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This is a group buy for the forthcoming Blade Miners from ASICMiner.  original post by friedcat is here: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204030.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204030.0

What we know so far:
According to Taobao. Chinese auction website:
- New 5 Ghash/s mini blade.  9.88 BTC.  35 watt.
- New 10 Ghash/s blade. 18.88 BTC.  70 watt.

It is guestimated that the first batches produced will sell out rather quickly.  Therefore I'm setting up a group buy to make sure we have the purchasing power and btc in hand to make a purchase as soon as they are released.

DISCLAIMER:
All pricing is preliminary and CAN change if necessary...
The manufacturer has asked me to make it clear that we do not favor any pre-orders and therefore not accepting any.
You understand that this is NOT a PRE-ORDER of any kind.  and that ASICMiner does not favor anyone.  This is just a plain 'ole group-buy.  ;D
There's no time estimate on when these will be released yet.  We all have access to same info at this point.

I am 4 miles from a MAJOR DHL hub that receives these orders from China.  My delivery times are the best.  It takes me 11 minutes to drive to DHL when necessary.   My location is in a major metropolitan area next to a LARGE international airport that is a hub for shipping for all delivery companies.  This gives me access to DHL, FedEx (also just 4 miles away, open till 9 PM for next day shipping).  I have access to several Post Offices around me.  I can ship USPS till 7 PM.
Simply put, I am in the best position geographically and logistically to receive an order and to get it out to you ASAP.  Period.

I have run at least 11 group buys for ASICMiner USB products before.  The first one completed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195647.0 The second completed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217981.0 The third completed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219422.0 and the fourth one completed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222960.0 the fifth completed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226656.0 sixth, seventh, eight, ninth and tenth can be found here on forums

Status updates:
2013-07-12: group buy for blades setup


Common Questions:
When will I receive my order? Answer: When I order with friedcat, allocate up to 4 business days for me to receive it, I ship out to you as soon as ordered inventory arrives.  info on when I order or pre-order with friedcat can be found on the thread.  this info is shared on the thread.

Next Steps:
Collect orders for ASICMiner Blades.

Please Note:
Only send payments from an address you control (i.e. you can sign with it). If you send from MtGox or other exchanges, you risk loosing your funds since you can't prove you sent them. Please send from a wallet you can sign a message with.  You will send your shipping address via this method.

Policy update:
Refunds: Your orders are binding after your funds have been used to pay for an order.  Before that (while coins are piling up for the next batch), you can ask for a refund and will get it paid back in full. Understand that after you get refunded, I will not accept future orders from you.

Folks and miners,

As announced in the ASICMINER Blade Sales (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204030.0) thread, I want to support the ordering of individual Block Erupter USBs and act as a distributor for the 50 units offered in bulk order by ASICMiner.

Product Description:
this picture is of a previous device:
https://i.imgur.com/Lqepfe3.jpg
new pictures will be posted as soon as they become available.

Pricing:

According to Taobao. Chinese auction website:
- New 5 Ghash/s mini blade.  9.88 BTC.  35 watt.
- New 10 Ghash/s blade. 18.88 BTC.  70 watt.

at the moment I'm adding .32 btc per device to handle distributions (shipping, insurance, handling etc...) this can change as necessary either up or down.
 
Ordering:

There is one common payment address: 1BywWhaLuHfoK4Hwi2ppPVRSCsxRb91cAS

To buy:

pick the number of ASICMiner Blade or mini-Blades to order: N.
send the appropriate amount C based on Pricing paragraph above.

post your order in the following format: forum_nick; N; C; sending_address; Y/N (insurance flag); mini or full blade
ensure the sending address is under your control, so you can sign with it in case of disputes

Shipment:
The ASICMiner blades miners will be shipped to you within 1 day of me receiving them.  Shipped in cardboard box, not padded envelopes...

Communication:
I live in Chicago (CST time zone: UTC/GMT -5 hours) and have a day-job that allows me ample time to devote to this endeavor. I do sleep at night, so if I don't answer at night, please be patient.  I'm pretty open and transperant with info.  I post it as soon as I have it, I do not withhold from anyone.  Please respect everyone's time.

Cheers,

Canary

Reserved

I'm selling the old Blade Model for 10.25  btc.  Lets get them in your hands ASAP!!

For volume orders 10+ contact me.

Payment address: 1BywWhaLuHfoK4Hwi2ppPVRSCsxRb91cAS

First paid, first shipped.
I expect to ship by end of next week, provided friedcat is able to meet his schedule.

Can someone planning to purchase AM blades explain their justification of the expense, given the anticipated exponential difficulty increase (see http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/ )?

I've never understood the popularity of AM hardware at these price points so any insight would be awesome.

NOW we be cooking!  I'm probably in, need to check funds.

I'm probably in for 1, pending further news on their release.

You missed a few changes in your cutting and pasting ;)   Still mentions USBs in the shipping area, etc.

I will be in for probably 2, maybe more.

Thanks for doing this Can!

Thank you for doing this.  I am definately in for 1, maybe 2.  I need to check into/understand the whole wallet signing thing.  Anyone suggest a wallet to do that from?

Is this true about the specs?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1hedyd/asicminer_has_new_blade_airoil_cooled_new_mini/

Not the thread for this discussion.

Someone on reddit pointed out those numbers are off:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1i2w63/latest_shipment_of_avalon_asics_could_increase/cb0lbqm

I'm somewhat interested in these, but I'm worried about the price per GH/s.  It's a substantial markup over what other group buys and shares are offering. The only way these would make sense to me is if the group buy is aiming to have the blades in the users' hands before the end of July, or at most in mid-August.  If this is for indeterminate future delivery, then much better values are available.  So I guess my question is, what's the time frame for delivery on these?

