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All all,

I was going to invest in the ICO but after doing some research I found some very dodgy looking stuff.

Here is their website: https://www.tokia.io/

They say they are a UK company and have a UK office at 6 Thornes Office Park, but this is just a mailing address https://www.mailboxuk.com/.

The website states Nathan Tafer is the founding partner but he is not even a director or shareholder on Companies House and the company was just setup 2-3 weeks ago; please see here https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11093662

The director or any of the team are not even based in the UK so why set a company here? The director is Anna Lunhu who seems to have no experience in this field and is registered in a apartment in Monaco.

This all points towards a scam and when asking these questions on their telegram I got banned.

So make your own mind up but this looks a scam to me.

Hey, Klavis here.
I was in the chat room and Fazz asked some questions like: "Where are you guys based" or "Why are you registered in the UK if no one in the team is from there"
And then they said "If you want we can plan a meetup", and I was like "A meetup with a regular guy for just replying to the question "Where are you guys based"? That's weird.
Then they banned him, I asked why, and SHE (an admin) said: "He's scamming", Ok now let's be real, how can a user asking questions scam someone?
I got a screenshot too.
Make your own decision, i'm NOT telling it's a scam, just make your own decision.
https://i.imgur.com/jsamzYS.jpg

Thanks for the info, I think we should continue the discussion about the probable hoax, in any case, I now will examine in more detail the project before you invest here at least a penny

lol they called me a scammer??

I can confirm what told by fazz.

They don't answer question about their address, and avoid to answer simple questions from telegram users which ask for detailed information.

Thanks for the hit up.

Good work Fazz! Have anything on CAV or other R.E.I.T's. Where are you from? S.E.C. will not allow U.S. citizens to invest. Found a work around but need more input to better my work around. Anything?

Am glad i came into this, i almost reffered some people to this scammy ICO

Let see how this plays out and if they can defend the allegations

Greetings!

I also watched this ico. Regarding the high discount, it could have been a good invest, but - the telegram chat and the behaviour/response of admins on questions took me apart.
Don't know, if it's scam - but my stomach says nothing good ;)

I share your uncertainty.

Hello everyone,

first of all, thank you for your interest in Tokia. It is unfortunate for you and us, that our communication has slipped a bit and therefore I would like to fix it.

To start with - the address:

We have registered the company all of us being abroad as we work this way for a long time. Most of our projects were based on having individual roles and goals to accomplish. Our team is formed from really well locally known professionals with exactly the same principle in mind - everyone of them have their objectives in this project that will be necessary to achieve. Since we are all professionals, it is "just another" project for us, more innovative, more trending and we're happy to participate in it.
 
Since none of the CEOs of any bigger corporation reside at the same address where they are usually registered, it would be great if you understand that very well. We have registered our company in the UK because it is the most convenient location for many reasons starting from business operations, banking, tax, legal and etc. Yes, of course we could have registered the company in offshore locations like Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus and etc., but we've chosen to stay among the companies who are not afraid to show all processes and finance in the most transparent way. Offshore locations would "most likely" have given some "other options" for crypto based business. That is not what we're after. We want transparency. 

All the rest of the topic regarding the company being registered 3 weeks ago or so - well, it is how it is. You are not looking at these facts from the right perspective since the company is registered and no fraud or scam could be desired under such legal status.

Another thing - the founders of Tokia.
We have our internal agreements about the division of Tokia shares. It have many things to do with the performance of each and every founder, since the project itself is not necessarily financially backed by all of them equally. That is important to understand as for any starting business some stakeholders might be fueling it with money while others - with their experience and hard work. Therefore, after a while when the actual result shows, the stake gets to be distributed more equally, or simply in accordance to individual performance levels of the founders.

It might seem a bit puzzling, but it is not an easy task to start such company and none of our team expect to just get over the ICO and then do nothing. In contrast, all the internal agreements between our founders are made to make sure everyone will do what they are supposed to.

Also, among our advisers we have highly experienced and respected banking and finance professionals:

Steven Vermeire
Investor, fintech advisor and CIO

Steven is a Managing partner at VCTS, Founding partner at YOUNNIC Capital Partners. He focuses on coaching & supporting technology start-ups/scale-ups, works extensively with fintechs and brings in considearble ITsec experience from one of the largest Belgian companies.

Talal Tabbaa
Co-Founder of Jibrel Network

A block-chain evangelist, Talal is the co-founder of Jibrel Network, a blockchain platform for traditional financial assets. He also serves as a member of the Advisory Board at the British Blockchain association and is a member of the CryptoValley Association in Zug, Switzerland.

Kevin Allen
Entrepreneur, Crowdfunding expert

Kevin is a founder of QDDTI, was Chief of Staff at Wealth Migrate, a global real estate investment management marketplace, and is the founding Chairman at the African Crowdfunding Association, where he is focusing on bringing together crowdfunding platforms across Africa. He believes we live in an abundant world and is excited about how Blockchain technology will bring this to life.

