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Title: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: mastadonballs on July 15, 2013, 09:40:39 PM so ypool.net offers pooled cpu mining with their client.
I'm testing the waters and it seems to work and submit shares... but i don't think the miner client is as efficient as the hp4 release by mikaelh. Anyone try this mining pool? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: vingaard on July 15, 2013, 10:14:42 PM I've started with this pool right now... ;)
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: alexxy on July 15, 2013, 10:16:13 PM It dont have linux client at all. And source code of windows client is non portable
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: funnow on July 19, 2013, 12:02:08 PM I have tried yesterday, but with the primeminer 0.2.4 version I'm getting more rejected share than accepted. So I think is still lot to do.
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Tripjammer on July 19, 2013, 05:42:25 PM I have tried yesterday, but with the primeminer 0.2.4 version I'm getting more rejected share than accepted. So I think is still lot to do. Where is version 0.2.4? I thought it was 0.2.1? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: erk on July 19, 2013, 08:48:08 PM I have tried yesterday, but with the primeminer 0.2.4 version I'm getting more rejected share than accepted. So I think is still lot to do. Where is version 0.2.4? I thought it was 0.2.1? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: bbxx on July 19, 2013, 08:50:22 PM i was mining on i5 3570k 12hours. 1.15xpm as result total.
switched to solo, got one block within same time. i wrote to support to lower payment treshold, no success ~ 230 users x <2xpm ~200 xpm :) so 100% donation from me. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Koooooj on July 19, 2013, 09:40:09 PM The miner for ypool can never match the efficiency of a solo miner, and it certainly can't compete with mikaelh's most recent builds. This is because in pooled mining (at least ypool's implementation of it) the miners are paid to produce blocks of a lower-than-network difficulty, as in Bitcoin. This is not a problem in Bitcoin since you can't look for low difficulty shares without looking for high difficulty shares at the same time.
However, in Primecoin it is very possible to tune ones search for shorter chains. For example if, after the sieve, you find a collection of 7 numbers that are in the form of a chain (e.g. H-1, 2H-1, 4H-1, 8H-1...) but the number on either side of the chain was proven to be composite then you should not waste time with an expensive primality test on any of the numbers--it will never be a valid share when the network difficulty is 8 or higher. However, if miners are paid to produce shares of difficulty 7 then they should check this chain. There are a few resolutions to this dilemma. One possibility is that everyone checks all chains that aren't long enough to be network shares but could still be pool shares. This is fair for everyone--nobody has an advantage over anyone else--but it means that fewer blocks are generated overall (everyone is wasting time that doesn't benefit the network). Another possibility is that some people ignore the shorter chains, while others check all chains. This gives an unfair advantage to the people checking the shorter chains--they will produce fewer valid blocks for the pool this way while producing more shares and taking a larger cut of the profits. The final option is if everyone only checks the longer chains while ignoring the shorter ones. This is the solution that gives the highest average payout and is the one that ypool is trying for, but it has the problem that if anyone wants to increase their payout they just have to change a couple lines of code and suddenly they can start taking a higher payout. This is a classic case of the Tragedy of the Commons. I have explained this attack in detail to (who I think were) the operators of ypool and they have continued to operate. The only case where mining with them is a wise decision is if you are so averse to variance that you are willing to take an enormous cut to your profits (e.g. 50% or more) in exchange for a more regular payout. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: TheSwede75 on July 19, 2013, 10:14:48 PM Tried it for 24 hours with 8k ppm and got 0.8 immature coins. Pooled mining? More like highway robbery alpha pool..
