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Title: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
http://www.phonearena.com/news/TSMC-says-its-supply-of-28nm-chips-continues-to-be-low_id40077

28NM process demand is highly exceeding its supply all over the world. The news above just a typical example ,for further information you can google it.
However,  Is anyone still dreaming that those ASIC mining rigs companies can get its 28NM standard chips into production?

If you still believing that those small ASICs Mining rigs companies can do it ...then you are delusional and too naive...you are setting fire on your BTC investment.

anyone invest your BTC relate with this 28NM concept, I can fairly say that before 22NM become mainstream , you won't see anything return from your current
investment, The time wasting could be a year or couple of years.

Asking you self , what makes you think those manufactures will gives up big quantity of orders which come from APPLE or Nvidia ,instead to producing those small
scale of order from ASICs mining rigs companies?  


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: yuchuanzhen on July 20, 2013, 03:10:53 AM
KNC&&AMC


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: ArcticWolf on July 20, 2013, 03:13:57 AM
KNC&&AMC

Yep both making their own chips for new machines :)


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 03:14:09 AM
KNC&&AMC
People rich, too naive, come quick to cheat on them....


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 03:15:59 AM
KNC&&AMC

Yep both making their own chips for new machines :)

I hope their hand job can catching up with the demand.....


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: vlaoou321 on July 20, 2013, 04:15:09 AM
 ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 04:21:16 AM
??? ??? ???
Anything unclear?


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Vbs on July 20, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
Sucks for TSMC then! :P

Good to know that ActM isn't getting much competition from there, since it uses Global Foundries and Fujitsu! ;D
http://www.easic.com/migration-to-cell-based-asic/easic-ecosystem/


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 10:55:14 AM
Sucks for TSMC then! :P

Good to know that ActM isn't getting much competition from there, since it uses Global Foundries and Fujitsu! ;D
http://www.easic.com/migration-to-cell-based-asic/easic-ecosystem/
Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ?


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: worldinacoin on July 20, 2013, 11:00:54 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Meizirkki on July 20, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
Smells like lulz ;D


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Mota on July 20, 2013, 11:20:17 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.

Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten...


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Meizirkki on July 20, 2013, 11:22:50 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.

Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten...
damn it! You're ruining all the fun  ::)


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 11:26:20 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.

Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten...
You assuming that situation is changed ,so just let it be. I won't invest any of my BTC related with this 28nm conceptual product. However ,go google it or write a email to ask those very few companies have 28nm process facilities. Semiconductor industrial isn't like other manufacture,the cost of producing new 28nm product is far beyond those small ASICs mining companies' affordability.


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 11:31:59 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.

Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten...
when I am free ,I can google out more evidences for you.
Please,Be realistic .


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Mota on July 20, 2013, 11:37:06 AM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.

Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten...
You assuming that situation is changed ,so just let it be. I won't invest any of my BTC related with this 28nm conceptual product. However ,go google it or write a email to ask those very few companies have 28nm process facilities. Semiconductor industrial isn't like other manufacture,the cost of producing new 28nm product is far beyond those small ASICs mining companies' affordability.
Affordability? Are you kidding me? They have more than 4 million in preorder money... "small" does not mean they can't afford it. Google is/was a "small" company and look at their revenues before even going for the stockmarket...

Also: Doubleposting? Really? Why Edit if you can make your postcount rise...


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Taxidermista on July 20, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
So do you think 4 millions is something?  ???


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Mota on July 20, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
So do you think 4 millions is something?  ???

It's enough. They stated it before somewhere, dunno where exactly. But if you look at the pricing for 28nm 2,8 million is the minimum you should have...


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 11:46:04 AM
So do you think 4 millions is something?  ?? ;D?
28nm process production line is something worth more than billion dollar .
Orders from those GPU and mobile devices is a incredible amount.

There are only few companies in the world have the infrastructure to producing it.
U think that compare those giant companies with ASICs mining companies who will get served?

4 millions isn't attractive amount for them, this what I considered .


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Vbs on July 20, 2013, 01:15:09 PM
Sucks for TSMC then! :P

Good to know that ActM isn't getting much competition from there, since it uses Global Foundries and Fujitsu! ;D
http://www.easic.com/migration-to-cell-based-asic/easic-ecosystem/
Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ?

Splattered on their front page news... C'mon, at least do your homework... ::)


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: titomane on July 20, 2013, 01:19:17 PM
So do you think 4 millions is something?  ?? ;D?
28nm process production line is something worth more than billion dollar .
Orders from those GPU and mobile devices is a incredible amount.

There are only few companies in the world have the infrastructure to producing it.
U think that compare those giant companies with ASICs mining companies who will get served?

4 millions isn't attractive amount for them, this what I considered .
I seemed to understand they were using Altera Hardcopy. KNC not who makes the request to TSMC, GlobalFoundries etc ...
Knc places an order  Altera . Make hardcopy their FPGA.

Altera is about to present its catalog with 22nm (posible foundries INTEL & TSMC)


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 01:58:35 PM
Sucks for TSMC then! :P

Good to know that ActM isn't getting much competition from there, since it uses Global Foundries and Fujitsu! ;D
http://www.easic.com/migration-to-cell-based-asic/easic-ecosystem/
Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ?

