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I recognize the sarcastic tone, but I couldn't understand your point.  Surely you are not saying a federal reserve note is real money, are you?  Ultimately, the only real money is something I can eat.

A number at mybitcoin is not a real Bitcoin. The most important thing about a real Bitcoin is that nobody but you knows the private keys.

(5)   Your Bitcoin "Savings Account" - for larger amounts - like long-term savings:  Follow the video tutorial to create a totally secure encrypted off-line and backed-up wallet for an easy-to-use bitcoin address for making frequent "deposits" and infrequent "withdrawals".    (see linked video tutorial)

I recognize the sarcastic tone, but I couldn't understand your point.  Surely you are not saying a federal reserve note is real money, are you?  Ultimately, the only real money is something I can eat.

Well, obviously.  That's why when you work you're paid in hamburgers.  When I go to make a mortgage payment, I put forty quarts of milk in an envelope.  And I always make sure to bring a wheelbarrow full of corn into BestBuy, to make sure I can transact efficiently.

I know you have to be obtuse to buy into this whole charade, but come on.

Again, Flexcoin.com is Ponzi game. You'd better not join the game unless you're sure that you're the earlist one or the owner of the flexcoin is your fucking boy and will share with his profit with you after he runs to Mexico from U.S. where he claimed be. Or he is in Mexico now, who knows?

I´m using mybitcoin since some months with different accounts and never had a problem with them (beside centralization which makes Bitcoins useless and some downtimes but i dont really care about them), so i dont think its a scam, the problem is more that its for free and they dont have the money to hire support monkeys.
 

So you want flexcoin to charge a transaction fee to label it legit?   We're still only 90% formulated on the business model,  so if that is what people want?

We're in the process of revising the BitcoinMe.com page where we recommend how to Buy, Use, and Store your Bitcoins.

His point is.. you can't eat paper money to survive. If paper money loses its value and you can't buy food, people will work for food.

Entrusting your money to a web site registered to a PO Box in the West Indies with numerous complaints of theft is a bad idea. It really looks like their business model is to steal accounts, just not all of them at once (since that would make it too obvious that they were a scam all along).

Using an "online wallet service" is a terrible idea. You're entrusting your money to an anonymous scammer.

Your statement at best is sophomoric...  and at worse it's just liable.   

No issues with mybitcoin, not sure how there is allways some vague user making claims like OP yet actually provide no evidence of said claim.

What evidence would you require, oh vague user?

That's a great call Bruce, I hope to see Tom on your show soon.

But really--they "technically" didn't do anything wrong, because I didnt read this in their terms of service "6.1 MYBITCOIN LLC will ensure that for all Bitcoins in circulation in the MyBitcoin System there is at all times an identical quantity of unencumbered Bitcoins held in MYBITCOIN LLC's master Bitcoin wallet."

Can you translate what that means for me? I'm not sure how this "donation" relates to passage 6.1.

Seriously guys. If you LOST MONEY, POST PROOF. Stop with this spraying of diarrhea on the walls. I'm not saying MyBitCoin is safe-- hell, no place is. I wouldn't trust ANY of you to hold my wallet, much less the door for me on the way out of a building. That doesn't mean that it's a SCAM. Your libelous and ridiculously abusing and ignorant banter has driven me insane, and for those of you who can't understand where my aggression is coming from-- this is the 999th thread I've read where people blindly believe what the poster is posting and go along with it like some rerun of high school idiocy. I have no idea what I'm going to do when I read #1000. I'll probably just donate all my BTC to that OP cause I'm random and cool like that.

Blockexplorer would be nice. Userid of their account as a show of good faith so that others know how to bring the topic up if they get the chance to ask directly?

P.S. You're one of the only posters I actually agreed with in this garbage thread.

We're in Pennsylvania... not Mexico.....  you're saying we're a scam because we're paying the account holders interest from what we sell in Ads and Mining?   Last I heard that's not how a Ponzi scheme is run....  unless you have a creative definition of it..  We'd love to hear how someone that isn't educated enough on the  topic discuss it... we need good laughs....  the chances are you don't even have an invite (very few people do) for Flexcoin... so you are not educated enough on Flexcoin to make any assumptions.

Your statement at best is sophomoric...  and at worse it's just liable.   

