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 I currently operate a fully licensed Class 1 Firearms business, and while controversial, it is quite legal to buy/sell firearms using alternative currencies as long as the proper legal steps are followed in the transfer and documenting process. I would be happy to assist anyone who is interested in exploring this opportunity and can answer any questions or concerns you may have.

In order to comply with ATF regulations laws I cannot sell under an unregistered alias. As such, I have created a Bitcointalk user associated with the name of the company to which our FFL is registered under. From this point forward, please address any requests for pricing / ordering to "SphereScape Corp". I will still be on here to answer questions through my personal account as I understand any changes like this can raise a red flag to some.

Currently I have multiple items for sale and can special order anything you would like within the Class 1 firearm classification.

If you have anything you are looking for in particular, we have access to all the major distributors and can find what you are looking for. Just PM "SphereScape Corp" and let me know what you are looking for we'll get you a quote as well as an ETA.

If you would like to see some of our auctions, click the link below to see what's currently up. We don't always post but sometimes we put things up on sale, so check back often or contact user SphereScape Corp directly to request specific items!

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?IncludeSellers=1587656

Best,
David
SphereScape Corp.

Update: August 01 2013


I appreciate everyone's understanding in this matter and thank you for your support moving forward into the uncharted.

Update: 4 Sept 2013
Please note that effective immediately, all bitcoin transactions will be based off of coinbase exchange rates.

Update: 24 Sept 2013
Refreshed thread

Update 5 Dec 2013
As of immediately, we are now accepting Litecoin for payment of orders. Anyone interested in purchasing with Litecoin please feel free to contact "SphereScape Corp".

-David

All people hear about in the news are the illegal ways people buy guns and use bitcoins. I am very glad to see someone putting themselves out there by doing things right and setting example of how it should be done. Great job man and keep it up!  ;)

I am interested, but it depends on where you are. Unless there is a serious advantage, I would be reluctant to buy from you and then pay to have shipped to my local dealer, who would then charge me to receive it.

If you have a Thompson T1B (semi) I'd love to buy one!

While I cannot yet afford guns with bitcoin (simply because I recently cashed out what little I had left to buy some crap), I am interested in the following guns.  Once I have enough, I'll be more serious in considering.. could you get the following once I'm looking:
 
 
1.  Dan Wesson Pistol Pack.  I understand I'd be looking towards $800 on up to $1500 for this.  I would be looking for at least the "basic" 2/4/6/8 in. barrels (with tool of course), but after purchasing would be really interested in larger barrels that were made for the pistol pack.  I think there was a 12 and maybe a 15 inch barrel made?
 
2.  Mossberg 590 (or 590a1) with bayonet lug.  Beyond that don't really care, I just want one with the bayonet lug, I'll have it for home defense and keep my bayonet permanently attached to it
 
So again, can't buy right now, or in the near future, but would love it if you would be willing to find/sell those once I can afford :)

Thanks for the words of support dude. Hope I can do my part to turn it around... Much appreciated

I have access to most of the major distributors, so assuming that what you are looking for is currently in production, I can get it. Just let me know if you are serious and I'll put in a request.


As for anyone else that is interested the same applies, if it is currently manufactured and falls within the definition of a Class 1 firearm I can get it. Just let me know and I'll get you a quote.

Dude, I hear ya. Waiting for my KNC orders to come so I can Coin-up myself.

But sure, send me PM when your getting close to having the coin and I'll see if I can track down what your looking for. I especially like the idea you have with the 590 - didn't realize they had one with the Bayonet Lug - would be great to have around the house for the girls... Good Idea.

Here's an example of one with bayonet lug.  It's only on the 20" barrels (I think on both the 590 and 590a1).  You can see a close up on the 4th photo that shows the bayonet lug.
 
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=357850523

yo rizzman...
any chance you can put in an order for a keltec PMR-30 for me at an honest price? LMK

Can put in a request and as soon as I see one available, I would have to give you a call with a spot price however, as These things usually only pop up once in a blue moon lately. PM me with your contact info and I'll look into it. At current prices, your looking at between $500-550. Let me know if your interested.

Sorry man, your going to run into that same problem even if you buy with fiat. The government has unfortunately turned the firearms industry into a controlled monopoly so your going to have to pay for someone to receive your firearm and go through the trouble of the background check no matter where you go.

I live in Florida, and unfortunately I cannot do end-user transfers as this was a requirement put on us by ATF order to get licensed (we are only allowed to ship/transfer to FFL's). So unfortunately, we cannot assist in this portion. We must ether ship or deliver to a FFL that authorized to do end user transfers.

 But, if your looking for advantages of purchasing from me I guess I can list a couple perks.

1. You can purchase with Bitcoin!
2. Prices are based off of a dollar for dollar exchange rate.  Exchange rate is calculated off of the High/Low average exchange rate at the time of purchase, and shall be referenced off of The genesis Block market  http://markets.thegenesisblock.com/
3. All firearms are factory new and come with full manufacturer's warranty. We do not sell used firearms.
4. There is no up-charge for using bitcoin for payment.
5. I don't kill you on prices, I only charge a fixed 15% on top of what I pay for the firearm from the distributors.
6. You get to pay with a totally wiz-bang, unregulated currency in which nobody elsewhere is willing to accept in such a specialized market.

Other than that dude, I would love your business but if your on the fence I understand.

This is, at once, a very cool and very scary post to see on bitcointalk.

I myself would not be buying firearms, but I wonder if its too easy to dupe the system to allow this to be a widespread practice.

In reality, though, I think that there are enough other channels to get illegal firearms that I don't see this becoming widely abused. In any case, please keep us updated on the success of your venture.

