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Title: Token economics
Post by: Hosam Mazawi on December 15, 2017, 12:23:20 AM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: chrisrok on December 15, 2017, 12:26:18 AM
well, probably a real benefit for token holders?!


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Hosam Mazawi on December 15, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
well, probably a real benefit for token holders?!

Everyone is claiming to do that, but so little actually did or di


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: cryptodevs on December 15, 2017, 07:01:08 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?
you should consider the previous projects of the developers and their integrity,or its product if they have existing product would be a good sign.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: ben_btctalk on December 15, 2017, 07:03:02 PM
It gives us people to involve in the projects that we want, we use and get benefits from those projects.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: disconnectme on December 15, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
I don't think people are really interested in what the token does but to speculate on its potential for profit in future, the space is still young and will be difficult to come up with real data to study the economics of these tokens


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: bitgolden on December 20, 2017, 04:45:00 AM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?
Just as for every coin to have a certain success the token has to have its real power and recognition, recently from Ether Delta they have allocated several types of tokens that have no use for the users besides simply pouring an absurd amount of money in the form of token.

But we do have some caveats in this environment, several good projects come out every day and their tokens just come out in the middle of so much junk.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Onestepinhell on December 20, 2017, 04:52:50 AM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?
Just as for every coin to have a certain success the token has to have its real power and recognition, recently from Ether Delta they have allocated several types of tokens that have no use for the users besides simply pouring an absurd amount of money in the form of token.

But we do have some caveats in this environment, several good projects come out every day and their tokens just come out in the middle of so much junk.
Yes, I agree a lot of unnecessary coins appeared on the market and in this rubbish it is necessary to find normal coins.
When entering the market have a small price like all (((


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: MirandaGreen12 on December 20, 2017, 04:58:24 AM
First of all you should always remember, ICOs are a high-risk way of fundraising. Never invest anything you can’t completely afford to lose. Keep in mind that due to a lack of regulation, you will have difficulty getting back your lost money in case of any failures.

The project economics and integration of the token into the product should be described in detail on the website and in WhitePaper. And it should be concrete and not abstract reasoning

Token should be fully integrated into the company structure. Investors should clearly understand why the token will gain value along with the success of this project.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Raist on December 20, 2017, 05:09:45 AM
Have you heard recently about Earthcoin, Fethercoin, Auroracoin, Megacoin, 42? There were hundreds of those during crypto coins hype. Only several left with good trading volumes or sometimes also lucky like Monacoin-)). How many of those at least 3 years old coins can you see now in top 100? 7? 9?
The same with tokens. Useless garbage will rest in peace somewhere in world ethereum and useful ones will gain profit&glory to their owners.  :) And everything will go back to the way that it was.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: zolfa on December 20, 2017, 05:18:34 AM
I think the arrangements and management that can make the economy takeen better, and that should be owned by the businessman is professionalism. because that will bring his business into success.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Hosam Mazawi on December 21, 2017, 12:53:16 PM
I think the arrangements and management that can make the economy takeen better, and that should be owned by the businessman is professionalism. because that will bring his business into success.

The problem not many people know this field and some just throw out some bad token economy while retail investors dont even know about it


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: sparg on December 21, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
We are still at the beginning of this kinf of investment (ICO). There are two categories of enthusiast:
1. THE DEVELOPERS. People with ideas that saw how other managed to raise millions for they`re project and qiuckly draft a whitepaper with no real studies to back it up and release it on the web. Some ideas are good and manage to bring money and after that they eventually contract proffesional to manage the project and to develop it.
2. THE INVESTORS. The vast majority of them invest recless into all kind of projects that promiss them fast profits and dont event plann to keep the funds into that project. Once the coin/token lauches most of them sell for a qucik proffit.

I think that with time this market will mature and most of the shitty projects will dessapear and this will become a much safer enviroment to invest in.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: hheight on December 21, 2017, 01:13:16 PM
A key factor in the price of any cryptocurrency is its utility. If you cannot use it for something, be it an investment or for payments, then it would have no or little perceived value.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: qazgroup on December 21, 2017, 01:28:29 PM
For me i prefer projects with low supply abd profit sharing, other than that i like new technology projects like aion, cardano and universa etc.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Sniar on December 21, 2017, 01:28:52 PM
First of all you should always remember, ICOs are a high-risk way of fundraising. Never invest anything you can’t completely afford to lose. Keep in mind that due to a lack of regulation, you will have difficulty getting back your lost money in case of any failures.

