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Title: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: /dev/null on July 16, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255636.60


WHY?

1. Fake Avatar. He's using some scientist named Jesse Bering's pic even on his facebook https://www.facebook.com/ivan.sirka.3

2. He refused to accept escrow, even with John K.
3. He refused to provide an extra screenshot/video to a member
4. He's using self moderated thread
5. He's using this pic http://i42.tinypic.com/2jcc9zd.jpg on his thread, which is copied from some another thread.
6. His second pic looks too much fake
http://i40.tinypic.com/32zq7wp.jpg

Look at all those miners and his extra miner that's on paper.

7. His account is new.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Hippie Tech on July 16, 2013, 09:14:09 PM
He deleted my post... beware..

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Anyone bought something from this guy?

Sunday I bought 2 USB Erupters. He claims that he sent it already with local PostOffice. No tracking number provided. I asked him to photo proof of posting (receipt). Yesterday evening he promised to give me a photo today. No response since then.
Please be careful before trading with this guy.
And to EuropeanMiner: can you give me proof of posting please?


Dear Lenny,

Yes I know I have 3 PM from you.... And  I answered all of them, and YES i DID write you yesterday evening 23:00 "allow me to go sleep, tomorrow Ill scan you confirmation" ... SORRY for delay

I had 40 PMs yesterday
I have my family
I have my job
I had to scan everything and reply to everyone
I had to pack 6 packages yesterday and took them to post office
I had 3 calles with paypal, 20 minutes each
I had nervous girlfriend cause she has her days


here is your confrmation
edit: link to picture deleted upon request of Lenny (reason: personal details visible) ....


SORRY EVERYONE !!!! ALLOW some delay while replying to all your PMs and inquries and posts, I m just a human

DO NOT BUY FROM THIS GUY UNTIL HE PROVES THE STICKS WERE SENT AND/OR HAVE BEEN DELIVERED !

DEMAND ESCROW !

Lame excuses will get you no where.

HT xD


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Hippie Tech on July 16, 2013, 11:27:00 PM
Regardless if I was online or not, you have no right censoring anyone's free speech.

This is making you look bad. Your next step should be to dis-prove these allegations. NO ONE is buying your story thus far.

Has lenny_on recieved his delivery ? Prove that you sent it.

HT xD


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Kouye on July 16, 2013, 11:38:49 PM
6. His second pic looks too much fake http://i40.tinypic.com/32zq7wp.jpg

Hahaha, if this is not a fake, you need to change your cam.
Post a video of your 60 devices, maybe ? That'll be a lot more work to edit, probably worth more than 6000$, even :)

EDIT : Quoted /dev/null but was talking to EuropeanMiner, of course.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Kouye on July 17, 2013, 12:03:37 AM
Just post a video on youtube, that'll take you 3 minutes top.  ;)


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Hippie Tech on July 17, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
Just post a video on youtube, that'll take you 3 minutes top.  ;)


He's only out to waste time and deserves to be ignored.

BB eurodumbass. :P

HT xD


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: realestone on July 17, 2013, 02:57:58 AM
i'm by no means an imagery expert but that photo doesnt look right to my eyes lol


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: route on July 17, 2013, 09:01:59 AM
Hi,

second photo from:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255636.msg2722513#msg2722513


can be found little rotated here: 


http://www.ripplex.biz/blog/tag/usb-block-erupter-bitcoin


However, it doesn't prove much. EuropeanMiner, how would you explain this?

route







Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: escrow.ms on July 17, 2013, 09:06:26 AM
Hi,

second photo from:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255636.msg2722513#msg2722513


can be found little rotated here: 


http://www.ripplex.biz/blog/tag/usb-block-erupter-bitcoin


However, it doesn't prove much. EuropeanMiner, how would you explain this?

route







Whoa, nice catch
Looks like he is a real scammer.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: KingOfSports on July 17, 2013, 12:32:38 PM
He is now trying to do a "raffle" for the block eruptors. I have made a post regarding this thread.

Here is the raffle thread, which is found in the gambling section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257194.0


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: escrow.ms on July 17, 2013, 04:08:05 PM
He is now trying to do a "raffle" for the block eruptors. I have made a post regarding this thread.

Here is the raffle thread, which is found in the gambling section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257194.0

Thanks for posting warning there, I have sent a pm to all users who paid him money.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Kouye on July 17, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
He is now trying to do a "raffle" for the block eruptors. I have made a post regarding this thread.

