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Title: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: jayeeyee on June 23, 2013, 09:53:28 AM
Original Post: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post43041

 BFL_Josh
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I haven't updated in awhile because I thought the shipping was self explanatory, but people seem to be clamoring for an update, so here we are.

We have been working our way through the backlog of orders over the past month. Production is slowly ramping up and we are easily able to manufacture 200 units a day currently - there will be no problem hitting 400 units a day once things are in full production. Right now, we are stymied by the inflow of chips. However, the inflow rate of chips is increasing and we expect it to be quite high within the next week or two. It's been a long road to smoothing out these bottlenecks here and there.

Lots of Jalapeno's have been sent out the door, as well as some singles and minirigs. Production on the longoard lines are really going to start to ramp up next week and the following weeks.

We have been refining the firmware for both the short board but mostly for the longboard. One of the primary changes has been to switch from a one job per board method to a one job per chip method. This has fixed a lot of the latency issues we were experiencing with the early firmware and what held up production on some of the 60 GH/s units. We have not yet finished the XLINK portion of the firmware to be operating at 100% yet, so the first few minirigs that are going out the door are shipping as individual USB devices (8 per box) instead of 1 big USB device. Going forward, once the XLINK stuff is finalized, minirigs will be shipped out as XLINK equipped.

We will continue to refine the firmware as we go along. With the current firmware, we are seeing between 260w to 280w per 60 GH/s unit, or 4.3w - 4.6w per GH at the wall on 120v. Actual chip wattage is just under 3w per GH.

In other news, we have released all the documentation necessary for people to begin creating their own boards to house our chips and we have begun selling our chips in bulk. The first deliveries of our chips are expected in roughly 100 days from the time of order. We still expect the current back order backlog to be cleared by the middle of September or so, although given what we can likely achieve with our production rate, I suspect it may be sooner than that. No guarantees on that either way, though.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: whitefeather on June 23, 2013, 03:22:04 PM
Original Post: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post43041

 BFL_Josh
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...We still expect the current back order backlog to be cleared by the middle of September or so...

The implication of this statement is that by "middle of September or so" a customer could order a device on BFL's site, and the product presumably could be in said customer's hands in a few days, depending on shipping method. That's what I am reading here, if in fact the "current back order backlog" is cleared by then. Is this what Josh is saying?


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: dogie on June 23, 2013, 03:40:05 PM
No. He is saying he might be able to start shipping chip orders by then. Ie February.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: logicbomb666 on June 23, 2013, 03:47:12 PM
Original Post: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post43041

 BFL_Josh
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...We still expect the current back order backlog to be cleared by the middle of September or so...

The implication of this statement is that by "middle of September or so" a customer could order a device on BFL's site, and the product presumably could be in said customer's hands in a few days, depending on shipping method. That's what I am reading here, if in fact the "current back order backlog" is cleared by then. Is this what Josh is saying?

The way I read it, yes. 


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: polrpaul on June 23, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
That is assuming the backlog doesn't keep growing, right?  ;)


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: kendog77 on June 23, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
I don't believe for a second that their current backlog will be cleared in September. For a while, they were shipping a decent number of Jalapeno's, but even those have slowed down to a trickle in the last week or two so I cancelled all of my BFL orders.

It seems like they are having trouble keeping all the parts they need in stock to assemble and ship units.

I strongly suspect there will be much better options available from other companies by the time BFL clears their current backlog. 


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: k9quaint on June 23, 2013, 04:18:38 PM
I don't believe for a second that their current backlog will be cleared in September. For a while, they were shipping a decent number of Jalapeno's, but even those have slowed down to a trickle in the last week or two so I cancelled all of my BFL orders.

It seems like they are having trouble keeping all the parts they need in stock to assemble and ship units.

I strongly suspect there will be much better options available from other companies by the time BFL clears their current backlog. 

