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As you know many ICOs still hold so many of the BTCs they got from us, while their coins/tokens are not trading..So I do believe they must up our investment!!!!

Simple logic! If I made an investment of 1btc at $4000 and now it’s $7500! And you still hold it! Why you are not upping my investment?

We all are watching MTcox situation! Nothing fair there!

One ICO is doing that! Why the rest are not doing same?


https://twitter.com/litracoin/status/931310354730070016

What did you read before investing wasn't not that they handed out the whitepaper? Most of the ICO's states the funds are meant for the development of the software. Clearly you are one of the whiners who keep on crying cos they don't read before gambling their money

In my experience nearly every ICO makes some mention somewhere that the price of bitcoin or ethereum or whatever currency is used is variable but the ratio of tokens to that currency is fixed. It is a skill of good investors to know when to invest in to ICOs in terms of the price of the currency they are using. I do not think you would be complaining if the price had fallen, or perhaps you would because then some people can invest one bitcoin worth only 4000 and receive the same tokens as you got.

Why? your share in the ico is the same whatever the value of the original coin you paid your share with  ???

If I am correct, most of the ICOs have a limit of how many tokens/coins are available for investors. I have seen some with fix price (1 ETH = 100 tokens), doesn't matter whether ethereum price is 280 or 330. Some ICOs have price based on USD value of BTC and ethereum on the day you make the transfer (they mainly look at coinmarketcap) and allocate proportional tokens/coins.

I fail to see if they have already allocated all the tokens available, how they are going to up your investment. Also how do we know that they haven't already converted the btc/eth to fiat currency the day ICO was over. May be you should've asked the question to the project you were investing in. If you want to protect your investment in ICO, you may want to check out Angel token. In my knowledge it is one of the first ICO that provides guaranteed investor protection.

Usually ICO's lock in the prices at the moment you send in your bitcoins.  The price of bitcoins is very volatile, what if it dips to $5000 when you sent it in while it was close to $8000?  Does that mean you know get less tokens from the ICO?  That would be unfair.  This is one of the risks you take while investing in ICO's. 

the only ICO that protects & increases your BTC investment, your 1 btc investment is dynamically moves until trading starts.
how can this project will do that ?
can you explain me the detail ?

You have spent your btc, nothing you can do about it, and nothing they should do about it I would say.

ico's must .... lol

i don't understand , so they will trade with investors money and then split the revenue or what ?!

When you buy into an ICO with bitcoin you have to know that the price can go both ways, and you`re only entitled to the number of coins agreed before the transfer. Its the same thing with dollar or any other currency, except bitcoin is more volatile (but the principle is the same)

Your ICO tokens/coins already go up or down based on bitcoin, you will see it when it hits exchanges

Just like normal fiat currencies, ICOs are not liable for changes in value (inflation). When buying or selling, the value of a currency at the time of trade is honored. Imagine selling a piece of land back in the early 1990s and then today asking the buyer to give you more money because the value of land already increased. Does that sound right to you?

I think it's back from their own decision again. We, as investors and bounty hunters can't complaining about this because no one predicted bitcoin would be increasing to $8000. They simply don't owe aything from us (they never promised before).

Anytime bounty hunters are complaining in Bitcoin. Because this is one of the marketing. But bitcoin is never fall in market. Some fluctuation is possible in every day. Today is it reach in 7998 us dollar. This is one of the huge value in Bitcoin. No one is expected in sudden  raise in Bitcoin. Many miners are increasing in Bitcoin. This is actual reason to raise in Bitcoin.

It doesnt matter if you paid on bitcoin, or in ethereum, if you have already received those coins, then you are done, why are you claiming something that you were going to receive on the past?
It is like if i say that i am going to ask the guy who i sold a ps3 on 2014 for one bitcoin (it was $250 each one by that time) and now that it is upto 8000 each one, ask him for 7500 for the increase of btc.
it just makes no sense, you already paid for it, there is no way to ask for more tokens because you dont even diserve them.

This makes absolutely no sense. You invested into their company for product development. If you don't believe in the product then you should have left your money in BTC.

This was so true on which you cant really change the agreement since the transaction have been done on that particular time which you would only recieve fixed and you dont have the rights to ask for if the bitcoin you have given have rise up for how many folds and its really no sense if you do try out to get such claim.In the situation on the link given particular on Litracoin this is just only a hype up so that investors would think off that they can still possibly able to earn more since their btc investment into their coin is growing or moving.If its legit then its nice but i doubt its just for the sake of advertisement.

