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Title: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Bhadz0118 on November 22, 2017, 11:40:08 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: mk4 on November 23, 2017, 01:06:04 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if I were to be a sort of "trading expert", I definitely wouldn't expose my strategies to the public. Why not make your own? Just follow basic tips of trading like: have patience, don't panic sell/buy, those stuff; and just create your own strategy. Best of luck.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: GamesBooster on November 23, 2017, 01:43:02 AM
Often, some business people often divide their capital into parts for investment. Some will keep bitcoin, some will invest in altcoin and the rest will invest in the ICO project. Divide the capital into several parts to minimize risk.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: chris200x9 on November 23, 2017, 02:03:25 AM
For a new trader, I suggest instead of going to make quick profits from day trading start investing in few top coins and monitor how markets fluctuate every day and learn things slowly. People can share only general guidelines for trading but don't expect any fully working methods. Good luck to you in making money from cryptocurrencies and remember don't invest all your money one time instead buy in small quantities.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: alexpayne on November 23, 2017, 02:07:55 AM
Most of them are waiting for the right signal to make a buy order or sell order. But the patience is presented in all of them. Calm your greed and angry down will turn you into a money making machine.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Allisgrace on November 23, 2017, 02:16:46 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if I were to be a sort of "trading expert", I definitely wouldn't expose my strategies to the public. Why not make your own? Just follow basic tips of trading like: have patience, don't panic sell/buy, those stuff; and just create your own strategy. Best of luck.
Yes, sometimes there are tgings that no need to tell to everybody especially when your trading earnings will be affected. We have our own strategies, you have yours.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Malamok101 on November 23, 2017, 02:30:19 AM
Just make the buy it low the sell it high because that's the way you earn because most of the time that investors in a coin have not risen and the price is still down and you really need to be careful trading because trading is risky as gambling and you are hired to watch the trading you enter because it has a chance of falling short of price, if you would like to be able to get more tricks when you click on youtube how to do it.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: entrepmind23 on November 23, 2017, 02:46:04 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

I am no means an expert but just to share a few of what I learned in trading is that you cannot predict where the price will go because all of us are just speculating what is the possible outcome. All traders have different strategies depending on what's comfortable for them and you have to know if you would like to be a day trader, short term or long term trader or swing trader. As what others said, trading cryptocurrency is different from trading stocks or forex but it is still the same people who are trading. People are the market and you would think what the majority of the market will do in this situation and in cryptocurrency they are the whales who have deep pockets controlling the price so if possible that you can figure out the moves of the whale then you can profit from trading crypto. You can learn only when you experience trading yourself so the best way would be to try it and figure out your own strategy. Do not let your emotions to the trading for you.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: millgates on November 23, 2017, 03:59:35 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
I am not an expert in trading but I will just share my experience. ICO is an important phase of the coin, it is the time when the price is determined for the first time but its not the lower price. The pump moment would be happen we can use it to gain profit, so it is important to buy new altcoin in ICO. Pump may not occur just once so don't forget to buy the coin when the price fall.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Btc_1856 on November 23, 2017, 04:10:59 AM
Most of them are waiting for the right signal to make a buy order or sell order. But the patience is presented in all of them. Calm your greed and angry down will turn you into a money making machine.

Most of the people always look for short term profits and failed to make decent income because some people don't have any patience and they need very quick money through trading. So these people won't make much profit when compared to people who are holding long term.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Alns on November 23, 2017, 04:11:16 AM
Hahah and you are expecting to have those ideas in here for free? there is no way that a real trader is going to expose their stragies in here.
Not even all those forex traders who are making a real living with their profits are sharing their stories or their strategies, because there is no way that they can give it to the whole world.
If you really want to be succesfull, then dont tell all your stories or strategies, because probably those traders worked so hard in order to understand, or discover their methods.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: ipanks on November 23, 2017, 04:23:14 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

i think i am not an expert, i only buy when the price is down and wait for a moment to see the price is start increase so i can place an order sell and finally i can make profit. i think you can learn by yourself about the strategies so you will create a good strategy that will work for you. you need to learn from the basic of trading and then you need to modified the strategy before you can use. you need to test it over and over of your strategy so you know if its work properly or not with your trading.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Bhadz0118 on November 23, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
Thank you for those who share some of their knowledge. 😊


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Stoukie on November 23, 2017, 11:08:48 AM
I'm NO expert but most graphs look like a heartbeat, valleys followed by mountains followed by valley etc. Repetition is the key here, patterns. The trick is to buy at the bottom of the valley and sell at the top of the mountain, now you will never get is 100% spot on and it very difficult to predict, but at the end of the day you know it will go up and down that you can be sure of, finding the right spot to buy and then right spot to sell is where the 'fun' part lies.