OKay. I had at first just written a vulgar string of swears in response to this ridiculous thread, but then I realized that was probably due to the wee early morning hours getting the best of me, so here's a more thought out response.


Thanks for making it 'official'. Who the **** are you again?


Strike #1 for MyBitCoin. The free, solo run, cheap ass website doesn't have a password recovery that could potentially hand accounts away to hackers. I'll bite. +1 for you.



You should have quit while you were ahead.


Basically you've proven your un-resourceful, blind as a bat, or both.


No hold on a second. You haven't even finished your story about how the big bad wolf had big sharp teeth, and you're already ready to kill his neighbors just because they're black? I say proof or GTFO.


A) You know nothing of anyone, do kindly stfu.
B) You just explained yourself why the accounts are being locked down, fool. (read: FREE SITE + major security upset in the Bitcoin community = go **** yourself).


So all I need to do is claim that something happened to me by any company in the world and Bruce Wagner (wtf is that?) will boycott them? Cool. Let me make up a list right now!


See lettucebee? This is how you complain about a company correctly. It's pretty simple, you just need to A) provide some bit of believable information, in this case being that a very small amount of was 'lost' during something that is well known to be error prone, B) attempts to be cordial and wait, C) a plea to say that instead of marching up and down the street exhausting ones bowels upon the passers by as you chant a satanic poem about Mybitcoin, it might just be good enough to keep waiting-- since you don't have a choice anyway, and of course the most important part of all that you're missing, D) ("I will be patient, but I will not send any more coins") common sense, which you're dangerously low on. Did you lose a lot? Did mommy not warn you about sending large amounts in cryptocurrency to OPENLY RECOGNIZED anonymously run organizations for unwarrantied services?


Blah blah blah, and my daddy has a corvette. Would you mind sharing with us how many bitcoins it was to maybe help us understand your insanity? There are forgivable ranges, but by the look of things, you're just raging for the hell of it.


OH NO! NOT THE WEST INDIES! HOLY SHIT!


And where are these complaints exactly? I see exactly 3 complaints on the crappily designed (probably by the OP for this exact purpose no doubt) bitcoinfeedback.com, and all of them are pretty much the exact same thing--- they have nothing to do with theft at all. They have something to do with some fuckhead forgetting his password or having it reset during the security breach, and then flipping out and killing people because they haven't learned any patience.


I've actually thought about this too, and it IS in fact possible, so +1.


Are you calling them a scam? Isn't it great how angry mobs work? We've gone from one douchebag claiming without proof, to another douchebag crying scam. Let's see how many simple minded fools will follow along!



Wow. Did anyone ask? Sounds like the op just likes making friends who will agree with him, and someone else likes using other people's rage threads for self promotion. STOP WASTING THE INTERNET.


Oh yea, can't wait till slashdot gets a hold of how horrible customer support is over at the one man show mybitcoin.com.


Wow man...that was actually..deep and insightful. except you're kind of missing one thing....Mybitcoin is not a business, asshole. It's a free website that one of the vets involved in Bitcoin, bitcoin.org, etc decided to do as a service to the rest of the community. Got a problem with it? DONT USE IT.


This statement (and all following statements for that matter) is more ridiculous than your lack of command of the English language for someone living in America. A) Who said it's a business? B) Why would anyone involved in a 'business' related to a currency centered around anonminity and basically standing up to all of the world's forces NOT be anonymous? So, basically you prefer Satoshi to be brought out to public view before you believe in Bitcoin too? What kind of mental acrobatics must you be doing to think you're right?


Christ. Just like I said. Idiots begat idiots. Let's not forget that the FIRST POST IS HEARSAY.


It has it's uses, but yes, it's a risk everyone will have to come to terms with and there are ways to minimize those risks.


That's right kids! Anyone at ALL who EVER OFFERS A SERVICE ONLINE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO UPLOAD YOU WALLET IS AUTOMATICALLY A SCAMMER. CHRIST. STFU.



You obviously have no idea how your country stays safe or in power.


I didn't quote the rest, because my brain wouldn't stop hurting after reading this far into your drivel. It's 'scheme' btw you idiot.