Ha, I'm not sure the OP understands ratio's. ;)

Lol icos took your bitcoins?
And their coins have no attention?  That might be the fault of the media regime
Additionally this is also the forum admins fault because they didnt evolved their forum towards a contracted financial market

There is still no 100% certainty in the future. For investment, risks are preliminarily assessed. Trust in digital gold is trying in every possible way to undermine, for example. "Silk Road" Tarnish in the public eye is a fairly common political technology. Promising projects and advertising in the media - the key to success!

i think they wont do that becuase ico's have issued their token with their own set value and it may only increase if more people will invest on   it or the the more the demand and it does not related to the current value of bitcoin, no matter how high or low the bitcoins value it wont still affect the value of the token of the ico because they are totally different.

Hahaha.... sounds weird for me, but there will be the correction about the altcoin price against the bitcoin in the future. But what do you mean about increase out token? Did you mean on its value?
Do you wanna the developer try to recorrecting the ico price of token? it's ridiculous.

Rely on what make you sure that they will secure your investment? I've seen a lot of promising projects right after the launch of the ICO but after that they did not do what they said. My personal opinion, the promising project will be attached is their action. In investment, interest rates will be accompanied by risk and that is inevitable

I think you don't read the terms and conditions before investing into ICOs, there is no way they will increase the tokens or coins given to you, assuming the price went south are you going to pay more for the tokens

You see that would make sense if you say that on your website! Or white paper which most don’t read!
So unless you mentioned the up and downs! Then you must up it for your investors!

Just to validate my opinion! Check Tezo! Seriously! How that make sense?

I am just an investor!
I shared my opinion here! Because many “famous” ICOs holding the extra money! Can you tell me what that are planning to do with I it?

Again I am referring to coins/Tokens that are not on trade!

Why do you think that they will do this when they have clearly mentioned in the project that this much coin for this much BTC/ETH invested. So their is no point of asking them to double or raise the token quantity. It is the benefit of the ICO getting if the market is moving high. That is why i have been telling that dont invest in ICO and better to wait let the coin get listed in exchange and then buy if the coin have real worth to buy it.

A lot of ICO's convert a lot of funds to fiat because of its stability.  The other major portion of their funding comes from their own token supply.  If they choose to keep the funds in bitcoin or eth, the only way you could argue you should get more value, then they would be gambling just as you are.  We don't want that, right?

And if Bitcoin lose value, ICO token should decrease? If we buy ICO tokens, it is at the price of the current BTC or the price fixed at the ICO. How could they know the price of BTC after an ICO? It is like if you buy food at a store, but tomorrow, the price is cheaper. Do they have to pay back the money for yesterday buying?

Your investment amount is fixed when you send BTC. You should read the white paper before investing.

Why would do that? They probably collected money with bitcoin but their hardcap and soft cap was USD base right? So their aim was getting usd not bitcoin. And they use this usd to develop their project not to hold those bitcoins.

Go a head pass me couple of whitepaper mentioning that!

I understand and I agree.. If its mention then its a contract and you or me agreed on.

Believe me ..They will announce they no longer can process with their project that they did the ICO for.

My question is ...Where the extra money will go for?

Answer this... would you be saying the same thing if Bitcoin crashed to $1000?  Would you be advocating for a reduction of your ICO coins?

I did answer this, and my answer why you are talking about it when the situation is not even that?
The situation is BTC is going up!and not by 1-5% Its more, and these ICOs are cashing out extra money!

As you are saying what if BTC crashes to $1000..I will say this and remember it:
ALL THESE ICOS WILL ANNOUNCE THEY NO LONGER CAN DELIVER AND BANKRUPT THEM SELF!

When did Bitcoin get up to that price? The only price increase that I saw Bitcoin have was the one happening right now.

Agreeing! But is it? Seriously with all these high profiles turn to be fake with problems ICOs!!!

I would add a free time. Exchange rate risk is a one thing and the other is you have to put some time and effort to find, select, prepare, contribute and finally sell the ICO tokens.
Hold BTC strategy needs no activity despite your strong will ;)

This is the most problem in ICO's when their token be traded in other exchange they are not focus on the development of their project. Yes simply when Eth/BTC if rise and down their token is left behind. The best is do some research on which Ico really offers a good one.

Well said.

