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Title: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: chrisfatos on November 06, 2017, 11:30:04 AM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Dart18 on November 06, 2017, 11:32:36 AM
It is already affecting the altcoin price so it would be better to hold them.
Regarding the bitcoin price. It is too expensive now to buy more and go with the flow of others. Better just holdbit too if you have some.
I wont withdraw my alts just so I could get something from that fork. There will be a lot of lost if I do so.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: asdlolciterquit on November 06, 2017, 12:04:30 PM
The real question is: will btc survive the segwitx2 fork? and if so... how? It will be still most important crypto or it will be second?

Only with these answers we can know what happen to btc price


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: khokon150 on November 06, 2017, 12:08:38 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

Normally everybody knows When Bitcoin value is increasing on the opposite alt coin market is badly reducing.Fork is now very important topics fork is running in this time BTC already huge increasing.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: styca on November 06, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?


Nobody knows. Support for 2x is diminishing, but I think the market in general is expecting a repeat of BTC cash, and so people are accumulating BTC. No-one knows how this will all play out. Just don't make any panicked decisions.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: ditinhu on November 06, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
These forks are going to end up hurting bitcoin because today everyone is holding the coin because of these forks. After finishing all this I think that investors will start to exchange their bitcoins for altcoins. if this happens the price of bitcoin will go down and much.

who buy altcoins at that time can have a very high profit in the long run, because at the moment all the altcoins are low.

I hope these forks end up stopping at some point for the altcoins to rise again.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: chrisfatos on November 06, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
These forks are going to end up hurting bitcoin because today everyone is holding the coin because of these forks. After finishing all this I think that investors will start to exchange their bitcoins for altcoins. if this happens the price of bitcoin will go down and much.

who buy altcoins at that time can have a very high profit in the long run, because at the moment all the altcoins are low.

I hope these forks end up stopping at some point for the altcoins to rise again.
You mentioned "hurt" bitcoin, but forks are supposed to improve or change Bitcoin, right? How would forks hurt Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: eminemcookie on November 06, 2017, 12:36:55 PM
It is affecting altcoins negatively and bitcoin positively, that much is clear to pretty much everyone, what will happen after the fork? That's the million dollar question, it depends on how much support there is for either side, if eventually the fork is quite smooth then things will be a bit less frenzied I feel in the market but if there is a large split then bitcoin prices will fluctuate wildly and altcoins will do so as a result of that.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: pjhom on November 06, 2017, 12:41:28 PM
I'm hoping that after the fork money moves back into Alts.  I'm worried that people may go to cash instead and we may see a flattening out of the market as a whole for a while.  Things have rocketed up so fast, they have to slow down.  With all the hedgefunds and other big money coming in, they will be more likely to mess with prices, shorting various coins to manipulate markets.  I think that since this space is so unregulated it could become even more "wild-wild west" as existing whales battle it out with the new sophisticated HF's and other private equity money.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: thesmallgod on November 06, 2017, 12:48:25 PM
the fork is already affecting altcoin negatively and Bitcoin is rising steadily however, I think the forks is presume to help improve the Bitcoin. and i think it is better to hold altcoin now becuase if you sell it you will lose alot. I believe altcoin will rise again after the fork people will come back to invest in altcoin. and talking about buying and investing in BTC now will be difficult beause the price is very high now


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: crptotrader007 on November 06, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
The fork is already affecting the Bitcoin's and Altcoin's price resulting in Bitcon's price to increase and Altcoin's price to decrease.
People are buy more Bitcoin so that they can gain more profit from the free B2X they are going to receive after the fork.
They will either sell the BTC for fiat or buy Altcoins for BTC after the fork. So the resulting change will be vice versa after the fork.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: poodle63 on November 06, 2017, 12:54:52 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

The more money will fly to the fork coin. that means there will be another crash caused by the fork coin but you must remember if that will be happened after the fork coin network will live.
that will not happen if the network still not live and those fork coin holders will not able to send their coin.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: danmoris on November 06, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

It will alter how some data is stored on the network. Specifically speaking, it will remove transaction malleability, an issue that once resolved could lead to a number of network improvements.
It would set a timeline for increasing the network's block size to 2MB, up from 1MB today, to be triggered about three months after the SegWit activation.
As regards the latter part of the question, realistically speaking, its unsure at this point - Bitcoin could take a dip and Altcoins could start increasing in value during because some people will start selling there and begin to buy in Altcoin...or, Bitcoin will become better than ever and continue its ascension to the moon!



Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: teilwalL05 on November 06, 2017, 01:02:38 PM
The fork is already affecting the Bitcoin's and Altcoin's price resulting in Bitcon's price to increase and Altcoin's price to decrease.
People are buy more Bitcoin so that they can gain more profit from the free B2X they are going to receive after the fork.
They will either sell the BTC for fiat or buy Altcoins for BTC after the fork. So the resulting change will be vice versa after the fork.

