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Calling the "Bitcoin" used by Bitcointalk.org "Bitcoin" seems grossly out of line because I think there are other forks of Bitcoin being used that fit the title of "Bitcoin" better.

I will be calling Bitcoin, as used here on Bitcointalk, by the more proper name of Bitcoin Core Coin or BCore Coin.

Sent you $1 on the real chain.

Hm?

You sent me $1 where?

Bitcoin Cash. Sent you a $1 at 1FV4GT6sjSvkERMRhFiWgFp3nSJstrXg2e. Pass it forward.

Which forks fit the Bitcoin name better? Would you also like to explain why?

Also, not to nitpick, but there are two 'coins' in that name. It's entirely your own prerogative, but if you're going that route anyway you may as well just call it Bitcoin Core lol.

Shit!  That is a Gemini Bitcoin Core Coin wallet!

My Bitcoin cash address is: 1BJtELZpzNB1o4RMBJU4iJeDSS1T37ZEqf

Either way... thank you very much.  It is the thought that counts <3

I'll ask Gemini to recover it once they add Bitcoin Cash.

No worries let them have it. Sent you $.99 at 1BJtELZpzNB1o4RMBJU4iJeDSS1T37ZEqf.

hahahahahaha




Joke aside, when you see such beggars happy being donated 1 buck (I'd be him I'd feel insulted), you can imagine the army that the BCash propaganda program (https://thebitcoincash.fund) can hire for cheap.

You want some?

Shit fire... thanks kindly!


 ::)

I don't see me begging for anything and I'm happy to take anything someone wants to give me... it's called not being an asshole and being grateful.

It also makes me happy to see $1 of Bitcoin being donated via the blockchain without paying a $40 fee.

I mean really... a $40 fee to send $1 is absolutely fucking nuts.

Satoshi would have NEVER wasted his time answering vending machine questions if Bitcoin was supposed to cost a $40 USD miner fee to purchase a candy bar.

I still believe he was insulting you, though.


Tell me what you'd be ready to do for like 1 BCH. Like, make BTC online propaganda for like 6 months?

Are you a Blockstream Core shill? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter anymore. Let it go.

Bitcoin Cash is more "Bitcoin" than Bitcoin Core Coin is hands down at the moment because it is actually usable and affordable for 99% of users.

Bitcoin Core Coin is good for someone who has more money than sense and intends on only leaving their coins at Coinbase.

Really, Bitcoin Core Coin has the key leadership of a bunch of failed business people... I don't think their judgment should be trusted at this point.

How long have we been waiting on new forums? These forums have received millions and millions of dollars... plus the advertisements here are earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a week and we still haven't got shit since I started Bitcoin!

And they expect us to wait on "lightening network!"  Sure  ::)

No, I'm against all religions & sects.

That's why I have more trust in BTC investors, they are the first to critisize the BTC, they won't spread lies to defend it.

If BCash worshippers were honest about it, saying that they want you to join them because
a) they own more BCH than BTC & wanna get richer
b) they have been paid for propaganda
c) they own a mining farm
..I'd be ok with that.

But they always evade the real questions. Like, why they chose BCH over the many other coins that have faster transactions/lower fees. Or what is BCH's long-term solution (since increasing block size is only a very short-term one) to cope with demand.


BTC? I have a BTC "lost in transaction" for 2 days now (but we all know why: miners spamming network). Does that mean I should hate the BTC? No. It's still way more usable than real gold, and that's exactly what it is for me. I have zero use for crypto to pay small things daily, I live in the first world, I already have cards for that. They are fast & most importantly, unlike any crypto, safe. Because my money has my name on it.
Plus, I don't wanna pay a can of Coke 200 bucks, which is pretty much what I would be doing if I was paying with BTC, judging by BTC's price next year.

If I was living in Venezuela, yeah, I'd probably go for crypto, for daily use. And I would chose neither BTC nor BCH. LTC perhaps? But anyway, I have zero need for that, I'm not hiding money, I pay my taxes, that's probably why.

You're already living in Venezuela and you don't even know it.

BCash or BCrash as it is called around here, is a centralized authority waiting to be crushed. Roger Ver
and his cheerleaders will turn into bag holders when the hype and shilling has settled and Bitcoin <As
Satoshi called it> once again crush it. Kodak was the biggest and strongest brand in photography and it
did not want to adapt to the needs of the customers <It got stuck in the old ways, like BCash is stuck in the old ways with Block sizes> and look what happened with them.

BCash has no roadmap for scaling for the future, because mainstream adoption is not possible with Block size increases, but people supporting BCash is so focused on the "NOW" and believing what Roger Ver is telling them, that they are missing the bigger picture for the future.

