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Why? Because there are so much more technologies that are safer, more reliable than BTC is or any other network of cryptocurrency. :]

You should actually explain what you mean and maybe cite some other currencies. Otherwise this is very pointless.

What an argument! Did you come in first place for your middle school debate club?

How about you detail some of these magical technologies that are better than the SHA256 encryption system that's been applied to the blockchain and is serving as the primary means of keeping the network stable (something it has managed to do for almost a decade now). You really need to offer up some interesting information and formulate an argument, since this bait is pretty weak anyways and isn't worth engaging in the condition it is currently.

*piece*

I doubt you mean that it is quiet or non-aggressive.
Nice first post though.

"BTC is a peace of shit"

as opposed to what?  A "war" of shit?  I am so confused.

Please quote or refer links to support your comment.

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why you are angry so much ? when ppl are say thing in this way i understand full story of how they sell all bitcoin too early :P
bitcoin is saviour of many lives of normal mens who never dream of have even ten thousands dollar at one time now these ppls are having hundreds of thousands to enjoy with famaily
this should make you happy perseon to see how the world is like , you should not have sold your coin to early my firend :D

Ok, guys. Let's start with basics. I.e. let's empasize a fact where ABSOLUTELY every currency fails now. :)

Try to download BTC/ETH/SHITCOIN wallet. How much time will it take to sync with network? Eternity? :)

Well, this should happen instantly actually, but currently it does not. Why? :D

But people talk about the 'McDonalds factor'.  Is Mcd's the best hamburger restaurant?  Maybe not, but it was this first to become a major fast-food franchise, and has remained enormously successful  There may be many more Crypto currencies, but BitCoin will always be the original...

 ;)

You can't just say Bitcoin is a piece of shit and post a liner and thing everyone will agree with you on this. At least give us the names of the so called technologies that are supposedly better and safer than bitcoins.

Why does downloading a wallet have to be instant? If you do it once you have it forever. If you had to do this every time you wanted to make a transaction you'd have a stronger point. I personally have never downloaded a wallet for any of my Bitcoin. I've created my own.

I would say that Bitcoin is not a piece of shit, but each is entitled to their own opinion.

Right now, Bitcoin is a pretty big deal. A lot of people will make a fortune off it and a lot of others may end up losing a crazy amount of money. The blood bath is exciting!

Hello you know all people are totally different each from other but very similar in general! So you don't need to accept it so negative. You know really a read here tha a lot of people have no any chances to change their life before cryptocurrency but bitcoin is powerful opportunity and its great!

The Lightning Network is in its final stages of development, and will allow just about all the things cryptocurrencies don't, and with all the cryptos together, and even added fiats and governments, and super speed confirmations - https://lightning.network/.

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uh oh ppls we have genious on the loose in this place  :D :D ;D

i joke with you
actually i wish i had ability like this , very important to build own wallet to protect coin . i use greenbits on android for me this is perfect wallet ever created for bitcoin . no sync needed not even once i have need to sync wallet

even it tell to you the weight of transaction , it is advanced further than many of the other wallet that are available

Maybe a BlockTree of BlockChain instead? :]

I was not talking about downloading it. I was talking about syncing with the whole network.

And this must be instant, because it would ensure maintainability of the network and it's protocol. Currently, you must have the whole blockchain to verify it's credibility/integrity relative to other nodes which is complete nonsense. Why should I care about billions of other blocks when I just want to open my wallet, and that's it? I just want this network to be able to allow me to give me relevant rules and ability to receive coins without the need to sync with network for lots of days/months/years depending on the speed of my intenert. :D

He can't even spell it right and that's his first post on the forum.

My idea of how this day has started for our OP.
-Honey, did you hear that bitcoin is worth today 8 times more than it was last year?
-what? I knew i should have invested in it! F you bitcoiners! I'm going to pour my hate on you!

My time to sync is 8 hours from a fresh wallet that I downloaded off of the internet and had to set up from scratch, disregarding any sort of additional data I may have which would speed up the process or allow for me to have the data ready to go. That is a few hundred gigs of data and isn't something normal, yet I can get it done in 8 hours.

Now look at the network infrastructure designed for credit cards, debit cards, all sorts of cards that have to communicate with some server at a location. Far more extensive and harder to set up, with a much larger time investment for the company. Why is that? It could only be 8 hours at most to beat Bitcoin.

