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Title: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: layes07 on November 16, 2017, 12:35:47 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: bitcoinvestor on November 16, 2017, 12:39:28 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
of course , I earn living in cryptoworld. I trade, join bounty, and invest in ICO. the income is bigger than my salary from my offline job. And now , quit from nine to five job and live in crypto world. That's fun. I have much time to do what I want. I plan to make a project too.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Despacito on November 16, 2017, 12:41:25 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
of course , I earn living in cryptoworld. I trade, join bounty, and invest in ICO. the income is bigger than my salary from my offline job. And now , quit from nine to five job and live in crypto world. That's fun. I have much time to do what I want. I plan to make a project too.

I can't, because I tried trading and it's really hard to predict what's gonna happen in the market. After my trades, I lost some money and for now I gave up. I left it. Without mining, I can't make living in crypto honestly.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Kunlejoe0 on November 16, 2017, 12:47:18 PM
Yes indeed. You may not make regular income in crypto but you can actually generate and build serious wealth for yourself by investing trading and participating in crypto activities


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: suncokreten on November 16, 2017, 12:49:20 PM
It is possible, but in these times you have to devote yourself to it fully, it will actually become your real job.

You need to spend at least 8-10 hours a day researching projects, whitepapers, watching at screens and charts to see when is the right time to sell, follow all the news/forums/social medias to react fast..

If you invest your time in it, it is certainly possible, but due to extreme volatility, not recommendable (a combination between real job and crypto works for me).


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: bamboylee on November 16, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
If you have the right skills, you'll find working in crypto as lucrative as working in jobs in the office. The advantage is that you control your own time and mostly you do not have a boss to answer to. You can work at home and do not have to suffer heavy traffic.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Andrips on November 16, 2017, 01:08:56 PM
now decided to try to live only on the crypt I hope I will succeed otherwise it will crash))


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: gedtke on November 16, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
I also hope that I can live from cryptos the next Year, i am already on a good way. Earned already alot more than my normal salary but havent quit my job yet :D maybe I will do this step in the coming year haha but I wont do this before I got at least half a million... This will take time or will never happen, but everything else is to unsafe :D


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: overnightmillionaire on November 16, 2017, 01:24:47 PM
Theres many ways to make money from crypto, the best way is to do bounty campaigns.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: kambaralikhan on November 16, 2017, 01:28:26 PM
Yes it is possible to make living with crypto currencies. Invest in good and promising ICOs and you can make some living from the price appreciation of tokens and coins purchased from ICOs. Now questions comes in mind how to get to know which ICO is promising and worthy enough to invest ? It's best way is to read white paper of ICO. It will identify you how unique is the project idea. More innovative the project is, the more chance of it's becoming successful.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: pikatju on November 16, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
Definitely possible but you need a stack of money to begin with and lots of discipline. Figure out what kind of trades you are good at and start to get a decent return on investment. Then figure out how much money you need to live and you will know how much money you will need to begin with.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: sparg on November 16, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
You cand live from crypto but it is a very unpredictable life style. Unlike youre offline job were you now what youre income is and you can make plan accordint to that, in the crypto world you can loose most of youre money very fast. I dont think that everyone shoult put all his eggs in one bascket and take this crypto world as a secondary income. Unless you have some kind of backup i dont think its a good ideea try to live only from the income of crypto.
 


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: olushakes on November 16, 2017, 01:46:15 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
of course , I earn living in cryptoworld. I trade, join bounty, and invest in ICO. the income is bigger than my salary from my offline job. And now , quit from nine to five job and live in crypto world. That's fun. I have much time to do what I want. I plan to make a project too.

You are a testimony of a believer unlike several others of us because we are not sure of what the future holds for crypto. Making a living is sure but how long you willing to wait and the skills you have to offer goes a long way in determining whether that living will worth it or not. But on the average if you can equip yourself with the necessary skills, you are sure to have a decent earnings.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Buttercup123 on November 16, 2017, 01:48:08 PM
It depends on the person. One can make a living out of this crypto world, but must have good knowledge on trading and speculating price hike of coins. One must be able to predict the right opportunity to hold or sell away his/her earned tokens/coins. If a person is not good at trading and ended up loosing or getting low value of trades, then he/she cannot make a living out of crypto but all these can be learned through experience. So it is possible to make a living out of crypto by learning how to speculate price hikes, how to make a good trading and other stuffs to consider in trading too.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: gjtnwls1 on November 16, 2017, 01:55:07 PM
it depends on what country you live in. crypto may not be enough by itself if you live in a country with high living costs.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: okinawa on November 16, 2017, 01:57:27 PM
Yes I am sure it is possible to make a living in Crypto, if you have a lot of money and know a lot about trading, technical analysis and stuff.

