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Title: Found BTCs?
Post by: WuLabsWuTecH on June 16, 2013, 10:46:10 PM
So I just got into NameCoins b/c my mining pool is now also issuing those.  I went to register at a namecoin exchange and got an error that my email was already in use.  Weird, i thought, but I guess I could have set up an account without remembering it.  I went to retrieve my password and logged into the account without problem (it was a password reset so I have no idea if it's one of my typical passwords or not).  Funny thing is that once I logged in, there were BTC there and NMC and all sorts of other currency there that I have no recollection of putting there.  We're talking a pretty big amount, even if it was from a decade ago when I dabbled in BTC and then forgot about it, there is no way I had that many.  We're off by a few orders of magnitude.

I figured that they were accidentally transmitted to a wrong address or something, but since BTC is untraceable, how do I return this money?

There is one more possibility, which is someone used my email address to signup for an account.  The email I use for this account is something very generic, like bob@yahoo.com (not actually it, but as an example).  Could this actually be an active account that someone is using with a fake email address?

What do I do here?


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: ct1aic on June 16, 2013, 10:49:28 PM
Change your email & site password and transfer the BTC to your actual wallet...  ;D


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: firefop on June 16, 2013, 10:50:33 PM
Even assuming they registered with your email address... how would they have enabled the account without confirming email address?

Maybe you're just not remembering it... or it's some glitch on the exchanges side. Either way I say... enable second factor authentication and count yourself lucky... since trying to source the other 'owner' of your account seems nearly impossible.



Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: SkRRJyTC on June 16, 2013, 10:58:45 PM
Send some of the BTC to me to forensically examine.

19g5hg1xiSigar1uRqqSWnpAtqBZ3h3dge


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: ct1aic on June 17, 2013, 04:38:08 AM
Send some of the BTC to me to forensically examine.

19g5hg1xiSigar1uRqqSWnpAtqBZ3h3dge

And the rest to me, to see if it's Radioactive...  ;D


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: AliceWonder on June 17, 2013, 04:44:20 AM
My guess it is stolen currency to begin with and the account was created through an exploit in the web interface.

Change your password on your e-mail account though just in case that has been compromised and you never knew it.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: Abdussamad on June 17, 2013, 04:45:54 AM
I bet your email account got hacked. Also maybe your computer has malware in it.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: torbank on June 17, 2013, 04:52:13 AM
We're talking a pretty big amount, even if it was from a decade ago when I dabbled in BTC and then forgot about it, there is no way I had that many.

A decade?


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: WuLabsWuTecH on June 17, 2013, 04:54:00 AM
it's a gmail account so I looked through the ip logs and nothing seemed out of the ordinary except a few from foreign countries that were blocked by gmail.  Ran malware scan on this computer and nothing came up.  But I have used school computers, work computer etc before.  Fortunately, this email is not one I use for my actual stuff and is a throwaway email so I'm not too worried.  But I'm guessing that since there is no way to figure out where it came from (and it may just have come from past WULabs as a gift to the present WULabs) I can ethically keep it?  (And I seriously doubt I would have left this amount of BTC in an online exchange account and forgotten about it for ~5 or 6 years).  We're talking quite a bit of zeros...


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: WuLabsWuTecH on June 17, 2013, 04:55:23 AM
We're talking a pretty big amount, even if it was from a decade ago when I dabbled in BTC and then forgot about it, there is no way I had that many.

A decade?

idk if it's actually been a decade...  I first dabbled in BTC shortly after it came out.  Right as I entered high school I believe.  I would have been 13 or 14 at the time?  Maybe it was late in high school.  But I played with it, but it wasn't worth anything and you couldn't really do anything with it so I quit mining after some time and forgot all about it until earlier this year.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: Eb0la on June 17, 2013, 04:56:11 AM
what pool   I want to try my e-mails there too! :D


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: Voogru on June 17, 2013, 05:21:26 AM
You found my coins! Thanks.

Go ahead and send them to 1GCPtL8Xj1yvkfcPUgsc4MrAHc48Rzn9b3, be sure to keep 10% for yourself as a reward.

:D

But seriously, bitcoin isn't a decade old. So I wonder if this is even real. Pictures or it didn't happen.



Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on June 17, 2013, 05:29:11 AM
Can I have your autograph! I've never met anyone here with integrity.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: WuLabsWuTecH on June 17, 2013, 05:50:16 AM
You found my coins! Thanks.

Go ahead and send them to 1GCPtL8Xj1yvkfcPUgsc4MrAHc48Rzn9b3, be sure to keep 10% for yourself as a reward.

:D

But seriously, bitcoin isn't a decade old. So I wonder if this is even real. Pictures or it didn't happen.



A decade is a guesstimate of when I was bitcoining.  I graduated in 2008 and just graduated college last year so maybe closer to 5 years :)


I was a technogeek in high school and built my own computers and such.  So it was rightabouts there.

