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Title: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: litecoin_messiah on July 23, 2013, 09:30:47 PM
If you Support Litecoin, STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are killing Litecoin's Economy


They charge insane withdrawal fee's, 0.5 Litecoin Per Withdrawal!

What does this do?

Most of the users who sign up to btc-e come there because they trust it as the most widely used litecon exchange, look at the volume and Purchase some Litecoin.

Then they try withdrawing it, and BAM they get slapped with a 0.5 LTC withdrawal fee notice, What do they do?

Most sell there Litecoin back and withdraw Bitcoin as fee is 0.001 BTC per Withdrawal,
But others go withdraw FTC as its 0.1 FTC per withdrawal.


0.5 LTC per withdrawal is VERY unnecessary,
1. Because they don't even pay any transaction fees with the amount of aged coins in there hot wallet.
2. Even if they paid transaction fees, They only would be paying 0.02 LTC per transaction on average.

They are Scam Artists, Who knows how much they stunted Litecoins growth and took advantage of being the most widely used exchange already.



I have already posted on the sub reddits i moderate http://reddit.com/r/litecoin and http://reddit.com/r/litecoinmining asking users to avoid it and switch to cryptsy or crypto-trade.com so that they take notice of the drop of volume and are forced to lower there fees.


They did lose a ton of Volume, Other exchanges have seen an exponential growth in there Volume....


What did BTC-E admins do though? They banned all my accounts on BTC-E, Keeping my Coins and Money in there funds, I mean real bans not even trollbox bans.

Then we saw Cryptsy go down due to DDOS attack, now i can't blame BTC-E for this but with this sort of character and with the only persons who could have such motive/will power for this all i could think of it is it is them, But don't let this comment void out my whole point here.


Support The Litecoin economy SAY NO TO BTC-E.



Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: nameface on July 23, 2013, 09:38:10 PM
Wtvr happened to Gox supporting LTC?


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: litecoin_messiah on July 23, 2013, 09:58:58 PM
Wtvr happened to Gox supporting LTC?

Who knows, they could add it anytime.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: FiiNALiZE on July 23, 2013, 10:12:19 PM
I agree.

0.5 LTC per withdrawal is pretty shoddy.

I mean, the network fees went down to 0.02 LTC so there is no reason for them to keep that insane fee.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: litecoin_messiah on July 23, 2013, 10:21:23 PM
I agree.

0.5 LTC per withdrawal is pretty shoddy.

I mean, the network fees went down to 0.02 LTC so there is no reason for them to keep that insane fee.

They just want to halt the growth of litecoins economy, we have to use cryptsy and other exchanges to avoid thiis


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: ilostcoins on July 23, 2013, 10:55:02 PM
What are the fees like in other exchanges?


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: Fablio2 on July 23, 2013, 11:00:38 PM
There Can Be Only One!

Forever Bitcoin!

All other currencies don't needed.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: xavenged on July 23, 2013, 11:08:27 PM

They just want to halt the growth of litecoins economy, we have to use cryptsy and other exchanges to avoid thiis

gonna start using crypto-trade. just logged into btc-e and saw your message about the pool as well. will start using that soon


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: superduh on July 23, 2013, 11:18:41 PM
they provide a service and wish to charge a fee for doing so. .5 is at today's rate about $1.5


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: digit on July 23, 2013, 11:41:45 PM
had some spare time so had a look around some of the exchanges

Comparison of some exchanges LTC withdrawal fees:
  • 0.03 LTC - cryptsy.com  (recently reduced, previously was 0.1 LTC)
  • 0.05 LTC - crypto-trade.com  (If you haven't registered yet, get some free XPM before doing so here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259927)) ;)
  • 0.10 LTC - mcxnow.com
  • 0.10 LTC - coins-e.com
  • 0.10 LTC - vircurex.com
  • ?.?? LTC - bter.com
  • 0.50 LTC - btc-e
  • 0.10 LTC - upbit.org

I never used btc-e, so just re-quoting you there.
 