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Kyune on July 19, 2013, 10:59:11 PM The miner for ypool can never match the efficiency of a solo miner, and it certainly can't compete with mikaelh's most recent builds. This is because in pooled mining (at least ypool's implementation of it) the miners are paid to produce blocks of a lower-than-network difficulty, as in Bitcoin. This is not a problem in Bitcoin since you can't look for low difficulty shares without looking for high difficulty shares at the same time. Fascinating. So do you think primecoin is going to end up fundamentally incompatible with pooled mining simply because of the nature of the computational work being done for the coin, or are the problems that you have outlined likely only specific to ypool's implementation and solvable by a different and creative approach to parceling out work to pool participants?However, in Primecoin it is very possible to tune ones search for shorter chains. For example if, after the sieve, you find a collection of 7 numbers that are in the form of a chain (e.g. H-1, 2H-1, 4H-1, 8H-1...) but the number on either side of the chain was proven to be composite then you should not waste time with an expensive primality test on any of the numbers--it will never be a valid share when the network difficulty is 8 or higher. However, if miners are paid to produce shares of difficulty 7 then they should check this chain. There are a few resolutions to this dilemma. One possibility is that everyone checks all chains that aren't long enough to be network shares but could still be pool shares. This is fair for everyone--nobody has an advantage over anyone else--but it means that fewer blocks are generated overall (everyone is wasting time that doesn't benefit the network). Another possibility is that some people ignore the shorter chains, while others check all chains. This gives an unfair advantage to the people checking the shorter chains--they will produce fewer valid blocks for the pool this way while producing more shares and taking a larger cut of the profits. The final option is if everyone only checks the longer chains while ignoring the shorter ones. This is the solution that gives the highest average payout and is the one that ypool is trying for, but it has the problem that if anyone wants to increase their payout they just have to change a couple lines of code and suddenly they can start taking a higher payout. This is a classic case of the Tragedy of the Commons. I have explained this attack in detail to (who I think were) the operators of ypool and they have continued to operate. The only case where mining with them is a wise decision is if you are so averse to variance that you are willing to take an enormous cut to your profits (e.g. 50% or more) in exchange for a more regular payout. If primecoin ultimately became a coin that was considered optimal to GPU mine, but significantly suboptimal to pool mine, that would make it quite the unusual coin, and would leave small miners with no escape from high variance. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: craslovell on July 19, 2013, 11:08:00 PM The miner for ypool can never match the efficiency of a solo miner, and it certainly can't compete with mikaelh's most recent builds. This is because in pooled mining (at least ypool's implementation of it) the miners are paid to produce blocks of a lower-than-network difficulty, as in Bitcoin. This is not a problem in Bitcoin since you can't look for low difficulty shares without looking for high difficulty shares at the same time. Fascinating. So do you think primecoin is going to end up fundamentally incompatible with pooled mining simply because of the nature of the computational work being done for the coin, or are the problems that you have outlined likely only specific to ypool's implementation and solvable by a different and creative approach to parceling out work to pool participants?However, in Primecoin it is very possible to tune ones search for shorter chains. For example if, after the sieve, you find a collection of 7 numbers that are in the form of a chain (e.g. H-1, 2H-1, 4H-1, 8H-1...) but the number on either side of the chain was proven to be composite then you should not waste time with an expensive primality test on any of the numbers--it will never be a valid share when the network difficulty is 8 or higher. However, if miners are paid to produce shares of difficulty 7 then they should check this chain. There are a few resolutions to this dilemma. One possibility is that everyone checks all chains that aren't long enough to be network shares but could still be pool shares. This is fair for everyone--nobody has an advantage over anyone else--but it means that fewer blocks are generated overall (everyone is wasting time that doesn't benefit the network). Another possibility is that some people ignore the shorter chains, while others check all chains. This gives an unfair advantage to the people checking the shorter chains--they will produce fewer valid blocks for the pool this way while producing more shares and taking a larger cut of the profits. The final option is if everyone only checks the longer chains while ignoring the shorter ones. This is the solution that gives the highest average payout and is the one that ypool is trying for, but it has the problem that if anyone wants to increase their payout they just have to change a couple lines of code and suddenly they can start taking a higher payout. This is a classic case of the Tragedy of the Commons. I have explained this attack in detail to (who I think were) the operators of ypool and they have continued to operate. The only case where mining with them is a wise decision is if you are so averse to variance that you are willing to take an enormous cut to your profits (e.g. 50% or more) in exchange for a more regular payout. If primecoin ultimately became a coin that was considered optimal to GPU mine, but significantly suboptimal to pool mine, that would make it quite the unusual coin, and would leave small miners with no escape from high variance. I'd say from that explanation the only way one could effectively pool mine without this exploit would be to literally setup their own private pools to operate however many rigs they are mining primecoin with. Thank you for the insight Koooooj, interesting. