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So it appears bitcoin has won against its strongest nemesis as of yet, and quite convincingly too. Bitcoin Cash going back towards under $1000 whereas bitcoin reaching new heights surpassing 8K.
What do you think this means? And what actually triggered it?

Despite the fact that the original bitcoin again recovered in its former high cost, and bitcoin cash dropped to less than $ 1000, I think that the main battle between them is yet to come. Bitcoin has not yet solved his problem with low transaction bandwidth. While bitcoin cash does not have such a problem. The original bitcoin still enjoys its popularity and holds for as long as inertia. However, if his problems are not resolved, it will end badly for him.

Imho it was not the battle but the attack so Bitcoin survived it and proved its resilience. To make a real battle BCH should have at least some real value. The thing that happened was more likely a scam attempt. Hopefully not many people bought BCH when it was over 1.5$k
By the way the story is still far from the end and BCH is still 998$ for now so it makes me think that we can expect some more attacks later.

Watch bitcoin cash going back to below $500 and bitcoin to over $10k, both miners and investors have jumped back from bitcoin cash to bitcoin now and there is nothing that can stop bitcoin from reaching most waited $10k milestone.

Yes,it seems that bitcoin has almost won the battle against BCH.But it seems that Roger ver and his team are still struggling to avoid the humiliating defeat against bitcoin.That's why,they are still pumping it to stand at the price of $1,000.But at the same time,bitcoin price has much progressed and reached $7,908.But still,the final knock out has not been given to BCH and we would have to wait for some more time to taste the victory.

OP, it was a pump and dump to make us think that Bitcoin will fail without the hard fork to Segwit2x/btc1. The big blockers are always around to spread their propaganda, manipulate the market and flood the mempool.

Do not let them take advantage of you.

Yes, this victory is quite expected though. I mean we've been there before a lot of times before — XT, classic, Unlimited. All of them backed by the same person. Is it surprising that we won once again this time? Not at all. Bitcoin will forever be Bitcoin.

What triggered it? Nothing I guess. Segwit2X isn't even an equal contender for BTC. Even something like Ethereum couldn't keep up with Bitcoin. To be honest, Ethereum is great technology. It has a lot of potentials, besides all the ICO that is currently happening. Now, what Segwit2X actually had besides bigger blocksize + segwit? There are a lot of altcoin with much bigger blocksize already. What we need isn't a fork, but a solution. Perhaps LN or something else could fix this.

I guess now we are ready and good to go beyond $10K, perhaps?

Thursday, Bitcoin Cash (BCH) price has dipped below the important psychological level of $1,000 - the value of one coin has fallen as low as $993. This follows a hectic weekend, during which the cryptocurrency has experienced a meteoric rise to its all-time high of $2,477, coupled with Bitcoin (BTC) temporarily dipping below $6,000.

Bitcoin has definitely won. Bitcoin is still as strong as ever while cash has gone all the way down. Further than the dip, the actual problem is that people don't trust cash anymore, so that's what will ultimately be the end of cash.

Bcash will keep trying but BTC has probably won the battle for now. The whole problem was down to scaling. Bcash wanted bigger blocks, BTC said it was not scaleable long term.

I saw a great analogy:

Thin of a clogged up highway and approaches.

BCash = Lets make the road wider and bigger
Pros - more transactions
Con - you will need bigger machinery, it will grow to unmanageable blocks
You just can't keep increasing size infinitely.

BTC = Off chain transactions
Pros - Transactions are done on the side, kinda like getting people to ride bikes, motorcycles, underground train
Con - Slow to implement

Scaling smarter is best instead of the short term win of larger blocks.

Yes it won, it is reflected both in the price and in the transaction fee which is back to more acceptable levels

for now it is won but bitcoin need to solve block size problem

BitCoin Cash is just a rubbish! Whales pumped it and usual people bought it of course, then whales sold bcash and fixed their income. Game is over. Roger Ver won.

Sorry to burst your bubble,

Core shills can claim victory all they want , but the Fact is :  

The War is Not Over until one of the chains is Completely Dead!  ;)

So the Battle Continues ................

People trust more in Bitcoin than in Bitcoin Cash but Bitcoin Cash has the higher block size, thus the fewer fees and faster transactions. If the Bitcoin Cash team continues to develop new features and Bitcoin stays as it is, more and more people will switch to Bitcoin Cash over time. It's a matter of trust.