It will really affect the value and fluctuation of each and every coins regarding this coming Fork and I think Bitcoin is the more affected one than every Altcoins out there, we can see it from the bitcoin price and because of this hard fork money is getting into bitcoin because many are expecting to get free coins from the upcoming Hard Fork.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: BitcoinDiamond on November 06, 2017, 01:20:32 PM
The fork is already affecting the Bitcoin's and Altcoin's price resulting in Bitcon's price to increase and Altcoin's price to decrease.
People are buy more Bitcoin so that they can gain more profit from the free B2X they are going to receive after the fork.
They will either sell the BTC for fiat or buy Altcoins for BTC after the fork. So the resulting change will be vice versa after the fork.

It will really affect the value and fluctuation of each and every coins regarding this coming Fork and I think Bitcoin is the more affected one than every Altcoins out there, we can see it from the bitcoin price and because of this hard fork money is getting into bitcoin because many are expecting to get free coins from the upcoming Hard Fork.


Exactly this. I hate free coins!


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: rajuahmed330 on November 06, 2017, 01:30:39 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

Bitcoin fork will affect bitcoin. Running in fork bitcoin transactions are not allow.  It get times many. Sometimes alt coin price going very down. In last bitcoin fork getting bitcoin price so high. After End of hard fork again bitcoin will go down (my opinion, not any source). Altcoin will pump again.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: chrisfatos on November 06, 2017, 01:31:22 PM
The fork is already affecting the Bitcoin's and Altcoin's price resulting in Bitcon's price to increase and Altcoin's price to decrease.
People are buy more Bitcoin so that they can gain more profit from the free B2X they are going to receive after the fork.
They will either sell the BTC for fiat or buy Altcoins for BTC after the fork. So the resulting change will be vice versa after the fork.

It will really affect the value and fluctuation of each and every coins regarding this coming Fork and I think Bitcoin is the more affected one than every Altcoins out there, we can see it from the bitcoin price and because of this hard fork money is getting into bitcoin because many are expecting to get free coins from the upcoming Hard Fork.


Exactly this. I hate free coins!
Explain free coins please?


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Catmony on November 06, 2017, 01:43:39 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

Upcoming fork will just bring another altcoin (copy of bitcoin) into crypto world in which few people might get crazy and buy at high prices. But within a week or month, there will be series of dump from big bitcoin holders where all newbie who have invested few weeks earlier will be eaten alive  ;D ;D

After fork bitcoin price might correct a little bit whiel altcoin will boom.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: haroldtee on November 06, 2017, 01:45:03 PM
These forks are going to end up hurting bitcoin because today everyone is holding the coin because of these forks. After finishing all this I think that investors will start to exchange their bitcoins for altcoins. if this happens the price of bitcoin will go down and much.

who buy altcoins at that time can have a very high profit in the long run, because at the moment all the altcoins are low.

I hope these forks end up stopping at some point for the altcoins to rise again.
You mentioned "hurt" bitcoin, but forks are supposed to improve or change Bitcoin, right? How would forks hurt Bitcoin?

If we keep having too many forks, it would end up affecting Bitcoin's immutability. Sure, we have 21 million coins and if any developer comes with its own theory that the legacy developer does not agree with, then they end up divorcing and then creating a fork.
 
Now, imagine what would end up happening it this keeps going on... it would then prove so many of these financial dudes right that in as much as the blockchain technology is here to change everything, having control is what makes it better, which I do not agree but I feel there should be a law on forks before we start seeing like 50 different UNNECESSARY forks coming up later in future as I do not see any of them improving bitcoin but just some pure developer's greed.

Now, I learned there is going to be another fork by December called Bitcoin Silver and everything about it sucks. It is best for the community to stop seeing these forks as free money but high time we started discarding them and seeing them as scams.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Republicofizmir on November 06, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
Until the fork comes, BTC's price rise.
After fork, the price of altcoins increases.

Those who want to buy a new coin
They're get bitcoin and it's price rising.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: chrisfatos on November 06, 2017, 01:52:25 PM
These forks are going to end up hurting bitcoin because today everyone is holding the coin because of these forks. After finishing all this I think that investors will start to exchange their bitcoins for altcoins. if this happens the price of bitcoin will go down and much.

who buy altcoins at that time can have a very high profit in the long run, because at the moment all the altcoins are low.

I hope these forks end up stopping at some point for the altcoins to rise again.
You mentioned "hurt" bitcoin, but forks are supposed to improve or change Bitcoin, right? How would forks hurt Bitcoin?

If we keep having too many forks, it would end up affecting Bitcoin's immutability. Sure, we have 21 million coins and if any developer comes with its own theory that the legacy developer does not agree with, then they end up divorcing and then creating a fork.
 
