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I feel that in the coming years privacy coins will become more important. One of the features of cryptocurrency should be anonymous money transfers, at least this feature should lure many customers.
Look at the Muslim world and its completely private Hawala money transfer system.
1.3 billion people use the Hawala system.
So I am down to three privacy coins to eventually invest into on of those:

Verge, Deeponion and Spectre.

Could you give me an educated opinion which of the three has the best chances to rise, maybe not to the moon but tenfold would be nice. That is of course if customers should decide to make privacy an important feature when buying a coin.

Verge and Deeponion are just Bitcoin used with TOR, i have no ideas of Spectrecoin.   All transactions can be traced when using Bitcoin.   I sugest you to look into Monero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZi9xx6aiuY

https://i.imgur.com/AnVWvcY.jpg

i can only say this : xspec is currently undervalued and their tech/dev team is currently working hard on the software, they lack marketing but they are pretty new imo

OK guys, take a look at what Kovri is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxgbLI6IZGs&feature=youtu.be

Is not live but soon TM. Is years ahead then Tor or whatever Verge or Onion have.  Difference is that Monero also have 3 other important things to actually hide transactions and not just your IP :P

zencash ofc

Spectrecoin actually looks quite cool... I need to do more research on this coin, any link would be appreciated  :) :)

ZENCASH (ZEN) for TRUE Privacy and If you don't want ending up crying your heart out (yes deeponion we are looking at you)

For privacy features and return on investment, spectrecoin is the best option here. It is the most anonymous coins on the market and very undervalued. However, deeponion is more widely known due to a bigger marketing campaign so tough one.

I'm not sure why you think that these coins are going to be the future of anonymous transfers.

In my opinion, this field is led by Monero full stop. ZCash coming in as second and Dash third. PIVX is basically Dash. Deeponion is shady af and potentially a scam. Verge, never did reserach so can't say anything but market cap is low. Spectre, never heard of it till a week or two ago.

Stick to Monero, it has the greatest chance of being the succeeding force in anonymous txs.

I feel like a lot of the hype with deeponion is just created by the holders who participated in the airdrops, I've yet to really see anyone who doesn't really benefit financially shouting their praises of deeponion.

Why is it that you all feel private transfers is so important however? If you don't mind sharing, personally I don't really see any reason so I'm interested.

not deep onion :P
they hardly release something really useful.. only working on their bounty rules

All those coins seem like they've been played and used up already. I wouldn't want to invest in a coin like that.

I have no idea about they are all. I only know about the monero as the best privacy coin in this time, you can try to see that in the future. they are all not worth to be your investment. zcash seems better than it.

Verge what the fuck, it is a newbie coin, how do you know that it is going to be the best one from all that list? And deeponion is a good project, only a good project for those who are collecting their onions on the signature campaign, otherwise, it is not profitable for the investors.
Monero is, and is going to be the best anonymous coin, no matter what, it has been in here for years, and nobody had issues with this coin regarding to the anonymity.
So i will keep holding them for a long time, i am not in a hurry to dump them, because i really trust on their system.

None among the three mentioned. In terms of privacy and anonymity, nothing can beat Monero for me. Not especially the ones that are very new and are still on the process of fully developing their coins and projects in general. Verge is great. But still below Monero. Spectre and Deeponion are both very new in the field and have really yet to prove that theirs is the best choice for an anonymous transaction. Monero is still the leader for now.

You do know Kovri is exactly what Verge has. Tor+I2P integration. Verge has Atomic Swaps too, just a terrible team behind it which is why it wont take off.

Totally agree. It is only luck/timing, being in the right place at the right time, that XSPEC = 0,40$ - Monero 120$ - Dash 450$

I like XMR a little better, XSPEC is like DSH in that regard that it allows non-anonymous transactions which is very bad for privacy. Exchanges etc. could force customers to use the public transaction type.

But hey, DSH is 1000 times higher than XSPEC and does not have tor integration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spectre could be the dark horse of the three coins you gave but Monero would still be the king.