What I normally do during the day is look at a graph during lunch time (work in IT), I do not buy but try to predict the outcome and plot my theoretical buy point, tomorrow I check the graph again and see if I my prediction was right or wrong, no money spent just fun and games... Turn the graph into a line graph, not candles when you start out, easier to 'see' the valleys and mountains...


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Persiville on November 23, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if I were to be a sort of "trading expert", I definitely wouldn't expose my strategies to the public. Why not make your own? Just follow basic tips of trading like: have patience, don't panic sell/buy, those stuff; and just create your own strategy. Best of luck.
Yes, sometimes there are tgings that no need to tell to everybody especially when your trading earnings will be affected. We have our own strategies, you have yours.

Well there are also some times that some of those who wants to learn want to know your trading patterns and strategies, but the most effective way is just to study the basics, and then make your own strategies and decision. Each of us have different trading styles and patterns, and the main objective is to earn or gain from it.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Fatunad on November 23, 2017, 01:04:31 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if I were to be a sort of "trading expert", I definitely wouldn't expose my strategies to the public. Why not make your own? Just follow basic tips of trading like: have patience, don't panic sell/buy, those stuff; and just create your own strategy. Best of luck.
Yes, sometimes there are tgings that no need to tell to everybody especially when your trading earnings will be affected. We have our own strategies, you have yours.

Well there are also some times that some of those who wants to learn want to know your trading patterns and strategies, but the most effective way is just to study the basics, and then make your own strategies and decision. Each of us have different trading styles and patterns, and the main objective is to earn or gain from it.
Basics is mainly needed when we do plan to start on trading. Being expert is not a joke since it would really require you lots of time and experience before you would able to reach that state. Im not a trading expert but somehow i do manage to be on profits. Strategies can really be made on your own but its not bad to get ideas and experiences from someone. It is good for reference and if you can able to apply in your trading then its much better.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: DaMut on November 23, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
an expert ? hmm i think nobody want to claim that,
if you're a trader there're no word or tittle so called as an 'expert',nobody will view themself as an expert.
because everyday and everytime we will always learn something new,
which mean we're trying to be a perfect trader and learn everything.
if we're claiming to be an expert i believe we do not need to learn anything,but we're not.
no matter how good we are we're keep trying and learning from our mistakes,
the best way to figure out how to trade is to understand and know about yourself.
everybody have their own problem,financial,goal and etc etc.
try to figure it out by yourself by learning from your mistakes,i believe you already made your trade,right ?
learn from it and figure it out what is your weakness and try to solve it,
remember you have real life and always consider it for every trade that you will make in the future.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: rodel caling on November 23, 2017, 04:07:52 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

trading is very risky investment you need to learned with your own secrets and strategy to become succesful trader i have some tip with you mate hope you can help this you, earn good for frofit spread the method for short time to trade buy coins in the lower price and pump the price until small percent sell it do not wait for the high price pump if want you sure profits it because the highest price pumping a second time the price goes down straight.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: newinbtc on November 23, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
Just make the buy it low the sell it high because that's the way you earn because most of the time that investors in a coin have not risen and the price is still down and you really need to be careful trading because trading is risky as gambling and you are hired to watch the trading you enter because it has a chance of falling short of price, if you would like to be able to get more tricks when you click on youtube how to do it.

Some times we need to think twice After selling that altcoin or any coin , Ex - I invested in Ethereum when price was 200$ about in some days it reach 250$ i sold it and by mistake i hold some coins in other wallet about 0.5 ETh which helps me later when price reaches 400$ above

I will say Invest and Hold Small amount and Sell Amount if you really need , just keep your eyes at graphics and charts if you think any bad news came regarding coin you invested just sell at that time.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: amacar2 on November 23, 2017, 05:15:23 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
I am not expert  in crypto trading but I know lots of basic things every crypto trader must understand before getting into real trading.
- Patience
- Profit taking during PUMP
- Limiting your loss during DUMP
- Diversification of your holding
- Keep updated
- Buy on dump, sell on pump.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on November 23, 2017, 05:23:36 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
I am not an expert but I think I have encountered some situations where decision making is important particular is in Selling. Some would say "just wait for the dip" and dip is indeed active but its easier said than done. I have encountered cut loss after cut loss but to make money on it you need to follow a lot people so you can also share your personal knowledge.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Qunenin on November 23, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

trading is very risky investment you need to learned with your own secrets and strategy to become succesful trader i have some tip with you mate hope you can help this you, earn good for frofit spread the method for short time to trade buy coins in the lower price and pump the price until small percent sell it do not wait for the high price pump if want you sure profits it because the highest price pumping a second time the price goes down straight.