Just think. BFL could have had Foxconn or Quanta assemble these things and they all would have been done in a day.  :D
Oops.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: kendog77 on June 23, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
I don't believe for a second that their current backlog will be cleared in September. For a while, they were shipping a decent number of Jalapeno's, but even those have slowed down to a trickle in the last week or two so I cancelled all of my BFL orders.

It seems like they are having trouble keeping all the parts they need in stock to assemble and ship units.

I strongly suspect there will be much better options available from other companies by the time BFL clears their current backlog.  

Just think. BFL could have had Foxconn or Quanta assemble these things and they all would have been done in a day.  :D
Oops.

I agree. BFL does seem like a amateur manufacturing company that is learning as they go along. I seriously doubt they can sustain any sort of production output.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: titomane on June 23, 2013, 04:21:43 PM
I don't believe for a second that their current backlog will be cleared in September. For a while, they were shipping a decent number of Jalapeno's, but even those have slowed down to a trickle in the last week or two so I cancelled all of my BFL orders.

It seems like they are having trouble keeping all the parts they need in stock to assemble and ship units.

I strongly suspect there will be much better options available from other companies by the time BFL clears their current backlog. 

Why not visit someone to check that the mounting cedena works 100%?
Openday as other companies have done, would give a vote of confidence.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: ninjarobot on June 23, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
Tomorrow will mark the full 1-year wait point for me. Ordered 3 jalapenos (upgraded to 1 LS) on June 24th 2012 with 76 BTC. Sigh.

...Maybe in 2 weeks?





(Now please excuse me while I *punch a dolphin in the FACE!*)


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: Bitcoinorama on June 23, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
Umm...what kind of deal do they have with a chip foundry that is as flakey as they are at shipping?!?

How is it possible that a major chip manufacturer ships incomplete orders of small volume when they won't deal with you unless it's in the hundreds of thousands, or millions...!!

Not buying this I'm afraid.

Both BFL and Avalon seem to have magically kicked their own asses into gear, updating in the precise same week,  at the exact same time genuine competition has been proven to exist. That's no extraordinary coincidence. It's also weird Mini-Rigs suddenly debuted without any prior progressive updates, meaning they existed longer than you think they have.

This means one thing, they've both been sitting around doing something other than what's been claimed...


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: ultrix on June 24, 2013, 04:15:53 AM
Umm...what kind of deal do they have with a chip foundry that is as flakey as they are at shipping?!?

How is it possible that a major chip manufacturer ships incomplete orders of small volume when they won't deal with you unless it's in the hundreds of thousands, or millions...!!

Possibly low yield after inspection, ie: bad start.  Although it would seem unlikely as typically the contracts I've had/seen with foundries have a guaranteed delivery volume.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: klintay on June 24, 2013, 04:53:49 AM
what a bunch of idiots, they took millions in pre-order money over a year ago and they are still having supply problems 12 months on???
Are you bloody kidding me?


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: mezzomix on June 24, 2013, 05:51:12 AM
Tomorrow will mark the full 1-year wait point for me. Ordered 3 jalapenos (upgraded to 1 LS) on June 24th 2012 with 76 BTC. Sigh.

Bad for you. BFL started a few weeks ago to manufacture Jalapenos. Now the first Single and MiniRig prototypes are made. Nobody knows how long it will take until BFL starts to manufacture little singles.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: PuertoLibre on June 24, 2013, 07:09:20 AM
I don't believe for a second that their current backlog will be cleared in September. For a while, they were shipping a decent number of Jalapeno's, but even those have slowed down to a trickle in the last week or two so I cancelled all of my BFL orders.

It seems like they are having trouble keeping all the parts they need in stock to assemble and ship units.

I strongly suspect there will be much better options available from other companies by the time BFL clears their current backlog.  
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Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: ninjarobot on June 24, 2013, 07:29:32 AM
Tomorrow will mark the full 1-year wait point for me. Ordered 3 jalapenos (upgraded to 1 LS) on June 24th 2012 with 76 BTC. Sigh.