Now, imagine what would end up happening it this keeps going on... it would then prove so many of these financial dudes right that in as much as the blockchain technology is here to change everything, having control is what makes it better, which I do not agree but I feel there should be a law on forks before we start seeing like 50 different UNNECESSARY forks coming up later in future as I do not see any of them improving bitcoin but just some pure developer's greed.

Now, I learned there is going to be another fork by December called Bitcoin Silver and everything about it sucks. It is best for the community to stop seeing these forks as free money but high time we started discarding them and seeing them as scams.
Another fork next month!  Does this mean they expect this one to fail?


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: danmoris on November 06, 2017, 02:21:43 PM
These forks are going to end up hurting bitcoin because today everyone is holding the coin because of these forks. After finishing all this I think that investors will start to exchange their bitcoins for altcoins. if this happens the price of bitcoin will go down and much.

who buy altcoins at that time can have a very high profit in the long run, because at the moment all the altcoins are low.

I hope these forks end up stopping at some point for the altcoins to rise again.
You mentioned "hurt" bitcoin, but forks are supposed to improve or change Bitcoin, right? How would forks hurt Bitcoin?

If we keep having too many forks, it would end up affecting Bitcoin's immutability. Sure, we have 21 million coins and if any developer comes with its own theory that the legacy developer does not agree with, then they end up divorcing and then creating a fork.
 
Now, imagine what would end up happening it this keeps going on... it would then prove so many of these financial dudes right that in as much as the blockchain technology is here to change everything, having control is what makes it better, which I do not agree but I feel there should be a law on forks before we start seeing like 50 different UNNECESSARY forks coming up later in future as I do not see any of them improving bitcoin but just some pure developer's greed.

Now, I learned there is going to be another fork by December called Bitcoin Silver and everything about it sucks. It is best for the community to stop seeing these forks as free money but high time we started discarding them and seeing them as scams.
Another fork next month!  Does this mean they expect this one to fail?
Bitcoin Silver is a fork of the Bitcoin blockchain that will occur in December. At the predetermined block height, Bitcoin Silver miners will begin creating blocks with a new proof-of-work algorithm, and this will cause a bifurcation of the Bitcoin blockchain. The original Bitcoin blockchain will continue on unaltered, but a new branch of the blockchain will split off from the original chain. The new branch is a distinct blockchain with the same transaction history as Bitcoin up until the fork, but then diverges from it. As a result of this process, a new cryptocurrency will be born.
The purpose of Bitcoin Silver is to make Bitcoin mining decentralized again. Satoshi Nakamoto’s idealistic vision of “one CPU one vote” has been superseded by a reality where the manufacture and distribution of mining equipment has become dominated by a very small number of entities, some of which have engaged in abusive practices against individual miners and the Bitcoin network as a whole. By changing Bitcoin’s proof-of-work algorithm from SHA256 to Equihash, all of the specialized SHA256 mining equipment will be obsolete for mining the Bitcoin Silver blockchain. Thus, Bitcoin Silver will provide an opportunity for countless new people around the world to participate in the mining process with widely-available consumer hardware that is manufactured and distributed by reputable mainstream corporations. A more decentralized, democratic mining infrastructure is more resilient and more in line with Satoshi’s original vision.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: RoommateAgreement on November 06, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

why should creating a new fork out of bitcoin even affect altcoins? worst case scenario is that they are just adding another one to the pile of altcoins. and the old altcoins will remain the same pump and dumps they used to be before the fork of bitcoin happen!

but this upcoming fork can affect bitcoin at least in the short term. we hope the damages are minimal and the result is like before but nobody can see the future so we only speculate about it.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Zagitta on November 06, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
Forkcoins are copies of the Bitcoin source code. Since Bitcoin is open source anyone can hire someone to audit the code, and then release it by slapping a different name on it and marketing it as being better than BTC. Altcoins were already scams, but forkcoins are the ultimate scams as they are asking for your private keys to get your coins, which is a huge privacy concern.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: styca on November 06, 2017, 11:13:10 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

why should creating a new fork out of bitcoin even affect altcoins? worst case scenario is that they are just adding another one to the pile of altcoins. and the old altcoins will remain the same pump and dumps they used to be before the fork of bitcoin happen!

but this upcoming fork can affect bitcoin at least in the short term. we hope the damages are minimal and the result is like before but nobody can see the future so we only speculate about it.

It affects alts because people move all of their money out of alts and into BTC in order to increase their BTC holdings and thus the amount of the new coin they will get at the fork. S2x is a bigger deal than btc cash though, and BTC could take a real hit this time around.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: IamHigh on November 06, 2017, 11:16:20 PM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

why should creating a new fork out of bitcoin even affect altcoins? worst case scenario is that they are just adding another one to the pile of altcoins. and the old altcoins will remain the same pump and dumps they used to be before the fork of bitcoin happen!

but this upcoming fork can affect bitcoin at least in the short term. we hope the damages are minimal and the result is like before but nobody can see the future so we only speculate about it.

