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Title: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: papaminer on July 03, 2013, 11:44:12 PM
At first,

I really thought that this is DECENTRALIZED....

but as we go on...

I only found "ONE" main Crypto: Bitcoin

I only found "ONE" main Forum: bitcointalk.org

I only found "ONE" main Currency Exchange: MtGox

I only found "ONE" main miner company: BFL



Why can't we have atleast:

4 coins

4 forums

4 currency exchange

4 miner company?

Well yeah... I know that a few coins/forums/exchange/miner have been merging in... but still it is not enough to be called as entirely "DECENTRALIZED"...

Don't get me wrong... I am no btc hater... I have been supporting btc and the entire Crypto world as a whole...

I really believe in this concept and hoping we can succeed in killing USD and other FIAT... in the "NEAR FUTURE"...





Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: peonminer on July 03, 2013, 11:54:58 PM
Papa, with all due respect, there are many exchanges, forums, coins, and mining companies. Is this meant to be metaphorical?


Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: papaminer on July 04, 2013, 12:13:17 AM
Papa, with all due respect, there are many exchanges, forums, coins, and mining companies. Is this meant to be metaphorical?

did get a chance to read the entire thread?

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Well yeah... I know that a few coins/forums/exchange/miner have been merging in... but still it is not enough to be called as entirely "DECENTRALIZED"...


Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: PerfectAgent on July 04, 2013, 02:14:57 AM
There are many more than four currencies. More than four forums/discussion sites. More than four exchanges. And if by mining companies you mean ASIC manufacturers, there are are four or five.


Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: papaminer on July 04, 2013, 05:01:44 PM
There are many more than four currencies. More than four forums/discussion sites. More than four exchanges. And if by mining companies you mean ASIC manufacturers, there are are four or five.

Yeah... I said that in the post as well...

but can they be called part of the network/system yet? I don't think so...

"MOST" Crypto users are still stuck on the main forums/coins/exchange/manufacturers...

WHEN IN FACT IT SHOULD BE DECENTRALIZED....

so if main forums/coins/exchange/manufacturers is under attack...

THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF DECENTRALIZED IS PANICKING and is getting destroyed "EASILY"...



Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: Gabi on July 04, 2013, 06:02:04 PM
There are tons of forums about bitcoin

There are tons of exchanges, better than mtgox

There are tons of asic manufacturers, better than bfl. Most of them also started shipping asics before bfl.


Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 04, 2013, 06:52:02 PM
1) You aren't looking very hard.

2) You don't understand the meaning of the word "decentralized" as it applies to bitcoin

3) You are trolling.


Pick one (or more).


Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: papaminer on July 04, 2013, 09:13:03 PM
1) You aren't looking very hard.

2) You don't understand the meaning of the word "decentralized" as it applies to bitcoin

3) You are trolling.


Pick one (or more).

None of the above.

Look here... I wanted to have a secure way where even the the gov can't touch.

Let's put for example megaupload's shutdown.

if there were "MANY" megaupload... (we know there were many but not as good as megaupload)... so in reality... there was only "ONE" megaupload...

and it was shutdown just like that...



Now back to CRYPTO... how do you know that the gov can't shutdown one of our "MAIN" forum/coin/exchange/manufacturer? heck, they can make up anything and get our mainstream as crypto as a whole...

If there are "REAL" decentralized aspect of all these... then it wouldn't be this easy to manipulate any crypto price at all...

I was there when btc went to $21/btc down to $5 then shoot up to $266... and now here it is again...

I would estimate that there is only about 9% of "us" versus the 91% of them... and if the 91% of them attacks our main coin/forum/exchange/etc...

there is nothing much we can do but hold our horses...







Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on July 04, 2013, 09:40:27 PM
There are tons of forums about bitcoin

There are tons of exchanges, better than mtgox

There are tons of asic manufacturers, better than bfl. Most of them also started shipping asics before bfl.


and its getting bigger and bigger


Title: Re: [CRYPTO] BITCOIN AS "DECENTRALIZED"
Post by: gambit1 on July 04, 2013, 10:43:33 PM

There is no reason why something that it is decentralized should not have a volatile price. Of course people can manipulate the price; that's freedom. What they cannot manipulate, crucially, is the maximum money supply.