Alternatively, for your "instant" sync, why not use a lightweight wallet? Mind answering this?

What the h*** are you saying ?
You have problems in installing wallets and you are angry about BTC ? Common.
Maybe you have internet problems.

Try to be more specific. It's not the only crap users are facing here everyday certainly nowadays that btc is trying to cope up to massive adaptation. Maybe a lot worst.
There are interventions coming soon. You don't have to worry about anything in my opinion.

Sure. :rolleyes:

try greenbits wallet for android , most advance bitcoin wallet available for us

Are you a monkey or what? It looks like you are unable to think logically if you are saying this shit. :] What I am talking about, is that BTC network/protocol is bad, and eventually everyone of you will lose lots of money. However, in my case I have already won lots of money, since I have started when most of you didn't know about the BTC. Concretely, I have sold 200 BTC a couple of days ago. Is it small amount of mon ey? For some people maybe. But for me this is more than enough until my life ends, so... :D

What specificity are you missing about the whole protocol being a piece of shit, unsafe, and a way to lose all of your money? :D

Lucky you. But still, 8 hours is way way too much... Complete sync should take less than a second if it would be properly organized and architectured at the first place.

More safer and reliable technologies than BTC? Can you give example for that and explain why? Because you sound rude on your topic sir. If you don't believe in bitcoin just be it and explain why.

I think you are just angry about the fact that you knew about BTC only now, when it costs $19k.
If you would have about dozen of BTC you would not definitely say that it is shit!)

Well, I am rude on BTC itself, not on any person who uses it for something. As I have mentioned, I have myself made lots of money out of it. But still, this does not mean that someone else will get rich in the same way as I did. I was just lucky, and that's it. So, I won't put my money in BTC again, because I don't believe it will reach 1M USD as someone thinks about.

However, the problems I am worried about are already mentioned by me in this topic. However, I will still list them out:
1. Wallet creation and sync takes too much time. In other words, if you want to participate in this network, you have to wait lots of time.
2. Encryption is not quantum-proof. This means that bitcoin has no way to protect itself against quantum attacks. However, there are already cryptographical principles which allow to do so, and they are mathematically proven as correct ones.
3. No regulation in law of any important country. I.e. let's take gold. Every country in the world tries to have more and more gold which shows that gold is at least a way to save your money from inflation. And BTC? No one serious recognizes it in law still. So, you can't know if BTC will be forbidden by US tomorrow or not. In other words, there are still too much unknown, and it is strange that so many people believe in BTC. Out of this belief, I was able to get rich a bit myself. For that I am very grateful. But also I am worried that these nice people will lose their money eventually. ANd lots of money.

I don't know which of the wallet you downloaded.Bitcoin wallets are easily downloadable and i have not found any syncing issues.You could try Electrum.Its true that its said that quantum computers might be a threat o bitcoin.but it may take almost twenty more years for quantum computers to get introduced and we have ample of time to make it quantum proof.Gold is an asset which is stored by many countries as reserve and we could not compare bitcoin with it.Bitcoin could not be completely banned unless internet gets banned.So its practically not possible to completely ban bitcoin.

So you are concern now that other users might lose all their money?
Now for a time I think your a good person concerning that way.
But why be so furious calling bitcoin shit ?
Bitcoin core always find ways to be functional. And sometimes everything's misunderstood.
As users we can not do much for the system but to support it.

Yes bitcoin is very slow, high fees, not acknowledged as legal nor illegal in some countries but like you, you have trusted bitcoin once.
And some are just starting to do so.
Everyone here is advised not to invest all their money and that makes them liable to their loss.

With respect.

This guys wanna start a war to bitcoin. are you goverment agent?? LOL
well if you say that would you give support to your argument

You didn't address the factor that light wallets exist that allow for people to have their wallets ready to go basically right from the get go, at a slight cost to security. Could you please specify something that these forms of wallets don't do that you want wallets to be doing? It doesn't look like you read my post to completion when you made that response. Conventional fiat networks do the same as online wallets do, their "sync" is just reliant on the bank to go through their accounts and make sure they update their information.

So you have some material to go off of, you could look into MultiBit, alternatively you could choose to look into what online wallets allow for users to do (again at a slight cost to security).

Funny is now, how all those polite and sound voices are lining up behind bitcoin, quite smiling and nodding,
now backed by big money brokers from chicago.
In just two months those brokers pushed the price of BTC
more than two-thirds of what this world-wide community had achieved over several years.

