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According to https://ethgasstation.info/predictionTable.php the 99% Confidence Confirm Time is the same for 0 Gwei and 0.1 Gwei gas price. Can you send your transaction with a zero gas price or will you get an error?

lol until you are old you do not accept your ETH. if you want fast and not too expensive you can use gas price 41 gwei this is minimal and delicious in my opinion

Just try to sent some shit tokens with zero gasprice and let us know that it's success transfer or error , I never do this because i scare with error message and don't know what will happen

You can override your transaction with a new one with a higher gas price. When you check the gas prices on https://ethgasstation.info/, the safe low always works.

Since nobody posted an answer I will test this when the network load is low.

This was not the question. I asked explicitly for a zero gasprice transcation. The minimal gas price for a fast transaction is also not always 41 gwei, the more transactions you have the more people will pay and therefor you have sites like https://ethgasstation.info/

I think you cannot, based on my experience since I also asked the same question and tried testing this myself. The Ethereum call code assigns a non-zero value, so even if you send zero Ether to another account, it costs min gas of 21000, at least on MyEtherWallet. Contracts on Ethereum network have to be confirmed by miners and you have to pay for it, this is different from Bitcoin blockchain. If you don't have enough gas, you won't even be able to execute.

Anyone can share any experience with a different wallet?

Before the Crypto Kitties put the blockchain down, almost all transactions with 0.1 gwei were successful. Now it's not possible to sent tokens or ETH with such low price, as you'll immediately will get an error: "Transaction underpriced" and you'll just spend your ETH for  gas.

Thank you for the detailed answer.


Which wallet do you use? I didn't get this message. I broadcasted with MEW. Initially the transaction didn't work, only after I resent it with higher gas.

Technically it is possible. If there won't be a queue of transactions in a pool your transaction could be processed. But now the transaction pool is around 14k so it's totally impossible to make any tx with the zero gas price.

You need min. 21000 but look here on this page about the gasprice from ethereum : https://ethgasstation.info/

i think you can not do that because that will show it you as an error but it does not cost you too much that is a personal experience.

Thanks for this link. This resource explains a lot about gas price. It's a pity I didn't know about it when everyone was playing cats

If you wait for midnight the gas prices are almost under 10. Just always take a look on this site :)

I think that no...eth transaction need some gas if you put 0 in gas price i think tx will not send

This, people do not undertstand that they are running with a huge risk everytime that they try to send transaction without fees.

Everytime that you look into an ICO smart contract (on their Eth wallet) There are two transactions every ten of them who are with a red cross in there, it means that they put a low fee in there.

And they will probably never get it confirmed, or maybe in a few days or weeks.

The same happens with Bitcoin transactions, why the hell do you think that you need to pay more than forty dollars to see your transaction going through?

It will never be delivered to the receiver's wallet address. The gas price to attract the miner mining your block and then that makes your transaction will get verified ot validated by the network. If you are not putting anything and your transaction will be stuck on the network mate.

now its not possible to send tokens or ETH with such low price as you will immediately will get error.

By default we use 21000 gas in myetherwallet when sending ethereum or tokens to other wallets but it's not working like before for last few weeks because of Pressure on Ether platform, i think. But, I get a successful transaction by using below configuration here:
Gas Limit: 31000
Gas Used By Txn: 21000
Gas Price: 0.000000041 Ether (41 Gwei)
So, Send ETH with zero gas price is now a dream only.

I haven't tried yet that kind of experiment but for me, I think you cannot send ether with zero gas price because I think it was the payment for transactions so you cannot deliver anything if you did not pay. If you have a car and you wanted to go to somewhere, you need gas, just like sending ether to another wallet. You cannot make transactions in the blockchain without any payment so for me it is better use the default gas price to make a proper transactions. If you wanted to try sending ether using zero gas price, please inform us what happen so we will have more knowledge about this transaction.

