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Is it true, some countries that reject the bitcoin are countries with high levels of corruption? So they consider bitcoin to be a potential money laundering crime, potential illegal transactions, Violate payment system authority and undermine the system of investment activity. While countries that provide support for bitcoin is already included developed countries and has minimal acts of corruption therein. What do you think?

It could be one of the reason but not applicable to all. If you can just notice, before any country accepts or adopts the use of any cryptocurrency in their political boundaries there are multiple sessions and debates as to whether they will accept or ban it in their country. And so upon deliberation the acceptance of any cryptocurrency will be depending on the votes of the majority. Thus placing corruption as the main reason of the non-acceptance of bitcoin is not an acceptable reason indeed, due to lack of evidence to backed it up.

Isn't it ironic, a corrupt government calling a transparent currrency corrupt?

I think they are getting nervous about losing control over over the games they play with their fiat money.

They're all getting nervous because many of the in these governments engage in the same things they are accusing of bitcoin being illegally used. For example, would you believe banks would brazenly engage in money laundering they don't have connections in the government?

For the conspiracy theorists out there, I'm also hearing discussions that this is the banking system trying to ban bitcoins in smaller economies first, some sort of test run to see how it can be done globally.


They talk the opposite of how they act. Nothing surprising about that, haha.  ;D

I do believe this is somewhat true, but for a different reason than what you stated.

Corrupt countries are either poor, or is under authoritarian rule. Poor countries can't spare resources to regulate Bitcoin, and they could end up poorer as their citizens use their fiat to buy crypto from other countries. They have much bigger fish to fry, so simply banning Bitcoin to avoid the risks that come with it is the best option for them. Authoritarian countries, on the other hand, typically don't enjoy letting their citizens have certain liberties, and that's exactly what crypto does and represents. It's hard for them to keep tabs on everyone if everyone could potentially move their money without the government knowing.

Developed countries have the resources to enforce regulations and are progressive as they don't have to deal with as many problems as developing countries. They have nothing to lose from crypto's rise.

No it is not.
It's just a conspiracy theory that is based on wrong assumptions.

When it comes to technology and embracing innovation the most developed countries are the first in line.
3rd world countries have no chance there not only because of the governments but because of lack of funding.

With bitcoin is almost the same, we hear news about how Bitcoin is growing in Africa or Venezuela but most of them are clickbait fake news just to earn hits and likes.
And it makes sense, poor citizens have no chance of getting in and invest when there is nothing to invest.An eastern European (and we still talk about Europe) spends almost a quarter of his wage on food. An US citizen 7% and in Africa more than 60%. How can you compare 40% of 200$ with 90% of 3000$?

The numbers of people holding bitcoin in those countries is so low and the value that tiny the government is just not interested in it.

And if we come to corruption, what would be easier for an official that taking a bribe in coins.
You enter his office and he has a qr cod eon his desk and he point to it to send him the bribe.
How is anybody going to prove that he has taken money?????
No money trail (we assume mixing), no discussion recorded, no bank accounts ... no nothing.

Corrupt officials would just benefit with BTC in their own ways.
But usually in their countries BTC is at levels it can be ignored.

And honestly, do you think a corrupt government cares about how much tax is collected or how the economy is doing?
They just take what's available and leave a mess after them when they are gone from office.

There is no direct way for an entire country to "reject" bitcoin. I think there'd be a considerable Streisand effect if any governing body would try to actually ban bitcoin. Perhaps legal procedures for people looking to register a crypto company could be tightened but outright banning is impossible due to bitcoin's decentralized nature so I don't think that entire countries can "refuse" bitcoin.

Do you now speak directly about a particular country?
Indeed, this is not a coincidence. The inability to control bitcoins by taxes does not allow corruption to exist. Everything is logical

Some countries do ban bitcoin but the thing is it can be used to reduce corruption because all transactions are registered on the blockchain so the money can be tracked. If done right this is a reason to accept it and show that the country can be corrupt free.

Money laundering crime, potential illegal transactions, Violate payment system authority and undermine the system of investment activity

All of these things which you mentioned already exist from ages, its just like banning cars as robbers run away in them after the robbery which in stupid, Bitcoin is a million dollar industry and countries should take the benefit instead on banning.

Corrupted people always find a way to hide their money. They use banks also, why we don't close banks?

yes I agree with you, I think it makes sense. Some countries that ban bitcoin are countries that have fears if bitcoin is used for illegal activities such as corruption. Whereas in fact completely untrue, blockchain technology embedded in bitcoin able to minimize corruption because every transaction in and out of course can be tracked in accordance with the txid who make transactions.

I know that this may be the reason why bitcoin is used so much in countries with high corruption. The assets due to corruption will be transferred to bitcoin to avoid government monitoring and at the same time it will also increase asset wealth due to bitcoin continuously rising prices over time.

