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I've recently started to get serious in the crypto world and I'm absolutely fascinated with everything, the tech, the ideas, the price volatility and the overall buzz. I've 2x my initial investment already (BTC wise) in 18 days using what I presume is a very aggressive money management strategy and was wondering what is a reasonable ROI long term for your overall portfolio per month? If you started with £/$1,000 and doubled it every month then you'll be a millionaire this time next year. Crypto is getting more and more new investors and should continue to do so, we know that. Is 100% roi every 4 weeks outlandish if you're day trading full time or was this too small of a sample size?

Well it depends. Nice for you to make double investment in BTC not fiat money, keep up the good work.
Off course in crypto we have ups and downs, just make sure when downs you still hodling.

Well it's to soon to judge of the sample size, but if you can keep up the good work you can be crypto guru.

The answer to your question and based on my experience, 100%-200% per month is very possible. But when you already pro, 500-1000% is also possible :)

Everybody looks like a bloody genius in the bull market. You can easily double your money in a month, or even a week if you pick well / get lucky. But it can't and won't last. Enjoy while it does and make sure you withdraw your initial deposit with healthy interest

There is no "fixed" amount of money that you can earn per month, that is the first mistake that lot of newbies make.. You can not expect to earn $100 - $1000 - $10000, if you expect it, you are not going to earn anything, trust me.

there really is no telling how much because this is a very unpredictable market. and it is affected by so many things, most of which are pretty strange!

for example whenever bitcoin is rising or falling, altcoins get dumped. and at times like that you will lose money all of a sudden with no reason.

also the altcoin trading is not always profitable. there are times when coins get pumped left and right but there are times nothing is happening anywhere.

not to mention that it depends on how experienced you are in trading in general and also in trading altcoins.

Thank you, I have been putting a lot of research towards this and have been seriously considering turning towards this full time. I wasn't around 5-6 years to invest and those people are already very wealthy but we are still in the early stages of crypto and if is the future which looks likely then it's no where near mass adoption. Where do you recommend learning technical analysis?


You mean bull market and I'm well aware of people just picking coins and getting "lucky" however I am not your average punter, I AM Luckybrahh ;) .


Of course there is no fixed amount hence why I asked what would be an average roi long term. If we assume that growth rates are more or less sustainable at the current rate at least for the next year which is a fair assumption since the crypto market is still growing then that's a damn lot of money to be made.

You yourself defined the strategy to be "very aggressive", do you really think that it will always be in your favor to make a 100% putting all your capital on stake? When it's extremely aggressive, chances of losing are always high over winning trades and making 100% a month is like "too good to happen" every time (unless you're super lucky like Tim Sykes). Turning out any amounts to a larger one needs a well-planned money management and going harsh on your capital by trying to double it "all of a sudden" is not good.


Making 100% a month isn't impossible, but something too risky. Growing your capital slowly and establishing your plans into your management will help you get up in a much better way as well as provide you with a vast amount of learning experiences. If you're going to try this, do it with something you can afford to lose. I can only wish you good luck and pray that you succeed each month to choose the best investments. Remember, your choice is what it takes to make you a millionaire or a bankrupt.

It all depends on how much risk you are willing to take, and how much energy you are willing to put into research.

And the market does need to be trending in a bull direction for most traders to obtain 100% in every 4 weeks time. Most won't know how to react or how to do things in a bear market that is why I say bull is necessary.

First of all congrats on the output of your first phase trading.

What you think is the reasonable amount then that's it as we have different views.

Since profit in cryptos isn't regular basis, what matters here is ; we are gaining profits that we think worth the wait. Of course it's not $100 profit for a month or something like that.


Yes this is possible but take note of the factors including all associated risks and must thing to do for that to happened. Even price pump hard much to the point that a trader will reached millionaire status it will all depend on their strategy.

That is the first mistake that a lot of people make when they want to start trading

You can not just join in here or just start trading with fixed ideas of how much money are you going to make if you invest X amount of money, that is something that even the newbies know.

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If you really want to make money, then the only thing that you can do is just start investing money for long term, not for a daily move.

This is just what i think

everyone is a genius in a bull market. :D

some of the best altcoin traders i know have some of the most painful drawdowns i've ever seen. altcoins are seasonal, so it's difficult to think about on a "per month" basis. they spend most of their time consolidating or downtrending vs. BTC. then during a small time window, they drastically outperform BTC. this means you could have several losing months with big drawdowns before making massive gains that eclipse those losses. this is a lot like poker players who specialize in large multi-table tournaments. they grind out long break-even and losing stretches for occasional massive wins.


the markets will never allow you do double your money every month. more likely, you'll go broke by being too aggressive without proper risk management. trading is a "slow and steady" job. you need to grind it out. this "get rich quick" talk is the hallmark of someone who is going to blow up their account if they don't wise up. :P

It really depends on your capital and risk appetite. It is quite easy to earn big if you risk it, though that also means that it is also quite easy to lose an equal amount of money in trading. Problem is, it is quite hard to determine where to invest in crypto, there are so much to look into and it's really hard to make a decision just based on speculation. Probably you can earn as much as 10% per month as income and that's really conservative.

The amount of money one can make in this time period will depend on how much money we are able to pump in ( initial deposit ) and the type of coins we are trading will matter.

I like the strategy and this is what a good trader needs to do to avoid losing money should a long term dip happen.

Since we can't predict how markets react in a short time so I never target for a weekly or monthly profits instead I buy and keep coins until I make a profit. For that, the best way to check is yearly profits. In this 2017 I made a lot of profits from all my crypto investments even though now markets are down. I never check my profit on a monthly basis. 