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Kyune on July 19, 2013, 11:23:55 PM The miner for ypool can never match the efficiency of a solo miner, and it certainly can't compete with mikaelh's most recent builds. This is because in pooled mining (at least ypool's implementation of it) the miners are paid to produce blocks of a lower-than-network difficulty, as in Bitcoin. This is not a problem in Bitcoin since you can't look for low difficulty shares without looking for high difficulty shares at the same time. Fascinating. So do you think primecoin is going to end up fundamentally incompatible with pooled mining simply because of the nature of the computational work being done for the coin, or are the problems that you have outlined likely only specific to ypool's implementation and solvable by a different and creative approach to parceling out work to pool participants?However, in Primecoin it is very possible to tune ones search for shorter chains. For example if, after the sieve, you find a collection of 7 numbers that are in the form of a chain (e.g. H-1, 2H-1, 4H-1, 8H-1...) but the number on either side of the chain was proven to be composite then you should not waste time with an expensive primality test on any of the numbers--it will never be a valid share when the network difficulty is 8 or higher. However, if miners are paid to produce shares of difficulty 7 then they should check this chain. There are a few resolutions to this dilemma. One possibility is that everyone checks all chains that aren't long enough to be network shares but could still be pool shares. This is fair for everyone--nobody has an advantage over anyone else--but it means that fewer blocks are generated overall (everyone is wasting time that doesn't benefit the network). Another possibility is that some people ignore the shorter chains, while others check all chains. This gives an unfair advantage to the people checking the shorter chains--they will produce fewer valid blocks for the pool this way while producing more shares and taking a larger cut of the profits. The final option is if everyone only checks the longer chains while ignoring the shorter ones. This is the solution that gives the highest average payout and is the one that ypool is trying for, but it has the problem that if anyone wants to increase their payout they just have to change a couple lines of code and suddenly they can start taking a higher payout. This is a classic case of the Tragedy of the Commons. I have explained this attack in detail to (who I think were) the operators of ypool and they have continued to operate. The only case where mining with them is a wise decision is if you are so averse to variance that you are willing to take an enormous cut to your profits (e.g. 50% or more) in exchange for a more regular payout. If primecoin ultimately became a coin that was considered optimal to GPU mine, but significantly suboptimal to pool mine, that would make it quite the unusual coin, and would leave small miners with no escape from high variance. I'd say from that explanation the only way one could effectively pool mine without this exploit would be to literally setup their own private pools to operate however many rigs they are mining primecoin with. Thank you for the insight Koooooj, interesting. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: tadakaluri on July 20, 2013, 12:55:52 AM The Pooler Client is not working on my system (i5 2500 with windows 7 SP1)
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: mistercoin on July 20, 2013, 01:10:28 AM When I picture Primecoin pooling in my head, I see a bunch of networked CPU's all digging at one block or prime and solving it as a team then moving to the next. Is this what pooling does, or is this what needs to be done in order for Primecoin pooling to work. Im curious ???
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: gatra on July 20, 2013, 01:16:00 AM Quote I don't have a deep understanding at all here. But this is particularly interesting because so far we've all, as far as I know, only been using modified internal miners (like mikaelh's). No one has really even solved the problem of parceling out work to two separate CPU's using external miners. But at a basic level, I would think that if there someday exists code allowing 2+ CPUs (or 2+ GPUs) graphics cards in the same system to interface with the same primecoind and mine via external miner, there would have be a way to insert as an intermediary some pool management code to consolidate work and distribute rewards fairly. It's not like that. A process can start 2 threads that run on 2 CPUs and it can trust it's threads. A pool cannot trust its miners: some will try to steal/take advantage. So it's a different problem, it's not as simple as subdividing the workTitle: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Rubberduckie on July 20, 2013, 01:18:14 AM i was mining on i5 3570k 12hours. 