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Title: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 04, 2013, 06:10:48 AM
 
Guess you should be paying in btc anyway but i did not expect this. Who here uses a vpn and pays for it regularly with paypal, mastercard or visa?

 

http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/03/1952228/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers
 




Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: Lethn on July 04, 2013, 04:07:27 PM
With moves like this all they're going to do is just push more and more people into using Bitcoin because they prove themselves to be a bunch of monopolising scumbags, I'm not surprised at all they're doing this, they're freezing peoples bank accounts too.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: vokain on July 04, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
perhaps this is all a part of Agenda 21 to push people towards a universal currency designed by the NSA  :P


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 04, 2013, 08:24:33 PM
I never thought i would see this day!..  Funny enough my vpn provider still accepts paypal.. Luckily btc too.. Whats the saying. if youre vpn provider doesn't accept bitcoin youre at the wrong vpn provider!


Whats is not clear to me is the legality of this... How is this legal for them to single out an industry and target them! A legal industry. Lots of businesses i work with have their employees use a vpn when overseas to access the work network and proprietary info!



I wonder how far we are from an all out ban on encryption! I can see it now... Its for the children.. to save you from terror ...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..

i guess thats a whole different matter but ..




With moves like this all they're going to do is just push more and more people into using Bitcoin because they prove themselves to be a bunch of monopolising scumbags, I'm not surprised at all they're doing this, they're freezing peoples bank accounts too.


 Bitcoin users shouldnt be pushed to use it.. They shouldnt be pushed to use tor or vpn services either but here we are!




perhaps this is all a part of Agenda 21 to push people towards a universal currency designed by the NSA  :P


The meltdown has to occur before all that..  the are propping up the dollar, hell they are crashing the markets to save the dollar.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/06/22/fed-crashes-markets-to-defend-against-dollar-collapse/

 


People are sleep than a motha....














 


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: Spendulus on July 04, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
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I wonder how far we are from an all out ban on encryption! I can see it now... Its for the children.. to save you from terror ...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..

i guess thats a whole different matter but .. ....

Well, you just might have it right.  The only way to save the people from terror is for the people to dictate to the politicians of all stripes...

...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 05, 2013, 12:43:41 AM
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I wonder how far we are from an all out ban on encryption! I can see it now... Its for the children.. to save you from terror ...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..

i guess thats a whole different matter but .. ....

Well, you just might have it right.  The only way to save the people from terror is for the people to dictate to the politicians of all stripes...

...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..
....
I wonder how far we are from an all out ban on encryption! I can see it now... Its for the children.. to save you from terror ...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..

i guess thats a whole different matter but .. ....

Well, you just might have it right.  The only way to save the people from terror is for the people to dictate to the politicians of all stripes...

...we must read every email, every webpage you visit, ever conversation you have, every video you watch, every book you read, every course you study, every place you go, and every thing you could potentially think must be recorded and cataloged forever.  ..



I think its a people problem not a politician problem.. Check what happened to Egypt's president ... The first democratically elected president...
 

You think the people didnt like something?


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: Spendulus on July 05, 2013, 01:29:03 PM
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You think the people didnt like something?
I think the problem they figured out they had was that there was plain nothing likeable about the Muslim Brotherhood....the group that spawned Bin Laden and the entire set of Islamic murderers of today.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 05, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
Agreed!

Meanwhile in America the Restore the 4th protests brought out 400 people that showed up at any given location and they where pretty much ignored and not even covered by the media.  Im sure holding up a sign that said boycott visa and mastercard would have brought a chuckle.







Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: foggyb on July 05, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
Bitcoin user unaffected.

My provider accepts bitcoin.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 05, 2013, 08:25:41 PM
^^ From my understanding, they are selectively targeting vpn providers using a certain payment gateway.. or just selectively targeting vpn providers overseas!

Im just wondering how long the rest of the world is going to sit there and act like a lil ...    


Eventually one would think there would be some blowback and companies would start boycotting US based services but...


Visa and mastercard have a foothold so ingrained into the fabric of society's its gonna take a movement to get a considerable amount of motion!


It may take a social movement.. a community based and possibly a politically powered movement!!  

Maybe a BITCOIN movement!  ;)


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Unfortunately America is busy watching american idol, dancing with the stars, nascar, pierce morgan live, the nba playoffs, the superbowl or some other distraction that has people paralyzed and dazed and the issues come and go like a commercial thats on high volume but gets ignored like the line up of side-effects from a big-pharma adverts!!  


What was that: may cause liver damage, blindness, insomnia, baldness, heart attack, skin rash, kidney failure...

America: --->>>> can someone pass the cheez wiz and bacon, the third quarter is about to start!


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: readonlyaccess on July 08, 2013, 01:49:03 AM
Paying my VPN service in BTC...i'd advise everyone else to do the same!


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 08, 2013, 07:50:45 PM
Get behind tor and then ---->   pay with bitcoin!


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: phillipsjk on July 08, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
^^ From my understanding, they are selectively targeting vpn providers using a certain payment gateway.. or just selectively targeting vpn providers overseas!