Nope. The battle is still on going and it will never stop until BCH's price touch below $1, this is not going to stop easily, "one must die and one must survive" is the type of battle between BTC and BCH. From the people backing up BCH for a million of dollars, letting the battle stop and just surrender is not an option.

There's no need to make bch die, bch can be like in other alts it can be considered as crypto and yet can still have value, we should just know that btc now is incomparable among alts or crypto since it already proves itself

this was not the battle in my opinion! the battle was back in August 1st when bitcoin cash failed to gain any kind of support from anyone and a small group of people including some miners went through with this useless fork disregarding consensus and everything else!

what happened in the past week, was just a simple pump and dump attempt to make some money. nobody including the miners have no faith in bitcoin cash but they keep pump and dumping it to make profit from its lower difficulty to make a lot of money in short time.

That will not happen at all. You see there are people specially FUD spreaders and FUD acceptors who think BCH is the real bitcoin and thus will pump it as and when they desire. They are doing this for their own profit and not for the community. In all probability BCH is just an altcoin which has no future and a fake dev team who have made false claims before and thus are not credible for their work.


I guess as long as BCH remains a profitable coin the traders dont actually care for it. For them all that matters is the profit that they can make of the coin.
Also why do you compare BTC to Alts? BTC is the first of all crypto and any coin after that is an Alt to bitcoin.

Haha  the whales always won, they know when to start and when to stop. We as small players better do not be reckless, still pay attention to all the news but do not be affected by it.

It only means that does attacking bitcoin will never make any different but face defeat and failure. I don’t think this is a battle between David and golliath, because bitcoin never been doing a move to destroyed bitcoin cash because it was already been since it was made. And I’m sure that a shitcoin(bitcoin cash) doesn’t deserve to be called a worthy opponent to the pedestal that bitcoin has been all the time.


The bitcoin supporters is just playing bitcoin cash for self-interest and that after being in that situation seems they understand that the only thing they can do is surrender.

There was no doubt in my mind Bitcoin would win the “war” against Bitcoin Cash as the superior chain. And you could really tell by some of tactics used by BCash they were getting desperate to try and take over - but it just couldn’t work for them.

990 is still high. I will consider victory when it goes below 200.

Did anyone ever have any doubt about this??

BCH is a pump and dump coin. It pumped, and it is dumping. There was no battle, just people using BCH to make more BTC.

Yeah, it was already premediated since the hard fork took place. Bitcoin Cash's only propaganda is to create a direct competitive medium for pumps and dumps for big whales in the market like Roger Ver.
The recent pump and dump scenario is the prime example of one such event. There will be many more of such events to come in the upcoming days, whenever a certain issue crops up in the Bitcoin network. What we all need to understand is the fact that nothing will surpass the good old Bitcoin.

From my humble point of view, the last weekend saw a "flip attack" on Bitcoin. A classic "coupe d'etat" (you always start them on the weekend when the government is out drinking...): convince enough people Bcash is the real Bitcoin and Bitcoin is a "legacy coin" and you have won.

The whales behind the Bcash pump probably did not have enough Bitcoins to dump Bitcoin and pump Bcash, and it seems the Korean exchanges where the prices were pumped shut down on Sunday in a critical phase of the attack (overload? DDos?). Seems Bitcoins were then moved to Bitfinex to continue the pump and dump there, but the faith in Bcash faded as it became clear who the people behind the pump are.

Background: Bitcoin and Bcash compete for hash computation resources from the miners. So if you pull away the miners from mining Bitcoin by paying them to do so and get them to mine Bcash, Bitcoin will stop working (transaction backlog and fees explode, transactions can fall to zero per hour, blockchain freezes), causing a panic: more and more speculators will sell Bitcoins and buy BCash, so the pump feeds itself.

This is a real issue in the long run: the higher the price of Bitcoin, the bigger the incentive to start a flip attack.

Right now the miners generate around USD 15 million per day in revenues from mining, plus some transaction fees on top.

Give them e.g. USD 40M per day and Bitcoin freezes and you can push your own forked chain as the real Bitcoin...

Bitcoin has a more powerful and stable base. Slightly fell in price but grew back and continues on its way to the top.