1.15xpm as result total. switched to solo, got one block within same time. i wrote to support to lower payment treshold, no success ~ 230 users x <2xpm ~200 xpm :) so 100% donation from me. I mined with my i7 for 24 hours and got 1.5 XPM , switched back to solo and get an average 1 block a day. Also can't withdraw my coins because of the 2 XPM threshold Either the pool miner is very inefficient or something else is amiss Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Koooooj on July 20, 2013, 04:48:22 AM The miner for ypool can never match the efficiency of a solo miner, and it certainly can't compete with mikaelh's most recent builds. This is because in pooled mining (at least ypool's implementation of it) the miners are paid to produce blocks of a lower-than-network difficulty, as in Bitcoin. This is not a problem in Bitcoin since you can't look for low difficulty shares without looking for high difficulty shares at the same time. Fascinating. So do you think primecoin is going to end up fundamentally incompatible with pooled mining simply because of the nature of the computational work being done for the coin, or are the problems that you have outlined likely only specific to ypool's implementation and solvable by a different and creative approach to parceling out work to pool participants?However, in Primecoin it is very possible to tune ones search for shorter chains. For example if, after the sieve, you find a collection of 7 numbers that are in the form of a chain (e.g. H-1, 2H-1, 4H-1, 8H-1...) but the number on either side of the chain was proven to be composite then you should not waste time with an expensive primality test on any of the numbers--it will never be a valid share when the network difficulty is 8 or higher. However, if miners are paid to produce shares of difficulty 7 then they should check this chain. There are a few resolutions to this dilemma. One possibility is that everyone checks all chains that aren't long enough to be network shares but could still be pool shares. This is fair for everyone--nobody has an advantage over anyone else--but it means that fewer blocks are generated overall (everyone is wasting time that doesn't benefit the network). Another possibility is that some people ignore the shorter chains, while others check all chains. This gives an unfair advantage to the people checking the shorter chains--they will produce fewer valid blocks for the pool this way while producing more shares and taking a larger cut of the profits. The final option is if everyone only checks the longer chains while ignoring the shorter ones. This is the solution that gives the highest average payout and is the one that ypool is trying for, but it has the problem that if anyone wants to increase their payout they just have to change a couple lines of code and suddenly they can start taking a higher payout. This is a classic case of the Tragedy of the Commons. I have explained this attack in detail to (who I think were) the operators of ypool and they have continued to operate. The only case where mining with them is a wise decision is if you are so averse to variance that you are willing to take an enormous cut to your profits (e.g. 50% or more) in exchange for a more regular payout. If primecoin ultimately became a coin that was considered optimal to GPU mine, but significantly suboptimal to pool mine, that would make it quite the unusual coin, and would leave small miners with no escape from high variance. I'd say from that explanation the only way one could effectively pool mine without this exploit would be to literally setup their own private pools to operate however many rigs they are mining primecoin with. Thank you for the insight Koooooj, interesting. Setting up a pool among your own miners gets you nothing. Parceling out work to two separate CPUs doesn't get you much, but it could allow a larger sieve to be more efficient. It all comes down to network bandwidth and latency, which would make a large distributed pool impractical. I got a reply from the ypool operators and they've made the best suggestion I've seen yet. They would require miners to submit information about the sieve they used, so that the server could check that the shares being submitted are valid shares. Due to the computational demands of executing the sieve they could only check one a small percentage of shares, but if a miner is found to be cheating then they could be evicted from the network and their mining proceeds could be confiscated. Such a system would require miners to establish a certain amount of trust before being allowed to withdraw, but it could be made to work. Not nearly as efficient as Bitcoin pools, but still a viable option. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: markm on July 20, 2013, 07:03:44 AM Maybe no pools is good.
Just stick a USB ASIC miner in the back of your PC and forget about it until next birthday or holiday you receive another such party-favour with which you do the same. If one of them wins some year, buy one or more such party-favours to give to friends. On poker night, let who-ever can sign a message using more new winning addresses than any of the others be first dealer. Wean friends and family from buying lottery tickets to buying these party-favours. Etc. Isn't decentralisation meant to be a feature, and pools dangerous concentrations of power or dangerous precedents that could lead to dangerous concentrations of power? -MarkM- Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: funnow on July 23, 2013, 08:38:40 AM Latest stable miner is v 0.32. Working 100% no stale share get 26 shares in 30 minutes (Q6600).
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Kujmandosz on July 23, 2013, 09:01:23 AM Latest stable miner is v 0.32. Working 100% no stale share get 26 shares in 30 minutes (Q6600). yeah. everybody come and join the pool. finally you would get some xpm. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: CoinBuzz on July 23, 2013, 11:11:29 AM i think pool miner applications, is not finding real true block, they are just finding some numbers below a preset difficulty.
So, how this kind of solution could lead to find a block for a pool ? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: gatra on July 24, 2013, 01:07:48 AM pleas
Latest stable miner is v 0.32. Working 100% no stale share get 26 shares in 30 minutes (Q6600). please publish the source code for v0.32! github is still at 0.31 Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: vingaard on July 25, 2013, 09:38:53 AM How can I know whether a worker is working or not?