I guess if I can find that old wallet address I can show that to you from where I kept the BTC for all these years?  But that would require plugging in my old computer (I've since moved to more modern equipment...)

The other thing is I haven't tried signing up for a new account with this exchange.  It could be that like some of the mining pools or exchanges, you don't need to click a verification link?

But yes, if it's someone who made an honest mistake I want to get them their BTC back.  If it's someone who's playing games and thought they could use my email for free, I'm keeping the BTC.  and if it's a high school me who forgot about my gift to myself, I'll sing happy birthday to me all the way to the bank!


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: firefop on June 17, 2013, 05:53:44 AM
it's a gmail account so I looked through the ip logs and nothing seemed out of the ordinary except a few from foreign countries that were blocked by gmail.  Ran malware scan on this computer and nothing came up.  But I have used school computers, work computer etc before.  Fortunately, this email is not one I use for my actual stuff and is a throwaway email so I'm not too worried.  But I'm guessing that since there is no way to figure out where it came from (and it may just have come from past WULabs as a gift to the present WULabs) I can ethically keep it?  (And I seriously doubt I would have left this amount of BTC in an online exchange account and forgotten about it for ~5 or 6 years).  We're talking quite a bit of zeros...

I think, without any way to track down the 'owner' you should have no compunction about keeping it. But hey if you'd like to start a small charity fund with some of it feel free to toss me PM. I'm doing largely mildly-speculative investment management for my family and friends - mostly just arbitrage, and you're welcome to park some coin with me for awhile and see how it grows.



Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: AliceWonder on June 17, 2013, 05:58:22 AM
I really suspect they are stolen or black market and that account was used as part of their laundering.

If the web interface was open to an sql injection attack (lots are, crappy lazy coders don't use prepared statements and don't validate input) the account could have been created without needing e-mail verification. Especially if they don't use a salted hash. Insert e-mail and a hash and now they have account that isn't tied to them.

There's no way to know who they coins were stolen from, or what drugs were bought with them, keep them.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: farfiman on June 17, 2013, 06:03:36 AM
It belongs to pirate...


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: odolvlobo on June 17, 2013, 06:11:03 AM
Does the exchange have a history of transactions for your account? Maybe the transaction history will shed some light.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: farlack on June 17, 2013, 06:15:19 AM
Well if you don't want your 'dirty' money, you can give me a small business loan to be repaid with interest of clean money.

PM Me :D


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: dhenson on June 17, 2013, 07:12:56 AM
Just because my interest has been piqued... what kind of balances are we talking about here.  I'd like to know how envious I should be.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: aceking on June 17, 2013, 07:19:10 AM
just keep them


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: bigdude on June 17, 2013, 07:58:42 AM
can always donate to charity  :)


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: Este Nuno on June 17, 2013, 08:13:23 AM
You guys are getting trolled.

There was no btc close to ten years ago and pools are a new thing.

Op is full of shit.

Yes, and it's a really weak trolling effort as well.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: prophetx on June 17, 2013, 09:51:41 AM
So I just got into NameCoins b/c my mining pool is now also issuing those.  I went to register at a namecoin exchange and got an error that my email was already in use.  Weird, i thought, but I guess I could have set up an account without remembering it.  I went to retrieve my password and logged into the account without problem (it was a password reset so I have no idea if it's one of my typical passwords or not).  Funny thing is that once I logged in, there were BTC there and NMC and all sorts of other currency there that I have no recollection of putting there.  We're talking a pretty big amount, even if it was from a decade ago when I dabbled in BTC and then forgot about it, there is no way I had that many.  We're off by a few orders of magnitude.

I figured that they were accidentally transmitted to a wrong address or something, but since BTC is untraceable, how do I return this money?

There is one more possibility, which is someone used my email address to signup for an account.  The email I use for this account is something very generic, like bob@yahoo.com (not actually it, but as an example).  Could this actually be an active account that someone is using with a fake email address?

What do I do here?

send me 100BTC and I will tell you where they came from  ;D


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: johnyj on June 17, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
So I just got into NameCoins b/c my mining pool is now also issuing those.  I went to register at a namecoin exchange and got an error that my email was already in use.  Weird, i thought, but I guess I could have set up an account without remembering it.  I went to retrieve my password and logged into the account without problem (it was a password reset so I have no idea if it's one of my typical passwords or not).  Funny thing is that once I logged in, there were BTC there and NMC and all sorts of other currency there that I have no recollection of putting there.  We're talking a pretty big amount, even if it was from a decade ago when I dabbled in BTC and then forgot about it, there is no way I had that many.  We're off by a few orders of magnitude.

I figured that they were accidentally transmitted to a wrong address or something, but since BTC is untraceable, how do I return this money?

There is one more possibility, which is someone used my email address to signup for an account.  The email I use for this account is something very generic, like bob@yahoo.com (not actually it, but as an example).  Could this actually be an active account that someone is using with a fake email address?