Is that a decentralized currency now, wow.
Yeah, and its so independent and fresh.

BTC is the opportunists first choice.
I think that is in total contrary to Satoshi Nakamoto.
It's like the definition of what contrary is.

??? enlight me , what's better than blockchain technologies ? Encrypted ones ?

Wow co za origynalny poster tutaj. Bitcoin wschodzi na $20,0000, a teraz wiecej i wiecej bedzie wychodzilo po za płot. It's funny how original your argument is and what lack of defense it has. I think you need to study more about what you're going against, examine your biases please.

No, its not a "peace" of shit, its a war of shit  :D

Lets get this troll trolled  ;D

Be this how vaidotas starts his one-man newbie account war against Bitcoin, he will end resting in pieces.

(Your turn.)


The grapes are sour, anyway.


Liar.


If you want to use Bitcoin the most secure way, the way which puts you fully in control (https://bitcoin.org/en/download), then there is a cost to that.  Duh.  Otherwise, just use Electrum (https://electrum.org/) or another reputable light wallet.  Last time I tried Electrum, it took about two or three minutes to sync with the network the first time—and that’s through Tor (much slower).


You’re a moron if you believe that a hypothetical quantum computer which may possibly come to exist in the future makes Bitcoin insecure now.  You’re also a moron if you’re worried about quantum computer attacks on Bitcoin, but you don’t worry about the security of the banking system and the whole Internet; those are much more vulnerable to quantum computers than Bitcoin is.  Actually, you’re simply a moron, period.  It is self-evident that you are grossly deficient in useful knowledge of security, cryptography—and orthography.

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So what?  Yawn.  There are always unknown future legal risks in any store of value which does not derive directly from the State—as well as those which do derive from the State, and can be devalued or seized by the State at any time.  That’s not an argument specific to Bitcoin.  It is an argument that you are manifestly ill-equipped to handle the risks inherent to the state of being alive.

On a related note, here attempting to pull something sensible from your conflated non-argument about gold:  I should inform you that gold has been banned in the United States (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2552381.msg26015394#msg26015394).  “Hoarding” individual wealth in gold was banned from 1 May 1933 until 31 December 1974.  Vast amounts of gold bullion were confiscated from people, who were forced to accept instead the Monopoly Money known as “United States Dollars”.  Numerous individuals were criminally prosecuted for attempting to keep their gold.  This is an historical fact; and if it happened before, it could happen again.  Now, why don’t you go FUD gold.  In “the land of the free” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2595534.msg26417042#msg26417042), gold could be banned again, too.  Gold is an insecure peace of shoot!!  Gold has no value!!  Everybody who buys gold will lose all their money!!  The sky is falling!!

P.S.:


To be clear, I am being rude to you.  I am so doing, because I despise imbeciles; and I find it mildly amusing to insult them.  Please take it personally.

Agreed, Current version of bitcoin simply cant handle the volume its currently under. Now, If the next fork has the protocol made more efficient, Then that will be a different story.

Is it just me or is there an influx of internet trolls regarding Bitcoin lately? I am seeing them everywhere, on forums, in the Slack I talk in about BTC. I wonder who is trying to use trolls to devalue BTC? Is it a paid campaign?

Because of the btc we are here. Satoshi nakamoto invented this. You are right, somany cryptocurrency are there, they came After btc. Widly accepted. So btc is best

Most of the problems you mentioned are valid. But, tell me a cryptocurrency that is as big as bitcoin in terms of no of transactions and doesn't have those problems + all the qualities of bitcoin. My guess is "none"

No body push you to use bitcoin  :D . If you don't like it so leave it  :D . I different with you, I open minded enough to learn any new technology, and I prefer like to use bitcoin rather than other, I am interested in bitcoin because it feature and other factor like the increasing price and volatility.

Hmm, if OP think that "BTC is a 'peace' of shit" - then it's better for you to stay away as far as possible from it. After all, it won't do any good for you...

I like the good old words, "One's man shit is another man's treasure"  ;D

Dude, you are humiliating yourself ;D
When bitcoin fall, all other coin will follow. That's how important the pioneer is, to gain market trust.