The project economics and integration of the token into the product should be described in detail on the website and in WhitePaper. And it should be concrete and not abstract reasoning

Token should be fully integrated into the company structure. Investors should clearly understand why the token will gain value along with the success of this project.

You're telling a right things.
A person should spend on ICO only the funds he/she can afford to loose. When I'm reading a people pledging their houses to buy some bitcoins I'm going nuts.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Hosam Mazawi on December 22, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
For me i prefer projects with low supply abd profit sharing, other than that i like new technology projects like aion, cardano and universa etc.

Different strategies bring different results


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: sgenuine on December 22, 2017, 08:22:58 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?

The ICO is too risky a way of making money and before investing we must understand all the risks that can lead to the loss of our funds, but the settlement could help avoid many fraudulent projects.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: alexcopper on December 22, 2017, 08:54:15 PM
If you're interested in token economics, you should look into polymath's ico. Their platform allows companies to launch their security tokens projects. Basically the stock market on blockchain.

I recommend joining their telegram fro updates: https://t.me/joinchat/GmbozxFfmqF4UkueyZVoig


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: G14tz87 on December 22, 2017, 09:04:15 PM
The token economics is a contingency management system based on systematically strengthening target behavior. The amplifier is a symbol or "token" that can be exchanged with other reinforcers. The token economy is based on the principles of operant conditioning and economic behavior and can be placed in an analysis of applied behavior.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: covfefe_ on December 22, 2017, 09:15:02 PM
Most of the tokens have no real concept and are issued just for profit of the issuer or as a fundraiser for the startup. The value of tokens are entirely upto how the initial investors would be able to fool the new investors.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Hosam Mazawi on January 05, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
Most of the tokens have no real concept and are issued just for profit of the issuer or as a fundraiser for the startup. The value of tokens are entirely upto how the initial investors would be able to fool the new investors.

This is huge challenge as the smart people are still not involved to build the right economy of token


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Tylev on January 05, 2018, 06:43:43 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?
Just as for every coin to have a certain success the token has to have its real power and recognition, recently from Ether Delta they have allocated several types of tokens that have no use for the users besides simply pouring an absurd amount of money in the form of token.

But we do have some caveats in this environment, several good projects come out every day and their tokens just come out in the middle of so much junk.
I agree that there is a sense in holding an ICO. Some tokens produced are very necessary and useful. There are, of course, a lot of unnecessary coins, but such will remove the market. This is natural selection. Just before investing in ICO, you should first of all be interested not in the nearest profit opportunity, but in the quality of the project and the usefulness of the token.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: gantez on January 05, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?

What the business model should have is dependent on the ico companies. If they are sincere in themselves and after the ico campaign, they continue with their promises and people are not disappointed; then, they would have sent a better model.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Emperor of Man on January 05, 2018, 07:20:58 PM
ICOs are better if:

- They have a solid team and the devs know what they're doing.
- They have a good supportive community backing up the project.
- They want to raise a proper sum of money. A very big cap or a very small cap are not good.
- They have a good idea and will probably have real world usage.

Always do your research before investing. :)


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: ben_btctalk on January 11, 2018, 01:54:57 AM
ICOs are better if:

- They have a solid team and the devs know what they're doing.
- They have a good supportive community backing up the project.
- They want to raise a proper sum of money. A very big cap or a very small cap are not good.
- They have a good idea and will probably have real world usage.

Always do your research before investing. :)

good suggestions. also advisors are important. i'm not mentioning about those just on paper advisors but real ones.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: last7minutes on January 11, 2018, 01:02:57 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?

Tokens serve only as speculative tools and very often 1-2 years after completion of the ICO become useless. If there were stocks instead of tokens, then the situation would be much better.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: lumeire on January 11, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?

Tokens serve only as speculative tools and very often 1-2 years after completion of the ICO become useless. If there were stocks instead of tokens, then the situation would be much better.

