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Will the 'big money' of investors be spent 'betting' on Bitcoin prices, and not actually invested in Bitcoin in the future?  Could this be the begining of the end for this 'speculative bubble' that we seem to be in at the moment?

Maybe we won't see the price of Bitcoin continually rising in 2018 as it did in 2017...?

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Not really. Futures must be cash settled, which means all these "too big too fail" corporations betting on it and losing would need to print a lot of extra money. This could lead to wall street destroying itself it they are too stupid about things. I don't see why people are scared about Futures. It's just more FUD. Also there's the issue with forks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7TtwckPCUI

TLDR: Futures are actually bullish. They can't short Bitcoin and get away with it with no loses.

so Pereira4 - do you think Futures could lead to an increase in Bitcoin price over the coming weeks?

Futures will for sure increase the price of bitcoins in the upcoming week, obviously without a doubt the price is gonna sky rocket since a lot of investment is gonna come flowing in and thus the demand and supply rule will come into play, also futures can increase the price of bitcoins for a short while only after that the bitcoins will be out there in the market within a big bubble that could bolw anytime because now it will be regulated by the Companies and thus may create a future that's so ^tulip^ for the bitcoins and thus it can negatively affect everything when we think for the larger time scale, they could end the bubble anytime they want by selling off a lots of shares and thus creating a mass deficit.

Cliched I know but I’d say it’s just the end of the beginning. Buckle up!

And here it goes, the same question that has been answered thousands of times on the past, sure that you are the first one, congratulations.


nothing is going to happen to bitcoin today, there are only a few hours left to see it happening, has something happened to the price?

yes, it went down yesterday, but now it is at $15,5k each bitcoin, do you really think that this price is down?

dont worry, everything is going to be fine, it is just matter of time until we break another all time high again.

To make the price fall, they need to actually buy bitcoins and short them. But the investors who buys futures contracts are not buying bitcoins, they are buying a contract. Now, the fund who is selling the contract might buy bitcoin in case the investor wants the real product in the end, instead of cash.

The issue is when the operation is inverted, because its possible to sell a bitcoin which you dont have as well. They have been doing that for years with stocks: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-09/crypto-cornucopia-part-4-without-it-youre-talking-mad-max that why theres FUD over it.

I don't understand this logic. If Bitcoin is to go mainstream, cash-settled futures markets are to be expected. For all we know, Wall Street institutions want to short the futures market to the ground. But they could easily fail; retail demand could simply run them over. Covered shorts on the futures market won't drive spot prices down.

And if they really want to drive the price down, they need to drive the price down on the underlying spot markets. Institutions won't expose themselves to that kind of counterparty risk. So they can't really manipulate the spot markets. As long as retail demand remains, the uptrend will continue.

No, I am sure, that futures will not affect the Bitcoin price, because it is like betting with no real trading. But I fear, that governments will soon try to regulate Bitcoin trades and take more influence because of the additional popularity through the Bitcoin futures. Maybe there will be some little up- and downmovements, caused by publicity predictions.

It will be applied to the companies that were feeling doubt with the legalism of the bitcoin. The bitcoin futures become the alternative contract for them all to play with the crypto. but remember the futures contract is not giving anything to the bitcoin. the more speculators will come from there.

Tulips didnt crash until one year after futures were launched, so we have about a year I guess.

Sombebody seems to be extremely salty here. :D
Dude this is pretty lame FUD.
Try something else maybe?!
Everybody knows the tulip comparison is totally nonsense. Do some proper research and even you should be able to realize that.
However if it helps you to be that bitter cause of having missed that BTC train I'm fine with that  :D

it is tough to say really but things are just getting started. the futures are not the way people buy and end up hoarding bitcoin, the actual markets are. people are literary pouring into exchanges such as Coinbase and Gemeni to buy bitcoin. these exchange servers are having a tough time even handling this increase in demand all of a sudden.

the "big money" that you are talking about is big but it is not bigger than the total money coming from millions of people and coming from "all around the world". that "big money" of yours is so centralized and in one place.

There are already results of first trading day of Bitcoin futures on CBOE:
http://cfe.cboe.com/cfe-products/xbt-cboe-bitcoin-futures

Symbol   Expiration           Last           Change   High           Low           Settlement Volume
XBT/F8   01/17/2018   17500.00   +2040.00   18850.00   15420.00   15460.00   2794
XBT/G8   02/14/2018   18000.00   0.0           19140.00   18000.00   18000.00   14
XBT/H8   03/14/2018   18000.00   +1570.00   19330.00   14710.00   16430.00   50

So February(G8) and March(H8) contract prices are higher than January(F8).
And total volume is ~3000BTC which much lower than volume on BitMex.

looks like there are too many buy orders on futures trading. I checked and people buyin for January 2018 contratcs around price 18.000$
So we will not see below 18.000$ by the end of 2017

true.
it is the beginning of the end for all those who haven't invested in bitcoin already and all those who were spreading FUD about bitcoin instead of pulling their head out of the sand.
it also is the beginning of the end for the banks and their outdated systems.

Well far from going short, the opening of futures on the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE) has made the price jump back up by 17%.

I think lots of people who badly want some bitcoin action but don't want the hassle of dealing with unregulated exchanges are piling in. The only problem is that these futures are five week futures, so in about 5 weeks time, some people are going to see losses!