There will be more top-level professionals advising Tokia. We will make announcements to inform our community about the new advisers.

All this is important to show YOU - all our supporters, that we are not bunch of 19 year olds with no plan or strategy, but the opposite. We hope to achieve our goals and deliver the benefits of Tokia as soon as we can. Not only for our satisfaction of getting things done, but most importantly for YOUR satisfaction.

I hope this post will clear the fog a bit. I had a couple of words with our admins of Telegram, there clearly was a misunderstanding between some members of our channel for which I apologize. If you have any questions regarding our business, ICO, team members or etc., please contact me. Tokia is going to be a fine business, just as any other could. The market needs our products and we are working hard to get them delivered to you ASAP.

I will leave you my email address so that you can drop me a line if you need clarification on any of the aspects of Tokia ICO. Here it is: anna@tokia.io

Thank you for your time and support.

Sincerely,
Anna Lunhu

many thanks to you  :) , i'm about to invest then i read this, you saved my life.

Here is the issue, if you have nothing to hide then you don't hide so we still have to ask the question why was somebody in your "team" trying to hide and not simply being transparent. The fact that you are answering here only means you are trying to save face.

As a investor and marketer I am really not interested in a team that starts a ICO with in YOUR WORDS is '"just another" project"' - whether it is truly a scam or not I know not, but it appears to be a half-hearted attempt and what has been exposed shows a lack of belief on your end in a long-term existence which leads those looking on to have even less faith in you.

Registering a mailbox address costs between $5-25 so that doesn't show or prove transparency at all.

Additionally... if you look at their team, other than listing a bunch of marketing background people, and a few finance background guys, there are no devs at all...

Big links thrown around, Societe Generale etc... (well, I know a guy who still works there - as a guard, not really a vig reference. But ok, Anna the CEO was a private banking assistant there - veeeeeery relevant for blockchain)

hmm... I guess the software will just develop on its own...  or wait.. no... I guess they'll outsource it to an IT expert company or whatever....

Come on...

I don't agree that this a scam.

Setting up in London as a scam. London? The financial capital of the world? Lets choose that as our scam location? The UK has more extradition arrangements that another nation.

The lack of a dev being called out was inevitable. Where else is the dev team listed in the real world?
Apple, Amazon, MS, Intel, Google ect... Do they launch a product and say "Don't worry, Joe Bloggs developed this so you can trust our update" Granted they do have a track record. That said new players to the tech world rarely release their developers names. He/She is just their to code, much like a frontline manager is just their to manage.

Crypto is inevitably going to go mainstream. As it does, these quirks of having technically minded individuals deciding the fate of a company will go by the wayside. That's not to say that someone can't be business and Tech.

I have read a lot of white papers, ANNs ect... It's like panning for gold, you can find one good one or never find any at all.
I wont be investing in Tokia as they are late to market. But the scam call out seemed a little unfair. I see they are also advertising on large forums and webspaces.

That guy getting kicked from the discord was a bad moved, I agree with that. Perhaps Anna Lunhu's people skills are only as deep as a calculator. Perhaps she is oblivious to what the online world is like.


Will Tokia release their DEV team names, do the DEV team want to be known?. Will that reduce the FUD?
If I was Tokia I'd release the DEV team members names.

Came here to do a search, after getting hit a few times on FB with their ads.

GLAD I DID!!!!!!


I think you guys say this in english:

due diligence

This post is a few weeks old, but Facebook was showing me Tokia ads and landed here....

This is supposed to be an official communication from, and approved by, this company?  Is this a joke?

And totally agree about the 'just another project'  ....that is a cacophony of alarm bells.   Just another project.... yeah...that sure makes potential investors want to drop money into 'just another project'  .... 

I wont even begin to pick apart the rest of the statement.

https://twitter.com/hadron_cloud/status/952209412285870080

this is nice project

My first clue that an ICO is a scam is when I find dead links on their "official" website.... Just sayin.... That's usually my "first" clue.

hope this is not a scam, i see alot of people already invested.

THis is all Extremely Dodgy.

No evidence whatsoever of CEO and Co FOunder Nathan. Where is an interview with them. Anything live.

They only things there are is couple Lithuanian Guys,
Mazvydas, Marius and Karolis on the chat of telegram, as Customer support.

Roadmap mentions "opening development offices", but there are no developers. There is no CTO. which is great, as you are going to build tech.
They just raised the price 19th from 1$ per token to 0,0014 ETH. around 1,50

Also, if you scroll up to the post of "anna" the CEO, and check that users previous posts here. It doesnt make sense. Probably bought ID.

It looks like a scam... Even without the facts and the stuff of Telegram.

Thanks host.
This good for me.
I just counted money on my wallet and decided to stop and hang my wallet on.
 ;D ;D ;D

Thank you for this topic.
For me the first stop factor was a team. After some more research this project looks like scam unfortunately (because I really like the idea).