DeepOnion fanboi here :)
There is a lot going on in the forums, but if you take a closer look, you'll see that there is development on the more technical side too, and at least up to now, the devs are delivering ahead of schedule, so I think the DeepSend functionality, that makes it even more anonymous, will be implemented when they say it will, which is "Q4", so before the new year.
It could be time to stop the fud and start the stacking.
Noob fanboi signing out :D

I see that no one is talking about NAV here. I suggest you to read what Navtech is about https://navcoin.org/news/a-guide-to-navtech/ (https://navcoin.org/news/a-guide-to-navtech/). I'm sure more intrigued by this then two coins with just a TOR integration. NAV will also launch smart contracts in the future to develop adapps (anonymous dapps)

Verge for more than 2 years already. She's earned her place and showed stability. This year she made happy a few hundred people who bought it even at 1 sat and sold more than 150. X200 this year made verge the highest price I think was around 240

From the technology point of view, anonymity is not Equal Xscpectr. None of the Thor platform is not to compete with her. Now greatly underestimated. only 4000 sat is

Have deeponion one of the fastest growing communities in the crypt. Developers pretty interesting planned tocoi way AIRDROP baunty and this attracted so many people to your project.

About investments I would invest 40% in Xspectr 40% ONION 20% verge

Verge and Spectrecoin could be great
but verge is working more on marketing
spectrecoin really want to be anonymous

For the privacy purposes, you easily pick Monero or zcash. They're perfect and there is no question about their reputation in the way they work and operate. The other would be waste of time for me actually.

did Spectre successfully implement zero knowledge as once was indicated, and if so, how does it compare with the zerocoin protocol?

Spectrecoin doesn't use zero knowledge proofs (but ring signatures), and it is good so. ZFS (Zero knowledge proof method) requires trusted setup, what is quite bad situation for crypto currency. It is almost impossible or at least very complicated and difficult to do it properly.
In order to have zero proofs, one has to create a private key, which is very dangerous, because it makes possible for everyone with the key to forge proofs. Private key is required only temporarily, and according to protocol it should be destroyed, but who can guarantee you this, that no one present at the time of the key creation won't see/remember/save the key for later use?

Zcache uses zero knowledge proofs, what requires trusted setup. Read the post above for explanation, or better google it to understand why is that an issue.

Monero is great coin, but spectrecoin is also good, and definitely undervalued, which is a great opportunity for investment. It already has Tor obfuscation OBFS4(One can use it ie behind Great Firewall of Chine, which blocks Tor. Tested), stealth addresses etc., and should very soon (I would say Q1 2018, maybe end of 2017) receive significant update (1.4), to be followed with even better one (2.0).

Shoooooot,
So Spectre was 0.4 USD
It is now 2 USD.

I found it pretty fast confirmation, couple seconds.
It is also bery cool

It specs speaks for it self.

I like staking, it makes coin to make network stronger.
Low power, strong annonymous coin.
http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin


I ll give it a shoot from my bitcoin cash benefit.
I ll buy more after selling more BCH

Verge, even Monero accepted on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRUghgNXkAAKy6W.jpg

I would say that Deep Onion is much secured and when it comes to features it dominates other altcoins.

Deep Onion is community is good very friendly and you can learn a lot from their official forum.

All the other coins can do all they want and say all the want, but to me the only real use anonymity alt is Monero. Yes, I am well aware it is behind price wise of Dash and Zcash,,, but I have never still seen use for those two coins, so for me, I cannot really explain how I as a normal user would ever need them when Monero already meets all my needs. Also, it is not getting important, it has always been important. Bitcoin still values privacy a lot. It is anonymity you are talking about I am sure.

It seems that I have to agree here.
Spectre can be a dark horse while Monero ll be the king.

Spectre is a dark horse with superior specification.
Just love it

You are right.
I also found this coin very fast,
It can not be blocked by any government as it is integrated with TOR.

Amazing capabilities as annonymous coin.
I ll keep more

Zencash is just a zcash clone. Those transactions are not as private as you think.