There are many ways of making money with Crypto.

Hodling is one of them, but it won't always go up in a straight line.

If you want a job in the blockchain industry you really need to be at an advanced level of programming. Then you can get hired by some bitcoin service or exchange and make decent money. Since there is a shortage of workers these days who understand the technology.

There is also mining but its very unpredictable. Also who knows when ETH will go to POS and make all POW miners out of work.

Of course not and nowhere did I mention I had all my eggs in one basket at once. I've been using the most fundamental strategy of buying low and selling high, good entry and exit points are skills I need to improve upon for maximum EV. Bankroll management is indeed a very crucial factor to be able to succeed in this area, luckily I have some experience. The goal isn't to just aim for 100% ROI every month, it's always about maximising returns and whether that is 100% long term is another question. Thank you for your input, I will relish this challenge.


Well, funny you should say that since I am a full time poker player. I believe the mindset of a poker player approaches this situation differently as we are used to grinding out small edges which accumulate up over time. Also like a MTT you described there is a lot of "dead money" or huge value in these tournaments that your ROI long term would be much higher than say a 9 man SNG if you can endure the variance. So in a way, I see the market as simply a huge tournament where the hyped up late investors jumping on the wave when it's already near the top adding extra value to the price, then when you sell you're making a lot more than if you were competing in a field with savvy experienced investors. Good point with the seasonal aspect of altcoins, I knew this was a good period but not sure how often these periods last where the % gains are very high. What I know for sure is there is a ton of money to be made here but you need to be smart.


I don't believe in the whole Hodling culture, it is a profitable strategy since overall Crypto is growing and not everyone has time to day trade but I don't believe it's nearly as profitable to day trade. Obviously there's a huge learning curve when it comes to trading but you could say that about anything you're seriously getting into. Nobody ever achieved anything great by not working hard.

Thanks for the replies guys, still hunting out somewhere I can learn technical analysis, preferably with seasoned traders.

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For long term, the profit will not calculate in monthly report but yearly report.
If you want monthly check profit, i think middle term or short term trading you have to do. At least 30% of capital is reasonable profit.

100% per month? No way... too much.
I hope you don't try with leverage because you will blow up in no time, be careful.

100% profits per month is amazing on trading. For me, the maximum i can earn on trading monthly is 10-30% from the balance that i had, it's depend though. With big balance you can earn a massive income on cryptocurrency trading. In my opinion 100% profits per month is really good mate.

Lucky you get into crypto world when trading aspect is looking and the only thing which will determine the amount of money you'll make in a month is the experience you have since you're newbie I will advice you to start reading article about trading and study past historical data of coin before invest. However, Graft network ICO, XRP, KMD and NEM are a good way to make huge profit next year.

You can make double your capital in this cryptocurrency.
But do you know the risk? Risk also double. Make the profit reasonable like 30% a month is better.

I think that to invest properly, the current time if you have a bitcoin, it is a capital suitable for investment. With a bitcoin you can split into 2 or 3 parts to invest. If you have this amount you can invest without fear of capital shortage because you can DCA the coin you are investing at any time if you find it is losing money.

There is no such fixed amount that you can make from your investment, trading is based on as you bow so shall you reap.It totally depends on how much you invest and where you invest.With this logic you can get great return or you can fail miserably. The main things about investing in crypto is to be updated with every news that is going around.Because that can make a huge impact on your decision on where to invest.crypto currency is the only way where you can get 2x return in very short time with some wise choices.Bigger is the return, bigger is the risk and lesser is the time that is the procedure in crypto world.

I think that this is impossible.
If you start with $ 1, and double it every day, then for a month there will be 1 million!
But how to do this no one will say.

You can put all the money in a coin, and it will collapse and there will be a loss, you can not guess it.
When the coin / token goes to the stock exchange, the developers sell it quickly, and everyone else has a price of 1 satosh ...

It all depends on the one's psychology and one's trading expectation because some people might be expecting a part-time income and some might be expecting a full-time income. And if you are expecting a good full-time income then you should be the best in trading with some best strategy and money management techniques put together at work. Initially i have gained almost 4x returns within 6months just by investing in Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Monero and few other altcoins but i kept on holding the coins till there is a strong trend and momentum running over the chart and i just added few more quantities if there was a deeper correction and by this way i just averaged them on bottom for cost reduction purposes.

Reasonable? 20%-30% to help me get going or to keep me motivated in my trading schemes. But if not, then I'd probably rethink of my trading strategies and see where it leads me to. Trading for a living is really a pain especially if you don't have any patience and you want to get rich quick. I've known some people who lost it all due to bad temper issues and incorrect mindset thinking that trading is the easiest and fastest way to get rich.

100% a month seems like a difficult feat, even 50% is hard to achieve and you need an extreme amount of luck to hit the right trades most of the time.

My strategy is holding not day trading. IMO, not every month is a good month. Hence 100% gain every month seems unrealistic.

On the average, my portfolio should rise around 30% per month.

Thanks for all your thoughts guys, I may make another thread down the line for this challenge or I may not. I will update this in a year's time and let you know how I get on ;) Best of luck to everyone getting into the cryptoassets world. Could be something legendary....

My targets for slow movers are usually at least 15-20% gains through time. For quick trades, I can get anywhere from 3% to 10%.

At each on different income happens. Here it is possible very well to earn or to lose all in a flash. I do 80-140% a month

100% for a year is doable but I doubt that you can make 100% in only one month

The quantity of money that you can make (or lose) by trading cryptocurrencies is so much depending on your talent and skills, that such a question expressed in general terms doesn't make any sense at all.