No doubt trading is risky. Those who think it is risk free and easy, they really live in fool paradise. Soon they will realize that they need lot of experience and tips from the experts to be able to get profit and keep your self in the right direction.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: dieselmeister on November 23, 2017, 05:54:17 PM
I'm not an expert, but I would like to give you some advices. Before buying any coin, you also research carefully about history of that coin. After that, find your own strategy and the interest rate for that coin. Good luck to you!


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: aoluain on November 23, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
I doubt if any expert would divulge their strategies to all over
a public forum. Unfortunately we all have to make our own way
through the trading jungle and make mistakes and learn from them.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: suzanne5223 on November 24, 2017, 06:27:22 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.




Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: family934 on November 24, 2017, 06:54:32 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.



For another trader, I recommend as opposed to going to make speedy benefits from day exchanging begin putting resources into few best coins and screen how advertises vary each day and learn things gradually. Individuals can share just broad rules for exchanging yet don't expect any completely working techniques. Good fortunes to you in profiting from cryptographic forms of money and recall don't contribute all your cash one time rather purchase in little amounts.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: giveen on November 24, 2017, 07:21:30 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.

How is trading related to greediness , this isn't some sort of gambling bs where you can make unlimited money (not considering the losing part ;D). If you didn't know paying tips also doesn't help there are so many telegram groups who have been involved in such scams lately. Some dude ended up paying 0.2 btc as tip and never got any strategy.

Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

trading is very risky investment you need to learned with your own secrets and strategy to become succesful trader i have some tip with you mate hope you can help this you, earn good for frofit spread the method for short time to trade buy coins in the lower price and pump the price until small percent sell it do not wait for the high price pump if want you sure profits it because the highest price pumping a second time the price goes down straight.

No doubt trading is risky. Those who think it is risk free and easy, they really live in fool paradise. Soon they will realize that they need lot of experience and tips from the experts to be able to get profit and keep your self in the right direction.
It's risky if you screw up things or choose the wrong coin. According to me making profit from trading isn't hard at all instead of aiming to get higher profits aim to get smaller profits like 2%,5% etc getting these isn't hard and risk involved is also less.

Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
I am not an expert but I think I have encountered some situations where decision making is important particular is in Selling. Some would say "just wait for the dip" and dip is indeed active but its easier said than done. I have encountered cut loss after cut loss but to make money on it you need to follow a lot people so you can also share your personal knowledge.
This is what trading is all about don't get it how this even helpful what we have to do is find that coin which can rise.

Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
If you are looking for what to do there are several replies already but here's a strategy which works for me.
Buy etc at $17.5 and sell it at $18.3+ well you might say the profit is just $1 but what i do instead is buy 95 etc at $17.5 and this price trend occurs daily. Set a stop loss below resistance level.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: RoommateAgreement on November 24, 2017, 08:02:13 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

unfortunately trading is something that you have to learn on your own. however, there are good resources online that you can use such as the charting schools and investopedia. you can visit these sites and even google for more and read them for a while then start investing on your own.
i personally started this way, i wouldn't call myself an "expert" but i am satisfied with my results. i have spent a lot of time just watching the market though. someone once said to do it and i tried, it is a good thing. you gain a lot of experience by that. you see how it changes, how others are reacting and you have to analyze what you see to apply it to the the real trades you want to do in the future.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Pursuer on November 24, 2017, 08:25:10 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.

one of the best things about trading cryptocurrencies is that you can start with a very small amount, use this to your advantage. you can invest 0.001BTC which is less than $10 with current price and start trading with that. it is 10 times the minimum trading amount allowed on most exchanges and it is also bigger than deposit fees for bitcoin but not withdrawal fees of most exchanges.

never make a trade based on emotions, such as feeling you missed out on the rise or missed out on selling. in other words don't  do panic trading.
try to have a good reason for every coin that you buy and sell when you reach your desired profit not your wished profit. that would be being greedy which never ends well in trading.

in the end it is all about experience. you start with that small amount and make it into 0.002BTC then 0.004BTC and when you felt confined, you can invest a bigger amount or be cautious and turn this 0.001BTC to 1BTC!