Or if you live in a third world country, you can make money with bounty  ;D


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: ASHLIUSZ on November 16, 2017, 02:00:30 PM
Though everything happening with bitcoin seems uncertain, it's possible to have a living with bitcoin. For this the user needs to spend good time trading and on other sources available related to the same. Importantly the investment based earning with bitcoin provides good earning, but has got much risk associated with it.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: kumiskura on November 16, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
yes of course we can,
but we can not maximize the profit that we will get if we're doing a daily trading,
daily trade is not really a good choice to get profit,
because if we make a single mistake we may be can miss a huge train in the next future,
but the advantage that we will get if we're doing it is we can living with it.
it's very risky,
i do not recommend to do this because only an expert can gain a profit from doing daily trade.
but with it we can make a living in crypto


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: bear100 on November 16, 2017, 02:01:08 PM
Of course you can. Trading on exchanges, help projects with bounty by managing, translate for tokens and many more activities.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: macchiato on November 16, 2017, 02:01:23 PM
Yes you definitely can! A lot of people invests a lot in crypto coins because it absolutely gives good profit. Although it may take some time before you can actually earn, it gives you that easy money you want. Compared to real jobs, I feel like earning here is easier once you have made a good rank. But that does not mean that this solves unemployment. It can just really aid you when earning money. Some people doea this full time, I don't know about that but I don't find it convenient and promising. I just think earning here could be a sideline.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: InahC on November 16, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

No, you can't make a living out of crypto, but you can really earn from it. Crypto trading is designed more on investing, sometimes it takes a long-term before you can really earn from it. And it also has a lot of risks. If you really want to earn a living, try to find a stable job. And add a little portion of your income to crypto in order for you to earn more.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: kaeluxdeuz on November 16, 2017, 02:05:20 PM
Ofcourse you can make a living from crypto! People make investments in coins everyday, they hold long term investments like Bitcoin, Ethereum or Ripple, and others hold shorter term investments hoping for that short burst of profit.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: bribed on November 16, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
For me not yet, it would be really lovely though. But if you dont got enough trading skills, I think it is very hard to make a secure living with it. As it then becomes mainly speculation and if you are lucky and choose a winner, you may be able to live on the profit for quite some time. But this needs luck! Hopefully we all will one day live just of the revenue of crypto! The future looks bright for everyone that is here now. Ask the ones that were here in 2013 or even 2011 they can tell you. Just dont loose faith if there is a bearmarket, eventually it will pass.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: marks1976 on November 16, 2017, 02:35:23 PM
Ofcourse you can make a living from crypto! People make investments in coins everyday, they hold long term investments like Bitcoin, Ethereum or Ripple, and others hold shorter term investments hoping for that short burst of profit.

The market of the cyrpto really volatile that gives the more ooprtunity for us to make our live in the crypto. this seems to be very good place. a lot of people alreayd made their live through the crypto especially about the daily trade.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: LiveEdutvICO on November 16, 2017, 02:41:02 PM
Yes it is possible to make a living with crypto currencies. Like everything else in business and trading, cryptocurrency will make you money if you know the where, the when, and the how. How much you make depends on your skills in reading charts and understanding the market itself. There are some people who are actually living from just trading on the cryptocurrency market

There are several ways to earn money in the cryptocurrency industry. Here are a few:

- Day Trading
- Long Term Investing
- ICO Flipping
- Mining


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: DRAWDE_3691 on November 16, 2017, 02:43:45 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

Definitely, Crypto world will make a living. It has so much potential when you have the talent and money for trading plus investing, and talents on some task they are paying with btc like SEO works and being a manager for a certain campaign..


