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Bitcoin => Mining => Topic started by: Mazakguy on June 21, 2013, 07:14:43 PM



Title: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Mazakguy on June 21, 2013, 07:14:43 PM
hello all,

Looking for opinions on this.

Say you 4 mining rigs and want to solo mine.

 Is it better to point each one at the client, or make a private pool to point at the client.

It seems to me it would be better to do the private pool so the rigs don't work against eachother.

Is that how it works?

Just wondering, and yes I know 4 rigs is not much to solo mine, but wondering how the probabilitys work out.

Anyone know?

Edit:

I think I didn't state it clearly. My bad.

I mean having each rig point at MY bitcoin-qt, each rig solo mining by itself.

OR making my own pool with just MY rigs, and pointing the pool at MY bitcoin-qt, basicly solo mining with my OWN pool.

Maybe that states it better. Sorry for the mix-up ???


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: farlack on June 21, 2013, 09:16:49 PM
Probabilities work out instead of getting .01 bitcoin all the time, you get 25 every once and a while.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: True___Blue on June 21, 2013, 10:32:53 PM
Probabilities work out instead of getting .01 bitcoin all the time, you get 25 every once and a while.

How can you calculate the probabilities. I have 300 Mhash and I was thinking its not enough to solo mine on btc but probably enough to solo mine on some altcoins.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: legitnick on June 21, 2013, 11:50:10 PM
I would go with a pool, more easy and simple.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: bcpokey on June 22, 2013, 12:19:24 AM
Probabilities work out instead of getting .01 bitcoin all the time, you get 25 every once and a while.

How can you calculate the probabilities. I have 300 Mhash and I was thinking its not enough to solo mine on btc but probably enough to solo mine on some altcoins.

I still use http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/old_calculator.php to calculate probability

300MH/sec would have a 50% probability of finding a block after hashing continuously for 2221 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes (roughly 6 years) at current difficulty.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: True___Blue on June 22, 2013, 04:16:46 AM
Probabilities work out instead of getting .01 bitcoin all the time, you get 25 every once and a while.

How can you calculate the probabilities. I have 300 Mhash and I was thinking its not enough to solo mine on btc but probably enough to solo mine on some altcoins.

I still use http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/old_calculator.php to calculate probability

300MH/sec would have a 50% probability of finding a block after hashing continuously for 2221 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes (roughly 6 years) at current difficulty.
Sweet! See you suckas in 6 years! 


  ;D  but really thanks. its a helpful site


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Amph on June 22, 2013, 07:46:30 AM
Probabilities work out instead of getting .01 bitcoin all the time, you get 25 every once and a while.
once and a while= never  ;D
unless you have a very large farm(not of gpu)


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Perseus353 on June 25, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
But it's a serious question: what would -- at present difficulty level -- be a reasonable minimal level of hashing power, to make solo mining viable?


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: nottm28 on June 25, 2013, 11:21:45 PM
Probabilities work out instead of getting .01 bitcoin all the time, you get 25 every once and a while.
once and a while= never  ;D
unless you have a very large farm(not of gpu)

or good luck...


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: dakiller on June 26, 2013, 07:20:42 AM
But it's a serious question: what would -- at present difficulty level -- be a reasonable minimal level of hashing power, to make solo mining viable?
Comes down to how long are you willing to wait between finding blocks. I'd think that a block every 2 days would be what you want, that is 0.0035% of the network, at 197Th now, about 680Gh.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on June 26, 2013, 07:38:05 AM
It seems to me it would be better to do the private pool so the rigs don't work against eachother.

Is that how it works?
No. You can simply point all your rigs to your instance of bitcoin-qt and it will know to give different work units to each rig.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Perseus353 on June 26, 2013, 12:05:42 PM
But it's a serious question: what would -- at present difficulty level -- be a reasonable minimal level of hashing power, to make solo mining viable?
Comes down to how long are you willing to wait between finding blocks. I'd think that a block every 2 days would be what you want, that is 0.0035% of the network, at 197Th now, about 680Gh.

Interesting -- so if someone has two BFL minirigs it could be worth it.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Felipeo on June 26, 2013, 10:15:28 PM
I would go with a pool, more easy and simple.

+1


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: nottm28 on June 26, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
But it's a serious question: what would -- at present difficulty level -- be a reasonable minimal level of hashing power, to make solo mining viable?
Comes down to how long are you willing to wait between finding blocks. I'd think that a block every 2 days would be what you want, that is 0.0035% of the network, at 197Th now, about 680Gh.

Interesting -- so if someone has two BFL minirigs it could be worth it.

Yes, if you had 2 x 1.5TH/s = 3 TH/s you would currently be finding on average 1 or 2 blocks per day...


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Jaymax on June 27, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Simple math:

Block are found (averaged) every nine (http://thegenesisblock.com/at-this-rate-the-last-new-btc-will-be-issued-55-years-ahead-of-schedule/) minutes.  

There are ( [24 hours per day] x [60 mins per hour] ) / [9 mins per block] = [160 blocks per day].

Therefore: ( [Network hashrate] / [Your hashrate] ) / [160 blocks per day] = [Payout days per block]

So if you've got e.g. 2x 60 GH/s BFL boxes on order, and you figure the network will be running at ≲ 400 TH/s when you get them, solo mining should return (initially)

( [400000 GH/s] / [120 GH/s] ) / [160 blocks per day] ≅ [21 days per block] (average)

Which, to me, is better than having a percentage skimmed of the top, but your mileage may vary.  Obviously there's a real risk of serious bad luck meaning no payout for a year - but then pure chance could also result in scoring a block on say three consecutive days.


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: Moogle on June 28, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
Unless you got some serious hashing power dont even think about solo. 300 is unfortunately nothing anymore :-(


Title: Re: Solo each rig or pool
Post by: polarhei on July 01, 2013, 12:25:39 PM
Pool for this as the total rate is very horrible. Next years will be more and more