and the like of trading merit because they don't have to. Their posts are sufficiently interesting such that they do not have to buy it.The low-ranked shitposters OTOH are precisely the ones who do. They can get merits only if they buy them or trade with friends. I just saw an account farmer's thread today, charging something like $18/merit for bought accounts and obviously he was using alt accounts to give those merits out. I thought I was going to vomit. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: cabalism13 on April 03, 2018, 04:38:23 AM I got negative trust from this user but what he is doing is abusing the merrit system himself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418 Now I have a nagtive trust and do only have 22 merrits and the person who abuses the system himself gives me negative trust !! As I was viewing on THE PHARMACIST's old post I have seen this thread and your problem with him. And as I looked onto your profile, well, mate you have a serious violation there. That's why you have been given a Negative Trust. This is a forbidden rule of the Merit System, to exchange or even buy it from someone. Even me I'm afraid of getting Negative Trust from the DTs that's why I think surely or even have proofs to determine on how will I explain my side. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: Lady Ong on April 03, 2018, 05:20:25 AM Since banning of account is useless because everyone can just create new account at different IP address, I guess putting red mark on scammers is much better so that everyone can be notified about this account, specially legendary accounts.
Some are not scammer but I think they've done things against the forum's rule and the mark will be there until they ask for forgiveness. Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: mdayonliner on April 03, 2018, 06:17:20 AM I would like to know the reason why people have negative trust on their profile. I wonder why most of us are too lazy to explore the stickies on the meta ::) I hope you already had your answers however miraculously if you have not yet then jump on this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Q: What is Trust and how does it work? A: Trust is Bitcointalk's feedback based on trust (hence the name). The Trust system is made of 2 components: the Trust list and left feedback. The Trust list is where you select the users whose feedback on other users you trust and how deep is this trust. You can either trust just their feedback (select the Trust depth as 0), theirs and their trusted users feedback (Trust depth 1), and so on (up until Trust depth 3). Trusted feedback will be counted when displayed as numbers to the left of a users post in trade boards such as Marketplace or Goods. The feedback page is where you can leave feedback on other users or see a detailed view of a users feedback. Trusted feedback will be shown first and untrusted feedback will be hidden by default. You can view it by clicking the link "Show ratings". Last of all, you can see all the feedback the user has left on others. This covers the basics of the Trust system. If you want a more in depth description of the Trust system and details I probably missed, go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0). Good luck! Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: nc50lc on April 03, 2018, 06:25:39 AM People get tagged from starting this kind of threads.
This for example, is just a "one-questionnaire" which can be answered through the search function or by reading stickies. So, better lock this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2841800.0) now or else. -That was a joke, but locking your answered threads is a good practice- Title: Re: negative trust: why do people get it on bitcointalk.org Post by: siap86 on April 03, 2018, 08:01:49 AM because many of them make a post that contains fraudulent or intentionally makes a post just to increase the number of their post and not very high quality.
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