When crypto kittens appeared, I had several transactions that were suspended due to a small gas price. At that time, I did not understand what was happening.
So if you do not want to wait until your old transaction, then put a non-zero gas price.

Can you drive your car without gas? Obviously no then how can you send ether without a gas fees lol.

I also do not know, for now I am only collecting ETH and tokens, but I have never actually tried to send it somewhere, but I suppose that the service will just not let you to provide the operation and that's it.

Not possible mate,you need to gas up your ethereum transactions to speed it up.

We cannot send ether without gas due  every transactions by sending / selling coins had a fee.

the answer in simple words is no. ethereum network runs with gas so little bit of gas is always needed to move the tokens. if you have zero eth in your wallet then you cannot move your tokens..

Midnight in which time zone?

Will the non-gasoline car work in it? Does the uncharged phone turn on?
This is what they look like. It is not possible at the moment to do such a thing.

No, I'd say. There's no free ride.

Now send the etherium with zero gasprice has become more real. When crypto kittens only appeared, I thought that this could not be done any more.

I think! you must have gas price to make  transaction
But you can You can choose the one that suits your needs.

If you want to get the safest gas price to process your transaction then check https://www.ethgasstation.info/

currently now the safest gas price is 4.

It will give you the suitable price by checking ETH network.

Zero gas means NO sending of Ethereum. Ethereum network works with the gas so a little bit of gas is always required to move the tokens. You must have some Ethereum in your wallet, if you have zero Ethereum in your wallet thenn you can't move your tokens. Simple is that.

It is excellent that the ethereum network recovered after the attack of crypto kittens. Now the gasprice for the transfer is again quite small. But of course the gasprice can not be zero.

no because GAS is the reward that miners get for elaborate your transactions.
If you were a miner, who spent thousand dollars for minig equipment, would you work gratis? =D

certainly you can't send ethereum with zero fees.
I never try use zero fee but I think your transaction will never deliver or you just get error sign.

It is not possible because every ether transaction requires a minimum gas price to execute the transaction otherwise how miners recover their expenses and earn. It cannot be zero maybe it is high or low at different times but never at zero fee.

You can't do that because many pending transaction are waiting and exactly with the high gas.
so the safest ways are put the gas as much you have. but the min gas can be put 0,5 gwei.
and you will take a risk with the very long time for issued.

In my opinion, it is better to increase the gas price and accelerate the execution time of the transaction. This is a small payment for peace of mind, you do not have to worry about the long execution of the transaction.

if I sent tokens and there was not enough gas, then I was shown an error, I do not think that a gas equal to 0 is possible even with a low network load

I am curious about this, why don´t you make a trial and let us know the result. Just send 0.0001 eth and see what happens with the transaction on etherscan or any similar chain explorer.

if you are a pool owner i can say that yes , you can do this with 0 fee

just add your trade in your mining block , but if not , you will never send your coin with 0 fee 

ether now network fee is so high.

So, let´s say that I solomine because I own 2000 AMD 480. Would I be able so send ether at zero fee then? Can the owner of a pool actually include a transaction of their own?

This is impossible to do. The commission, although small, but should be. This is not a lightning network.  :D

Yes, at the moment, it's impossible to send ethereum without commission. But it seems to me that eventually ethereum will have a similar lightning network as bitcoin.  :)

That is not possible as far as ethereum is concern i only heard not quite long that neo could be sent without any gas. Don't know how through it is might be wrong though.

in my opinion can not send eth with zero gas. at least 4 gas gwei if gas gwei again stable but can use between 30 to 40 gwei for faster transactions.

Thank you for that many replies.

This is more a theoretical question. Could also be on the testnet. So for example, if I create my own testnet would it be possible to send with zero gas price?

