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Title: BFL sample Chips Post by: af_newbie on July 05, 2013, 05:08:07 PM Has anyone who ordered BFL chips actually received them?
It has been more than 14 days since the first orders were placed. BFL promised to ship sample chips 14 days after order has been placed. Just curious. Anyone? Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: rammy2k2 on July 05, 2013, 05:15:13 PM it would be a first for BFL to deliver on time, i hope on monday people will post good news
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 08, 2013, 02:56:14 AM Bought BFL chips 6/11. No samples received. No word from BFL. Josh says it's the sales departments's problem.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Darktongue on July 08, 2013, 04:37:06 AM Lnfao two weeks.. what's with two weeks and bfl
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 08, 2013, 05:58:54 AM Bought BFL chips 6/11. No samples received. No word from BFL. Josh says it's the sales departments's problem. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html Shame shit different pile... why not try Bitfury chips? Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 03:30:39 PM Bought BFL chips 6/11. No samples received. No word from BFL. Josh says it's the sales departments's problem. Shame shit different pile... So one day Bill went up to him, lying in the dust, and said: "Why do you sit on the track every day, when every day you get knocked off by the train?" The guy replies: "Because I can't believe that it's going to happen every day." Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: YipYip on July 09, 2013, 03:47:47 AM Bought BFL chips 6/11. No samples received. No word from BFL. Josh says it's the sales departments's problem. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html Wow, I ordered about a week after you, still nothing. Got an email from Anthony Fast (chips@butterflylabs.com) that they would ship in 14 days. That was 2 weeks ago, I emailed him again. Waiting for a reply. I had more 100+ buys lined up but I'll not be buying more until I see samples. Honestly dude you should know better !! ...lolz Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 09, 2013, 03:56:11 AM The only reason I think there's a chance the bulk of chips may ship out in a somewhat timely fashion is that 50% of payment is due on delivery. Unfortunately there is alternatively no such direct financial incentive for BFL to ship the sample chips. :-[
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: YipYip on July 09, 2013, 10:36:47 AM The only reason I think there's a chance the bulk of chips may ship out in a somewhat timely fashion is that 50% of payment is due on delivery. Unfortunately there is alternatively no such direct financial incentive for BFL to ship the sample chips. :-[ .................lolz They now have 50% of your money for what...nothing !!!!! Welcome to the Big Fucking Lies Ransom project !! Welcome to the never ending queue of broken dreams and unfulfilled promises...and also the queue ..lolz Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Humax on July 09, 2013, 01:44:10 PM Lnfao two weeks.. what's with two weeks and bfl Exactly! Try after 2 years! LOL Butt F*cked Lol!! Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Loredo on July 09, 2013, 03:07:50 PM The only reason I think there's a chance the bulk of chips may ship out in a somewhat timely fashion is that 50% of payment is due on delivery. Unfortunately there is alternatively no such direct financial incentive for BFL to ship the sample chips. :-[ Well, yeah, except there's a basic econ principle that says you only work until the incremental gain is <= to the incremental work. So if someone gets $1 for doing absolutely nothing, and to get the next dollar, actually has to some major work, well ... pro forma out some different scenarios. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: navidos on July 09, 2013, 03:35:20 PM buying from BFL is a bad bet at first place. but keeping up with deadlines is not what BFL is about anyway.
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: k9quaint on July 10, 2013, 03:31:50 AM buying from BFL is a bad bet at first place. but keeping up with deadlines is not what BFL is about anyway. I see it now. They cannot be trusted what they say. Their "chips sales guy" said 14 days, now he does not reply to emails. I'm not sure if they will actually deliver chips in 100 days. I would recommend for people to stop buying chips from these guys until they send out samples. Shocking. :P Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 10, 2013, 04:12:11 AM This just in from Josh:
Anthony is not longer with us, which is why the sample chips have languished. I just corrected this problem today and we have a new person on it... he should be getting the sample chips taken care of over the next couple days. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales-31.html Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: k9quaint on July 10, 2013, 04:15:20 AM This just in from Josh: Anthony is not longer with us, which is why the sample chips have languished. I just corrected this problem today and we have a new person on it... he should be getting the sample chips taken care of over the next couple days. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales-31.html http://praag.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/empty-grave3.jpg R. I, P. Anthony. We hardly knew you. Epitaph: Don't ask Josh questions. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Beastlymac on July 16, 2013, 02:53:19 PM btt. Has anyone actually received the chips? Quote BFL_Johnathan is on the case... he's getting the sample chips sent out and everyone squared away. Sorry for the delay. We sent out about half of them yesterday and today and I think the rest will go out in the next day or two, depending on workload. According to them they have all shipped. Good luck. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: philips on July 16, 2013, 03:09:59 PM btt. Has anyone actually received the chips? I think MrTeal has, a couple of days ago. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: polarhei on July 16, 2013, 05:46:09 PM Bought BFL chips 6/11. No samples received. No word from BFL. Josh says it's the sales departments's problem. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3697-sample-chips.html Perhaps he likes to evade from this? Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 16, 2013, 06:20:14 PM Mr. Teal has received sample chips and I got an email from BFL stating more sample chips would be sent out this week.
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: MrTeal on July 16, 2013, 06:42:04 PM Yes, I received mine late last week.
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: CanaryInTheMine on July 16, 2013, 07:08:44 PM mine have shipped out. should be here in a day or two.
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 17, 2013, 09:57:44 PM I received 2 sample chips from BFL today (bulk chip order placed on 6/11/13) which I sent right out to chris99 for testing/assembly. Had great communication and prompt shipping from BFL. Looks like chip purchase from BFL may be the way to go...