Maybe, they steal the trade portion of altcoins. We all know that altcoins are dead without trade volumes, one can make crazy pumps and dumps without volume in altcoins and ico coins. That's the reason bitcoin forks are damaging altcoin ecosystem.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: vuvanle120 on November 07, 2017, 04:56:28 AM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?

why should creating a new fork out of bitcoin even affect altcoins? worst case scenario is that they are just adding another one to the pile of altcoins. and the old altcoins will remain the same pump and dumps they used to be before the fork of bitcoin happen!

but this upcoming fork can affect bitcoin at least in the short term. we hope the damages are minimal and the result is like before but nobody can see the future so we only speculate about it.

Maybe, they steal the trade portion of altcoins. We all know that altcoins are dead without trade volumes, one can make crazy pumps and dumps without volume in altcoins and ico coins. That's the reason bitcoin forks are damaging altcoin ecosystem.

We all know people will take the profit from bitcoin and buy back into al coins. Alt coins are dirt cheap now. I bet you it won't last a week before all the top alt coins moon again.  BTC will benefit from alt coins long term. Another reason for mainstream support.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: babsjoe on November 07, 2017, 05:09:17 AM
The news of folk after folk if bitcoin is good for bitcoin but bad for altcoin. I will repeat. Very bad for altcoin. Altcoin is down like 80 to 90% since bitcoin cash folk. Altcoin might not survive bitcoin folk event of which is starting to occur now every other months!


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: rickadone on November 09, 2017, 02:39:09 AM
The real question is: will btc survive the segwitx2 fork? and if so... how? It will be still most important crypto or it will be second?

Only with these answers we can know what happen to btc price
B2X seems to me the one that would end up not surviving the fork anyway. The only set of people supporting it are the miners and the bitcoin companies which to me do not really have much say compared to the users.

Users have totally backed out from the B2X since it seems glaring what the miners and NYA are after but only time will definitely let us know what happens eventually. One thing I am sure of is that I am dumping the B2X once I can.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Kevin77 on November 10, 2017, 06:40:23 AM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?
The truth is no one knows yet and we just have to stay on the lookout, knowing there is so much debate that has been going on with this fork right from the beginning. All the above, support has really dropped badly for B2X and I really do not see how it would end really being much of a contention as most people would drop theirs anyway.

Although, the replay protection has been a huge concern but I guess we just see how the events play out.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: J.westwood on November 10, 2017, 07:01:50 AM
Fork is the best alternative compared to the BTC. Buy the bitcoin is too expensive so fork is best today.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Cofee.BLUE on November 10, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
Bitcoib is the best and no other crypto can destroy bitcoin, even the ethereum or the best altcoin cannot reach the status of bitcoin, and even fork, and actually ive heard fork just when i read it in the forum,and my knowledgr about fork is limited but it cannot also reach bitcoin.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: pinoyden on November 10, 2017, 07:28:41 AM
What will upcoming fork bring and how will it affect Bitcoin and Altcoin?


i guess upcoming fork can greatly affect the values of bitcoin and altcoin because people will likely buy more and hold bitcoins right before the fork begins to get some free forked coins and as a result this can also affect the altcoins values because people will also sell their altcoins to buy more bitcoins or they trade it straightly to bitcoin to accumulate more bitcoin balance.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: weredo911 on November 10, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
Generally, before fork, people will sell altcoins to buy Bitcoin (altcoin down, bitcoin up). After fork few days, investors will sell Bitcoin to buy altcoin again (altcoin up, Bitcoin down).


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: Capeshifter on November 10, 2017, 10:37:59 AM
With the fork canceled there isn't much to yearn for in BTC territory. What I'm wondering is how BTC is still up. The only reason BTC has a rally the last months is because people were looking forward to get "free" coins after the fork. But since that won't be happening anymore, people realize that they are overinvested in BTC (how it's not yet reflected in terms of BTC price - I don't know), but eventually people will realize that it's currently over valued and will move money back into alts. The obvious players that will benefit the most are ETH and XRP, which already have the top positions, and maybe LTC. Either way it would be wise to be invested in altcoins right now because they already had a handsome boost lately and that might continue in the short term, and long term as well.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: sgenuine on November 10, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
The fork is cancelled (at least it will not happen in the middle of November), and here we see already the changes. All cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin and the most valuable altcoins Ethereum and LTC are growing. DASH and XPR jumped high.


Title: Re: Fork vs Bitcoin and Altcoin
Post by: gorodi on November 11, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
As soon as the announced before November Bitcoin fork was quitted, I suppose this month we will not see any new altcoin appearing as the fork result. It might let the existing altcoins grow further.

I wonder if December, 2017 fork will happen: it can bring Bitcoin Silver.