I don't really think it's a battle between two cryptocurrencies because obviously it was an open attack by those people who banded together to satisfy their greed. And I believe that it is just one of the many attacks that btc will be facing in the future. We can consider what happened as just a demonstration or practice. And now that they have proven it effective maybe they're planning for the next one as we speak. But I'm glad that btc is still prevailing and is bound to new heights. If there will really another attack then we'll just cross the bridge when we get there. Let's just make the most oit of btc for now.

It was not battle, it just like elephant and small dog. All btc copies was a shit and all new will be just shitcoins too. May be only one king

In my own speculation, bitcoin is the strongest altcoin for nowadays. No one can beat the there currency price. Its a huge price to exchange on market.

The battle is a very long one, it has not even been a year. Even if a year had passes, it would still be too soon to say which faction won. I say buckle up, don't get burned and enjoy the ride. Its been a very interesting couple of months. Long term, I do see bitcoin cash putting up a good fight. If bitcoin doesn't fix its problems, this will be their downfall.

I've been holding both ... my original BTC, and the equal BCH I got in august. 

BTC is near records highs, and BCH is double what it was a week or so ago ...

Kinda feels like the HODLers are the winners.

What does this even mean? "In your own speculation"? Bitcoin is an Altcoin? If Bitcoin is an Alternative coin, what is the main coin?  
No one can beat the there currency price? You mean nothing has a higher value? Correct, BCH has the 2nd highest value per coin, then DASH.

The Bitcoin cash pump was well timed. Transactions were very very expensive on the BTC chain at the time and the Segwit2x fork had been recently delayed. Whales could dump Bitcoin and buy Bitcoin cash, panicking the market!  A short term pump doesn't decide anything long term, Bitcoin won as soon as it kept the nam Bitcoin.  Bitcoin cash just won some of its holders a lot of money!

BCH got pumped and dumped. It is clear that its rise was a consequence of this. It never really stood a chance.

It just mean that Bitcoin is still the top contender and is very stable to take the top spot of the digital currency. I think Bitcoin Cash is really a great challenger but bitcoin will surely beat it. Bitcoin has so much supporters and investors, bitcoin cash really has no chance to bitcoins user base so I think it will be still impossible for it to beat BTC for now.

I don't think it's necessarily over yet. The large fees and slow transaction times are going to slowly but surely chip away at Bitcoin IMO.

Don’t compare bitcoin with other crypto currencies, bitcoin is way much better and stable currency than other digital currencies. Bitcoin cash has potential to grow but BCC never compete with bitcoin. Bitcoin will break all previous record in 2018.

Dont compare bitcoin to bitcoin cash because they are similar they are both benefits with each other because if bitcoin goes down some we expect that bitcoincash will going increase and some people will buy again bitcoin and if the value of bitcoin will increase and the value of bitcoincash decrease people will buy again bitcoin cash so this is a good idea ican say that after 5 years this all crypto is our future money.

This is known from the very start, bitcoin cash can never compete with bitcoin. But I doubt it will be over, there will still be attempts from bitcoin cash to overthrow bitcoin or lure bitcoin miners to mine bitcoin cash instead. If ever that happens again, I hope newbies will not fall to their trap again. I hope they learned their lessons this time.

I don't think they there is even any battle in between the two we the battle is as a creation of our own imaginations that the fall in the price of bitcoin is wait led to the increase in the price of BCH which is not the case. Just as when there was a crash and we credited Jamie for it. If any alt could even have any potential of being in battle against bitcoin, it could be the canceled Seqwit2x because that the price it was trading, I imagine what it would have done if not cancelled.

Bitcoin finished Bitcoin Cash Mortal Kombat style

He won this battle from the beginning, the changes in the bitcoin code, the first cryptocurrency, must have full support for the community and provided as softforks, rather than hardforks

Personally, I really hoping BCH go to 1 sat and comes to end because BCH makes bitcoin flawed so It allows the miners to flip-flop between coins at any time, so it's the miners that set the pump and dumps. But currently, BCH not yet comes to end, I'm expecting more pump and dump in the future.

Apparently it did. I have not doubt a bit that bitcoin will recover and will continue to be famous as the current and future coin ever made. Aside from its the first coin used, it keeps telling us that no matter how many coins are improved, the original asset will win.
I think that newbies and new investors are just worried that is why they panic sell. I still consider bcash being used as a scam to trick others for their own benefits.
I see no competion, I see insecurities.