In my opinion why some countries refuse bitcoin because they don't want to be transparant. With bitcoin that using blockchain all transaction will be transparant to public, no one can do corruption. If some countries refuse using bitcoin (blockchain) i think in that country corruption still happen and the corruption in high levels and involved many sectors including in goverment itself. I am not suprise that finally bitcoin with blockchain will have a negative publicity because they dont want to lose their power to do the corruptions.

Absolutely.It is for that reason for not having resources to control or regulate bitcoin,smaller countries  like bangladesh,equador,bolivia simply ban bitcoins.Bigger countries don't want their citizens to get out of their control as financial freedom would lead to all other liberal ideas.For example,china being a communist country does not welcome bitcoin.

Even all the developed countries are not in favor of bitcoin.Most of those countries too want to avoid bitcoin but bitcoin being a digital currency,they are well aware that unless internet is banned,bitcoin could not be banned.So some countries decide to just regulate bitcoin and get tax from bitcoin earnings.

No, some governments are clearly worried that some of their population are getting carried away with virtual currencies and are banning/ talking about banning virtual currencies to protect their citizens from loosing lots of money.

Of course, any person hodling themselves would say otherwise as its in their own interest.

This forum is completely biased for that reason, something that took me some time to realize.

I never thought about this point of the reason but being used as money laundering and crime activity in corruption could be good analize why bitcoin is rejected in such kind of country.

No doubt that it will be harder to commit some corrupt practices in a country with a blockchain or similar system helping to track all transactions.
Like you said, in some of the countries that are supporting and introducing bitcoin in their economy system the corruption is virtually zero.
In the other hand, countries that are banning bitcoin are in mostly underdevelope and with high rates of corrucption.

In my own opinion, they are fear from bitcoin because they cannot corrupt if the bitcoin dominates their country. Bitcoin is decentralized and government can't mandate their citizen to give high taxes. They don't hold the money of the people. Banks also be useless and there will be a change in the system of payment and transactions. Bitcoin will be the great enemy of corrupt administration, they just said that bitcoin is illegal to avoid spreading of bitcoin specially, in their country. Unlike in developed countries, citizen's sake always be the first.

The reason of rejection has nothing to do with corruption. It's all about the income tax and other wealth tax that government collects from its citizens. This is the summary for me. The rest is just irrelevant.

It could be true, but I don't think the countries that are banning bitcoin are concerned about it's citizens welfare. Most of those countries actually live in a dictatorial regime, and are probably afraid of losing the control of their money. Also, countries with dictatorial regimes, normally have corruption in their govern, so they just want to keep the power to themselves.

Yes its maybe true it can be a source or illegal transactions and such but also lets consider that it will not be applicable to all countries just some country whose government offcials are afraid mainly because they are not that technologically literate so they cant manipulate the digital currency unlike in fiat money they can control it so easy. Its like they are threatened because they will lose power over the country.

id think it does have a bit, especially if it is in a politician's best interests to have bitcoin quietly die out, and the politicians are the ones that have the say in what becomes law. however, bitcoin's position in the tax code is both a good and bad thing; if bitcoin becomes taxable, then it has been recognized by the government as as asset or currency. on the other hand, for it to be taxed, it much be reported for tax purposes, and we'll lose some of the anonymity by having our addresses associated with out income and real life identities.

I personally agree to this. Even before government even exist there are already corruption, correct me if I'm wrong.
But there is a point where bitcoin can actually take part in corruption and other illegal transactions because of its anonymity.
And secondly I think it's also about the taxes.

For this problem, it is important to consider carefully, because the crypto currency can affect the stability of the local currency of a nation, which is developing countries, usually have a small currency value compared to the US dollar as well as other countries' currencies.

With the entry of the crypto currency into the real world, it will cause economic chaos in the country, for example prefer to use the currency crypto than local currency, so the value of local currency will tend to fall in value.

Problems with corruption, perhaps transactions that occur in the crypto currency rotation are more transparent than local currency, so it will be easy to trace in the event of a corruption, and this rejection is likely by the conspiracy of the corrupt so it is agreed to refuse the crypto currency in their country with various arguments.

Money laundering problems can still happen in the world of crypto, if you know about e-gold then you will understand, otherwise I will expose a little.
Money laundering is the act of a person to trick the authorities to track the whereabouts of the proceeds of crime. Between can and not if the currency crypto for money laundering, although in the end can be traced also to the hash of existing transactions, can be if criminals use to buy crypto currency mining equipment, and not if want to buy the currency crypto then rotated, because this can be traced.

Every new ideas or changes will surely experience apprehension by others. It will take time that people who sit on those countries to understand what bitcoin is and what potential it can give to a nation in terms gaining their economy as well as people experience economic gain and freedom as well.

