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I know that all your guys are making profit's off all this, but is all this mining really necessary? We could have just created all BitCoins all at once and then there would be no such thing as mining, then we would have saved the world form a TON of CO2 gas, because we are using multiple GigaWatts of power for all this mining. To me it seems a bit more like we are just wasting electricity computing these numbers.

to some it might seem a waste, to me its fun to actually learn something about bitcoin & to learn how the system behind it works.

it's a matter of perspective really.

Yes, the mining is necessary. Each block in the chain makes it harder for an attacker to compromise the network. Without a reward, there would be no incentive for solving blocks and wasting that electricity. The purpose of mining is only secondarily to introduce Bitcoins into the system. The primary goal is to create incentive to support the network.

Also, if all Bitcoins were created at once, who would control them? How would they be distributed? As of now, the more effort you put into supporting the network, the more Bitcoins you earn.

It is if you don't have a specialized rig.

It would be impossible to just create all btc at once, out of thin air. The process of generating new blocks is so mathematically intense that it requires a distributed network comprising tens of thousands of computers. I can't say if it's more efficient than the energy costs of running the credit card industry or the money printing industry considering all factors, but then again I'm not entirely sure bitcoin is designed to be green. It's more of a pseudonymous commodity market.

I use deepbits pool miner to mine, it only uses the resources Im not using so it make more sense to run it. You wont get rich off of it but it can help you start.

Its all down to your situation. Have a read in the mining threads etc go cost up a rig, work out your electricity costs, make up your own mind about bitcoins future and do you even trust the exchanges ?

Empty quote much ?

How about you tell us why ?

As others have said it is obviously necessary to protect the system.

[Environmentalists mode]why don't use green power mining?[/Environmentalists mode]

Give us the calculations? I'm still making a nice profit :)

It's not worth it to buy new hardware at this point, if the price continues to be the same and difficulty changes continue as they are, but is that likely?

Give your source for "BTC is dying", I don't see this :)

/treehugging mode Im a PV solar installer. Got 3.1KWp sitting on my roof.


EDIT: I'm buying new rigs but im speculating and taking a risk. These rigs will always have value to me for gaming reasons.

Now THAT is the way to do things.... use solar panels to power your rigs. (Or Wind, or geo). Just wish I had the cash to put down for solar.

Mining is not only about mining, it's about SAFETY

Go read how bitcoin, the blockchain and everything work, then come back.

Also i like CO2, plants eat them and they like it!  :D

Not really any cheaper, having a solar panel for exactly the same cost as buying power from your power company for 20 years.

Bullshit. Bitcoins are NOT generated by solving blocks - the bitcoin are part of the agreed upon protocol for the block. They are not "mined" as in "found", they are a protocol intrinsic reward for solving a block. As such, if the protocol would say "all coins start at address x" in the root block, then this wuold be it. No power required.

The reason it was done like that is because it is the only way. You need to distribute the coins. Otherwise - I have TomCoins, 21.000.000, want some? All mine.

how about wind power?

I think personally that mining BitCoins is a waste of time... But thats because I just think after you factor in all the costs, such as technical knowledge, hardware, electricity, inconvinience, its better to buy them on the free market, not to mention supporting the exchanges is better for the economy than mining them yourselves, as there will always be the same amount of coins produced regardless of the amount of miners, whether there are 10 or 10000000 miners is irrelevant... Supporting the economy and giving the exchanges the fees they deserve, and allowing competition in the market is the best way to help BitCoin at the moment...

EDIT: The system is already set up to ensure there are enough miners, by decreasing the difficulty when there are less and less miners...

I see it as an excuse to build up a couple of kickass gaming rigs and only have to pay about half price for all the parts in one month and after two months start to pay for the electricity bill with the earnings.

In the end when it comes to mining is about you electrcity bill, if you can keep that low you will do good.

It creates ('faith based') money, therefor people are willing to give up resources.
All that effort helps to build a trust in the network.
The perception of value of a BTC will grow, when you see how much it costs you to generate a new set of 50 BTC.