Here is a research paper that explains it it detail. http://jeffq.com/blog/on-the-linkability-of-zcash-transactions/ (http://jeffq.com/blog/on-the-linkability-of-zcash-transactions/)

ZCL is doing amazingly good price wise lol . I'd stay away from xvg, just one dev, his github looks like a joke, I bet that he fill find again an excuse for the next missed deadline for wraith protocol

I agree. Coins focusing on Privacy became attractive within the last weeks (Verge, XSpec...). My questions is just looking into the world of todays business,  big players in the industry and finance landscape for sure do not want this.

You are aware that that's a bot and Monero is FOSS--not sure who runs that bot, but it probably aggregates news from twitter or reddit--so calling it an endorsement by Monero is pretty lame (not sure if you are ignorant of how news bots work or are being disingenuous).

Verge is just another shitcoin in parade of shitcoins that treat privacy as a feature and care more about claims than honest evaluation. The pattern is to claim some magical privacy upgrade, pump the price based on that upgrade and not deliver when it is supposed to be delivered.  What's great is they never explain how the upgrade works in a whitepaper and usually keep it closed source so no one knowledgeable can examine the code. The pattern is used so much that I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same devs doing it over and over again. In verge's case, they didn't hide the code, but merely tried to fool everyone into believing that TOR integration was the holygrail of privacy and that TOR integration is all you need to stay private. The reality is that IP data is not TX data, so unless you live in a country that has banned using cryptocurrencies, you do not gain anything by having TOR bolted on--people in these countries already can use most any coin over TOR or I2p, so even then, you are just skipping an easy step. The actual hard part is onchain anonymity (hiding the TX data).

Take care with Verge...

It´s a childish community (mostly comming from doge, as verge was DOGECOIN DARK before rebranding to verge) and they are faking twitter accounts and photoshoping screenshots...


DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH..

Monero is not saying anything about Verge... it´s fake accounts...

Mcafee is not recommending Verge... (he just commented it could be 0.15$ in a long term...). All the rest are fake news made by the Verge kids...


https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/946052577539579906
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/946041450415972352

As i said... Watchout...

Look at this hidden gem

Kurt
Www.kurtproject.com
Very smart anonim tech

If I had to choose, I would choose XVG. XVG has a very large community, very stable value with long-term development DEV team, XVG is always in the top coin has the most trading coinmarkercap. These are the reasons I would choose XVG instead of Spectrecoin and Deep Onion.

ONION is interesting, but is it still only distributed via airdrop? Do they also have a burn supply or is it artificially limited?

From this 3, I'd pick XVG. But you need to be careful, because this is just another pump and dump coin

I'm betting on DeepOnion.  They got some great features implemented and upcoming.  Also, it's community based, which suggests it's not just a cash grab and forget about it coin.  Giving away Onions in the airdrops is a great way to reward those that are loyal.  Plus, I like proof of stake because you can earn more coins without having to buy and run a mining rig.

I know it isn't on your list but I would have to say Monero. The value is higher than the coins you've listed and a lot of people rely on Monero's tech for private transactions. It's a proven coin, and I'm sure the value will continue to rise.

Good Time to buy xspec

Not sure what you use for comparison, but XSPEC has several privacy features which Monero does not have. Some even argue XSPEC is superior to Monero technically.

Definitely Spectrecoin. Tor integration with OBFS4 obfuscation. Stealth addresses coming up soon. This asset will skyrocket off the charts very soon. Hold on! It just launched! Lol. Soon the price will reach the stratosphere.

I agree. I finally broke down and made a cryptopia account just for xspec and it hasnt let me down.  So much room for growth, just no marketing so has to catch on naturally.

SpectreCoin already has:

- Integrated natively in-clinet TOR + masking TOR traffic mechanism (OBFS4) - helps to get though gov firewalls and provider monitoring
- Stealth Addresses
- Automatically Adjusted in size Ring Signatures (screws blockchain analyzers)
- 30-60 sec transactions on PoS

What will make it TOP10?