Splattered on their front page news... C'mon, at least do your homework... ::)
Again,which news? I used internal search isn't finding anything related to 28nm. :-[


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
So do you think 4 millions is something?  ?? ;D?
28nm process production line is something worth more than billion dollar .
Orders from those GPU and mobile devices is a incredible amount.

There are only few companies in the world have the infrastructure to producing it.
U think that compare those giant companies with ASICs mining companies who will get served?

4 millions isn't attractive amount for them, this what I considered .
I seemed to understand they were using Altera Hardcopy. KNC not who makes the request to TSMC, GlobalFoundries etc ...
Knc places an order  Altera . Make hardcopy their FPGA.

Altera is about to present its catalog with 22nm (posible foundries INTEL & TSMC)
I am not going to specific which companies,but I mean folks better be aware of this situation.


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Jimmy2011 on July 20, 2013, 04:49:24 PM
I remembered some statements that ActM will conduct a combinations of 65nm, 40nm and 28nm products. Right?


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 06:05:58 PM
This is ridiculous,

Thread is pure FUD, anyone reading that article knows that Bitcoin ASICS represent less than .1% of all the chips these foundries would make.

This particular foundry said they have close to 100% market share simply because Apple is on board with them.


Go home OP your drunk.

Be prudent is always a better choice than taking risk.
Those ASICs companies said they will going to delivering its chips on October 2013,we will find out by that time,whether I am worry too much or investors being ripped.
Seems people are so essay to forgot what BFL did with them.
If you wish take the risk,that is your choice,but what I do is providing some information only .
Make you own judegement,no one will help you if you get played


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 20, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
I remembered some statements that ActM will conduct a combinations of 65nm, 40nm and 28nm products. Right?

Do not know about AMC,I just mean that demand of 28nm process is highly exceeding its supply all over the world.
I do not want to get involved in any thing like I am going to attacking other's business' goodwill. What I do is providing more information for investors to deriving its own judegement. :)

Regard


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: joeventura on July 20, 2013, 06:47:32 PM
From what I know TSMC's yield on 28nm is an industry high, i the supply remains low, I guess it is the demand is far more than what their foundries can produce.   It takes a long time to be able to ramp up production on such wafer plants.
Those Lucky investors will be burned like real cat on the pan.

Wow. Posting a 5 months old article here and trying to scare people away from investing so you can get more out of it? Geez, sometimes I feel like this forum is worse than Kindergarten...
You assuming that situation is changed ,so just let it be. I won't invest any of my BTC related with this 28nm conceptual product. However ,go google it or write a email to ask those very few companies have 28nm process facilities. Semiconductor industrial isn't like other manufacture,the cost of producing new 28nm product is far beyond those small ASICs mining companies' affordability.

Your're pushing the shovel too far up the tree if you want the chicken to cross the road without getting a case of athletes foot!!



Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: greaterninja on July 20, 2013, 07:09:04 PM
Tsmc will most likely come to us as they are a partner.  

I think many of you fail to realize that even an order of 1 million asic chips is very small for us.  We do revenue in the millions of USD per day.


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: minternj on July 20, 2013, 07:24:39 PM
Tsmc will most likely come to us as they are a partner.  

I think many of you fail to realize that even an order of 1 million asic chips is very small for us.  We do revenue in the millions of USD per day.


Who's "us" and "we"?


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: Vbs on July 20, 2013, 09:06:08 PM
Sucks for TSMC then! :P

Good to know that ActM isn't getting much competition from there, since it uses Global Foundries and Fujitsu! ;D
http://www.easic.com/migration-to-cell-based-asic/easic-ecosystem/
Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ?

Splattered on their front page news... C'mon, at least do your homework... ::)
Again,which news? I used internal search isn't finding anything related to 28nm. :-[

http://www.easic.com/easic-contact/28-nm-registration/

The info is still under wraps for the general public.


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: TheSwede75 on July 21, 2013, 12:04:49 AM
More fun to point out blatant lies in their ads and website in my opinion. "Worlds first upgradeable bitcoin miner" . . Yeah. . If you don't count FPGA, AVALON or any DYI projects..

 ::)


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: TheSwede75 on July 21, 2013, 12:06:04 AM
Sucks for TSMC then! :P

Good to know that ActM isn't getting much competition from there, since it uses Global Foundries and Fujitsu! ;D
http://www.easic.com/migration-to-cell-based-asic/easic-ecosystem/
Only see eAsic using 45nm for its own product.where have you seen it has 28nm infrastructure ?

Splattered on their front page news... C'mon, at least do your homework... ::)
Again,which news? I used internal search isn't finding anything related to 28nm. :-[

http://www.easic.com/easic-contact/28-nm-registration/

The info is still under wraps for the general public.

Pre-registration and production... Obviously same thing..


Title: Re: TSMC says its supply of 28nm chips continues to be low
Post by: SOSLOVE868 on July 22, 2013, 01:37:01 AM

Pre-registration and production... Obviously same thing..
what ?   its same thing???