Thanks ;) Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: DebitMe on July 26, 2013, 12:01:48 AM I am wondering why the miner isn't working with Windows. I downloaded it and tried to run it and it said it was not compatible with my version of windows. I have 64 bit windows 7. I tried both versions and got the same error message with both. Is there another way to do this?
Here is what I am doing, I download the miner and move the .exe file to a new folder. Then I create a notepad file with jhPrimeMiner.exe -o http://ypool.net:10034 -u <username>.<workername> -p <password> in it (filing in my details of course) and saving it in the same folder as an .exe file. I then run my notepad file and I get the error message. Is there something I am not doing right? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: vingaard on July 29, 2013, 06:19:39 PM I am wondering why the miner isn't working with Windows. I downloaded it and tried to run it and it said it was not compatible with my version of windows. I have 64 bit windows 7. I tried both versions and got the same error message with both. Is there another way to do this? Here is what I am doing, I download the miner and move the .exe file to a new folder. Then I create a notepad file with jhPrimeMiner.exe -o http://ypool.net:10034 -u <username>.<workername> -p <password> in it (filing in my details of course) and saving it in the same folder as an .exe file. I then run my notepad file and I get the error message. Is there something I am not doing right? ...as a .bat file Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: jdebunt on July 29, 2013, 06:24:00 PM good job on the new share system, absolutely loving it :)
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: hendo420 on July 31, 2013, 09:01:41 AM Is the pool down?
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: FreedomCoin on August 02, 2013, 11:06:05 PM connection is timing out to ypool
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: jh00 on August 02, 2013, 11:37:22 PM Server is up again, all miners should automatically reconnect and start mining again.
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: baloo_kiev on August 05, 2013, 05:19:25 PM Something happened with block confirmations calculation
Code: Block-ID User Block value Shares Share value Time Confirmed Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: chungenhung on August 11, 2013, 06:11:16 AM My miner is working, but the pool website says I have not submitted shares in the past 2hrs.
Is this normal? 2/4 of my workers says no shares in the past 2hrs. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: jkminkov on August 20, 2013, 06:50:04 AM avoid that scam pool, after finding 5 blocks for them and getting only 14XPM, they changed payout and my share count is cut 10 times! FU, NO FREE MONEY FOR YOU!!!
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: clintar on August 20, 2013, 07:56:07 AM I don't get what's going on, but even though I've had 7 and 8 chain shares, I don't seem to see them on ypool.net personal stats (that I can tell). date/times for those seem to be skipped, and all my shares are almost the same value. around .0012-.0027. Don't seem to be getting as much anymore. Not that I know exactly how to track this, but I used to match up times I see in my miner with those on my personal stats, and it doesn't seem to jive.
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Boomsling on August 20, 2013, 03:19:45 PM I can confirm, my shares have dropped to from 0.04 XPM per block to 0.004. :-\
Rubbish, Ive switched most of my machines to solo. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: FreedomCoin on August 20, 2013, 03:42:08 PM I can confirm, my shares have dropped to from 0.04 XPM per block to 0.004. :-\ Rubbish, Ive switched most of my machines to solo. hmm i made 25 xpm in the last couple weeks.. is this a pool setting change? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: rwessels on August 20, 2013, 06:09:24 PM Big changes at YPool. 6 and 7 chains are worthless now. I did some simple calculations today and 8 chains were worth 2 cents, 9 chains worth 79 cents, and 10 chains (I made one today) are worth about $25.
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: clintar on August 20, 2013, 07:05:27 PM I can confirm, my shares have dropped to from 0.04 XPM per block to 0.004. :-\ Yeah, that's from the amount being different, but I don't see anything in my personal stats that matches up with a share above 6. Maybe that's normal. I don't know. I thought I could see each share that showed up in my miner on the personal stats page, but maybe i was mistaken.Rubbish, Ive switched most of my machines to solo. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: bcp19 on August 20, 2013, 07:28:44 PM I can confirm, my shares have dropped to from 0.04 XPM per block to 0.004. :-\ One bad apple spoils the bunch.Rubbish, Ive switched most of my machines to solo. In another thread someone was comment on making a miner than only searched for 6ch instead of trying to the 9ch needed for blocks as they could get 2000 6ch vs 200 by doing this, From what ypool has done, it seems fairly obvious that some jerk did exactly this and flooded the pool. Ypool obviously took all the chains submitted over the past week or month or whatever and decided that the overinflated value of 6ch was robbing the people actually finding the blocks, so they changed the value system to match what had been coming in. Unfortunately, this means that the poeple who were not trying to cheat the system get shafted. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: tinnvec on August 20, 2013, 10:46:21 PM These are the new official share rates:
Diff Share value 11ch 100 10ch 80 9ch 16 8ch 1 7ch 0.03125 6ch 0.000976 As announced yesterday: http://community.ypool.net/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=63 Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: fasmax on August 20, 2013, 11:37:54 PM I am making less XPM's now with the new payout system.