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3831-board-bfl-chips-group-buy-chips.html Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: rammy2k2 on July 17, 2013, 10:51:38 PM as an update, a friend of mine got tracking of his sample chips too today
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 18, 2013, 01:19:48 AM The fact that they are shipping out sample chips in a timely fashion indicates that BFL delays are due to issues with other parts and/or assembly and not due to delays in chip production. Not that it's fair but I think BFL chip purchasers will have working clones before many of those who bought miners...
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 18, 2013, 04:48:27 AM 100 days for sufficient quantities of BFL chips to be delivered, am I not right, for production of a DIY BFL miners? That is going to be a problem given other options available right now. Seems like that is quite a risky venture.
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 18, 2013, 05:20:29 AM BFL chips went on pre-sale at about the same time as KNC's miners and Bitfury's Metabank miners. All are suppose to start shipping in September. BFL has shipped out bunches of sample chips. Bitfury has sent out a few sample chips. KNC has not provided any chip images, so we will see...
ps-chriss99 at BFL forum is quoting a price of $240 per 8 BFL chip board ($640 including chip cost). That cost per GH is equivalent to Metabank and KNCminer but BFL is the better deal because you only have to pre-pay 50% for the chips. pps-If you purchased Avalon chips back in May the cost per GH for an Avalon clone is higher than BFL but you will probably get your device at least a month earlier... Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 18, 2013, 02:09:26 PM BFL chips went on pre-sale at about the same time as KNC's miners and Bitfury's Metabank miners. All are suppose to start shipping in September. BFL has shipped out bunches of sample chips. Bitfury has sent out a few sample chips. KNC has not provided any chip images, so we will see... ps-chriss99 at BFL forum is quoting a price of $240 per 8 BFL chip board ($640 including chip cost). That cost per GH is equivalent to Metabank and KNCminer but BFL is the better deal because you only have to pre-pay 50% for the chips. pps-If you purchased Avalon chips back in May the cost per GH for an Avalon clone is higher than BFL but you will probably get your device at least a month earlier... 100 days till BFL delivers chips correct? That is pretty risky... given their past record. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Loredo on July 18, 2013, 02:37:56 PM The fact that they are shipping out sample chips in a timely fashion indicates that BFL delays are due to issues with other parts and/or assembly and not due to delays in chip production. Not that it's fair but I think BFL chip purchasers will have working clones before many of those who bought miners... Well, IIRC, they offered their queue the opportunity to convert their machine order to a chip order, right?The shitty part of that is when a company's customers don't trust anything the company does or says, then any decision the customers are asked to make they view with suspicion, and may well turn out to be wrong. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 18, 2013, 02:40:22 PM 1 0 0 days.
More than 3 months before chips in any volume delivered. Really? Forget if they are late on delivery that is a pretty long time to wait. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Loredo on July 18, 2013, 02:44:04 PM 100 days till BFL delivers chips correct? I just have a feeling about this: I think it's going to go, and pretty close to on-schedule. BFL's always had a chip that works; heat issues, etc, sure, but those aren't deal breakers. That is pretty risky... given their past record. What they never have had is the ability to produce finished product. For good reason: efficient electronic assembly is not trivial, and like any manufacturing has a steep experience curve. The reason I've been harping about BFL shipping samples wasn't to give people time to build the enablements; those aren't that big a tech deal. It was the signaling that (a) they had chips, and (b) they had intention to ship those orders. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 18, 2013, 02:46:29 PM ROI on that 100 days from now on the DIY boards being designed?
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Loredo on July 18, 2013, 02:52:38 PM ROI on that 100 days from now on the DIY boards being designed? Somebody wrote above that a guy on the BFL forum is offering finished boards "competitively with metabank and KNC." I guess I didn't know that metabank and KNC were competitive prices per GH; looking at bitfury's USA sales, it looks like a multiple between then. Anyway, I just doubt, given the history, distrust, and rancor, that the DIY effort will be as cooperative, open source, efficient, and economical as it was for the Avalons'. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 18, 2013, 03:19:10 PM Hard to say... I just think 100 days from now given what could come out in terms of new chips, even attempting to do a project with BFL chips seems a hard climb to say the least. Considering the options available right now that is pretty gutsy.
Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Loredo on July 18, 2013, 03:32:17 PM Hard to say... I just think 100 days from now given what could come out in terms of new chips, even attempting to do a project with BFL chips seems a hard climb to say the least. Considering the options available right now that is pretty gutsy. Oh, sure, I absolutely agree: Avalon is far and away the safer, and probably first to network, option right now, and maybe on-going.But if I had to bet right now, I'd bet that BFL delivers, and that there will be at least one vendor ready to solder those chips to working boards. What I wouldn't bet on is a mini "industry" as has evolved around, e.g, the Klondikes. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: Bicknellski on July 18, 2013, 03:43:25 PM You'd be wrong.
Given the Open Source Hardware teams getting their teeth into Avalon chips and the BitFury chips are the exact same footprint... I bet you are going to see a lot more things get to market that are bastardizations of Klondikes before those poor boys DIYers with BFL Chips. Heck just buy some BitFury boards they will be out well before that. Title: Re: BFL sample Chips Post by: dwdoc on July 18, 2013, 04:33:57 PM I have sent my 2 sample chips to chris99 at butterfly forum who is designing a board for BFL chips. I am interested in purchasing up to 6 additional BFL sample chips so the board (designed to hold up to 8 chips) can be fully tested.
EDIT: Attention anyone with BFL sample chips: PM me or chris99 if you would like for them to be installed for testing a new board. Also PM me if you are having trouble getting your sample chips from BFL. Board pics: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3831-board-bfl-chips-group-buy-chips-9.html#post50833 |
