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Anyone else thinking that IOTA has a long way up to go from where it is now (Bargain price of less than $4 right now)? Seems to have not taken off like the other coins since the dip but gets a hell of a lot of community support because of it's Tangle and pace of development and interest. It reminds me of WAVES which also hasn't pumped despite it fully activating it's WAVESNG platform and having one of the fastest blockchains on the planet.

Wish I had more money to pump into these at the prices they are at.

maybe this year does not belong to iota and waves, but i am very sure to both. hoping developers will surprise in the next year and can make both pump.

IOTA is not undervalued but waves might be. I hold some waves bought it months ago, I think it will rise much in 2018.

Honestly, if you follow what the waves team does it's ridiculously undervalued. Follow them on twitter and new things happen almost every day. I really think it should at least be in the top10

You don't think Iota is under valued? I posted this in anothert topic somewhere but I will repost here. It has HUGE marketable potential and will get quickly be recognised as such. A complete blockchain killer or at the very least something completely new aND Ioriginal

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People often say that the technology is very far off from being of practical use but I've been reading up on articles and news pieces to do with iota and it didn't seem to be the case at all. IThings are actually further along the development process than a lot of other Crypto currency projects that are valued higher and it is catching the eye of some very large industrial sectors, the most recent being the Bosch group. For a project that can be incorporated into so many aspects of our livesses I would expect this to rise to 10 dollars in January and, depending on more partnership deals could well exceed 100 dollars later in the year.

Just my thoughts and opinion

What does waves even do?

At the moment I am seeing a lot of ideas being floated around and no actual working product or a real use case where crypto is better than the centralised equivalent

Agree completely also. I think it just doesn't get the social and community attention it deserves yet but its rapidly growing. Waves offer .

Quick and easy token creation
Ability to dominate central Asian markets with crypto 2.0
Arguably the fastest blockchain around
Already has real world tradable value

Screw it.. Here is a copy and paste

Advantages:

· Waves Platform, as opposed to other projects in the crypto sphere, is aimed at both advanced and novice users.

· The Waves Platform is running its own blockchain based on a Proof-of-Stake consensus algorithm.

· The platform is fully decentralized, transparent and auditable.

· Security, centralized exchanges are susceptible to hacks, theft, DDoS attacks and the like as a result, a decentralized exchange provide safety from these issues.

· Highly accessible

Clean, familiar UX
Chrome app, html lite client or mobile version for iPhone
No blockchain download necessary
· Fast, low-cost and scalable

One-minute blocks
Low (0.001 WAVES) transaction fees
Tx fees can be paid in tokens
Up to 1,000 txs/second
· Fiat transfer

Fully compliant, licensed gateways into and out of the blockchain
EUR blockchain tokens, with USD and other currencies on the way
Tokens fully backed by fiat deposits
Bitcoin gateway and tokens also available
· Easy token operations

Launch a new crypto token in under a minute
Tools for mass token distribution
Ideal for crowdfunding
· Decentralized exchange (DEX)

Peer-to-peer trading from within the client
Trade any pair of Waves tokens
Near-real time order matching
Blockchain settlement for security
· Smart contracts

Non-Turing complete
Powerful but secure
Planned implementation Q4 2017

Waves actually has a working product, the waves decentralized exchange, its a beta but working, bought some OCL with waves yesterday. They will update it soon.
Waves is also a Token Platform, several ICOs running.

See my above post.... And WAVES NG ! Fully activated and working solidly since yesterday

At the moment I also don't think it is undervalued a lot.
I think that will take a few more years to get some nice use cases for IOTA.
Or do you know anybody who used IOTAs for M2M- communication ... no
As soon as there are correct usage scenarios, the value will definitely shoot upwards.

Let's face it..most of these coins are work in progress but it's not as far off as other coins which are not as far along in development or realisation of practical use.

For those who may have missed it amongst the many pages in IOTA in other topics

What are some of the main characteristics of IOTA?

IOTA has no mining, no blocks, no difficulty
IOTA has no transaction fees
IOTA scales almost infinitely, unlike Blockchains
IOTA is not solely made as a currency but as an interoperability protocol that solves the problems of the IoT
IOTA wants to enable the machine economy
IOTA is lead by the IOTA Foundation, an NGO registered in Germany

Yes: https://data.iota.org/

Things are theoretical until they're not. If you can correctly identify useful technologies before they reach mass consumption, you get the early adopter price. If you are really early you get the innovator price.  

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*JzEpa6aK92q5KTyJGYDn_g.png

Thank you. I think the practical and commercial use of IOTA is already around the corner (as in first quarter next year). It's a fast moving area, especially in the autonous industry for vehicles, aircraft, trucks and inventory systems. The IOTA organisation are already working with multiple industries.

One real world example that could be put to practical testing almost immediately:

Imagine, being in an autonomous car, driving on expressways, paid seamlessly by M2M, filling up on gas automatically, locating car park spaces and payment for them automatically and securely. Then extrapolate that to other related sectors, then take that and monetize it, sell it to auto industry, aviation, real estate, restaurants.

IOTAs ability to make a go of it in the 'real world' are crazy huge and not that far off.

As with all coins I invest in, I do my research, have a little scientific background which helps, and it seems to be paying off with my portfolio.

I think the major issue with IOTA is their ability to communicate their tech with the investment world but then again a good idea with good foundations will sell itself.

I agree on IOTA. x7 market cap equal to Ethereum right now is perfectly possible.
Look at the partner list, potential, real-world solutions...

Just announced by wavesplatform on twitter.

Huge airdrop coming to waves holders this coming week.

waves is undervalued but iota is overvalued. you can buy more waves as it's cheaper now. soon we will see 20 usd and then 25 usd. when it take off it will rise so fast. you better collect some now if you don't want to regret later.