I have solved 3 blocks over the last couple weeks and only have about 10 XPM to show for it. What setting do I need to change to get longer blocks? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: jungle_dave on August 29, 2013, 04:27:27 PM Im not getting higher then 6ch ..
doing something wrong here? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: rwessels on August 29, 2013, 04:48:50 PM High difficulty makes it tough. The last few days have been really hard to find blocks.
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: psyc on August 31, 2013, 07:59:27 PM someone gains access ypool.net?
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: mechs on August 31, 2013, 08:07:31 PM someone gains access ypool.net? Apparently they are migrating servers and will be a few hours.Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: psyc on August 31, 2013, 08:10:11 PM someone gains access ypool.net? Apparently they are migrating servers and will be a few hours.Thanks Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: mechs on August 31, 2013, 08:16:46 PM Is a pain in the as though. Had 10 machines running and doing nothing for hours
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: psyc on August 31, 2013, 09:22:18 PM Is a pain in the as though. Had 10 machines running and doing nothing for hours exactly! Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: rwessels on September 01, 2013, 02:40:53 AM http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/randywessels/XPM.png (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/randywessels/media/XPM.png.html)
So I am seeing something that I find very strange. Quite a few users have almost no shares at all, but have a huge share value. Now since the most points that you can get from a share is 100 - and that is for an 11 chain which is very rare. More likely you would get 80 or 16 points for a block. If you are user xpm12 with 79 shares and 704 points, that means you must have found at least 7 blocks in the last 80 blocks that were found. Yet when I look through the last 6 pages of blocks that were found, user xpm12 has not found any of them. That doesn't seem right. Then take user ssfnwfn with 84 shares and 542 points. Same thing, but at least 5 blocks right? This looks a bit better because ssfnwfn found one in the last 6 pages. But still seems very odd. Take a look at other users with thousands of shares and they have a much more reasonable ratio of share count to share value - and have actually found blocks. This started happening a few days ago - well at least I started noticing it a few days ago. Have people found a way to cheat the pool? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: EgotisticalElf on September 01, 2013, 03:33:02 AM http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/randywessels/XPM.png (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/randywessels/media/XPM.png.html) So I am seeing something that I find very strange. Quite a few users have almost no shares at all, but have a huge share value. Now since the most points that you can get from a share is 100 - and that is for an 11 chain which is very rare. More likely you would get 80 or 16 points for a block. If you are user xpm12 with 79 shares and 704 points, that means you must have found at least 7 blocks in the last 80 blocks that were found. Yet when I look through the last 6 pages of blocks that were found, user xpm12 has not found any of them. That doesn't seem right. Then take user ssfnwfn with 84 shares and 542 points. Same thing, but at least 5 blocks right? This looks a bit better because ssfnwfn found one in the last 6 pages. But still seems very odd. Take a look at other users with thousands of shares and they have a much more reasonable ratio of share count to share value - and have actually found blocks. This started happening a few days ago - well at least I started noticing it a few days ago. Have people found a way to cheat the pool? The new experimental miner that came out a few days does not report Shares, only ShareValue. (Unless you find a 9-chain). While i don't know for sure, looks like he was running something like that. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: rwessels on September 01, 2013, 06:39:23 AM It still doesn't make any sense to me that someone that has not found a block in the last 80 blocks that the pool has found could have a share value so high. Matter of fact, the last block that xpm12 found was 46 hours ago. That is hundreds of blocks ago. Something is very wrong here.