  
 


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: EvilLizardApparel on July 23, 2013, 11:44:33 PM
They have overhead...hosting fees, employees/developers, risk of asset loss...They need to make money somehow. If you are worried about a dollar for withdrawal, your not contributing much to the economy anyways, and shouldn't be speculating either (in my opinion...). Also, Gox charges like 0.6% a trade, BTC-e only 0.2%. Trade where you want, but no place touches BTC-e LTC volume.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: kelsey on July 23, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
ok avoiding litecoin thanks for your advice  ;D


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: Online24o0n on July 24, 2013, 12:09:22 AM
Litecoin will be the next maker of millionaires, just like Bitcoin did, we will see a huge Litecoin bubble once it hits MtGox and given a little time. Stash your LTC now and buy it up while its cheap.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: ilostcoins on July 24, 2013, 12:21:39 AM
had some spare time so had a look around some of the exchanges

Comparison of some exchanges LTC withdrawal fees:
  • 0.03 LTC - cryptsy.com  (recently reduced, previously was 0.1 LTC)
  • 0.05 LTC - crypto-trade.com  (If you haven't registered yet, get some free XPM before doing so here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259927)) ;)
  • 0.10 LTC - mcxnow.com
  • 0.10 LTC - coins-e.com
  • 0.10 LTC - vircurex.com
  • ?.?? LTC - bter.com
  • 0.50 LTC - btc-e
  • 0.10 LTC - upbit.org

I never used btc-e, so just re-quoting you there.
 

Thank you for the information.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: litecoin_messiah on July 24, 2013, 09:51:05 AM
had some spare time so had a look around some of the exchanges

Comparison of some exchanges LTC withdrawal fees:
  • 0.03 LTC - cryptsy.com  (recently reduced, previously was 0.1 LTC)
  • 0.05 LTC - crypto-trade.com  (If you haven't registered yet, get some free XPM before doing so here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259927)) ;)
  • 0.10 LTC - mcxnow.com
  • 0.10 LTC - coins-e.com
  • 0.10 LTC - vircurex.com
  • ?.?? LTC - bter.com
  • 0.50 LTC - btc-e
  • 0.10 LTC - upbit.org

I never used btc-e, so just re-quoting you there.
 
  
 


Thanks for the info mate, I think BTC-E is behind the attack on Cryptsy now that they saw there trade volume drop a lot.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: digitalindustry on July 24, 2013, 10:38:08 AM
Before you go all loopy on us did you ever consider this :

1. it was changed to that when the LTC fees where very high - remember the "you must upgrade your LTC client" warning was this not related to trying to drop the fees ?

2. Did you ever make them aware of your grievance before, kind of going full retard like this ?

3. the allegation that it was BTCe that DDos Cryptsy is really laughable , I find it really very stupid , personally I think you are trying to give yourself a little too much credit here , even if LTC trades went to Cryptsy BTCe is dealing in fiat and it will eventually come back to them in the form of BTC anyhow , so why would they care?

4. I think BTCe will expand their horizons of various currencies in future i think they are just being careful about picking quality and stability .


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: NWO on July 24, 2013, 10:57:22 AM
btc-e have THE worse support I have ever experienced. I had to open three tickets months ago after that hacking disaster due to the support never answering or understanding my questions due to poor english.

I have had no issues with crypto-trade and cryptsy.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: Mapuo on July 24, 2013, 11:36:56 AM
Im away from btc-e, worst enchange


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: Moogle on July 24, 2013, 11:40:48 AM
in fairness half a litecoin isnt really worth all that much. you;d need to be withdrawing decent amounts for it to be worthwhile anyway at which point half a litecoin will be negligible


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: heatgsm on July 24, 2013, 11:45:39 AM
btc-e have THE worse support I have ever experienced. I had to open three tickets months ago after that hacking disaster due to the support never answering or understanding my questions due to poor english.

I have had no issues with crypto-trade and cryptsy.
I agree with you on this one - very very poor support; didn`t had any problem with cryptsy - everything went smooth and fast . :D


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: Cyberdyne on July 24, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
btc-e have THE worse support I have ever experienced

Obviously not a Mt Gox customer.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: clearcrystal on July 24, 2013, 11:54:57 AM
btc-e have THE worse support I have ever experienced

Obviously not a Mt Gox customer.


They are both doing a great job at being terrible.. Only cryptsy seems to do well.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: digitalindustry on July 24, 2013, 11:55:30 AM
- I agree they probably don't have the best support and i spoke about that on another thread

- this also points to the fact that they may have been slow to adjust the LTC fee .

so lets say all this is true , that's all fine until you want to exchange to fiat .

Cryptsy if it ever has Fiat input or output will be to like "Citibank" or "Paypal" - (none of this is Cryptsy's fault they are a victim of circumstance.)

you miss the point completely .

oh well, none of this is really my concern anyhow ,

roll tape. . .  


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: kjlimo on July 24, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
I've always found Vircurex (https://vircurex.com/register?referral_id=801-154) to be a great litcoin exchange (among other coins).

Btc-e has been an unneccessary evil for me.  I made an account, but haven't used it yet because there are always easier, more professional options like vircurex.com (https://vircurex.com/register?referral_id=801-154) out there.