Wow, how it's even possible?? ???
https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe7c0a156323db4ab0004e17d38117b326363e812424e67f4f200e3b2f852ef45
https://etherscan.io/tx/0xa81553fc34f15576e0a7b76aba4833bf91781cea7adce626e46d3af44039db88
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x36103a7030c0d213f7fe61697cf4b8cb2c78c82d1ef98ebb480fd828a1e599c5
https://etherscan.io/tx/0xd4846d240e3ffd62688850b92d6e0f585a57572bf2461d6f37f9a4f4c116cf1d
Seems to be someone can send 0 cost ETH transactions with 0 GWEI price. Very interesting, any thoughts?

Smile 😃, if I may ask you this question too. Can you power your generator without Gas? The answer is no. Moreover, you should have try it before coming to ask here. Seen is absolutely believing. If you practicalise, you would get the the appropriate answer to the question.
I recommend 41 GWEI as I do use for my transaction
 Good day

I saw an Eth transaction with zero fee. I was looking for the answer how to do that.

The automated in sending tokens or ether using MyetherWallet is 41 gwei but if you don't have enough ether balance to cover that gas price then you can minimized it up to 1 gwei but always keep in mind that the lower the gas price, the lower the transaction process. In case of zero gwei, i think it is not suitable for sending tokens or ether to another address using MEW.

With zero I would not risk it, in fact I would consider that it would be a bug in the Ethereum platform if 0 fee transactions were allowed, as the net would potentially collapse on a DoS attack. With 0.1 it is perfectly feasible as the blocks are not filled 90% of the times and anyway most transactions are not really urgent at all. Just common sense: Try first with a tiny amount and let us know.

I think it will get error because before when i was trading my coin my balance is also .01 but it refer for much higher balance for gas price. It always requires for gas price avery transaction in etherscan.

There is no way you will send ether without paying the fees. Sometimes I have wanted to do this but it's just not possible. You have to pay the fees to it seems t by e service. Your only option is reducing the transaction fees

Why risk your nerves and time? I always put the price for a transaction a little more expensive than the average price. I save time and nerves. Is this a bad investment?

it is depends on the network. even if you use 2 gas to send ether or tokens,
the transaction can be failed sometimes because of the network congestion.

I don't think it will work.
Because you can't transfer eth without paying a fee.

As long as we are earning in crypto business, all transactions that we are going to transact are probably needs payments, like also on sending ether or any transactions that undergo with ether are having gasprice.

It is possible to send  transaction with 0 GWEI even in MEW and I think this transaction will be successful only, when amount of pending transactions pool is very very low.

You can not send your ether with zero gas price the least i used was 21000 and 2gwei for ethereum transaction as far as other erc20 tokens are concern it require more gas for your transaction to be successful.

I am currently testing it. Currently the required gas price is really low according to ethgasstation.info.

Broadcasting
I was able to create a transaction with a zero gas price and could broadcast it to the network. The current status is 'pending' - waiting to be mined.

https://i.imgur.com/h9gfLBy.png

I will wait one day and then check again if it was mined or not, but the answer is definitely that it is theoretical possible to send transactions with a zero gas price. You need only to find a node who processes it.

I was just curious how the person made the 0 transaction fee.

I think you need your own node so that you can add your transactions. I managed to broadcast a zero fee transaction, but until today it wasn't mined.

Asking if you can send ETH with 0 gas price is basically like asking if you can drive a car with no petrol,it's just impossible.. Gas is what powers transactions in the Ethereum network and it is a fundamental need when you want to push a transaction in the blockchain.

I think that this will not be possible, in any case, you need to give something as a commission, because the reward to the miners is still needed, and without it no one will work out this transaction, as far as I know, ethereum does not have any pendulous transactions like bitcoins.

That transaction could possibly be pending until the last day of people's existence. That's impossible to send with a zero gas price. It's just like drinking from an empty glass.

No miner wants to process your tx for free basically.

Different wallet has option to set custom fees, it can set even to zero gas, but i worried if that coin will not arriving success.
But i have one experience when sending some Eth and set with very low gas about 3000, after waiting few days, the transaction was being unsuccessful and balance return to my wallet with tx reason are less gas cost to complete this transaction.