Yes they are speculative tools but believe me, they don't always become useless. Once a working product is developed and marketed, these tokens get really valuable, especially the ones that offer profit sharing dividends to holders.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: AiwonOleh on January 11, 2018, 01:53:59 PM
It is a really hard choice to invest in, because even a very promising and innovative project can not get stuck in the market and lose everything.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Philip Graham on January 11, 2018, 01:58:23 PM
First of all you should always remember, ICOs are a high-risk way of fundraising. Never invest anything you can’t completely afford to lose. Keep in mind that due to a lack of regulation, you will have difficulty getting back your lost money in case of any failures.

The project economics and integration of the token into the product should be described in detail on the website and in WhitePaper. And it should be concrete and not abstract reasoning

Token should be fully integrated into the company structure. Investors should clearly understand why the token will gain value along with the success of this project.

Cant argue with your opinion. But I'm in doubt. I'n interested in Blockshow project, I trust them and was in Singapore last yeah at their conference..But they dont have WP..Is it a bad sign?


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: martin1221 on January 11, 2018, 02:01:14 PM
Maybe before we go buy the coin in ico, make sure we have some research about it,  what are their plans, if they are trustworthy enough and how active they are,  and most of all, its a legit. Because right now, percentage of successful ico have been decrease.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: ClvrGmr on January 12, 2018, 09:05:22 AM
You should do a deep research. A great way is to start in the team members and advisors. Mostly a great ico has a great team and advisors who have previous experiences to other successful ICOs. Other factors may give you insights but you must knos the team more than any other.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: K0korap on January 12, 2018, 09:14:02 AM
Actually token economics follow the conventional trend of economics. It's hard to understand because the supply and demand in this platform are modernized. one example is how exclusivity of tokens greatly affects how companies can profit from the entire crypto currencies. Thisng like this are emphasized in the token economy.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Lerikaweb on January 12, 2018, 09:20:19 AM
It is a simple startup. You invest money in an idea. When it is realized (if realized to be concrete), you'd get profit from its sales.  But ico differs from a real startup due to the fact you have no chance to get your money back if it scams.


Title: Re: Token economics
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Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: Xxmodded on January 12, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?


I guess you've passed a lot of ico, as you say. and I think you have a lot of experience. so why would you ask, because you already have experience and knowledge. know it all depends on experience and knowledge to choose and get a good ico generate many benefits.


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: aoluain on January 12, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?

real world blockchain solutions to disrupt traditional business!
just like what Storj and SIA are proposing to do for example.

Dont forget our community is centered around decentralised
and unregulated blockchains, exactly what Satoshi Nakamoto
proposed with Bitcoin.

What goes hand in hand with the business model of a particular
project is adoption. without anyone using the proposed crypto
its not going to go anywhere.

I have mentioned it before but there is too much emphasis on
buying ico tokens purely to cash in once it goes live on an exchange.

What make a project successful long term isnt the price of the
token on coinmarketcap, its useage!


Title: Re: Token economics
Post by: ehab.co on January 12, 2018, 06:08:18 PM
I have been going through dozens of ICO's with shitty token economics that makes nonsense sometimes.

What can drive or make the token economics better? What should  the business model have?

real world blockchain solutions to disrupt traditional business!
just like what Storj and SIA are proposing to do for example.

Dont forget our community is centered around decentralised
and unregulated blockchains, exactly what Satoshi Nakamoto
proposed with Bitcoin.

What goes hand in hand with the business model of a particular
project is adoption. without anyone using the proposed crypto
its not going to go anywhere.

I have mentioned it before but there is too much emphasis on
buying ico tokens purely to cash in once it goes live on an exchange.

What make a project successful long term isnt the price of the
token on coinmarketcap, its useage!
This is absolutely the nail on the head. You can have the most well thought out token economics, but if the idea of your business does not address a big enough market, or does not solve that problem an order of magnitude better than your competitors, then people won't want to use your solution. Token economics is actually simple. If there is money flowing into the system (people want to use your product/service) the price will trend up. If people don't want to the price will be completely at the hands of speculators and likely crash and burn.