I’m sure there is some point that corruption and banning of cryptocurrency has a connection.. Think about how banking officials control or manipulate the government officials that opposes the legalisation of bitcoin in one country.. That is obviously be a payroll or incentives and that is one kind of corruption.. This is reality and proof is not needed but just plain common sense..

that's right, the average of countries that refuse bitcoin is a developing country and a poor country. This means that the refusal of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies is caused by economic conditions in the country. If the economic conditions in the country are still troubled, or practically unhealthy, they will think the cryptocurrency will worsen the situation, rather than helping to improve the economy. As you say, this is because the resources are still minimal.

Maybe it's true

Go look closely at those countries that are banning Bitcoin. Most of them have a corrupt government or they want to control

or protect their weak economy/local currency. They hate Bitcoin, because it undermine their control. They could care less

that this technology can be used to improve the lives of their citizens. Most of them are trying to protect the Banks that are

funding their election campaigns.  >:(

Yeah it is true I think.Bitcoin can leads to serious corruption in their country because it is fully anonymous and no one knows who is holding bitcoins.Politicians and multi millionaires using bitcoins for money laundering and some terrorists using bitcoins for buying the arms and fire power by paying bitcoins because it is anonymous so government can't find them.But banning the bitcoin in their country doesn't restrict them from using bitcoins they have to find some other ways.

We have a corrupt government as well but we are open for bitcoin as this has been an advantage for everyone, although our government is not yet full in favor in cryptocurrency but still they are not closing the door for this new innovation that has been discovered. So, I think not all corrupt country, but maybe they are just greedy

Sorry but your proof is not that much of a proof...
The biggest banks are mostly based in the US and Europe.
Most of the banks in the 3rd world countries are small both in size and influence.

Then why in Europe where the banking sector has such a big impact on the economy and gdp cryptos are more welcomed then in other countries?

It's not corruption , it's just incompetence.
You are asking officials unable to build highways and make sure citizens have access to water and electricity to understand cryptos?

What about Singapore, if you think the rejection that is being made against bitcoin due to incompetence, do you think a country like Singapore has not been able to accommodate this technology in its country. I even see Singapore more advanced than China and Indonesia. What causes Singapore to reject it if not for the negative factors from bitcoin that impact their economies.

That might be the reason why many governments does not consider bitcoin favorable for their economy .
Many people were reportedly involved in money laundering through bitcoin which leaves a fear in the government's mind to not accept it and consider it legal . Other than that governments just want some reasons in order to avoid it so they over exaggerate the things and the potential crimes related to bitcoin in order to protect their banks and fiat.

I think you have a point or two. If we look at the countries where Bitcoin is either officially banned or unofficially frowned upon, such countries as Indonesia, Venezuela, Russia, Bolivia, and even China, we will invariably see that the governments of these countries are highly corrupted. Though I can't quite agree with your point that they consider Bitcoin as a tool for money laundering, terrorism financing, and other criminal activities. In this respect they are not different from any other country simply because this is what Bitcoin can actually be used for.

That said, I'm more inclined to think that these countries are just used to ban anything which can potentially threaten their position and power, and this is the main reason they are so negative toward Bitcoin.

I couldn't have said it any better. They have nothing to gain from Bitcoin as it can not be regulated by any law which means it won't fill their pockets.

If you talk about Singapore, again it makes no sense to take corruption into account.
Singapore is between the top 3 less corrupted countries in the world based on statistics in the last decade.

Is in this case you can't blame it on incompetence but also you can't blame it on corruption either.
And usually with one single example of a country acting different you really can't generalize.

Mexico is one of the most corrupted countries in the world (130)  yet it regulated bitcoin.
Morocco is 40 places higher (better) but it made bitcoin illegal.

Probably the best example (according to wiki) is Romania, one of the moSt corrupted countries in the EU.
Translated in sounds like: we're to stupid to figure this out.

As for my country, even less corrupted, BTC is legal but it is not considered money and it does not meat the requirements for legal tender.

The reason for this could be lack of information with people and it is because people are not having many things related to bitcoin, if you know bitcoin will increase in value and price if you and people of this country will support bitcoin and they will increase bitcoin earning for me. I am hopeful for bitcoin to be famous not only in Singapore but in a lot of other countries as well and it is the reason why bitcoin is being high in price and will be more high after this.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but it seems that nowhere in the world Bitcoin is "qualified" to be legal tender. Declaring Bitcoin a legal tender in some country would be equal to declaring it a national currency in that country, but why would they want that if they already have their own money? Apart from a few small countries such as Ecuador or Zimbabwe using the US dollar as their official currency, every country uses their own flavor of fiat, and I don't really think there's any country that is going to embrace Bitcoin fully in the foreseeable future.