It has been the BCC coin for a long time now, 50 cent fees then $4 then $40 now $4000+ for XX BTC transfer, GTFO this disaster of a core team. They have single handed killed BTC's usage all we hear now is store of value, BS and a last ditch effort to cling to life.

Care to explain how BCash is "more affordable"?

What would that even mean?
Surely you can't be claiming that "BCash is better because 1 BCH costs 2500, while 1 BTC costs 10x more". Because that's how a child would think.

BCash has shown to be very volatile, even more than BTC & that says a lot. Now THAT is a reason for it not to be a good replacement for fiat.
Got your salary in BCash 2 days ago? Well sorry, it's now worth half of it. The stuff you buy locally where you live, which is valued in fiat, your BCash that you bought 2 days ago, you can now pay 2x less with it. That's not really a good thing for something that aims at becoming e-money.

Once ANY crypto has become widely adopted & will be stable, then we can talk again.

Errr... I feel like you are talking about BCore Coin.

BCore Coin has refused to adapt to the needs of customers to the point that the average fee for a send is over $40 USD!!!!!!

This means you are going to spend over 40x the cost of a candy bar, over 4x the cost for a hit of acid and a little over 2x the cost for an 8th of weed... it what world does that seem like the future???

How about I send you 10 cents? Would that explain it? Clearly you do not value money as you think sending money can be a form of insult.

Affordable to use.

For example, that dude who sent me $1.  https://blockdozer.com/insight/tx/486e0d9a6855e98d551b03775f3c6daf338a11160032604a7efd635fe7578dd7

The tipper spent Bitcoin Cash worth 0.00000071 Bitcoin Core Coin to send that transaction.  Bitcoin Cash blockchain has all the same historical value as BCore Coin, but wasting $40 on the fee.

Oh perhaps yes. Perhaps a huge hyperinflation is coming to me. Which is one reason I'm investing in gold or crypto-gold. I still have zero need to pay with it TODAY. And, safe to assume that it's not gonna happen next year either. The BTC still has quite some time to get lightning network, for all I care.

And if it doesn't.. Well.. you know people invest in real gold as well. What do you think of gold's usability? Very hard to buy something using gold. And yet, people don't care, because what's important is its VALUE. Which BCash worshippers have failed to understand, since they want the BTC to go down, not understanding that BCash, like other crypto's, is valued according to the BTC, thus BTC down = BCH down. And it well proved it these last few days, I think.

Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.

Also, have you considered that THE reason BCash is faster/has less fees right now, is that it's much less used? It has like 15x less transactions than BTC, these days (I believe?). But the block size is only twice bigger.

It id Bitcoin core and you can call with its real name. but Bitcoin is very popular and famous name. Bitcoin is the Bitcoin Core.

Seems you worship gold.

The era of using BTC for casual transactions is over.
BTC is for srs bzns!
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pvx/images/6/67/Internet_srs_bzns.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080604185205

I'm a fan of Bitcoins history.  

Litecoin, Ripple and the rest of the altcoins do not share the historical value of the Bitcoin blockchain.

Bitcoin Cash isn't a whole new chain like the altcoins you named... it is the same historical chain as what Satoshi, Hal, Ross and countless other amazing individuals have contributed to.

Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.

If you're so cheap that 1 buck counts for you, then you should really keep this in mind.
I don't know where you live, but "using" so volatile money is a bad idea, UNLESS your own country's money is even more volatile, and there aren't many places like that in the world.

There are people who bought pizzas for thousands of bucks, in today's BTC value. Don't you think they regret it? Sure, you'll tell me, they just had to refuel their BTC account after buying their pizza. In that case, they would have had easier buying their pizza in fiat in the first place.

Unless you
1) made your money illegally and really wanna hide it (I'm not even saying this is a bad use for it - this is pretty much what made BTC famous. BUT I do not think that Ver & his sheep are on a crusade to make the BCH the official crypto for the next Silk Road)
2) live in a shitty place where local money sucks (& you don't like USD)
..I see no reason to USE crypto, yet.

How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011?

Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin as much... if not more so than Bitcoin Core Coin.

Both BCash and BCore come from the same history.  Their histories only started to differ from each other on August 1, 2017.

So you admit you're a worshipper.

Anyway, what about Bitcoin Gold then?
Or the many upcoming forks? Aren't they all technically better than BCash?

There you prove my point. It is THAT volatile.

But be honest, if, like Ver, you scalped a big lot of BCH when it had dipped to a few hundreds, there, I totally undersand why you want BCH to go up even more. Don't be ashamed for that, we're all here to make money.
Personally, if I had a lot of BCH, I would like it to go up but I wouldn't like it to replace BTC, because I do understand that BCH, like all other ALTs, is valued according to the BTC. I would want BOTH to go up.