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: jh00 on September 01, 2013, 02:47:17 PM It still doesn't make any sense to me that someone that has not found a block in the last 80 blocks that the pool has found could have a share value so high. Matter of fact, the last block that xpm12 found was 46 hours ago. That is hundreds of blocks ago. Something is very wrong here. The new reward system that comes with the experimental miner pays a little bit more than the other miners as an initiative for people to switch and for developers to implement it in their miners. It's also decoupled from shares and instead uses the estimated chance to find a block within a given timespan to reward the miner. It effectively removes the luck factor of finding good shares or blocks.Previously, if two users with the exact same hardware configuration and the same miner version mined for 5 hours, their reward was vastly different. Just because one was luckier than the other. This is exactly the opposite of what pool mining is about. With pooled mining we try to decrease the spikes in the payout and make it more even for all. If someone finds no blocks he will still get paid for trying, if someone finds a lot of blocks he still gets paid the same amount. If someone wants the full reward for being lucky then go for solo. In the end you should get about same amount of XPM from solo mining and pooled mining (minus pool fee) Edit: I just checked the stats and it's kind of strange. The mentioned user has doubled his share value but still has not found a block. I will look into it. Edit2: All fine, he just added a lot of machines and he found already enough blocks. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: mechs on September 01, 2013, 04:28:32 PM It still doesn't make any sense to me that someone that has not found a block in the last 80 blocks that the pool has found could have a share value so high. Matter of fact, the last block that xpm12 found was 46 hours ago. That is hundreds of blocks ago. Something is very wrong here. The new reward system that comes with the experimental miner pays a little bit more than the other miners as an initiative for people to switch and for developers to implement it in their miners. It's also decoupled from shares and instead uses the estimated chance to find a block within a given timespan to reward the miner. It effectively removes the luck factor of finding good shares or blocks.Previously, if two users with the exact same hardware configuration and the same miner version mined for 5 hours, their reward was vastly different. Just because one was luckier than the other. This is exactly the opposite of what pool mining is about. With pooled mining we try to decrease the spikes in the payout and make it more even for all. If someone finds no blocks he will still get paid for trying, if someone finds a lot of blocks he still gets paid the same amount. If someone wants the full reward for being lucky then go for solo. In the end you should get about same amount of XPM from solo mining and pooled mining (minus pool fee) Edit: I just checked the stats and it's kind of strange. The mentioned user has doubled his share value but still has not found a block. I will look into it. Edit2: All fine, he just added a lot of machines and he found already enough blocks. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: rwessels on September 01, 2013, 04:41:14 PM I am not so sure that experimental miner is working very well. xpm12 STILL hasn't found a block in over 55 hours. In the meantime other users at ypoll have found over 450 blocks. Yet they are the 17th highest paid user still. That is down from position 5 in my screenshot so something is happening there.
I am not sure that I want to switch the experimental miner yet as I seem to be finding blocks faster now that I was before - 6 in the last 24 hours. But I would like to take a look at it on maybe a box or two. Is it the one from the ypoll website that says version .41? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: mladen00 on November 25, 2013, 12:21:30 PM what is happening with ypool?
web site doesn't work?? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: NUFCrichard on November 25, 2013, 12:45:03 PM At a guess it is getting destroyed by people turning on hundreds of VPSs to mine protoshares..
I would either solo mine, try another pool or another CPU coin for a while. Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: thehun on December 07, 2013, 07:55:23 PM I don't understand this logic. I'm finding more chains than ever (16 in the last few hours) but my balance is hardly increasing and the panel shows 0 shares) ???
http://imageshack.us/a/img36/2978/xpuz.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img5/7333/b8fq.jpg Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: stubbscroll on December 18, 2013, 06:42:24 AM I get around 80% invalid shares these days (mostly "share value too low"). This happens both with the regular jhprimeminer and the T15 version. Does anyone know how to fix this?
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: Mabo81 on August 31, 2016, 03:31:54 PM morta pure questa ?
Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: TDA31 on September 22, 2016, 03:01:50 PM Is YPool dead?
Can't access their website... are our coins there gone? Title: Re: yPool.net XPM Pooled CPU Mining!!! Post by: rockmoney on January 27, 2017, 03:48:34 AM Is YPool dead? Can't access their website... are our coins there gone? I'm having the same problem - can't seem to access their website. I have been able to make parts of the site load at times and after MANY refreshes, but can't get any further than that. Anyone with any updates please let us know. Thanks! |