If true, that tells me that all of the continental US VPN providers are under surveillance whether they know it or not.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: Lethos on July 08, 2013, 10:46:20 PM
Dangerous path they going down, cutting off their toes to save their face won't work for long, if they can't stand any more when they run out of toes.

As already pointed out VPN services are a legit business, are they going to suspend all computer hardware sellers next because hackers use computers? Sounds stupid, but it's the same logic they seem to have used with VPN it seems.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 09, 2013, 01:48:18 AM
^^ From my understanding, they are selectively targeting vpn providers using a certain payment gateway.. or just selectively targeting vpn providers overseas!

If true, that tells me that all of the continental US VPN providers are under surveillance whether they know it or not.



The terrain below the cables is hardly ever seen..


Dangerous path they going down, cutting off their toes to save their face won't work for long, if they can't stand any more when they run out of toes.

As already pointed out VPN services are a legit business, are they going to suspend all computer hardware sellers next because hackers use computers? Sounds stupid, but it's the same logic they seem to have used with VPN it seems.


Im not sure where the source of their stance is coming from but.. its worrisome in nature. If the thought of banning encryption is pondered ..let alone enacted or proposed. Btc would take a knee, and be de-knighted on sight!





Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: jnagyjr on July 09, 2013, 06:36:17 AM
Very interesting, and it does seem to point to an overall strategy, but this isn't anything really new, though. Socialism and all it's little sects, has had powerful adherents throughout history. Even though it keeps on failing, each successive generation keeps on pushing for it because they think they can do it better, and then they fail and start lashing out at all those they think kept them from succeeding even though it was their own flawed philosophy that failed.

Nothing new to see here, just be sure to keep your eyes and ears open.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: phillipsjk on July 09, 2013, 06:48:38 PM
SocialismCapitalism and all it's little sects, has had powerful adherents throughout history. Even though it keeps on failing, each successive generation keeps on pushing for it because they think they can do it better, and then they fail and start lashing out at all those they think kept them from succeeding even though it was their own flawed philosophy that failed.

Fixed. :D

Unless you are trying to claim credit card processors are socialist.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 09, 2013, 11:54:26 PM
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2009/05/who-owns-the-credit-card-compa.html


The credit card companies are publicly held company's  ..as stated in the article Mastercard for example had an ipo in 2006.

But the "source of their stance" is not from their shareholders, or it does'nt seem it!  The reasons for them to selectively target a payment gateway or an industry or a country or just country's overseas would pretty much cause an outrage if it was public! But the sources is not publicy... surely these vpn companys arent breaking the law. Just imagine a how many executives use vpn services to access work networks while they are on their yacht!

Im pretty sure they didnt have executives in mind while going ahead with a ban tho.. Im just saying selectively targeting people, company's, industry's, country's or even networks seems a bit ... whats the word im looking for here?


discriminatory!



 


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: jnagyjr on July 10, 2013, 03:30:51 AM
SocialismCapitalism and all it's little sects, has had powerful adherents throughout history. Even though it keeps on failing, each successive generation keeps on pushing for it because they think they can do it better, and then they fail and start lashing out at all those they think kept them from succeeding even though it was their own flawed philosophy that failed.

Fixed. :D

Unless you are trying to claim credit card processors are socialist.

No, not the processors, but the people behind them ARE very left-leaning and tend toward socialism even though their own fortunes were made outside of a socialist system. "Fix" reverted.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: biggie on July 10, 2013, 05:07:23 PM
SocialismCapitalism and all it's little sects, has had powerful adherents throughout history. Even though it keeps on failing, each successive generation keeps on pushing for it because they think they can do it better, and then they fail and start lashing out at all those they think kept them from succeeding even though it was their own flawed philosophy that failed.

Fixed. :D

Unless you are trying to claim credit card processors are socialist.

No, not the processors, but the people behind them ARE very left-leaning and tend toward socialism even though their own fortunes were made outside of a socialist system. "Fix" reverted.

Pfff, when will joe sixpack wake up and discover this right/left bullshit is just a way to keep people away from the real source of issues.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: mateo on July 12, 2013, 12:12:16 AM
The same they banned Wikileaks.
Strangely, Visa and Mastercard doesn't like anything US government doesn't like.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: jnagyjr on July 12, 2013, 12:41:34 AM
SocialismCapitalism and all it's little sects, has had powerful adherents throughout history. Even though it keeps on failing, each successive generation keeps on pushing for it because they think they can do it better, and then they fail and start lashing out at all those they think kept them from succeeding even though it was their own flawed philosophy that failed.

Fixed. :D

Unless you are trying to claim credit card processors are socialist.

No, not the processors, but the people behind them ARE very left-leaning and tend toward socialism even though their own fortunes were made outside of a socialist system. "Fix" reverted.

Pfff, when will joe sixpack wake up and discover this right/left bullshit is just a way to keep people away from the real source of issues.


You mean like the Council on Foreign Relations?