What do I do here?

Just contact the exchange owner and see what history they got on their sever regarding this account. Bitcoin is honest money, so should bitcoin users :) If indeed no one has touched those coins for ages then you can claim them


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: AliceWonder on June 17, 2013, 10:47:15 AM
You guys are getting trolled.

There was no btc close to ten years ago and pools are a new thing.

Op is full of shit.

Yes, and it's a really weak trolling effort as well.

I make that mistake all the time. As in something that happened 5 years ago will seem like a decade to me and come out that way.
Not all of us are good at making time estimates in our head even when it should be obvious. Different minds work different ways.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: malevolent on June 17, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
When BTC first came out we were years away from the first pool.
The guy is clearly trolling and has no idea about BTC history.

Exactly, he could have at least prepared better  :D

There was no Bitcoin a 'decade ago'.

There was no Bitcoin '5 or 6 years ago' either.

AFAIR slush set up the first mining pool in December 2010 (2.5 years ago).


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: junglist.massive on June 17, 2013, 11:38:08 AM
dirty digital money
this is how we roll!


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on June 17, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
When BTC first came out we were years away from the first pool.
The guy is clearly trolling and has no idea about BTC history.

Exactly, he could have at least prepared better  :D

There was no Bitcoin a 'decade ago'.

There was no Bitcoin '5 or 6 years ago' either.

AFAIR slush set up the first mining pool in December 2010 (2.5 years ago).

Sadly slush does not have all sorts of alt coins so rules them out. But OP... What a fool.

Goat you fucked up! You don't just come out and call someone a troll because you know it to be true. You troll them back. Hasn't the past year of trolling Matthew taught you anything? lol

You've been trolling him the wrong way since the website deal fell through. I could give you some instruction for a small fee. rofl

BTW: You're use of written English has vastly improved over the last two years. I'm impressed.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: larem on June 17, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
Just because my interest has been piqued... what kind of balances are we talking about here.  I'd like to know how envious I should be.

Just wanted to say... you're the first person I've seen (out of hundreds) that knows how to spell piqued properly. Most type "peaked" or "peeked."


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: bitbybit2 on June 17, 2013, 10:28:41 PM
It is like a dime in the street. You pick it up and throw it back again.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: neurobox on June 17, 2013, 11:18:11 PM
I have the opposite problem, I'm sure I mined a bunch years ago, but can't find a single account anywhere with it, so I know one way you can make it ethically right... ;)


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: nutica on June 18, 2013, 10:02:02 PM
I use for my actual stuff and is a throwaway email so I'm not too worried.  But I'm guessing that since there is no way to figure out where it came from (and
Which email service did you used? If you used a disposable email service like mailinator or guerrillamail then I know a possible answer to this mystery. :)


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: bitbybit2 on June 18, 2013, 11:11:01 PM
Bitcoin guy with a conscience.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: bitbybit2 on June 18, 2013, 11:11:34 PM
Bitcoin guy with a conscience.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: mprep on June 19, 2013, 11:57:24 AM
Bitcoin guy with a conscience.
You double posted. Also this whole story seems unlikely. People don't usually leave lots of bitcoins, that are worth a LOT of cold hard cash, lying around.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: exogan on June 19, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
So I just got into NameCoins b/c my mining pool is now also issuing those.  I went to register at a namecoin exchange and got an error that my email was already in use.  Weird, i thought, but I guess I could have set up an account without remembering it.  I went to retrieve my password and logged into the account without problem (it was a password reset so I have no idea if it's one of my typical passwords or not).  Funny thing is that once I logged in, there were BTC there and NMC and all sorts of other currency there that I have no recollection of putting there.  We're talking a pretty big amount, even if it was from a decade ago when I dabbled in BTC and then forgot about it, there is no way I had that many.  We're off by a few orders of magnitude.

I figured that they were accidentally transmitted to a wrong address or something, but since BTC is untraceable, how do I return this money?

There is one more possibility, which is someone used my email address to signup for an account.  The email I use for this account is something very generic, like bob@yahoo.com (not actually it, but as an example).  Could this actually be an active account that someone is using with a fake email address?

What do I do here?

1. BTC isn't untraceable, you can ask the exchange for the TXIDs that were generated when the specified address got the deposits ( most exchanges if not all, generate custom addresses for each user ). You can also check your deposit address on the blockchain to see from where the inputs came.

2. The idea that somebody actually sent BTC to a wrong address is almost as plausible as choosing a random number out of a pool of billions of different numbers and guess it.

3. Everything about this post sounds fishy.


Title: Re: Found BTCs?
Post by: neurobox on June 19, 2013, 05:03:30 PM
...
3. Everything about this post sounds fishy.

Smells off, I agree, but unless it's someone making a case for plausible deniability WRT ill-gotten gains, I don't see how such a thread could lead to any kind of con job..