Still for sale?

Thanks dude! It looks really scammy... I already registered and about to invest... Now, I have changed my mind and decided just to keep my money safe...

You're right to do your research and ask questions. Trust your gut. If it seems like a scam, good chance it is. Don't risk your hard earned money on shady ICOs. Too many great projects out there. If you're itching to put your money to work, you're better off putting it into post-ICO project with a proven track record like ETH, NEO, ADA, etc. Remember: bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered. Don't be greedy!

I have decided not to invest. Something just seems off with this ICO. Good luck to those that invest. I hope I am wrong and everything is OK.

Yeah after reading the back and forth I'm still weirder out by this ICOs behavior. Even if I discount the comments of newbs and read the ICO's response I am still going to wait this one out.

Not sure if this ICO is legit or not.  However, while this may not be significant, I find it odd that the CEO is a beauty care specialist prior to Tokia.  Not the typical CEO of a technology company.   I was considering investing but there is too many red flags at this point so I will pass.  If it is in fact legit, I wish them the best of luck and success!

https://www.facebook.com/AnLJehan

No need to question this further. It is 100% a scam and so sad they already have taken so many people's money and now I see their ads roll across the screen constantly which only means more suckers looking to get rich quick will surely dump their btc to these frauds.

How do I know it is a scam?

Easy. Click on the profile for Ms. Anna https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1353653;sa=showPosts
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1353653;sa=showPosts)

Look at her past posts. The account has been purchased as the previous posts before the response in this thread have nothing to do with this coin and certainly not the posts you would expect to see 15 days prior to being Founding partner, CEO at Tokia Ltd. Her linkedin profile found here https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-lunhu-15841618/ is a total mess.

Also, if you read the reply she wrote in this post, it is written in almost perfect English. Now watch Anna speak here, or should I see read. This girl has no clue at all...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlB2TaIEYHs

You really think this is the CEO of Tokia?

Here is an image showing a totally different person altogether.

https://i.imgur.com/D5o6NDR.png

I have plenty more research on other members of their "team."  Message me if you would like it.

If I were you, I'd run and run far.  

Stay safe all... don't give your coins to thieves!

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the same story, thought for a long time to invest, but after reading the statements from the company,
I refuse to invest very much like a divorce

Yea if it doesn't feel right then leave it. You can always keep an eye on the project and buy tokens after ico, if they start to deliver and things look ok post ico.

Just for information, i have name surname of one worker in Tokia with screenshots of confirmation. So in case of fraud we can report to 👮 police ;)

This is a clean cut scam !

I'm worry. I bought some tokias a few months ago. The ICO ended a week ago, but I do not have much confidence in this crypotocurrency.

The good new is that I have not bought a lot of coins, but I would like not to lose my money.

Does anyone have news about the future of this currency? Do you still believe that it is a scam?

Thank you!

Hope so, there's partnerships, so that's usually a good sign.

I can see they have already ICO sold out and have planned roadmap to be listed on some major exchanges, their wallet is ready for major cryptos storage and they have their payment processing set up already. Still you can do your due dilligence by following on their site .
https://www.tokia.io/#tabs-roadmap

This is truly reassuring from one of the major stakeholders I believe with so much conviction and vision definitely its not just a flash in the pan. Looking forward to the future with TOKIA ...... https://medium.com/@tokia_ico/tokia-financial-world-should-have-no-borders-3e6bb65a5cba

Apakah proyek itu scam? Saya melihat proyek ini cukup bagus, situs web yang bagus, dan peta jalan yang bagus. Dengan berita seperti ini menjadi ragu untuk berpartisipasi dalam proyek Tokia.

NOw tokia are online please stop with this thread failed:

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tokia/#charts

All funds collected transfer to a soft mixer and then buy a lot of criptocurrency of 3rd class, not for developer.
Never collected 37 milions of dollar, they do a himself aportations.
Now Tokia value is a 1 milion $.

The project has many suspicious points. I have a feeling that the dev team toss the token Token does not grow anymore. I hope my statement is wrong.

Bitconnect is also a scam and registered in London

https://i.imgur.com/V7fKFb6.png

First thing you should learn where to put the thread in proper section and this one deserves tobe in SCAM ACCUSATIONS or REPUTATION because this tackels about the project itself and nothing to do with the proper altcoin discussions

But i love you attitude of being vigilant and concerns to other potential victims which a very good actions that i will be thankful..and exposing this kind of issue will be an eye opener to many cryptonians

Thank you, will be very attentive in the future, because now you need to be exactly this, be sure to carefully read what the analysis of the site tells us and the analysis of the project as a whole.

I've check the sites today, and it seems the sites still active.
Does anyone has any news about TOKIA, is it really scam or not?

The exchange is open and working, and they are fulfilling the roadmap, i dont think its a scam.