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: krdcwplgf on November 16, 2017, 02:51:02 PM
If you have the right skills, you'll find working in crypto as lucrative as working in jobs in the office. The advantage is that you control your own time and mostly you do not have a boss to answer to. You can work at home and do not have to suffer heavy traffic.
Encryption, must be mixed encryption is the direction of blockchain development.So I will invest in XZC, DASH and XMR, which are very advanced in the direction of mixed encryption, and of course, I have regular purchases of bitcoins and ETH.This is very important to me.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: SiDtHeBeSt on November 16, 2017, 02:54:33 PM
Making a living out of crypto? Well there is a chance maybe you can do that but its pretty hard. If you chose the correct coin to invest in and get profit through it you migt have a chance to make a living.If it would br something like bitcoins whose price increases alot in a short time then you'll get alot of profit which might be enough to make a living(if you had invested enough). But there is also a great chance that you may suffer from loss due to investing in the wrong coin, so its risky and not that dependable


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Ewox on November 16, 2017, 03:11:34 PM
Yes I think you can make a living in crypto, in fact you can join Bounty Campaigns in this forum although sometimes it takes around a couple of months for you to receive your reward but it is worth it. Once you get your pay then you can also do trading for the rest of the reward so it'll also profit aside from cashing your rewards out.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: equator on November 16, 2017, 03:16:52 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

Ya it is true that through this forum you can earn so much that you can make living from it. As their are so many options of earning like participating in signature campaign, joining ICO bounty programs, doing trading. So many options to earn without investing and risking your investment.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: rickyleatham on November 16, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
i think it is possible to make a living by cryptocurrency, nowaday, we are no longer need to work away from home anymore, investors use bitcoin to trade everyday can make enough or may be much more for living, we can earn so much money if we can work hard enough.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: arcds9 on November 16, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

of course mate . it is doable. no boss, no pressure, no specific time, no bindings... just use your skills and logics..then you get it


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: VeeTeaSee on November 16, 2017, 03:43:44 PM
sure you can make living from crypto, but you can make it when you get in a situation that you have a big enough amount to play with..


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: enendad on November 16, 2017, 03:45:55 PM
ho I think I was like that, although joining the forum soon, but really make some money, compared to the tense work is simply the Holy Grail, I think with countless tokens appear, there will be many, many opportunities Opportunity belongs to those with vision ;)


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Bitcoinnumberone on November 17, 2017, 03:44:27 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
If you want to earn for a living and if you do not have a job, you came to the right neighborhood. Doing this actually make money for a living but you should do it full time, it will be your primary source of income if you do not have a job. It can also be managed if you have a job, that is better but it will be hard as you will spend half of your day to your job and half in crypto. I have a friend that got his house through bitcoin, he is a trader by the way,the problem is I do not know how he make it but he earns a lot and according to him, it is easier than joining campaigns and earning through it.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: nhoj25 on November 17, 2017, 03:47:52 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

yes, some of my colleagues in my work quit their Jobs because they earn more money here


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: eaglewhite80 on November 17, 2017, 03:50:32 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

yes, some of my colleagues in my work quit their Jobs because they earn more money here

I really do not understand why people will ever want to quit their jobs when you can easily do something to earn cryptocurrency passively without stress and earn in two ways except for those who really want to go into full time trading anyway which still seems a bit realistic. There is a lot to earn around and the loveliest thing about it is that, if you are smart, you can earn a lot without stress.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: BioCryptTechnologies on November 17, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
You surely can earn quite a bit and make a living off of Crypto. Its really no different than those making a living off of wallstreet. Things are just more active as far as gains and losses and the risk / reward is much greater. I mean look how far in the last couple years bitcoin has come. Hell, over the last year how much it has increased. If you just bought 10k just 1 month ago, you have be up 50%. so you most certainly can. And if you are trading or tethering at the right times, you could be up far more than just 50%


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: xeva on November 17, 2017, 04:00:31 PM
Yes it is possible, although it does require a large capital to begin with. View crypto investments as a supplement to your primary source of income and make it your goal for crypto to become your primary source of income. Requires dedication and knowledge, and most importantly patience.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: skripsup on November 17, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

yes, some of my colleagues in my work quit their Jobs because they earn more money here

I really do not understand why people will ever want to quit their jobs when you can easily do something to earn cryptocurrency passively without stress and earn in two ways except for those who really want to go into full time trading anyway which still seems a bit realistic. There is a lot to earn around and the loveliest thing about it is that, if you are smart, you can earn a lot without stress.

