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Bitcoin => Electrum => Topic started by: Rinaze on December 27, 2017, 09:04:03 AM



Title: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: Rinaze on December 27, 2017, 09:04:03 AM
Hi guys, so from what I understand, these 2 softwares clash with each other initially when Electron Cash just launched.
I'm not talking about transferring woes but rather the technicality of these 2 wallets existing on the very same PC.

This was also one of the reason why most users who was using Electrum for their BTC didn't use Electron Cash for their BCH (Most chose some other wallet for their BCH at the start).

Is there still any sort of issue after Electron Cash actually actively update their code to the current latest version?


Title: Re: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: Lucius on December 27, 2017, 10:00:16 AM
Hi guys, so from what I understand, these 2 softwares clash with each other initially when Electron Cash just launched.
I'm not talking about transferring woes but rather the technicality of these 2 wallets existing on the very same PC.

This was also one of the reason why most users who was using Electrum for their BTC didn't use Electron Cash for their BCH (Most chose some other wallet for their BCH at the start).

Is there still any sort of issue after Electron Cash actually actively update their code to the current latest version?

I can tell you from personal experience that there there is no problems with using Electrum and ElectronCash wallets on same PC.If something was wrong with ElectronCash in first version they fix it,and for version 3.0 of ElectronCash I can say it work 100% correctly.What most people do wrong is that they download fake BCH wallets and lost their coins,some others lost also BTC because they using seed/private keys with BTC balance.

Can it be any issue with ElectronCash latest version and Electrum 3 versions maybe I do not know because I am not using Electrum 3 for now.



Title: Re: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: HCP on December 27, 2017, 10:57:28 AM
The only issues that they had, was that the first version made the somewhat ill-advised move to "copy" the wallet files from the Electrum wallet directory to the ElectronCash wallet directory... some people decided that this was "The End of the World"™ and cried ZOMGWTFHAX!!?! ::)  (Note, this was a totally different issue to that of BitcoinABC which installed to the same directories and used the same datadir locations as Bitcoin Core, which lead to blockchain corruption etc)

The ElectronCash devs quickly removed this wallet copy "feature" after the backlash...

Also, there was a minor technical issue with ElectronCash connecting to BTC servers instead of BCH servers... this didn't pose any risks of BTC or BCH being lost or stolen, it just meant that it wasn't updating blocks correctly and was showing incorrect transaction info until the user connected to a BCH server and/or deleted their blockchain_headers and started again.

Lastly, they had some technical issues around MultiSig wallets that took a few days to sort out... it basically just meant any BCH on a MultiSig wallet was unable to be moved... Not really a huge deal.

Since then, I have personally had ZERO issues with running ElectronCash and Electrum 2.9.x and 3.0.x on the same PC (even at the same time)


Title: Re: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: Rinaze on December 27, 2017, 11:47:03 AM
I can tell you from personal experience that there there is no problems with using Electrum and ElectronCash wallets on same PC.If something was wrong with ElectronCash in first version they fix it,and for version 3.0 of ElectronCash I can say it work 100% correctly.What most people do wrong is that they download fake BCH wallets and lost their coins,some others lost also BTC because they using seed/private keys with BTC balance.

Can it be any issue with ElectronCash latest version and Electrum 3 versions maybe I do not know because I am not using Electrum 3 for now.
The only issues that they had, was that the first version made the somewhat ill-advised move to "copy" the wallet files from the Electrum wallet directory to the ElectronCash wallet directory... some people decided that this was "The End of the World"™ and cried ZOMGWTFHAX!!?! ::)  (Note, this was a totally different issue to that of BitcoinABC which installed to the same directories and used the same datadir locations as Bitcoin Core, which lead to blockchain corruption etc)

The ElectronCash devs quickly removed this wallet copy "feature" after the backlash...

Also, there was a minor technical issue with ElectronCash connecting to BTC servers instead of BCH servers... this didn't pose any risks of BTC or BCH being lost or stolen, it just meant that it wasn't updating blocks correctly and was showing incorrect transaction info until the user connected to a BCH server and/or deleted their blockchain_headers and started again.

Lastly, they had some technical issues around MultiSig wallets that took a few days to sort out... it basically just meant any BCH on a MultiSig wallet was unable to be moved... Not really a huge deal.

Since then, I have personally had ZERO issues with running ElectronCash and Electrum 2.9.x and 3.0.x on the same PC (even at the same time)
Thanks for sharing guys! Very cool elaboration by HCP.

It seems like the minor technical issue you mentioned happen on Electrum for BTC as well before 3.0.x. I'm on 3.0.3 currently by the way. Occasionally I'm connected to the BCH server despite using Electrum for BTC.
Is there a reason why you are not updating to or beyond 3.0.x? 3.0.x has segwit while the earlier version doesn't right?


Title: Re: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: HCP on December 27, 2017, 10:35:07 PM
Electrum v3 had (has?) some issues running on "older" versions of Windows (Vista/7/8), due to the upgrade to Python 3... Not everyone has upgraded to Windows 10, so some folks are still cruising with v2.9.3... ;)

There were some "workarounds" identified (mostly around installing the latest 2017 VC++ redist packages), but didn't work for all...


Title: Re: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: Spendulus on December 27, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Electrum v3 had (has?) some issues running on "older" versions of Windows (Vista/7/8), due to the upgrade to Python 3... Not everyone has upgraded to Windows 10, so some folks are still cruising with v2.9.3... ;)

There were some "workarounds" identified (mostly around installing the latest 2017 VC++ redist packages), but didn't work for all...

Mac OS X 10.13.2

Electrum 3.03
Electron Cash 2.9.4
Electrum-LTC

Seem to happily coexist.


Title: Re: BTC Electrum and BCH Electron Cash
Post by: audaciousbeing on December 29, 2017, 03:40:32 PM
Hi guys, so from what I understand, these 2 softwares clash with each other initially when Electron Cash just launched.
I'm not talking about transferring woes but rather the technicality of these 2 wallets existing on the very same PC.

This was also one of the reason why most users who was using Electrum for their BTC didn't use Electron Cash for their BCH (Most chose some other wallet for their BCH at the start).

Is there still any sort of issue after Electron Cash actually actively update their code to the current latest version?

I believe the concern was initially about the fear of having to compromise your Electrum simply installing another software on your system. To be on a safe side, that is why a lot of those precautions had to be sounded with loud voice and also don't forget that initially it was called Electrum cash before it was changed to Electron cash for the sake of clarity.

Even at that time, every one was advised to send his bitcoin to another wallet first before trying to claim so the initial wallet is empty. I can say its originally due to the uncertainty that prevail around the time since its the first time a major fork will be happening. Since then, I haven't heard the clash of the two especially if you download from the official sites of both.