Let's hope gox picks up LTC & makes us all millionaires; however, that may be a pipe dream as Mtgox is losing market share.  We'll probably want another exchange to lead the charge, but most importantly, we need businesses & people to start using LTCs for it to grow.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: illpoet on July 24, 2013, 12:11:24 PM
i have to agree with messiah here. the .5 ltc fee is a relic from the days when ltc was trading @ .07 usd. now that its worth more than a dollar they should lower the fees for their own self interest. you can obtain litecoins from many other places now, it doesn't make a whole lot o fo sense to use btc-e especially if you are buying. if you are selling even then you lose a huge chunk by the time the money gets to your pocket.  the trollbox is pretty fun to read tho.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: litecoin_messiah on July 24, 2013, 02:43:17 PM
Before you go all loopy on us did you ever consider this :

1. it was changed to that when the LTC fees where very high - remember the "you must upgrade your LTC client" warning was this not related to trying to drop the fees ?
I honestly think you have no idea what you are talking about. Not trying to offend you here but Litecoin's fees have been low for Weeks, If not Months if you count the Client which was in Testing Phases. BTC-E has definitely Upgraded there Wallet, They are just extorting Customers and Taking advantage of there Status as the Most Popular Litecoin Exchange.


2. Did you ever make them aware of your grievance before, kind of going full retard like this ?
Now you are being Offensive are you not? Where am i going "Full Retard"?

Sure i might look like i am over reacting, hell quitting smoking might contribute to some of way i am explaining this. However, You Intimidating me does not change the FACT i am pointing this truth out with Evidence.


3. the allegation that it was BTCe that DDos Cryptsy is really laughable , I find it really very stupid , personally I think you are trying to give yourself a little too much credit here , even if LTC trades went to Cryptsy BTCe is dealing in fiat and it will eventually come back to them in the form of BTC anyhow , so why would they care?
Sure the Allegation is laughable. For some people like you who seem to be narrow minded individuals who give biased opinion.

But i don't make nothing from this, I don't even hold any Litecoin to even care, I am doing this as i like the Litecoin community and want it to succeed.

So my opinion is not biased, And the reasons i think BTC-E is behind this attack is there trade volume has dropped quiet a lot and moved to Cryptsy. They will be the ones making money from this when users are forced to come to an alternative exchange in the meantime, That is there motive. No one else has this Motive or will spend the money or resources on performing this Attack. This hasn't happened on such a scale either to Cryptsy Until now, So either it is a very BIG CO-Incidence, Which you assume. or we can go our guts and what we know of BTC-E as being a shady business and accept it is much more likely they are behind this attack instead of believing in such a co-incidence.

Like it or not, I do talk to plenty of people. My actions sound a little cringe worthy with the tones i use but that is because i don't give a fuck what people like you think.

People like you always look at how stuff are described instead of trying to understand. I am not giving myself plenty of credit, I just assume i did reach out to quiet a few people that ended up switching to alternative exchanges and must have done quiet an impact that BTC-E Banned me off there Exchange and held my funds.


4. I think BTCe will expand their horizons of various currencies in future i think they are just being careful about picking quality and stability .

OK starting to think we have a BTC-E fanboy here.


Title: Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy
Post by: ToxicDartFrog on July 24, 2013, 03:19:17 PM
Although I do still trade on BTC-e as they are one of the most stable exchanges, I have to agree with the 0.5 LTC fee being pretty ridiculous. It almost seems like an attempt at keeping 10-20%+ from anyone who wishes to withdraw small quantities. It wouldn't be difficult for them to implement a % instead, or even just drop it to a more reasonable cost; they may even make more in the long term that way. The only good this may be doing for LTC is cutting down on generating lots of transactions in the block chain from people gambling using their exchange wallet.

I find myself spending a lot more time on Cryptsy now but mainly because I invest in PXC and a couple other coins BTC-e doesn't carry yet. I also like Cryptsy's interface and the fact that the devs will actually communicate with you and provide support on the fly.

BTW I avoid the hell out of Vircurex. Had an account there and after they got hacked multiple times in a single month I withdrew everything and haven't looked back. Since then they've been hacked / gone down a few more times too so I stand by that decision.

Anyway I'm not calling shenanigans on BTC-e yet as it may just be a lingering issue from when the price was lower. That said, they really need to address this because as pointed out earlier, the LTC withdrawal fee is at least 500% higher than that of the next exchange's. This is certainly causing an imbalance and leading anyone who may wish to withdraw LTC to sell it first and withdraw something else. Kinda hard to argue against that  :-\