I think in the same way. There is no need to give all your time to crypto and leave your sources of earning.
Planning! The planning plays a crucial role here. You can plan your day in such way, that you will have time for work plus for earnings on crypto (trading, bounty campaigns, and other things).
I know it will be hard at the first time to do both things, but the result will be surprising if you are trying hard.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: itf991 on November 17, 2017, 04:02:10 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
Certainly you can. It will take time,but more you get involved with cryptocurrencies and trading more you will learn. I could say most of us went through some hard times and learnt our lessons. More you participate in bounties and ICO-s better you will see how easy to get scammed. After all  you end up doing a lot better research to avoid those mistakes. Bounties are definitely a good way to start to build up your portfolio in Crypto-world.  To be kept calm when market goes wild is one of the keyes to gain profit over time. I wish you a good luck to make your living one day out of cryptos. ;)


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: BarkingHawk on November 17, 2017, 04:04:29 PM
If you have money to invest, sure.  If you're good at trading then yes.  The thing is someone has to lose in order for you to win and gain profit.  Trading is pretty much educated gambling and lots of people end up losing.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Oasisman on November 17, 2017, 04:23:57 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

yes, some of my colleagues in my work quit their Jobs because they earn more money here

I really do not understand why people will ever want to quit their jobs when you can easily do something to earn cryptocurrency passively without stress and earn in two ways except for those who really want to go into full time trading anyway which still seems a bit realistic. There is a lot to earn around and the loveliest thing about it is that, if you are smart, you can earn a lot without stress.

I think in the same way. There is no need to give all your time to crypto and leave your sources of earning.
Planning! The planning plays a crucial role here. You can plan your day in such way, that you will have time for work plus for earnings on crypto (trading, bounty campaigns, and other things).
I know it will be hard at the first time to do both things, but the result will be surprising if you are trying hard.
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

I also agree with this, our primary sources of income is our day jobs, it gives us stable payments and assurance. So why quit when we can spend partial time doing crypto activities like learning and earning? Infairness with these guys who quit their jobs. Maybe they find it interesting doing full time activities in this commununity, learning the depths of cryptocurrency, and at the same time it is more effective way for them of earning than their previous job, maybe their monthly income is doubled or tripled when they have all their time here (I know a friend in a case like this). If I am on their shoes I also had a plan before quitting my job. Build a business while Im still earning effectively.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Walecash on November 17, 2017, 04:44:04 PM
Yeah...  Of course.... But you have to give it a lot of time


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Similificator on November 17, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this


You sure can man. I know a lot of people who made crypto currencies as their main source of income. It is not impossible. It depends on the person - how resourceful he is, how hard working and honest he is with every job that falls into his hands that builds his reputation and opens more doors for him. These are the things that someone should have or strive to be when wanting to make a living here in the crypto world.

But it is still best to have a regular job together with doing crypto.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: redhondaxrm125 on November 23, 2017, 06:49:44 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this


You sure can mate.
Although i wouldn't want to rely on it much myself amd won't advice it to others either, I really do believe that something like this is possible and can really be pulled off. Specially by a person that is hard working and very resourceful. But still, it varies from person to person.
As how unpredictable the crypto world is, i think a stable job is still a great thing to have together with cryptos.
But that's just my opinion though.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: Raegorl on November 23, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
There are plenty of ways to make money in the current crypto market landscape. But i'd advise against living off of it, because it is still an extremely risky investment with no guarantees. Keep your full time job and slowly transition into crypto as your main source of income if you really want to, but be safe.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: CaptainKid on November 23, 2017, 08:22:49 PM
There are plenty of ways to make money in the current crypto market landscape. But i'd advise against living off of it, because it is still an extremely risky investment with no guarantees. Keep your full time job and slowly transition into crypto as your main source of income if you really want to, but be safe.

I, too, hold the opinion that this can be earned and even with the time to quit the main job. The forum has enough information and opportunities to make a profit !