Sounds like you are doing the typical "Buy High and Sell Low" technique and just can't figure out why you aren't making any money.  We LOVE people like you!

ok, if im not mistakenly absorbed your point of argument, you are having trouble in setting up your btc wallet, setting it up is really not that fast to sync, the system is syncing and checking your details and also depending on your internet speed, it is really not as fast as setting up a facebook account. maybe next time be careful what words you are using and backed it up with supporting links before you post an argumentative posts. just a "peace" of advice.

I would have to disagree. A piece of shit you can actually hold in your hand. Though you wouldn't want to.

They do this all the time just to get attention and wishing someone would listen and believe to what they are saying, a typical FUD spreader whos job is to put negative point of view into bitcoin.

  So.. you just sold 200 BTC and it Set you up for life...and you come here and call it shi-, really , cause it think I would be knee deep in some fine woman(S) and drinkin Dom, NOT trolling a BTC board if I just banked 4 mil.. Peace out POSER.

I just do not understand those people who keeps on making bad comments regarding bitcoin. As a bitcoiner, we must be cautious on what we post. You cannot just post anything you want without any basis or evidence that might support your queries. We have to think logically.

This is a comment without any basis if you say BTC is shitting then turns out everyone on this forum are looking for shit for them. You should say things that BTC makes you angry than just say a few words with the BTC because everything has it's own solution that. I find the BTC very potential if you know how to exploit and invest it will bring huge profits for each person.  ;D

“Though you wouldn't want to.” → I would suggest not making unwarranted assumptions about OP’s private, personal peccadillos, or lack thereof.  He seems the type.

Also, thanks for giving me a new argument against people who object to Bitcoin on the basis that “you can’t hold a bitcoin in your hand.”

Clearly you dont understand how bitcoin work. Maybe you should research a bit and understand bitcoin before you post senselessly.

Bitcoin,was the originak cryptocurrency, so it's price is pretty high currently and it has more popularity than any other altcoin. You can't just call it 'shit', there might be other good coins with better security, but still bitcoin was the first to come and other coins came out late.Still if you see most of the people would like to invest in bitcoins and that is the reason it's price keeps on rising, still, if you want to compare it to any other coin you need to give their names, not just a statement like "btc is shit".

Well, regardless of how you feel, you have to acknowledge that bitcoin is a pioneer as the very first cryptocurrency and blockchain project. Other cryptocurrencies have surpassed bitcoin in some technical features, but arguably this has come at the expense of more centralization.

It is not right to say that Bitcoin is not reliable, so far Bitcoin has not been hacked. Only the stock market was hacked. I'm also curious about the other coins. Bitcoin does not say there are no shortcomings, eg 51% Attack and Double Spending are still not resolved. But I believe that Bitcoin is evolving.

I think OP missed the 3rd topic in this forum "Low quality topics do not belong here"

Even if it's not the best tech solution it was the first which got major media coverage and therefore opens the way for a lot new field of cryptocurrencies

Agree, unlike other cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin has seen surprisingly have a little innovation or evolution, while many cryptocurrencies compete to offer better technologies. It's important to remind that it doesn't mean Bitcoin can't improve the technology. I believe Bitcoin and its community are ideologically committed to maintaining something close to its original design.

What are trying say here?  What are you trying to promote?  Which Altcoin do you want to sell? Why this so much hate if you are not trying to sell something. :P

I'm sorry but I'm very uncomfortable with the way you've misspelt piece....

If people really believed the thread title, somebody would have already developed BTP (not Bitproperty), BitToiletPaper coin.

 ;D

Leave the shit then, but don't regret when this shit becomes a 6 digits or more. ;D

 :D :D

We should encourage more ppl to invest at cryptoworld, why would you hate so much BTC when it can suistain your daily needs by just participating in some signature camp. Tell me not but BTC is the only source I'm getting to have some financial survival.

But based on the OP we are investing, trusting and supporting a shitty coin!
You, as legendary should know that newbies comments like this are the ones which are influencing the market? Have you seen the BTC drop after the OP post? BTC went down the, literally toilet! we're back to 0.5$ each bitcoin.. damn you guys not trusting this amazingly written topics!
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He is a troll, and not very good either. Anyone believe that someone who just sold 200 BTC would come in here and complain about it?

And, BTC is a revolution, a process!

I'm sorry to hear you feel this way about bitcoin. I'm sure others will disagree with you. Bitcoin has changed a lot of people for the better and long may it continue.