- Something no one in cryptoworld knows how to do - Staking (receiving rewards for supporting the network being a node) on Stealth Addresses - staking rewards come untraced

Small correction: stealth addresses are already implemented and working perfectly. At present, however, stealth addresses are an option. In a future version (Q2 2018), stealth addresses will be default.

Verge is just a pump and dump coin which already pumped by mcafee. Better choose the other 2 coins i.e. deeponion and spectrecoin. Go for a split of both coins to ensure you get the best of both worlds. They are going straight up in 2018

What people are saying about Monero is correct.  It's a great coin.  We've been hearing about Kovri for a long time now.  Hopefully they can get it implemented soon.

Of the three you actually asked about, SPECTRECOIN.  It's POSv3, It's wallet is integrated within TOR (so the problem with Janus (MITM) attacks are not an issue as it doesn't use exit nodes), it uses ring signatures (right now they are optional but they will be default coming this year), the 2.0 wallet is supposed to have anonymous staking. 
The other two I have reservations on.  Big ones.

I will count on DeepOnion.
In the past weeks there is a new developer in the team, a released whitepaper and a
working and stable wallet. You do not have to forget to have a view on the time schedule.
The intersting points comming in 2018 on the roadmap. For examble the android app.
But at the end there will be just one leading service...

See bolded: Has anyone seen the method of how they are going to achieve this? I'm calling vaporware until it is stated clearly in a white paper or the code is listed for public scrutiny. I'm amazed at how many times we have ridiculous claims and speculators just assume the developers are telling the truth or can actually deliver. Anonymous POS is one of the boldest claims in this space, yet some are treating it as a done deal without even having been told how it's going to be implemented--that's stupid.

Looking into ZOIN coin now.

These three coin is good for privacy coin.
1. Xspectre only small ammount in circullation and has a good feature for privacy. Ico only gathered 16k dollar.
2. Deep union distribution is from airdrop also will be used in tor network and by holding it you can get more deep union from airdrop.
3. Vege coin fast like doge coin and its privacy i called it doge in stealth mode.

based on tech alone, either xspec or verge. Although deep onion has done VERY well in the last couple months.

The Deep onion airdrop is more of a signature campaign than anything. But it provides a better distribution of coins this way instead of doing an ICO and allowing whales to gather a plethora. Also, the airdrop still has another 15 weeks i believe until its over so the price may correct once that happens.

DeepOnion -  super active staff,  huge community ,  new coin,  no ico,  growing step by step,  at the moment not listed in major exchanges

Xspec -  not a very new coin - 1y old. When it was 0.xx $ ,  no one mentioned him. When december was pumped all start to talk about xspec.

To sum up -  DeepOnion is better :)

maaan you conviced me that deeponion is better coin, very good arguments, i bet you know a lot about tech behind each coin

I cannot convince myself to buy and use deeponion. Its very hyped on forums because of airdrops but I cannot adopt it being good coin. On the other hand I love verge and spectre and believe them.

Verge is quite a good coin too, it won't start to take off because of the team behind it unfortunately, but hey... they deliver and people who already tested the Wraith Protocol, say it works just fine! I believe in this coin... and it can come to 0,70 by the end of Februari in my opinion.

Reading such a heavy amount of positive feelings about XVG makes my eyes bleed.

out of the ones you listed - definitely not XVG. Well at least i hope.

Nevertheless, as if someone did not like now XVG, it is ahead of all other projects and teams at the moment.

Private coins are becoming very popular and therefore in my investment portfolio they occupy a special place. Between all these coins I like Spectre, because it has a huge potential. When this coin will be added to popular exchanges its price will go to the Moon.

Verge = crap
Spectrecoin = paid people in order to spam everything (like you)
Deeponion = the whales "who have been in the airdrop" are the only ones who control the market, if they decide to sell, deeponion dies.

It is simple as that, you do not need any other explanation after this one.

oh god, no it's not ahead...

it's bitcoin behind tor with stealth addresses... monero had stealth addresses since 2014 but also hides amounts, let me show you what happens with optional privacy and not hiding amounts (like verge): https://z.cash/blog/new-research-on-shielded-ecosystem.html

you're just parrotting the xvg-devteam that lies, and the fanboys that don't know any better...

maybe try to do some actual research for yourself...