Yeah the bitcoin is now having the huge status and the bitcoin is the best price at this time, the bitcoin is the best currency and no one can beat the bitcoin circle because the bitcoin is having the huge surface and the high value of the time I am increasing the use the more bitcoin will get in the short time investment and the high profit is going to happen in the bitcoin I hope the future of the bitcoin is now bright.

Battle? It wasn't a battle, it was hysteria from some newbies when some whales pumped that altcoin

Bitcoin cash is just a pump and dump altcoin, the only thing you can do with bitcoin cash is make a quick buck, hit and run

It can never compete with bitcoin

I'd like to think this means Bitcoin has "won" but that was just one battle. It looks like Bitmain still isn't selling any of their mined BCH, so I think we can assume that this war will continue. If Roger Ver and Jihan Wu intended for it to collapse after one frenzied evening of pumping, they wouldn't leave Bitmain holding the bag. These guys aren't stupid..... I think they're plotting their next move.

Their master plan depends on low supply on exchanges. Even though there are 16.8 million BCH in circulation, probably only ~1-2% of that (if that) actually trades on the exchanges. This makes it much easier for them to prop the price up than people think, especially when they are leveraging no-fee exchanges to give the appearance of high volume trading.

If the selling pressure hasn't dried up yet with that dip to the $800s, I'm guessing that the Bcash supporters will make a stand in the $600s. Then we'll probably see another pump attempt. I'm a contrarian trader, so when bitcoiners are celebrating the death of Bcash, I'll probably be buying it for a short term trade.

Some might use the expression that 'bitcoin has won the battle but not the war' - this will last for a long time to come as long as, as you mentioned, bitcoin does not resolve its issues. The longer these go on then the more strength bitcoin cash will gain, as will some other alt coins. Bitcoin however still remains so bullish that it can almost sweep aside these problems (in terms of price growth) and continue onwards. For now we wait patiently and watch to see how things unfold but I do not feel that we have seen the last of this.

Didn't someone in one of these BTC vs BCH  battle/war threads figure out that Ver (or maybe another whale) had moved a massive quantity of coins to one of the Korean exchanges?
I'd be curious to know the status of that.

Bitcoin s now back in track from tge recent dip that it had experienced. I think btc will continue to reach high peaks and can reach $8000 before the year ends. Wth bitcoin cash i don't keep it can keep up with the current price pump of btc, I wonder what Roger Ver next action with this altcoin.

I can't believe anyone thinks this is a battle other than BCH diehards. How is it a battle when it is Bitcoin versus some altcoin that is barely used on-chain and is just used as a pump and dump coin on exchanges? That's not a battle. No matter how much BCH loonies say it's the real Bitcoin, it isn't, its just a random altcoin using the "Bitcoin" name to gain attention. If it didn't have "Bitcoin" in the name no one would care about it. BCH is not a coin to be taken seriously. The idea that it is in some battle with bitcoin is a complete joke.

Let's not forget that probably most BCH is tied up in Coinbase and users can't get access to it until January 1st. What do you think is gonna happen then? I know what I'm doing and what I'm sure a lot of people will be doing, selling BCH for more BTC. No point keeping a coin that has no future when I could just get more Bitcoin for it.

The smartest thing the BCH folks did was name their coin similarly to BITCOIN. And that’s where the similarities end. Pump n dump vs billions and billions in market cap. It’s cute.

I think there's too much investment in bitcoin for it to ever fail. The big holders who have been around forever wouldn't allow it to happen.

That plus its foundation will keep it #1.

I don't think that there was any battle between bitcoin vs bitcoin casg.Battle only happened two same ability's team but we all know that Bitcoin is the boss of all crypto currency.So bitcoin can easily beat anyone in this path

I think that bitcoin won the battle.  ;) Bitcoin is bitcoin no coin can challenge it so far. Bitcoin cash is just 1000-1300$ and bitcoin is 7000$. So there is no battle between btc and bch. It's only a pump and dump. We should enjoy it by ourselves. 

Thing is though, everyone knows for sure it's a Roger Ver pump now. Everytime he tries it people know it won't stick so fewer people buy in. The propaganda battle was lost when people saw right through it and each attack also costs a shitload of money. Which means every attack gets weaker.