Same question, any estimates? I might be interested in 1 or 2 of mini blades.

wrong thread!  this thread is for a group buy for the upcoming ASICMiner blades... not Avalon!

I'm thinking of getting a blade or two, but Vicyd was asking why anyone would buy them for that price given that we are on the verge of a 500% difficulty increase based upon that article about avalon shipments, my response was to clarify that the article is wrong, and people who want to buy the blade should not worry about this.

I would have thought my response would have been fine unless you don't want people to order blades after reading that article?

would you mind keeping this thread on topic to it's intent as a group buy for the blades?
you are free to discuss your questions on other threads on these forums, which are numerous for the topic you raise.
thanks!

Okay, I'll also find another place to buy blades from too.

thanks for catching! fixed

No problem. Do it at work all the time!  :)

i'm very interested in your group buy as i rather dread having spend the next two weeks glued to my computer so i can jump on a blade when they get released. however i have to say i would feel more confident if escrow were involved. Is this a possibility? I would be willing to pay escrow fees

I'll probably be in on at least a mini

Look at group buys Canary is the man on USB's from group buys.   No need for escrow in this case... look in group buys.  So just order and sleep well :).

;D
This too: http://eligius.st/~gateway/products/block-erupter-sapphire

Hi
Would you ship to the UK?
I noticed some of you other GB's are US only
Thank you

 :)

no more details have been released... we're all waiting

I'd be down for 2 of the 10Gh and 2 of the 5Gh blades myself.

Friedcat when's the announcement? :) ??

I'm holding out for a few of these also. Though I think we may need to see a price cut because of the current profitability outlook = not good at current price.

AM is the only company that delivers fast.

Buy 2 blades pay 37-38btc sell one on ebay for 30-32 btc . check the ebay price on a 10gh blade

 keep the other one at a cost of 5- 7 btc .

I do this with the asic sticks I purchased from the op about 36 usb sticks

 He ships the sticks quickly
 I  sold about 14 on ebay
thus making the 22 I kept a good price.


-----check ebay prices on sticks. Many of us buy from canary-i-t-m and sell some to ebay buyers


back to the topic

To canary-i-t-m i would consider buying 2 small ones. I am trying to round up the coins. best regards phil

lame... still no announcement. at this point 10 ghs in block erupters (10,000/330=30 BE) @ .55 = 16.5 is cheaper than a blade... due for a price drop even before first announcement!!

 :)

the hub and pc arnt the problem he has a point. U can get more hashing cheaper already..

I doubt Canaryinthemine is interested in dealing with Escrow. He has sold 10.000+ USB Eruptors already without a single complaint. Pretty sure you can trust him with 10-20 BTC..

I'm thrilled to see new ASIC products but I'm unsure about the merits of the blades over the Eruptors.

a 10GH/s = 32 Eruptors

So basically buying a blade is more expensice than the same hash power bought with Eruptors.

What are the benefits of the blade

Power consumption? stand alone solution?

we don't yet know how much the blades will be...

Just an FYI for comparison:
15 Block Erupters = 7.2BTC, 5.04 GH/s (plus USB hubs)

30 Block Erupters = 14.4BTC, 10.08 GH/s (plus USB hubs)

+ computer
or
+ Rpi and compatible USB hubs

My feeling is the Blades will be a lot cheaper than the Eruptor combination. Maybe a little more energy efficient too.

not going to happen.  ASICMiner will not miss-price its products to gut one line over another.  both product lines should have similar pricing in the long run..

Hopefully the price will come in around .5 BTC/ 1GH. That's the magic number.

the BE have expensive packaging for 1 asic... the colored finish, mounting on usb stick. and retail packaging. i would assume his cost is close to $5-10 and with the next price drop it wont be heavily profitable to keep selling these much lower than .2btc. on a side note no wonder why asicminer dividends were so high selling these at 1.99BTC with a production cost of .05 - .1BTC

whereas the blades they slam 30-32 asics on a board the cost per asic vs BE is probably 30-40% cheaper production wise and historically the larger units HAVE to be cheaper Hash per $ than smaller units.

my original point was that blades were supposed to be announced 7/10 and due to the delays and BE price drops there will HAVE to be a price drop from the announced price of 9.88/18.88BTC before the first one is even delivered!


one last point is due to the BE drops suddenly undelivered Avalon chips (unmounted bare chips @ $7-9USD) which are slower than BE are going to be too expensive... asicminer is gonna cause a lot of heartburn with avalon and BFL preorders.

Many folks might not think this is a good comparison since BFL is having problems with fulfillment... but their 7 Gh/s unit is $408 with shipping. The ones I have are running right at 8 Gh/s... so that is a good cost standard to consider. In the coming months devices will have to be at least at that price point to be competitive.

to be fair and compare orange with orange, you need to compare prices of products that if you were buying them today, you would receive it no latter than next week.

Comparing the price tag of a product available now with one that god knows when you will receive between next month and next year if ever isn't fair, IMO.

Sure, you can also add in bitfury blades at 52 dollars/GHS with their smallest starter kit.

 :)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270573.0

I'm selling the old Blade Model for 10.25  btc.  Lets get them in your hands ASAP!!

For volume orders 10+ contact me.

Payment address: 1BywWhaLuHfoK4Hwi2ppPVRSCsxRb91cAS

First paid, first shipped.
I expect to ship by end of next week, provided friedcat is able to meet his schedule.

Do you have any info on the price and specs of the new blades?

New blades are slated for aug 18-25...
For now we have the current model blades

if you are involved with bitcoin I'm pretty sure you already have a computer.  Also unless you believe a pound of apples should cost more per apple then each one separately, the blade should be cheaper but knowing the strange and magical unicorn world of bitcoin and asic it wouldn't surprise me if it will not.