Of course privacy coins will become more important in the future, but I also fear that there will be government measures against privacy coins because people might start to try using them to avoid taxes etc. This could backfire heavily. As for which ones are the best, I personally prefer CLOAK and SUMO.

sumokoin is a fork of monero.... i prefer spectrecoin. Best and innovate technology

correct about sumokoin, it's just a cheap copy with a huge 10% premine... they bring nothing new to monero...

about xspec: it's pure vapourware at the moment... There's no proof whatsoever that they cracked stealth staking. There's no white paper, there's no technical details... there's no peerreview, there's just (empty) promises...

I like DeepOnion seems like the coin that will likely get more attention because of the great community and also the tech that gets steadily involved.
Sumo and Spectrecoin are also good choices, but dont go with verge! It was nice for a quick buck but nothing more. It will go down from where it is now.

Still my favourite is DeepOnion, they get some really nice speed these days and 100$ is surely possible so atleast an x5 for people who want to join now.

but why??? deeponion is not an anonymous coin, it has a rich list. This means:

• you send onions to me
• I get to see your address
• I can copy your address and look into the block explorer
• I can see how much onions you have, whom you transacted with, how much, at what time, etc...

http://explorer.deeponion.org/richlist (http://explorer.deeponion.org/richlist)

Please explain how this is an anonymous coin. Imagine you transfer money to me, and I can see how much is in your bank account, when and for how much and with who you transacted... would you say that is anonymous?

Verge, Spectre and Deeponion should develop their system more than this. Their way is too long from now on. I will say zcash and monero for privacy type coins. They proved their system and they were adopted as you know.

It's not anonymous, the fact that transactions go trough tor doens't make it anonymous. NAV is far away more anonymous then thar deeponion crap

I agree, deeponion is not anonymous... NAV uses centralized mixers though and also has optional anonimity, which is no good...

As far as I know, NAV has an unique concept, a transaction splits between the main chain and the so called sub chain, giving and untreceable transaction as output

Greetings to everyone!
There is a pretty new anonymous crypto which has a great potential to grow.
Is called BitcoinZ and is less than a dollar. Here is a video about it and an interactive explanation of the zkSNARKS algorithm:
https://youtu.be/3hVG888tOpY (https://youtu.be/3hVG888tOpY)

You guys need to list em all...
Dash, Zec, Monero, ZClassic, ZCoin,.ZEN, Deep Onion, PIVX, NAV, Ubiq, Cloak,
SpectreCoin, Hush, SumoKoin....
If you ever needed 100 percent guaranteed privacy, you would resort to something other than crypto to maintain privacy.

What do each & every one of these have in common?
Around last May-June, not one coin in that list was over $200.
The last 3 listed were 10 to 20 cents around September.

What are the facts?
Privacy carries no guarantee. Just to emphasize that, tor, the software used in so many of these coins--was created by the military. How safe could it be?

My advise is to buy before they go over $15, $35  $75..
Privacy coins using ZSnarks

Between the three, I'd go with XSPEC followed by Onion

Personally, I am a fan of DeepOnion and have moved a lot of my xvg over there.  It's true that the air drops have been a big driver of people over there and has been a great marketing ploy, but I would hardly call it a scam.  Just as important (maybe even more important) than the functionality of the coin is the network and DeepOnion is doing a great job of building a strong network.

Anyone who consider xvg as anonymous is noob with absolutely no tech knowledge. Verge only has optional stealth adressesing aka wraith, which does not even work now. One dev coding, not delivering promised roadmap since June, just postpone half of features with constant lying, then McAfee pumped it and now newbs keep yelling that Verge is private. Lol

Before judging for real the future of deeponion I wanna wait a couple months after airdrop will end (I'm waiting the same thing for Bitcore)

XSPEC is just a shill coin, no one takes this one seriously since all the posts in here about this one are paid ones, just like this thread, probably.
And Deeponion is crap too, no one cares about that one.

you should do your research before you talk trash about other coins you don't know anything about...where is your proof that they are being paid? you are making things up,if you keep up with this deluded posts no one will take you seriously in near future

I personally don't think people are paid, I think they just want to shill the coin so the price hikes and they make money but it is like a cult on here. 

so in a way, they get paid... :)

what nonsense do I have to read.... i have thousands of spec,.. I would love for them to pay me

Spectrecoin is a SCAM

It has a richlist that people can see everyones wallet amounts.  Along with the transcations.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/#!rich

Not only that:


The Top 1000 Holders of this SCAM control over 99% of the coins.