These are all speculative theory and we can not see what will really happens in the future, we can just all say that 2018 is not gonna become bullish, but we can really have different opinion in what bitcoin may head, and in my opinion because banks are now engaging with bitcoin right now and a lot of forks are heading our way let's just say that bitcoin will still be bullish in the year 2018.

The end of the banking system began in 2008. I think that bitcoin is not by chance appeared at this time. People were convinced that the current economic system is leading us to a standstill. Therefore, the popularity of bitcoin is growing so rapidly. Now a lot of talk about futures, but I am sure that they are or not, the price of bitcoin will only grow.

This is more like the beginning of the middle. The end of the beginning occurred this year when Bitcoin finally moved out from being a novelty and starting moving to becoming a new asset class. Wall St getting in means eventually they'll start investing directly in Bitcoin, so this is the beginning of the middle - the mainstream rise from mere low 5-digit prices to well into the 6-digits over the next few years.

Bitcoin has begun to gain trust from various parties. We all have seen that there is now a breakthrough and a very high increase going on the price of Bitcoin. I've used it by buying some Bitcoin to make an investment, I'm sure what I'm doing is right. This is an opportunity to gain a much better life.

Hahahaha! Not funny!! This is not tulip bro. There is a lot to bitcoin than it just being a tulip. I am just hoping the LN solves the whole scaling issue and it is adopted and then we start seeing real life usage and a huge demand for bitcoin, then we will end up knowing that this is not a bubble driven value. If you are waiting for a crash, then you better just be ready to tell your kids why you did not buy in now when everyone was busy saving up for their future.

yeah anyone who mentions the word tulips when talking about bitcoin you can just immediately tune out. If someone can't tell the difference between a flower and a revolutionary technology then they are not worth listening to.

I think price bitcoin will be increase $20000 in 2018

In that case, you can wipe out 75% of the population. Bitcoin according these people is either a tulip bulb bubble, or an internet boom bubble. I have seen plenty of lengthy articles describing the similarities between Bitcoin and a tech company not making any profits, but still attracting billions in capital during the internet boom bubble. It's insane how some people don't manage to think further than what they have in their mind already. Funny thing however is that something such as Bitcoin that according to them is nothing more than a hype based on absolutely nothing, is still worthy enough for them to report about. They are either governmental shills or just bitter that they aren't part of this revolution due to their stupidity and ignorance.

I doubt it will be the beginning of the end, i find it will be another chapter in the acceptance of bitcoin, there will be a huge acceptance for cryptocurrency and not only that bitcoin will be recognized, other altcoins will be noticed as well and it may be the start of fiat's fall, though a lot will still be bad mouthing cryptocurrency, bitcoin will only show how dominant it could be.

Things are really just getting started. We cannot say how this whole thing will end but rather than going around raising unnecessary FUDs, I would rather be optimistic and see how this will end. I always remember one thing with bitcoin, the stronger hands always win while the weaker hands always live up to regret it and for those calling bitcoin tulips, I am sure they really have no idea about bitcoin.

Haha right to the point buckle up for more pumps although OP dont realize it well all the bitcoins value up until was incredibly huge in a short time and i should say a world record for the largest currency pump on a day with over $1000+. Correction has been implemented so Another buckle up for the fork and expecting good flow of value.

The truth is no one can know if bitcoin price would keep increasing in the long run, but one thing for sure is that CME futures will not be the cause for a huge decline in price and with mass adoption that we will end up having in the long run.

I would better be ready for a huge increase in value. All these happenings are bringing bitcoin to the mainstream and we both know what that means.

Those guys should be ready for what is going to hit them pretty soon. This is not going to end up being the normal game they have always been playing and in the long run, they will get to see that the crypto space is a totally different ball game. I would not be worried about the CME futures since it won't have a major effect on the price of bitcoin and even if they want to influence some manipulations, I would really want to see how that is going to happen.

It will go above than 20k in next year 20k will happen in the next week and I am sure that you will see it soon prices are nearly to the 17k and all this will continue now and bitcoin has become unstoppable now and all this will happen in future that bitcoin will become more precious than anything in this world and currently it has taken over the top of investment list and soon it will be alone in the currency list by kicking out others,

Yes bitcoin future will not bring new money into bitcoin ecosystem directly but the one who will bet on bitcoin price to go up might use some of their his/own money to buy some real bitcoin to pump it and vice versa when he bet on price to go down.

I don't know at which direction price will head but bitcoin future will just add more volatility to already volatile bitcoin market.

The future trading does not have anything to do directly with the bitcoin market and whatever you are seeing are basically bets. I would not be too pessimistic though. I am very sure we are even going to see a bull run very soon and then, most of these guys will know that the crypto market is just a different one they can tamper with even if that is their aim.

Bitcoin will stay up bitcoin ah suffered through many situation before reaching up to these values and I am really thinking about the future that now bitcoin path has become hurdle free and people are accepting and investing into bitcoin without any fear and in return bitcoin is giving them huge profit as well so I don’t think this will end, it was made to hold worlds under its feathers and now it is doing the same thing,

This is just begining of begining. After few years they are going to add ethereum then ripple etc. etc.
world is changing the way to crypto. thats it.