Why does it have to be a competition, why aren't there Litecoin worshippers out there who want LTC to replace BTC?

Bitcoin Core Devs did adapt to the needs of the customers by supplying a temporary solution in the form of SegWit, but the fools who are complaining about high fees are not using it. It has not even stopped there, they are currently developing the permanent solution, called the Lightning Network. <remind me again, how they did not adapt to the needs of the customers?>

BCash will never be able to keep up with the scaling that the Lightning Network will provide.

If you look a little bit deeper into the high fee problem, you will understand that Bitcoin <BTC> is currently under attack and being sabotaged by miners <selective mining tactics> and anonymous cowards that are spamming the network and also merchants that are refusing to implement SegWit.

There are more sinister things going on at the moment and people are blinded by Roger Ver and his cheerleaders, to see it. <spreading FUD>

First I'm a beggar and now I'm a worshipper?

I don't believe I've said anything to merit either of those two beliefs.   ::)

I don't know if the future forks are going to be better than Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Core Coin because I don't have a working crystal ball atm... I guess time will tell.

I do know however that it wouldn't take a whole hell of a lot to be better than Bitcoin Core Coin right now and if $40 fees are the future of cryptocurrency... ek!


What are you even talking about...?

Bitcoin Gold is for you bro. Gold.

I would also explain why the lighning network is a better solution btw.

Let's pretend crypto is gold. A (yeah, decentralized) bank has gold bars. Gold isn't the best thing to use to pay a loaf of bread.
No one wanna scrape gold bars to get gold powder to pay for the bread.

Instead, you'll use a layer in-between, one that gathers shitloads of tiny transactions & merges them. Meanwhile for big transactions, you could still use the blockchain directly.


Personally I'm not even waiting for a lightning network, I'm waiting for Paypal to feed on my BTC's (well, if BTC ever gets stable, that is), just like it can already feed using my bank account or my credit card, transparently. Paypal won't bother doing BTC transfers for the small things I pay, it can as well transfer in bigger amounts to build reserves.
..just like your exchange doesn't -really- perform real transactions when you buy a BCH, it mostly happens internally, it's just owners swapping.

The reason I'm waiting for Paypal is that I want safety, and I believe the majority of people want safety. Send crypto to the wrong address, you've lost your funds, how fuckin dumb is that? This is seriously not ready for mainstream. People want insurance, they want refunds in case of problems, and they want easy payments. I don't know of any crypto that allows that, ATM, sadly. They are all designed for ultralibertarians who are ready to give up on safety, to hide their money. Perhaps we could have BOTH? Actually I think that the lightning network has a refunding system in its core, btw. We'll see.

Yikes... what a scary mindset o.0

I think I'll stick to my Libertarian ways.

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Good luck with BCore Coin having such high disgusting fees & being so unusable that no one can use it unless they are already included in a Paypal type ecosystem... I can't believe people actually want that. :-X :-\ >:(

but was Ben Franklin against taxes?

Hiding your money may be an essential liberty to you, but I doubt you'd want to live in a country where everyone hides his money and either doesn't pay taxes, or worse, gets paid by the country for reporting himself as unemployed.

Also, being a libertarian is generally something for rich people, beggars like you have more to lose than to win.


There is no reason a decentralized network couldn't work like Paypal, though. Paypal offers safety, which involves people judging conflicts, to deal with refunds. That job can be done by "miners", or, "everyone", for a fee.
You paid a seller & didn't get your stuff? God scammed? Let, I don't know, 3 random people on the blockchain judge the case, for a fee. 2 out of 3 judged in your favor? You get a refund. Of course this also involves an escrow system, where the coins stay on the blockchain in an "not owned by anyone" state, until reception of the goods are confirmed. But hey, the blockchain is about random people doing tasks, for fees. That can be done.. if you can really trust "random people" for judging cases, but hey, that's decentralization.

You'd think that it's easier for Paypal to prevent scams because it's centralized & well organized. But well, someone once managed to open HIS paypal account using MY stolen credit card # (which was ALSO linked to my own paypal account, on top of it). So they aren't really doing such a good job either.

That is so good decision of yours but be sure you are consistent with it because in the last two years when there was no forked bitcoin coin, there was nothing like this and the characteristics that you have to determine which one is the right one was only in bitcoin. So, in the next few years when those ones you are switching the name of bitcoin for, starts failing, the 4MB is being filled either through use or spam, be sure to change the name of your coin again and maybe in a lifetime, you would have had not less than 10 coins that have carried the name bitcoin.

Kloug, you aren't even worth answering.

Good luck though of course.