Imagine that. A veteran user had something intelligent AND nice to say about the situation that provided both insight and some kind of solution. I hope one day I can deliver one post responses and not need to deal with things in the way I'm dealing with them right now, but sometimes....CHRIST.



Actually, judging by their understanding of common sensical principles, I'd say they probably DO get paid in hamburgers as they work at McDonalds.


Buddy, I'm sorry about the ridiculous things that that retard is saying about you, because it all IS total bullshit-- that being said, anyone who names themselves "The founder" on a website called "bitcoin.org" is a little bit of a prick in my book.



That's putting it lightly... more like medicated.



Aww. why don't you two get married, then you can co-own all the threads you end up cross spamming anyway!


And there it is people. I use MyBitCoin. I've never had an issue! I've had lots of issues! What's the difference between those two statements? Perception. And issue is just that-- something to resolve. You retards seem to have begun to associate having problems with being a scammer. Pop a pill and take a seat, its going to be an extremely long ride with Bitcoin.


Jesus H. Titty fucking Christ. Are you a failed children's story writer? #1 is user ignorance. #2 is an obvious DUH considering the users are using all the most abstract means of contact known to man (read: "I EMAILED THE DNS EMAIL", also read: "Use the message box on the website to contact me -mybitcoin owner"), and #3 is still unproved ballfunk.


And the crowd of freaks grows! Literally!


Bruce, I have a friend who claims you stole his purse. here is an OPEN INVITATION TO YOU. (rofl)


Seriously guys. If you LOST MONEY, POST PROOF. Stop with this spraying of diarrhea on the walls. I'm not saying MyBitCoin is safe-- hell, no place is. I wouldn't trust ANY of you to hold my wallet, much less the door for me on the way out of a building. That doesn't mean that it's a SCAM. Your libelous and ridiculously abusing and ignorant banter has driven me insane, and for those of you who can't understand where my aggression is coming from-- this is the 999th thread I've read where people blindly believe what the poster is posting and go along with it like some rerun of high school idiocy. I have no idea what I'm going to do when I read #1000. I'll probably just donate all my BTC to that OP cause I'm random and cool like that.

As for the off case that mybitcoin was in fact a complete scam, the OP actually did use the means of contact mentioned by the owner for posting complaints, suggestions, etc, then I'd say 'that sucks!'. Point being none of this is so, and likewise, there is no reason to listen.

When he shows some proof of ANY sort, I'll rethink my position, because I'd have to wouldn't I?

Lettucebee, I sympathize with your situation.  You may have found one of the threads I started when you did your forum history search for MyBitcoin-related threads.  I've had various problems with them over the last 8 months.  I don't really believe the owner/operator of the site is trying to scam people though.  He's probably just overwhelmed with the level of work required to maintain a free site.  I've suggested that there is a market opportunity for a fee-for-service version of MyBitcoin.  Maybe make it free to hold personal wallets but charge businesses for the API.  At any rate, I hope you recover your coins.

I just got an email from one of my best friends...

He lost 1000 Bitcoins on MyBitcoin.com   

He has heard no reply whatsoever to any of his emails to them.

Of course, I am the one who recommended MyBitcoin to him.

Imagine how I feel about that.

A solution to this kind of problem is for wallet services to offer 'signed receipts' for all transactions, and only carry out transactions for which the customer first signed a request.

Then in the case of a dispute a customer can simply present as evidence their receipt (which has the account balance on it), with their digital signature and the wallet providers signature. Whoever has the most recent receipt 'wins' the argument (because everyones signature is on it).

https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Triple-Signed-Receipts
http://iang.org/papers/triple_entry.html
http://truledger.com/

Is a receipt enough? Won't you also need to show that you never withdrew the coins in order to prove you were actually stolen from?

i think it could be possible to proof the following through blockexplorer:

 - transfer btc to mybitcoin
 - ip adress of sender
 - mybitcoin did keep the btc
 - or ip adress of recipient

(but: i think mybitcoin has to help us here by providing the adresses and the guarantee its not moving btc internal).

Observe some common sense. You have a problem with MyBitCoin; you post an obscure thread about it on bitcoin.org; the unnotified third party owner of MyBitCoin understandably does not participate in the thread (how could they without knowing it exists?); this somehow proves their guilt.