Hmmm, isn't this like investing in Euro company and then suddenly if Euro got twice than US dollar to request compensations? You are buying tokens form the ICOs and then you are owning only tokens. You are not paying in US dollars, you are paying in BTC/ETH

This is what's happening after the ICO's collected that much or they reached their soft or hard cap. They don't focus actually with the development but only for crowdfunding their so called project. They are letting their tokens forgotten after a success within their ICO period. And this leaves the benefit to bitcoin or ETH because it helped to make the demand higher of these two coins.

It is out of goodwill if the project decides to, it is not an entitlement. Are you willing to decrease your coins if BTC price go down?

It all depends on the initial agreement. If they give you their token later than agreed, you are right, you are missing the opportunity to sell them at a better price. But if there was no agreement on WHEN exactly they would send you the tokens, well, than bad for you who has invested nevertheless.

Agree. Need to read those Terms & Conditions.

Yes we need a good income,i am a bounty hunter and i dont earn a lot.My request to the ICOs and signature campaign is to be fair.

Bro it's a two way street.if the price of btc fell u wouldn't have complained.beside most ICOs used ether as mode of payment not btc.and the price was quoted in btc or ether not usd.just suck it up and instead pray that the projects perform well when listed in exchanges.though I sympathize with u at the lackluster ways that these project are showing when it comes to been listed in exchanges

ICO owe you nothing except rules described in whitepapers.
People are going crazy with this ICO madness.

ICOs are risky. Print this sentence and place in front of your monitor. You can win, you can lose, it's just a game.

You are correct with nothing expect rules on WP..Most don't say anything


Agreed.

if the sittuation got reverse, the price of bitcoin droping maybe for some reason, do you mind if you get less token ? and some ico maybe have fixed price for example 1 bitcoin equal to 100 token no matter how much the price of i btc is 1k or 10k usd you still get 100 token instead

That's a good answer  :D I cannot imagine a queue of people lining up to ask for their bounties to be dimished because the Bitcoin has tanked :)))
WHich organ some people use for thinking is still a mystery for me.

Having it fixed price will certainly get trouble for all investors. Because in that certain scenario, all investors have no chances that they can receive more tokens when btc price will pump. Instead, of what is in the written agreement that is also be the amount of tokens receivable.

I can't believe this thread has 3 pages already. Clearly the OP didn't read before he invested. If you want free coins you should join DeepOnion

I would love to learn about DeepOnion if you're ready to share, could you ?

If Bitcoin dumped to $200, would you have given 90% of your tokens back to be fair? No, you wouldn't.

Increase your token? As far as I know, the quantity of token you bought will still be the same at he end unless you keep topping it up. If you are referring to the value of the token and how an ICO spends your investment, you must have read their whitepaper first and their plans regarding your investment and where they put it. If you are to buy and ICO, you must've learned about its background and every inch of it.

Exactly this.
That's the only way to put it, would you cry if it was the other way around.

I really can't stand that entitled kind of attitude. Leeching parasites everywhere.

Yeah exactly, I don't see why should anyone do that. For example if you a 'good' with bitcoin when it was $1000, now are you going to ask that merchant to give you 8 more 'goods' because BTC's price has increase 8 times. This is completely illogical argument by OP IMO.

I sold some Bitcoin for $1000, maybe I can get an extra $7000 per coin now? And then another extra $10k next year? :D

I'm stunned as some people can have such a childish way to apply logic in any way possible to fit their conveniences. That's beyond my understanding.  :D

The world would be a lot less fun without such clowns though, so I don't mind them too much. Only a very special person would play along with their whims. ;)

This is not a childish way of apply logic! This was a wonder! What will the extra money and increase of value divert for?
These scammers at Tezos, Bancor managed to get over $15 M in differeance, could anyone of you tell me where that money will go?

Companies divert that money as assets or bonus! What about ICOs?

We are talking about less because that’s not the case! And I wrote that before, these ICOs will simply say sorry we are bankrupt!

I don't think that they should. It still depends somehow.

I'm pretty sure if they just started claiming bankruptcy out of the blue they would find themselves not finding themselves ever again very quickly.

But anyways, again. If Bitcoin went down to $800 instead of up to $8000, would you be here complaining? No, you wouldn't. If the Bitcoin bullrun upset you revise your strategy next time.

We will earn thinking in this way the end of the money does not come, we are always lost :D
Hold your all tokens! :D