Bad for you. BFL started a few weeks ago to manufacture Jalapenos. Now the first Single and MiniRig prototypes are made. Nobody knows how long it will take until BFL starts to manufacture little singles.

No shit. Well, at least BFL will be shipping something (if they don't fold before they ship little singles). Sure beats Bitcoinica. Those bastards took 1993 BTC from me in May of last year and have not refunded customers yet, and perhaps never will. Now there is a real scandal.



Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: joeventura on June 24, 2013, 01:23:42 PM
When there is real news you will hear it.

Posting stuff like this is not doing anyone any good.

Bottom line is when BFL is shipping 400-600 units out the door a day they will be crowing about it.

Until then, just assume nothing has changed.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 24, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
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This has fixed a lot of the latency issues we were experiencing with the early firmware and what held up production on some of the 60 GH/s units.

Finally, some good news. The return of the 60 GH/s. Would somebody be so kind as to point out which one of the units depicted on this page is said unit?: https://products.butterflylabs.com/

Thought not. I contend that Josh has officially lost his fuckin' mind. How could the guy in charge of production not be aware that the 60 GH/s miner has been discontinued?

Maybe it was a typo.

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With the current firmware, we are seeing between 260w to 280w per 60 GH/s unit, or 4.3w - 4.6w per GH at the wall on 120v.

Twice!

Also, for only $43,000, one can get a 1000 GH/s, of which is only a $13,000 increase from the last time I saw the unit priced. Maybe that's to cover the FCC certification fees.

Or maybe it's to buy a tombstone for Sonny K.'s grave.

Or maybe it's to help cover the 1000 BTC guarantee that HE owes (not the BFL one).


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: Bitcoinorama on June 24, 2013, 11:48:19 PM
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This has fixed a lot of the latency issues we were experiencing with the early firmware and what held up production on some of the 60 GH/s units.

Finally, some good news. The return of the 60 GH/s. Would somebody be so kind as to point out which one of the units depicted on this page is said unit?: https://products.butterflylabs.com/

Thought not. I contend that Josh has officially lost his fuckin' mind. How could the guy in charge of production not be aware that the 60 GH/s miner has been discontinued?

Maybe it was a typo.

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With the current firmware, we are seeing between 260w to 280w per 60 GH/s unit, or 4.3w - 4.6w per GH at the wall on 120v.

Twice!

Also, for only $43,000, one can get a 1000 GH/s, of which is only a $13,000 increase from the last time I saw the unit priced. Maybe that's to cover the FCC certification fees.

Or maybe it's to buy a tombstone for Sonny K.'s grave.

Or maybe it's to help cover the 1000 BTC guarantee that HE owes (not the BFL one).

Unit used to be 1,500 Gh/s for $30k, not 1,000 Gh/s!


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: PaperClip on June 25, 2013, 12:26:45 AM
Thought not. I contend that Josh has officially lost his fuckin' mind. How could the guy in charge of production not be aware that the 60 GH/s miner has been discontinued?
Its sort of a bonus. You can order 50 GH/s unit, and after some time you should receive mail asking to pay additional 500USD for upgrade to 60 GH/s (this is optional).
I would like to know if those who ordered 60 GH/s units year ago must pay additional price too.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: Bitcoinorama on June 25, 2013, 12:30:02 AM
Thought not. I contend that Josh has officially lost his fuckin' mind. How could the guy in charge of production not be aware that the 60 GH/s miner has been discontinued?
Its sort of a bonus. You can order 50 GH/s unit, and after some time you should receive mail asking to pay additional 500USD for upgrade to 60 GH/s (this is optional).
I would like to know if those who ordered 60 GH/s units year ago must pay additional price too.

Of course not, they get what they paid for, same as mini-rigs and little SC.

Original Jalepeno orders had the option to upgrade as their original specs were upgradable.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: RoadStress on June 25, 2013, 12:48:10 AM

Or maybe it's to help cover the 1000 BTC guarantee that HE owes (not the BFL one).