Let's remember and look back at this quote in a few months. Will be fun. ;)

In response to the fud: https://medium.com/@comefrombeyond/cfbs-comments-on-https-www-media-mit-edu-posts-iota-response-5834c7f8172d

I think you have been falling for the FUD campaign against IOTA. Progress in the coming weeks is what will tell the truth from the rubbish.

Interesting but partnerships mean progress and money and nothing nebulous about them. There are many real companies and business groups wanting to partner with IOTA. they aren't as spurious as many bitcoin investors are. They see the huge potential. The latest BOSCH investment is one example. Do you know how big BOSCH are in IoT and M2M development? ABSOLUTELY HUGE! Every coin has it's rumour mills and IOTA is not excluded from that list but at least it has the tech to back it's value up and backing by big business.

You are right in that IOTA isn't a blockchain and that's the huge selling potential of it and the problems of which you mentioned are largely solved now and were technical in nature but not conceptual in nature so not as big a deal as people exaggerated int the anit-IOTA FUD campaign.

IOTA is not undervalued I think...because the market cap of IOTA is very high already. It went from 0.30 cents to almost 5 dollars in a month, that's just crazy. ANd now the price is still very high, It's too expensive for me right now. I hope it will dip more so I can buy. But I recently join the HDAC ICO and I think it's a great alternative to IOTA because their marketcap is only going to be 200 k million usd.

I totally agree with you. Iota already made a pump but waves couldn't. That's why I think waves is undervalued now. The price of waves can go much further than the current price.

You're confusing DCI with MIT. In fact that article (Joi's) was written in response to a positive article written by the MIT Review--seen here: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609771/a-cryptocurrency-without-a-blockchain-has-been-built-to-outperform-bitcoin/

Does anyone fact check anymore?

Also, ComeFromBeyond's response stands on its own merit--even if MIT was out to get Iota--which it's not. He is merely countering Joi's claims. https://medium.com/@comefrombeyond/cfbs-comments-on-https-www-media-mit-edu-posts-iota-response-5834c7f8172d

As for moon runs, I think you underestimating Iota's chances of capturing a small precentage of the IOT market, which is estimated in 10-35 trillion dollar range, but I'll be glad to sell you back some (at a premium) when you figure it out.

I totally agree with your comment. Both Iota and waves are two of my favorites and they are really undervalued considering their high potential. They have good background in terms of tech and they deserve to be more valuable. I hope next year these will reach their true potential and make their investors and believers happy.

IOTA? This coin is full of FOMO, full of LIES, this coin is worthless, i can not understand why a lot of people are still trying to hype the price of IOTA.

And waves might be a good project, but no one is using it.

Same bullshit, different day. The DCI article is complete BS. How many noob accounts are the fudsters going to create to repeat the narrative?

https://medium.com/@comefrombeyond/cfbs-comments-on-https-www-media-mit-edu-posts-iota-response-5834c7f8172d

waves NG is live now and as @Sasha said there will be airdrop to waves holders. yesterday waves AG has registered in Switzerland. There is many news on waves platform. Its much cheaper and faster than btc even currently than eth. If we compare waves to eth than yes i can say its undervalued rigth now but eth used by many developers , new coins and that what waves needs.

iota got big pump but i dont get still why iota is not on bittrex . i dont use bitfinex and dont like binance too . i think if iota be listed on bittrex and bithumb than price will can be 2x.

The waves were $ 15 again. It was a very good opportunity. everyone who buys will earn a lot :)

Yes, unbelievable... They see some IOTA FUD-posts and spread it without proper research. Some people have tunnel vision and don't want to understand tangle tech. Probably because they are heavily invested in some PoW-mining-shitcoin.

I missed the opportunity to buy Waves. I don't prefer IOTA.
I hope we get another chance   :-\

I was holding some waves when the price was less than three dollars each, but i dumped them all because it was a bored coin.. It was never moving from the range between 3 - 5 bucks, and i got tired and i exchanged them all to bitcoins a few months ago, i was a dumb one.

From what i've heard IOTA is a scam, the tangle thing will just never work or get anywhere notable. That doesn't mean investing in scams cannot be profitable tho.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/iota/

Honestly this looks like the classic bubble chart

http://marketpredict.com/articles/images/bubble-lifecycle.gif

"Return to normal" that is.

Of course bitcoin has proven wrong this chart a million times by now, so who knows. I would wait for it to flatten a bit out.

iota is decently valued at the moment, will be good to buy around 2 before it finds new floor above $10

$waves looks ready to spike, will soon test it's ATH (in terms of btc), i'm getting some more waves

I don;t think IOTA is undervalued right now. I expected it to peak up to $10 range around July or so, and we may see at in January. $4-5 is not a sustainable level for Iota, I'm afraid: at any case, I've put some buy orders around $2 and $3.

Iot is future technology. I think iota undervalued. It deserves at least 3rd biggest marketcap and it says in future at least iota makes x5. Note that and see in Dec 2018.

So far IOTA has yet to become useful, so it is pure gamble that 1) IOTA will solve its problems (not decentralized so far, ...) and 2) no better new Tech handles MTM-Communication in a better way.
Don´t get me wrong, I own IOTA myself and I believe in its technology.

Expect lot from IOTA in the 2018 but right now it is difficult to buy it. I don't see a way to buy it with bank account/credit card for euro or dollar. Now I have to get bitcoin or ETH first.. takes time, tax and mining fee and other exchange

Good time to invest in IOTA?

https://www.emchat.net/emchat/2017/12/23/iota-predictions-2018-analysis