Here is the raffle thread, which is found in the gambling section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257194.0

Falling back from auction to raffle instead of posting a video as I asked... This is a 100% scam.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Tomatocage on July 17, 2013, 05:47:13 PM
I bet he suddenly stops posting now that he has negative trust  :D


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Moogle on July 18, 2013, 12:50:08 AM
*Watches the tumble weeds roll by*
Gonna be quiet from him now ;-)
Nice catches in the images :-D


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: realestone on July 18, 2013, 04:02:00 AM
you guys are good lol


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Tomatocage on July 18, 2013, 09:38:23 AM
I've removed my negative rep for him as I believe he's not so much a scammer as he is a shirt tempered seller who lacks experience. This should not be taken as an endorsement, and buyers are still urged to use escrow.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: KingOfSports on July 18, 2013, 11:05:45 AM
User is now PMing me threatening to ruin my life / come after me and reputation or something unless I pay 10 BTC.  Can't tell exactly what is threat is. He is now asking in my threads for my name and address. Dunno how to post screenshots here. Anyways heres his messages (not concerned bout em):
1st-
but you ? you have to "judge" me ...without any deal made between me and you ... never mind .. there are plenty stupid assholes like you on this world .. have to live with that, thanks once agian,

you can send me 5 Btc for ruining my reputation

1Ub9Uz3FH1N375LPdVPZbRme9RGi6DnSH

and I promise you I wont seek for you personaly

2nd-
Quote from: KingOfSports on Today at 10:15:57 AM
Never wrote you were a scammer. I wrote that people should be warned and first do their research, not many on this forum do. If you had set up an escrow where JohnK owned the pool address or such you'd have well over 10 BTC I'm sure or so in your drawing by now. You have no reputation, no proof that you will pay it out. People are hesitant in bitcoin world.


No need to continue in this conversation, have to take care of customers. Die

3rd-
Quote from: KingOfSports on Today at 10:20:46 AM
You are a joke. I am not sending you anything. And I can assure I am healthy and living quite well thank you.

10btc

4th-
Quote from: KingOfSports on Today at 10:57:14 AM
0

Ok will contact you when I get your details : ) price will be much higher than 10 Wink

Wish you good health

bye now.


Dude has an ugly temper but its quite humorous knowing he lives in Europe and I'm in a whole different continent.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Beastlymac on July 18, 2013, 11:12:44 AM
This user posted in my thread advertising his block eruptors. He also deleted my post asking for a proof video showing his forum name beside the block eruptors I would recommend escrow or don't deal with him.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Xer0 on July 18, 2013, 12:31:34 PM
I've removed my negative rep for him as I believe he's not so much a scammer as he is a shirt tempered seller who lacks experience.
my tummy says, he never had more stock than maybe ~6 usb miners - those look like copied to 10 rows in his pic
if not scammer then he tries to presell units he does not have and then order them based on demand...


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Beastlymac on July 18, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
I've removed my negative rep for him as I believe he's not so much a scammer as he is a shirt tempered seller who lacks experience.
my tummy says, he never had more stock than maybe ~6 usb miners - those look like copied to 10 rows in his pic
if not scammer then he tries to presell units he does not have and then order them based on demand...
Also he sent me this.
https://i.imgur.com/Y9YUdc1.jpg
What a charming fellow.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: elitenoob on July 18, 2013, 02:30:32 PM
I've removed my negative rep for him as I believe he's not so much a scammer as he is a shirt tempered seller who lacks experience. This should not be taken as an endorsement, and buyers are still urged to use escrow.
Wrong.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Xer0 on July 18, 2013, 02:47:02 PM
He now pruned all his threads ever made. i dont get it


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: /dev/null on July 18, 2013, 02:51:03 PM
He now pruned all his threads ever made. i dont get it

He knew that he don't have chance to scam more peoples so he decided to leave with the money he got till now.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Xer0 on July 18, 2013, 03:25:24 PM
I dont know if this address is real, but he sent me this picture:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2akfuxs&s=5

I tried to enhance the backside of the paper, but it seems there never was real text...
http://imgup.ru/image-z2lx919201818.html


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: KingOfSports on July 18, 2013, 03:35:58 PM
Well I'm glad I was able to alert those in the gambling section. I commented letting people know to read the OP and check his other posts to and see he deleted them all.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Beastlymac on July 18, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
He also changed his signature and profile picture.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: escrow.ms on July 18, 2013, 03:40:31 PM
I dont know if this address is real, but he sent me this picture:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2akfuxs&s=5

it's fake, How did he scanned 2 sides of slip in single image.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Xer0 on July 18, 2013, 03:41:43 PM
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Ivan, you asked for pictures of yxt's deliverys

How about pictures from your stocks now? thx

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its the plugs that really making my eyes squint..
yeah, thas really grinding my gears to... the erosion on them is all the same

OP, there is a ultimate proof you can do: arrange them to form a BTC!  ;D
(and make a short video panning over them - only a true cgi master could fake that)

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I'm willing to buy 1 (one) unit and pay in BTC
As i made enough profit last week i can risk that
But you would need to provide tracked, insured shipping.

Then i will report here, give you Trust and order more ;)

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i will withhold a opinion until we hear back from lenny_ who is waiting for delivery

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i didnt bought at him, so actually, i should not care
but i hate to judge people without really final facts



Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Xer0 on July 18, 2013, 03:42:40 PM
it's fake, How did he scanned 2 sides of slip in single image.
scanning both sides and combining with photoshop?