The Top 100 Holders of this SCAM control over 82.23% of the coins.

I think verge and deeponion are not the best coins you can choose from if you're looking for privacy coins. Don't know much about Spectrecoin though, but noticed that this coin is rising a lot of hype, so might be pretty valuable in the future.

Then Stratis is a scam, the top holder control 36% of all coins. You are retarded bro.

Ah, you again! Little Kim. Can't but try to bad mouth XSPEC.

Well, not matter what you try, you fail! The above list contains a majority of exchange wallets, you dumbo!

And you don't even realise that XSPEC transactions are only visible if the user chooses to.

You really have a problem, buddy.

Check the tech of XSPEC, and you will know that it's no hype.

Have you ever looked at what privacy features XSPEC has implemented? Probably not. Otherwise you would realise that it deserve every little bit of publicity and then some.

I personally recommend DeepOnion, when it comes to privacy and anonymity of the user best of the best DeepOnion is much UPPERHAND on its competitors.

But, just to let you know that i am already invested on this three altcoins.

DeepOnion will list on RightBTC on saturday 7 July, so grab some cheap onions now for a nice easy pump. The price will surely rise after getting listed on that high volume exchange

Verge
Verge is in the verge of introducing confidentiality on its platform and this will give Monero a run for its money. The introduction of Ring Confidential Transactions (RingCT) will offer the state of the art masking capabilities to Verge. The transformation is almost 50% done and once complete; the platform will offer high level ring signatures.
Verge is also working on RSK Smart contract deployment and the process is over 40% complete and this will accommodate a Verge virtual machine version. This will offer approximately 300 transactions every one second translating into payment confirmations in under 20 seconds.
Last but not least, Verge is about to launch its native 12P Android wallet. This however will be made public next year but it will be running on 12P network. This will be a very reliable system with enhanced privacy capabilities, secure and ability to communicate over the traditional internet.

Usually a coin get's dumped after it get's listed on a big exchange. Traders usually do the opposite of what a beginner would expect. Same goes for mainnet launches, buy on the hype then sell before it get's launched.

When a coin gets listed on binance it pumps up to the moon so that theory is not always true. There is a binance application is progress for deeponion but no confirmation of a listing yet .. ..

That thing still alive? Seems pretty dead to me, I knew that it would day after the airdrop phase, why anyone would accept payments in deeponion when we have monero and zcash alredy?

Zcash is centralised, and mining monero is also centralised. These are serious flaws in crypto privacy coins. Also there is more development on deeponion such as mobile wallets which monero is lacking.

It can happen with the onion in the long run. Many participants of the airdrop get rid of the coin. As well as other holders. This is shown in the chart. But who buys? I think that this is a few of people.

The good thing with DeepOnion is that despite of the bear market the Devs and most of the Admins haven't sold an Onion, showing a commitment that is unusual these days in any ICO, airdrops or crypto-project.

They keep working and releasing new developments, DeepSend may be around the corner, they're just waiting to get rid of weak hands selling onions almost for free and reversal in the general market sentiment, then I'm confident it will boom.

Why would anyone with a sane mind choose Onion over other privacy coins like Monero and Zcash, for example, for anon payments? Heck, as soon as the airdrop was done I don't even see twitter shills anymore, now there's another privacy coin being airdropped (prvacy or something like that), which will eventually die after the airdrop

Simply a sane one always chooses the best option that for me is Deeponion. The project is alive and well, so much so that the French Government puts it among the 4 untraceable cryptocurrencies. The development team is working hard and the results are seen.