So if I have an issue with your site, you provide an internal messaging system that I dont use, i start a thread on some forum somewhere, and you don't post on it, does that make you a crook?

I lost 0.5 BTC to them during an autopay when they went down on the 3rd.  I emailed and received no response so far.  FFS it's only 0.5 BTC, but it's my 1/2 coin not theirs. 

I will be patient, but I will not send any more coins to them until this is cleared up and may just send directly to Gox in the future.

UPDATE: No response on the messaging system from my inquiry. Time to start an official investigation.

First I'll use the PO box and supposed name of the spokesperson for the site and see if I can't find any public records that might match.

This might end in me flying to West Indies, but we might find out the owner is dead. Does anyone else ever think of these things?

"we need good laughs..." is not the words I want to hear coming from my banker.

Alright, I'll make it official. Mybitcoin is not a company to do business with. Avoid them at all costs.

Over a week ago my login credentials didn't work. Only at that time did I realize that mybitcoin has no way to recover passwords.  I found previous threads where people had trouble with mybitcoin (duh) and tried the email under whois (abuse@mybitcoin.com) which didn't work. I created a second account to send a message about my first account, but now, days later, still no response.

Please also avoid their banner ad company, Link2voip, also. Nothing against them, but maybe if Link2voip feels a little shun they will pressure mybitcoin to come clean.

Mybitcoin's behavior is a little confusing because they apparently were, at one time, a good service.  They have put a considerable effort into their site, they seem to have ambitions to expand as a bitcoin business, and their proprietor, Mr Williams, came forth and acted all CEOish during the recent Mt Gox debacle.

Unfortunately, new users are often being steered into their clutches. Bitcoinme.com pretty much tells new users to put their coins into Mybitcoin:
http://bitcoinme.com/files/8213/0763/0940/Buy_Full_Image_31_TradeHill.png

Check out a better image at:

http://bitcoinme.com/index.php/buy/

I have asked Bruce Wagner of bitcoinme.com to stop promoting them and he said he would, but we'll see. I am on a campaign to get the truth out about mybitcoin.  If they come clean I will be the first to announce it.  If you have any helpful information or have a similar story to tell I hope you will include it here.

Thanks for your attention.

Seems mybitcoin.com isn't online.

Anybody any idea if this is a more reliable replacement?

http://www.bitcoinpayflow.com/

Although I can't speak for everyone, I'd believe the majority are not in possession of a VPS or the knowhow. Perhaps you could post a tutorial for newbies?

Although I can't speak for everyone, I'd believe the majority are not in possession of a VPS or the knowhow. Perhaps you could post a tutorial for newbies?

Although I can't speak for everyone, I'd believe the majority are not in possession of a VPS or the knowhow. Perhaps you could post a tutorial for newbies?

I don't know about the rest of you, but my original theory that something has happened to the owner (could be lying in a hospital for all we know) is looking more plausible.

Seems like your bitching and attacking other users was completely baseless.  After reading your posts in this thread I really wouldn't pay much attention to anything you post now due to some poor reading comprehension skills and general assholier-than-thou attitude.


Trust seems to be the biggest stumbling block for bitcoin is trust.  I would never put too many bitcoins in any one place due to everything we've seen from MtGox, mybitcoin, wallet trojans, etc etc.  We need some long established trusted financial corporation to get involved in bitcoin, and not trust website made by some random dude we know nothing about.

If thousands of bitcoins are lost due to this one website, the community should be up in arms and attempting to help.  I hope something is found out about the owner of this site.

Wow amazing how the people warning about mybitcoin were harassed.

No more then any other ewallet I supose. Pity, mybitcoin.com worked so well for me.
Only a matter of time before another wallet becomes unreliable and those threads start rolling. -.-

Just in case you guys didn't already read it, it seemed pertinent to add it here as well.

The UABB is spearheading a legal and unbiased investigation into MyBitcoin.com but needs your support. Discussion about MyBitcoin.com is very healthy for the sharing of ideas and suggestions on how to tackle this very serious and difficult problem, but nothing will be done about it through forum posts.


Please start contributing to the actual investigation by adding your affidavit, attaching evidence of funds lost, and contributing to the fund to pay for international investigators. Thank you.


http://uabci.org/redmine/projects/mbci (http://uabci.org/redmine/projects/mbci)

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