Lol , are you in consious that what you are saying . Here you mean to say that bitcoin technology is not much better than another one exists in cryptocurrency field or in another banking sector ( probably ) , but I don't think that it is truth because if any another better technology is available than why people are moving toward bitcoin ? why people are investing in bitcoin ? Why people are having more trust in bitcoin than in any another coin ? Why people are doing work in bitcoin even with the warning of government to not to invest in bitcoin ( for those where bitcoin is under analysis and not legalise ) .
These are clearly showing that there is nothing like bitcoin have quality and  technology that can be secure than what the bitcoin is .

According to me If you calculate can get 1 BTC per month with this faucet I think that you are just nonsense or miscalculation.

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you have really been here a long time use your real account instead of creating a new one.

If you really cashed out about $4,000,000 in profit then why are you here trolling?

Retire with your millions, move to the islands, leave us alone in our misery and future huge losses due to issues everyone knows about.

Incorrect.  Satoshi’s greatest innovation was repurposing “Hashcash” to build a Byzantine fault-tolerant decentralized database, which solves the double-spend problem without need of any trusted central authority.  The whole purpose of mining is to solve the double-spend problem.  The double-spend problem was resolved in 2008; you are behind on the news.


Say what?  Somebody has not been following the activation of Segwit and the roster of upcoming new technologies which Segwit will enable:  Lightning Network (needs Segwit’s tx malleability bugfix), Schnorr signatures (to be implemented without fork via Segwit’s script version system), MAST (same)....  Longer-term, I myself am looking forward to the R&D for mathematically provable advanced smart contracts with Simplicity (PDF) (https://blockstream.com/simplicity.pdf).

Certainly, Bitcoin is technologically conservative.  Core can’t afford to make a mistake with experimental technologies, drop a few hundred billion dollars worth of value on the floor, then say “oops”.  Bitcoin shall have no moment of meditating, “The DAO is empty;” and in Bitcoin thus, code shall remain law (https://web.archive.org/web/20160704190119/https://daohub.org/explainer.html)  But this does not imply a lack of innovation.  In the future, cutting-edge innovation will happen on sidechains as well-proved ideas get added to the main chain more slowly.


He’s an altruist.  A philanthropist, dripping with the milk of human kindness!  He desires to help people avoid the curse of being rich.

I really feel bad when I heard about bitcoin such a bad word because there is a possibility that may be you get some information about bitcoin or maybe there is a lack of knowledge about bitcoin so bitcoin is very good currency that’s why it's users are going to increased day by day and some countries are trying to accept bitcoin because bitcoin is can change any country economy situation and it also reduced unemployment in many country.

Bitcoin is more famous.
If you don't like, just don't buy it, you just miss the profit bitcoin can give you, it won't other people.

Why you all blame Bitcoin? Did you do anything which could help in its future development? Why don't just move to another altcoin? Bitcoin isn't as fast as it used to be but it doesn't mean that we have to abandon it. What we should do is try to make Bitcoin better by for example introducing Lightning Network which by the way is being tested on the Bitcoin's testnet network. Patience is key here.

No, bitcoin is first cryptocurrency, technologiesm and trusted   only have fee problem.

No one of altcoin will be better than bitcoin

Ok, if you don't want to waste time on sync, then download light wallet, you will find review about some wallets here so choose one of them or try every wallet yourself.
I agree with the fact that bitcoin needs some modification or it will end up soon, there are a lot of factors which weren't considered while creating bitcoin.
If you think that there are better alternatives, try them but let's think, if this bitcoin is a piece of shit, why does it become so popular in so short time?

You say bitcoin is a piece of shit, and yet you have signed up to a forum revolving around bitcoin?

This looks like a quality post. I'd like to see some actual reasoning.. I personally think there are a lot better coins on the technical side, but BTC has still set an incredible example. Shows us what can be accomplished with crypto and how much it can be worth. Also in general, Bitcoin has made the community much more well known than any other coin. That has its positives and negatives, but people are being exposed to the idea of cryptocurrency and I think that is key in making this a worldwide common thing.

You mean it's risky and it can go high a lot and go down very fast? If that's the case bitcoin and penny stocks are the same they can make u rich in a minute and banckrupt in a second so it's risky business

BTC sucks but idiots keep buying it so rid the train till it crashes baby  :)

'HODL your PEACE'   :-*