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: posi on November 24, 2017, 10:07:38 AM
OP, no one will link their trading strategy just like that.
What do we call an expert? An expert is a person who is very knowledgeable about something or skillful in a particular area. Therefore, to be a  crypto currency trading expert you need to study, learn and have the knowledge of the price movement of the coin you want to trade because most people who loose their fund are not ready to study and understand the coin they put their money into.

Note :  Knowledge is power



Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: gabbie2010 on November 24, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
Trading strategy is not some thing to be reveal to the public there is a general perception that once a strategy is exposed publicly it tends to fail because a lot of people will use it as a result nobody will give out his or her working strategy freely with striking a deal of course the owner will prefers using it privately.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: suzanne5223 on November 24, 2017, 10:53:53 AM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.

How is trading related to greediness , this isn't some sort of gambling bs where you can make unlimited money (not considering the losing part ;D). If you didn't know paying tips also doesn't help there are so many telegram groups who have been involved in such scams lately. Some dude ended up paying 0.2 btc as tip and never got any strategy.

I used the word greedy because most newbie knew that people make huge profit through trading but they don't read article on how to trade profitable before they start to trade an altcoin which does well in the market for weeks while they end up loose their money. Therefore, if ones have too much ego of making money then greediness will come in, understand?





Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.



For another trader, I recommend as opposed to going to make speedy benefits from day exchanging begin putting resources into few best coins and screen how advertises vary each day and learn things gradually. Individuals can share just broad rules for exchanging yet don't expect any completely working techniques. Good fortunes to you in profiting from cryptographic forms of money and recall don't contribute all your cash one time rather purchase in little amounts.

You're right and I agree with what you said because gradual processing of things at a point of time leads to been an expert in the field. However, taking time to study things will make someone to be outstanding and more creative.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: BitcoinHodler on November 24, 2017, 02:15:45 PM
as we all know, altcoins get pump and dumped a lot. this creates a neat little strategy that i have been using for a while and is profitable although risky.
this strategy is to check the market from time to time to see which coin is getting pumped that day. for example you see BCH is rising today from 0.012BTC, and the volume looks good.
you then invest in it and enjoy the ride to 0.02BTC and when it slowed down, you start selling for your daily profit.

additionally it is good to listen to the altcoin news to see if there is any reason for these pumps. for example BCH had the Bitstamp news which was a good indicator.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: miyaka26 on November 24, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
There no such thing as an expert here in crypto trading why? you will think that it is the right thing to do because you have tons of experience and knowledge about trading, you are watching the market 24/7 day and night just to watch the chances of a trade, but the problem is what you think is right is actually wrong because your just doing speculation and research about a certain coin to reduce the risk of your loss you never really know what will be the next pumps and dumps, you may do a wrong judgement and jump to a conclusion that you will quit because the market is unpredictable.


Title: Re: Trading Strategies of Some Experts.
Post by: Funeral Wreaths on November 24, 2017, 04:10:27 PM
Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.

How is trading related to greediness , this isn't some sort of gambling bs where you can make unlimited money (not considering the losing part ;D). If you didn't know paying tips also doesn't help there are so many telegram groups who have been involved in such scams lately. Some dude ended up paying 0.2 btc as tip and never got any strategy.

I used the word greedy because most newbie knew that people make huge profit through trading but they don't read article on how to trade profitable before they start to trade an altcoin which does well in the market for weeks while they end up loose their money. Therefore, if ones have too much ego of making money then greediness will come in, understand?





Are you an expert? Your ideas and strategies on how to get successfull in cryptocurrency trading will be highly appreciated. Care to help us who are new into this? Drop your ideas here please! Thank you.
Bhadz0118, most people won't give you the idea you need to be a trading expert and they will ask you for a tip in exchange of the require information concerning trading. But, I'm telling you that you're the one that will help yourself and remove your from the greediness of making money by sitting down and study closely the price movement of each coin you wanted to trade.



For another trader, I recommend as opposed to going to make speedy benefits from day exchanging begin putting resources into few best coins and screen how advertises vary each day and learn things gradually. Individuals can share just broad rules for exchanging yet don't expect any completely working techniques. Good fortunes to you in profiting from cryptographic forms of money and recall don't contribute all your cash one time rather purchase in little amounts.

You're right and I agree with what you said because gradual processing of things at a point of time leads to been an expert in the field. However, taking time to study things will make someone to be outstanding and more creative.
so in the end nobody could help you other than yourself. it will actually take time, just have patience and keep learning, sooner or later you will realize someday it was all worth the wait and effort. you cannot also speed up things which are meant to be studied and learned, so just keep on studying what the basics are and then apply it for some time.