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 12, 2013, 12:55:03 AM
The same they banned Wikileaks.
Strangely, Visa and Mastercard doesn't like anything US government doesn't like.

Strangely enough they just unbanned wikileaks but i think they just want to track donation made to them ...



But yeah, the source of their stance is not internal! Its seems they are working outside of the whole judge, jury, and court of law thing and they are circumventing it all together !


With wikileaks i think it was Joe Lieberman who without a court order or without any proof of a law being broken ... Just basically called up visa and mastercard and "told" them to stop taking donation via Credit cards on the site.


Initially i think it was paypal who Joe Lieberman called and had paypal ban wikileaks from using the service!

Then paypal obliged without a court order or anything! (Just a mere phone call from Joe Lieberman)


Then wikileaks said well screw payal we will just use visa and mastercard!  Well it wasnt too long after giving paypal the middle finger that visa and mastercard got the call!!

& then of course visa and mastercard stopped taking donations for wikileaks!





After that happened ... the hackers came out of the woodworks and started targeting paypal , visa, mastercard!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8188797/WikiLeaks-supporters-hack-Mastercard.com.html




Then Joe and his gang started targeting the web host of wikileaks ... (AMAZON CLOUD SERVICES)


after a call from joe and his gang, amazon caved in and shutdown wikileaks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon



Then the mirrors happened after that !! A boat load of wikileaks clones showed up! Meaning .. Wikileaks was being mirrored by thousands of supporters who witnessed paypal, visa, mastercard, amazon and others who without court orders or anything "official" and documented were discriminating against the whistle blowing giant.


At the time i imagine satoshi coding with a grin as he watched what seemed to be a script out of the movies!




Fast forward a few years and here we are ... right smack in the middle of another whistle blowing scandal !!!  One that may change the face of communications as we know it!


 





hello, can you hear me now?.. How about know?







shhhhhhhhhhhhh static, click , click


















Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: jnagyjr on July 12, 2013, 01:52:36 AM
The CFR and Trilateral Commission are the real source, the puppiticians in government are just their marionettes. The left/right thing isn't just smoke and mirrors, though.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: mateo on July 12, 2013, 02:38:49 PM
The same they banned Wikileaks.
Strangely, Visa and Mastercard doesn't like anything US government doesn't like.

After that happened ... the hackers came out of the woodworks and started targeting paypal , visa, mastercard!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8188797/WikiLeaks-supporters-hack-Mastercard.com.html


I think hackers can do more harm than good, by plain revenge hackings, as it will look to the public as simply the criminals getting back at credit card companies. Unless they uncover and publish unlawful behavior.

http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-mastercard-paypal-for-killing-wikileaks-donations-initiates-regulation/ (http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-mastercard-paypal-for-killing-wikileaks-donations-initiates-regulation/)
That's another result of that financial blockade. I'm not a fan of a centralized government solving problems that arise because of centralization in the financial world, but would sure love to see PayPal losing a couple of expensive lawsuits due to their behavior.


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: Spendulus on July 12, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Get behind tor and then ---->   pay with bitcoin!

Or, less to my preference but available, pay for VPN with paypal...


Title: Re: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers
Post by: zedicus on July 12, 2013, 11:05:18 PM
The same they banned Wikileaks.
Strangely, Visa and Mastercard doesn't like anything US government doesn't like.

After that happened ... the hackers came out of the woodworks and started targeting paypal , visa, mastercard!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8188797/WikiLeaks-supporters-hack-Mastercard.com.html


I think hackers can do more harm than good, by plain revenge hackings, as it will look to the public as simply the criminals getting back at credit card companies. Unless they uncover and publish unlawful behavior.

http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-mastercard-paypal-for-killing-wikileaks-donations-initiates-regulation/
That's another result of that financial blockade. I'm not a fan of a centralized government solving problems that arise because of centralization in the financial world, but would sure love to see PayPal losing a couple of expensive lawsuits due to their behavior.




I think youre right about the hackers .. it make for good press and some feel good articles but besides costing them millions it rarely changes their behavior! Considering we are still talking about them... Its plainly obvious they have a foothold so deep its gonna take more than a denial of service to remove the posture from their lean!! Denial of service may cost them millions but its like pick pocketing bill gates!  Not exactly gonna hurt him so to speak.. Makes for great headlines tho..



The article you posted starts out with one hell of a statement!! Its so on point i couldn't have said it better!!!

quote:  --->> "Visa, MasterCard, and Paypal control the valve to any money flow on the planet"








Get behind tor and then ---->   pay with bitcoin!

Or, less to my preference but available, pay for VPN with paypal...



Yeah... i just hate to give em business of any kind.. I last used paypal about 6 months ago on a car forum for a car part purchase from a forum member because he wouldnt take anything else and it was a rare piece so to speak but..

 It just pains me to give them any money! If i had it my way i would never eva eva eva eva use paypal ever again! They are a **** company ran by **** people! The have a bfl like odor that makes you cringe at the thought of supporting their business!