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: hadisaw on November 23, 2017, 08:27:32 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

Yes, I can survive by playing crypto. It takes patience in playing crypto, someday you will find out.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: babygun on November 23, 2017, 08:34:06 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

It can be possible, but you need time to read and learn about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, ICOS . Use bitcoin related sites, bitcointalk forum, blogs, ... to do your research.
 


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: KaranRaut on November 23, 2017, 08:40:29 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

I think if you'd like to earn a living with trading cryptos or investing in it via ICO etc. first off you will need capital to begin with as we know money creates money... I don't think that one can get opportunities to earn bounties through out the year.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: 1020kingz on November 23, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Yes of course, many of us asking if we can gain profit out of this forum especially for beginners that havent earn money yet, making earnings here in the forum is depending how you deal with the work here in the forum there are lot of work that can give you salary, joinig boutny campaigns, Twitter and Facebook campaign ( multiple campaign as long as you can manage) trading, there lot of it just explore the forum there are weekly basis and month basis salary, but only choose those campaigns that are sure to give you earnings because some of these are scams, choose wisely.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
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Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: ilovefeetsmell on November 23, 2017, 09:32:18 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
I am living now with a crypto, before I sleep I want to check my bitcointalk account what's in the latest post, what's the update on crypto and what's new. After I sleep, the same thing again, checking out again what is new, what is my new token came from the airdrop and so on. I can't live without these things: Internet, phones, laptop and altcoins. I can make money with these.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: angaper on November 23, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this

Although I already have a ten-year track record in the online business world, it is not until now that I have had the opportunity to get to know and enter into the businesses related to cryptocurrencies that I have been able to obtain remarkable financial stability. I still need to make an extra effort to obtain total financial freedom, but without a doubt it is perfectly possible if you have the necessary conviction and dedication.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: mummybtc on November 23, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Yes, you can but it depends on your current occupation, there are some they are better of being a passive investors if you have a well paying job, but some people in developing countries with low monthly income you can decide to face Crypto full time  but require huge knowlegde acquisition


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: jigsaw97 on November 23, 2017, 10:05:29 PM
this domain is interresting so i want to ask can you make a livin from this
Certainly you can. It will take time,but more you get involved with cryptocurrencies and trading more you will learn. I could say most of us went through some hard times and learnt our lessons. More you participate in bounties and ICO-s better you will see how easy to get scammed. After all  you end up doing a lot better research to avoid those mistakes. Bounties are definitely a good way to start to build up your portfolio in Crypto-world.  To be kept calm when market goes wild is one of the keyes to gain profit over time. I wish you a good luck to make your living one day out of cryptos. ;)
i can say too that it was been yes that you can make a livin in a crypto but it may depends on you how dedicated you are to be make it happen and how does it can be manage wisely the chances are there all the opportunity but on how does you can be on it will be on you only on how good you are.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: LTCendmanagement on November 23, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
For now I'm still studying in the world of crypto, earning several hundred dollars in a month I can do. I just need to improve my way of working to get a lot of profit.


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: desmodiAN on November 23, 2017, 10:10:52 PM
you will not study crypto. you mean trading. its highly psychological. even in old trading realms (stocks, bonds, futures, etf). crypto is amazing but when the bull years stop its gonna massacare a lot of hodlers...


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: benjamin11 on November 23, 2017, 10:18:01 PM
Yes, I think you make a living in crypto. Actually, there are already people in this forum who are earning and living in cryptocurrency. Others even quit their actual job to spend fulltime in cryptoworld. If you're really diligent, you can earn a decent or even a lot of money in crypto. There are many ways  to earn and make a living in cryptocurrency. You can try investing, trading, joining ICOs, joining bounty campaigns, and even just holding your cryptos without  doing nothing, you can  still earn something. But of course, just like any other job, you need to exert effort, time, and diligence.  


Title: Re: can you make a livin in crypto
Post by: iffeanyii on November 23, 2017, 10:41:05 PM
you can and you cannot. if you are skilled or can manage. create a great project and ensure it comes to fruition, engage in bounties and dedicate our time and patience. but btw, crypto and your 9-5 job are not guaranteed