Total Donated To Date: 291 BTC. They aren't rushing with the charity donation :)  I know you are reading this retard Inaba. Do you think that maybe in two weeks™ will you manage to pay all of the charity bet?


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on June 25, 2013, 02:22:54 AM
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This has fixed a lot of the latency issues we were experiencing with the early firmware and what held up production on some of the 60 GH/s units.

Finally, some good news. The return of the 60 GH/s. Would somebody be so kind as to point out which one of the units depicted on this page is said unit?: https://products.butterflylabs.com/

Thought not. I contend that Josh has officially lost his fuckin' mind. How could the guy in charge of production not be aware that the 60 GH/s miner has been discontinued?

Maybe it was a typo.

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With the current firmware, we are seeing between 260w to 280w per 60 GH/s unit, or 4.3w - 4.6w per GH at the wall on 120v.

Twice!

Also, for only $43,000, one can get a 1000 GH/s, of which is only a $13,000 increase from the last time I saw the unit priced. Maybe that's to cover the FCC certification fees.

Or maybe it's to buy a tombstone for Sonny K.'s grave.

Or maybe it's to help cover the 1000 BTC guarantee that HE owes (not the BFL one).

Unit used to be 1,500 Gh/s for $30k, not 1,000 Gh/s!

I stand corrected. Make that $65,500 for the same hashing power originally priced not too long ago for $30,000, a 115% increase.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: GigaWave on June 25, 2013, 02:48:45 AM
I would imagine the majority of their orders from at least the first ~7 months are the 60Gh models. So of course they are going to give specs for that models as most people are waiting for that model, As they will be shipping people what they paid for one way or another. At least that is their claim.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: mezzomix on June 25, 2013, 05:20:02 AM
Thought not. I contend that Josh has officially lost his fuckin' mind. How could the guy in charge of production not be aware that the 60 GH/s miner has been discontinued?
Its sort of a bonus. You can order 50 GH/s unit, and after some time you should receive mail asking to pay additional 500USD for upgrade to 60 GH/s (this is optional).
I would like to know if those who ordered 60 GH/s units year ago must pay additional price too.
Of course not, they get what they paid for...

No they (I) paid for a 40 Gh/s (IIRC) unit with no more than 1 W (+10%) per Gh/s, delivered late 2012.

At the moment most of them (including me) get nothing and watch others happily mining and drive the diff up at a speed that will make the BFL unit worthless, when (if) it is delivered in a few months.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: smoothie on June 25, 2013, 09:06:16 AM
I love how Josh says "oh now we finally are getting through the bottlenecks here and there blah blah blah."

After saying they knew they would ship in Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr....and still they dont have a fucking clue what they are doing.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: whisper on June 25, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
I dont believe they will fill all orders till september... The still dont reach start of july(2012) 60gh orders :D


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: smoothie on June 25, 2013, 10:27:01 AM
I dont believe they will fill all orders till september... The still dont reach start of july(2012) 60gh orders :D

I know yea? Who do they think they are fooling?

They havent gotten through the past 12 MONTHS of preorders including July 2012....which leaves August, Sep, Oct ... of 2012 and all of 2013.


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: peterepeat on June 25, 2013, 11:09:43 AM
I am still coming to terms with receiving multiple BFL hardware deliveries and hearing of refunds being taken up with Avalon.

Turning Tables


Title: Re: [UPDATE] Butterfly Labs - June 22 2013
Post by: mezzomix on June 25, 2013, 12:46:49 PM
I dont believe they will fill all orders till september... The still dont reach start of july(2012) 60gh orders :D

They didn't even reach the first week of orders of the 60 Gh/s miners and no Little Single. But maybe in two months. Or two weeks - there is no difference betwenn month and weeks when we talk about BFL.

BTW my order is now one year old, the hash rate is exploding and those ASICs need a lot more power than expected. 200 BTC lost - well done BFL.