All in all: it isn't a waste of energy; not more than the energy/time needed to keep enough trust in the value of bank accounts in EUR or USD (who have the rather large 'advantage' that you can/must pay your tax with them).

(Noob starting post, once I can reply to the proper topics my conspiracies will cease!)

Metered Electricity has been forced upon us since Nikola Tesla figured a way to tap into the zero-point energy (or whatever else it has been dubbed) in 1912. He was working with Edison & Westinghouse. Tesla's discovery of free energy didn't fit into the model that Westinghouse & co wanted, i.e. charging everybody for electricity.

For 100 years mankind has been burning fossil fuels to create costly electricity when free energy solutions have been covered up by the powers that be. Rothschild Zionism being a strong force today.

Sources for my info include Tesla's books and papers, Marko Rodin's Vortex Based Mathematics, John Searl's S.E.G., ancient civilisations, Nassim Haramein's Resonance Project, alternative research communities, red ice creations, et al.

Tesla also had cars running on free energy (no gas, petrol, oil, nothing) in excess of 100mph. With no moving engine parts, they would last longer without need for replacement parts. The common theme here is greed and power. Keep the proletariat subdued, make them work hard to earn money (faith based) so they can be under the illusion of freedom. We are free, to do as they tell us.

If you think you are free, try going anywhere or doing anything without a passport or money. Why do we have to pay to live on a planet we are born on?

Elements of our species have been coming and going to the moon, Mars and beyond for decades. You don't have to look very hard beyond the veil of established ideas to realise this is true. NASA's consistent altering of images of the moon and Mars for example.

I have reached a point where I no longer have the time or patience left to address myself to the needs of the system within which we work.

The sooner people start realising the reality of new physics and free energy, and the control systems in place to suppress this info, the sooner we can be truly free and explore the galaxy.

Once we discover our true conciousness, the need for any sort of financial system, bank, bitcoin or otherwise, will dissolve away. Until then, bitcoin when it is fully secure, is preferable to the established banking system.

Rant over.

when electricity exceeds what the cost of mining does then i will cease doing it.    for now i will gather my little bit of coins to help myself in real life


Jen

or use the waste heat from your rig to generate extra power!  ;)

I'm in the UK.
I installed it myself.
I get Paid around £0.42 per KWh (Unit) for what I generate NOT what I export. The power is my own to spend as I like and I still get paid.
I’m failing to see how this isn't cheaper for me.
Also Prices keep going up for us in the UK and tbh it’s got beyond a joke.

Maybe you assumed we all live where you do? Maybe that’s the case for your country I have no idea.

EDIT: Also heats not wasted :)   mmmm toasty warm office.

I agree.  At my current power consumption and cost, mining is still quite profitable after the mining rig has paid for it's own cost.

By the nature of the way the system is "rigged" (heh) with difficulty adjustments, mining is only going to be profitable if taken seriously like a business.  It will naturally adjust so that only the most efficient are profitable.  That will be even more so when purpose-designed hardware makes its appearance.

Hobbyists won't make any money.

is this thread a waste of time ?

Could very well be.

Mining as I see it is sort of a hobby, there's just something fun about tweaking/overclocking your gpu's to find a good balance between power consumption and hash output.

If you start looking at it from a green point of view then yea I guess you could say its wasteful. But seriously, most other hobby's are just as 'wasteful'. People playing games or people who are into racing etc are burning resources as well.

Wait so what do you consider to be a specialized rig? Would it have to be more than one computer?

It wouldn't be decentralized if it wasn't for miners.

Each block authenticates transactions created since the last one was generated. The grant of 50 BTC is to make it desirable to provide that infrastructure.

Mining is not a waste of time. Mining is the engine that runs the Bitcoin network. It is also a team of security guards protecting all the wealth it contains. These guards do not holster guns and batons however, only math.

You can read my less poetic eBook on the subject, Introduction to Bitcoin Mining for free at the site in my sig.

If all the bitcoins were created at the same time they would have no value,

As people have invested in electircy and rigs for mining it gives value to BTC

Think of bitcoin as an energetic coin.
The power consumption of your gpu transforms into bitcoins.
Energy coins!