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: escrow.ms on July 18, 2013, 03:46:04 PM
it's fake, How did he scanned 2 sides of slip in single image.
scanning both sides and combining with photoshop?

Or by just taking 2 slips and doing scan :D

anyways i took a screenshot of his raffle thread yesterday.

https://i.imgur.com/7ZNkxbj.png

Ps: I think he's good with photoshop.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Xer0 on July 18, 2013, 03:50:42 PM
Ps: I think he's good with photoshop.

oh yes. his miner-pic looked fake, though, but was really good. maybe even a render


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: route on July 19, 2013, 11:38:16 AM
Ps: I think he's good with photoshop.

oh yes. his miner-pic looked fake, though, but was really good. maybe even a render

I dont think he is good with photoshop or anything. Just examine the photo of 60 miners "on his table".

Only by comparing the USB plug width one can see there is some 20-30 % difference.

There are a lot of small details he forgot to pay attention to, I dont want to share them with public, because
there is a criminal and forensic investigation by authorities ongoing . Also, I dont want him (or any scammer)
to become better in his criminal activity.

http://klub.homemade.net/euminer/euminer60.png


Beware everybody, he is probably using different usernames here on bitcointalk and will continue
to scam.


r





Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: krudkeeper on July 19, 2013, 11:41:52 AM
i can photoshop better


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: crumbs on July 19, 2013, 01:40:42 PM
Sorry for necroing this thread, but the shop is just curious enough to talk about.  It's not an obvious fake, but it ain't easy on the eyes, everything about it just screams "overlay!1!"

The first impression is wtf?  The miners are ideally laid out for shopping:  ~parallel to each other, so no fancy shading would be needed if shadows were cast, which they're not.  Shot from nearly perfect 12 o'clock -- no worries about 3D stuff like perspective & parallax.  
Shit cellphone cam (duh), though the EXIF data's stripped.
Why the the note?  The paper is ~flat, so any handwriting can be overlaid without worrying about shading & distortion introduced by "crumples."  The miners don't overlap the paper, so it may as well be posted in a separate shot :)  
The thumb drive seems to cast a shadow toward 10 o'clock, but could be anything -- motion blur, lens distortion, phone cam software trying to compensate -- but if it's a shadow, why none from the miners?
@route:  What looks like USB plug size discrepancy could be simply perspective -- if the lens is ~above the thumb drive & ~4 feet up, the scaling would make sense.
There's another detail -- in the bottom row of miners, the miner in the right-hand corner (the one with one of the screw holes barely visible) seems to be identical to the second miner from the left, same row.  The shading/reflection on the the USB plugs is close enough to say "same."  I made a 2-frame overlay gif (cropped from your pic -- aligned on the usb connector).
http://s17.postimg.org/k92d2wd4f/Untitled_1.gif (http://postimage.org/)

So, not 100%, not proof, but sure backs up my first impression. :)


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: route on July 19, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
@crumbs

Yeah, a lot can be said about photo. Like I said I dont want to share in public too much.

The size of the plug:  there is also a size of the USB miner, it doesnt scale right relative to the size
of the A4 size of the paper. This can check anybody with a miner in hand. The dimension of one miner is aprox. 25 x 57 mm.

r



Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Priceslide on July 20, 2013, 01:25:40 AM
So I submitted .1 btc for the "Eruptor Raffle" to the address 12NWcBQyjW3UXVc4jKY5Rt85fAeQSifQqq

The odd thing is that if it was a scam, he would have surely cleared out the address after pruning all his posts, right?
Or is .4 BTC not enough to be worth the cost of laundering it?


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Kouye on July 20, 2013, 01:34:55 AM
Why would he do it now ?
He has all the time he wants, now. And if he waits 2 years, maybe this will has been forgotten by the internet and he gets away with it. Or so he beleives.


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: Hippie Tech on July 20, 2013, 02:38:36 AM
Its pretty easy to buy accounts and pose as the actual buyers.

update..

Now the cops are after him. ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258518.msg2757777#new

HT xD


Title: Re: Possible scammer EuropeanMiner
Post by: lky_svn on July 29, 2013, 07:32:01 AM
Unfortunately also had some bad experience with EuropeanMiner.

Bought some USB Miners off him. Bitcoins transferrered to his payment address 198VFGQSGFfE6Dnb1WoUFhzAHqNUu4JTgi - my 28BTC are still there.
Unfortunately all done and completed before other people starting raising doubts here, would have thought twice...
Never got a proof of posting or tracking number. Highly doubt that the miners will ever arrive here.
Also no refund of the payment. No reaction any more to any of my messages.

Will file an official police report - since the SEC is finally moving on pirate, I have some faith left in the legal system.

EuropeanMiner - make this right, refund my money!!