No. It is not possible. Because basically gas is like a transaction fee. Its what miners get for making transactions go through. Without that your transactions will not be confirmed. I tried doing that using mew bht it said something like not enough gas to process transaction.

Before the Crypto Kitties put the blockchain down, almost all transactions with 0.1 gwei were successful. Now it's not possible to sent tokens or ETH with such low price, as you'll immediately will get an error: "Transaction underpriced" and you'll just spend your ETH for  gas.

I also think so and completely agree with you, because if there is a transaction, that is the translation of some tokens, then a commission in the form of gas is absolutely necessary, and free shipping I think it is impossible.

All "0" the price of gas never stevio seems to me not to pass a transaction... And so the minimum of "4" put the price of gas, the transaction took place without any problems and the price of the transaction was very small

Well, i think it will not go through or will receive an error. I even tried sending eth at minimum gas price of 41 and it still gives me an errorr, how much more zero. The error said that its not enough gas price because of the load of transactions pending at that very hour. Its not always like that, it just depends on the traffic. It advises to check https://ethgasstation.info for the gas price that will allow your transaction to go through.

I think you can't send eth with 0 Gwei. gas is the payment for transaction. without it no miners will mine your transaction. better put 4gwei safe and low fees.

I agree. This is exactly what my friend told to me, although I haven't tried it out yet. I have a few successful transactions to my wallet with very low GWEI (2 to 3), but constant gas (21,000).

actually that is a foolish comparison!
a car requires gas/petrol and without it the car won't run. but a transaction is processed by a miner and the miner can choose to ask for gas/fee or do it for free. in other words it IS possible to send a transaction with 0 gas and even have it confirmed.
in fact if you read the topic before posting you can see someone posted the link to a bunch of transactions that have been confirmed with 0 gas https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2554655.msg34048631#msg34048631

I just do with a zero gas price when I transfer ETH from one Myetherwallet to another Myetherwallet. It also needs a few time to wait. Will not be immediately when you use a little Gwei

Without gwei, you will not succeed, as it is necessary for conducting transactions.

I can see the way to send 0ETH to get the airdrop in the near future, but I think it should be that you don’t send your trade at zero gasoline price, because the miners package the transaction is to charge, which is obviously not in line with common sense.

To those who said it's IMPOSSIBLE to make a transaction without gas or 0 gwei. Say hellp to this wallet. The owner has been stealing erc20 tokens with gas set to 0. What can you say to these examples? I'm guessing the owner mined his/her own transactions? I would really love to find out how he/she did it.

Example 1: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xc1e673c4aff3ffbedeec0453ded0289e2d36313bb498ff1b6607524107546c16

Example 2: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x91e635faa658880f6885b19aee22a56de1a3db5e96890fb2c9f33c965689996f

Example 3: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x7f62f608e8e0e52b8b2706e3612725480e02d71aebbd6434b3a01b08a455f453

Example 4: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb14b99ab46f529f4046e9f6368c4e08138f133b3aef3972a7b36da3d399c1d5f

Example 5: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xcbada06b02a96e1585e72ac74545d882f3e8dd90f9e9e51e044c300c8e588cee

No one said it is possible but the thing is that the transactions that are being made with gwei will be mined first before yours so you would have to wait for a while for your transaction to confirm. We all know that the higher the gas price then the faster the transaction time. You can send ether from one myetherwallet to another without using gas.

I think no, because the gas price is part of the charges that they imposed, as long there is a service that involve with them,
the charge will always incurred and bare with your investment.

I really do not know. I have been doing my research on this lately, and from what I have read or seen, it is possible for you to do your ethereum transactions with zero gas price, just that it might take it little longer time to process.

Of course not, I believe it can’t send ether at zero gas prices because it is a payments or charges that occurred to your investments
because of the service that address with you or involve.

I think if you want to confirm your transaction, you need at least 3Gwei.
Because there are still many people using ETH at present, if you use 1Gwei, it may take a month to confirm.