There's also been some encouraging news tweeted out by Charlie Lee concerning the lightning network, meaning they don't have much time.

As someone noted above, some exchanges will soon release their BCH, leading to a huge dump and at least one isn't giving customers the option, they'll dump it for them.

The real battle for Bitcoin is not actually with BitCoinCash but with itself...or to say it better within the Bitcoin community itself. It has been too long but people who are given the power to decide on what to do with the scaling problem have not come up with a lasting solution. Many are saying that this is actually beyond technical but more of a political in nature as they could not unite themselves and in fact this the reason why there is a hard fork unlike what we have seen in the latest Ethereum upgrade which did not produce another altcoin in the process. BitCoinCash just came into the battle scene when the people behind it saw an opportunity to push Bitcoin after the cancellation of the SegWit2x. Had there been a good and acceptable solution, Bitcoin could have been flying into the moon and beyond the stars right now. We are all hoping that self-vested interests would not anymore be the primordial force in Bitcoin.

even worse road ahead for BitCHcash

there was no way it would have and can prevail over Bitcoin without manipulation, blatant at that and underhanded tactics, could argue are one and the same.

as its a wart on Bitcoins arse, going into 2018 will be even more interesting.

any outsider will see the original, Bitcoin, but then the ones jumping on the bandwagon will be, and are very cynical when they start to see:

Bitcoin Cash,
Bitcoin Gold,
Bitcoin Silver,
Bitcoin Diamond,
Bitcoin Super,

etc etc etc, copy paste copy paste copy paste....where does it end???

very clear they intend to gain momentum and more importantly profit from the "Bitcoin" name.

when you paint a turd gold, its not gold, its still a turd underneath.

Well today BTC is going down and BCH up, so why say anyone has won anything? The whole market fluctuates so much. Who is the real winner and loser?

For this recent battle, yes bitcoin won over btc cash. It can't defeat the bitcoin as this moment. And for sure many attemps will still come trying to overtake the bitcoin but i think they will not succeed.

so means bitcoin enthusiasts more than enthusiasts bitcoin cash. and bitcoin is more worthy of investment assets than others

Bitcoin is temporarily ahead of BCH. But BCH will pump above 0.2 BTC again, maybe BCH will surpass BTC in a few years.

If bitcoin nothing to do, then BCH can surpass because cash has little more advance: 2mb block size. Its good for transactions.
But what you think, in the future 2mb blocks enough or needed to increase to 4mb then 8.... ?

I think, some speculators play the role as if there was a war between bitcoin bitcoin cash. this week is hard for us, btc users and bch  users. they have enough finances to make a mess while hardfork problems are not yet clear

As many has predicted that bitcoin's market value will plummet as soon as segwit2x will be launch but unfortunately, it was cancelled prompting some investors to invest their money on BCH instead. But that doesn't prove enough for BCH to take down BTC as BTC's market value started to skyrocket once again and breaking its own highest value ever acquired.

This show that no one can beat bitcoin. Beacause bitcoin is so popular and there are so many people investing to bitcoin. This is the  time of bitcoin so no other crypto can surpass it.

It seems BCH is still seen trying to beat Bitcoin, and I think BCH looks still strong to keep moving more green. Some parties still seem to insist on spurring BCH to be higher on the price. But at all I don't think it will shifted Bitcoin later, it will never be hapenned I guess.

Bitcoin is always greater than a Bitcoin cash.Bitcoin is in under construction process.It take some more time to shine like star .But bitcoin is like moon .Bitcoin is always greater than bitcoin Cash.

If some other will beat bitcoint from first place it will be a begining of the end of all crypto. IMHO. So better they just trying but not win never

There is no battle, there is manipulation, Bitcoin is getting stronger, despite attempts to take it Down.

Well as far I am concerned Bitcoin Cash is just a copy cat of the original Bitcoin. The original is never going to lose its originality and hence even if more such copy cat clones appear with every upcoming fork, bitcoin will remain bitcoin.

There is no issue of any war here. All I see is another shitcoin being promoted by some shills who simply want to dump and not even develop their own community around the new coin. I believe the growth BCH was possible in a better manner if such shillposting in their ANN would be stopped.

Alas that is the case that happens with every other altcoin today.