This is just another piece in the huge global-economic puzzle that the bitcoin community needs to remove the stigma of only existing to circumvent law (whether the laws are just or not).

Must of us use bitcoin only because it is an inherently better monetary system than anything else available today. Free-market's and the belief that the initiation of force is never justified dictates that the people will decide what is the best monetary system available and chose or not chose to use it based on their own initiative.

Agora Commodities wishes you the best of luck in your honorable endeavor

Hard business to be in. I live just up the road from you on the Treasure Coast. My local guy charges $15 for receive + NICS. Combine that with some place like Bud's Gun shop's free shipping, and it's got to be tough for you to get business.

I agree completely with that first line, this is uncharted territory, and the only two examples I have seen of companies trying to offer this look to be abandoned projects... albeit I really haven't dug to deeply to find out more information on them.

But the important thing to distinguish here is that the process will be the exact same as if you were purchasing with USD. We will only ship to a Confirmed, and Licensed FFL's where you will have to go, present proof that your not a Felon, or Mentally incompetent individual, pay a small fee, and have the firearm transferred to you in accordance with ATF Rules.

I agree. I've made it something of a mission to get other on board with using the Bitcoin, I only hope that group-think has a chance to work its magic and draw others into accepting Crypto-Currencies as a whole. But its a long road ahead and I can only hope that we are successful in this campaign.

Best wishes to you as well friend. Thank you for the kind words. I'll be checking your site out next time I buy Silver rounds.

Right about now, its very difficult. There are definite monopolies and favoritism going on within the distribution chain, which doesn't help things much. But if you can hang in there, there's money to be made.

Hi

I think this is a great thing going here, Everyone should exercise their right to bear firearms simply because id rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it,

id be happy to be your first customer want to PM me and walk me through how we can do this :)

Shoot me a PM when you have some time, and if interested. I have some ideas i'd like to bounce off a like-minded individual (relating to btc and SHTF).

So in response to ajk's question, I wanted to post some information for everyone to look at in case anyone else is wondering about what the process entails. Please read below for details and please understand, this is a work in progress, and will change as we figure out a smooth method of processing BTC transactions.



As for the requirements for transferring a firearm the process is pretty straightforward albeit a little involved the first time.  I'll try to explain the process as clearly as possible, but be sure to ask me any questions and above all, start to get familiar with the gun laws in your state.

I can't stress this enough. Especially since this is your first gun purchase, knowing how, when, and where to and not to use or carry is by far the most important part of this process. You don't want to end up in trouble with this. People have went away for a long time for dumb mistakes. Just please, read and ask questions.

The NRA has a pretty awesome site that takes you through the laws in each state and is a great resource. I Highly recommend taking a look at it.
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws.aspx

You will need the following information in order to begin a firearm transfer:

VERY IMPORTANT!

I highly recommend anyone interested go through this form and answer blocks 11 "A" thru "L" as well as 13-15 and questions before buying. If you Answer "Yes" to any of the questions 11B thru 11L, then you are ineligible to purchase a firearm and we must stop the transfer process.

Here is the link to the Form you will be submitting for background verification:
http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf


1. Look up your state firearm laws and confirm that the firearm that you are interested in is permitted within your state. This is something that your receiving FFL can help you out with when you call them. Just give them the Make and Model number and they should be able to tell you if it is legal with in the state. Which leads us to the next step

2. Locate an FFL Licensed gun dealer in your area which you would like to pick the firearm up at. Be prepared to pay a small fee in USD for the background check / transfer. This fee usually ranges between $20 - $50 USD but is ultimate up to the dealer, so shop around if it is any higher.

3. Contact your selected Local FFL and ask them the following:

- You are preparing to purchase a firearm from out of state, and would they be willing to handle the transfer.

- Ask them for a copy of their Federal Firearms License (FFL) Certificate. We will need this to confirm with ATF if they are legally authorized to handle the transfer of the firearm. Once you receive a copy, scan it - or have them send it to me directly at david.amely@spherescape.com  

4. Once we receive a copy of their FFL Certificate and we have confirmed that they are permitted to take possession, We can broker the deal between the Escrow.

5. Once the Escrow confirms that funds have been transferred, we shall ship the firearm to your FFL.

6. Once the local FFL receives your order, you will have to go to the store and they will walk you through the process of transferring the firearm. This involves submitting to a background check and filling out the BATF Form 4473 mentioned above. Again, your local FFL will talk you through this.

7. Once the background check is complete (usually takes about 15-20 min) and any necessary waiting period has expired, Take home your new best friend and and notify your escrow that it is safe to release funds

8. Tell your Bitcoin buddies about us, and help us grow.


Again, this process will change as we move forward, however it should provide a guideline of what to expect.

Thanks again for your interest,

Best,
David

By the way, for any other Kansas residents who might be reading this:  If you get your CCH (conceal carry handgun) permit, you won't have to wait for the NCIS check.  You'll still need to have the firearm shipped to the FFL, and you'll still have to fill out the paperwork, but you won't have to wait to have it called in to make sure you're OK.  It's because Kansas does a very thorough background check during the 90-180 days that are required for applying for a CCH.
 
I mention this for you folks in other states that allow conceal carry.  It doesn't usually take long at all (average for me was 5 minutes, but it on my most recent gun purchase, it took a few days during the recent firearm legislation scare when NCIS was swamped with requests).  Just another option to check in on.  Even if you never carry a concealed weapon or even plan to, it might be something to look into and consider. :)

Salutations everyone, This is David. The Company username is finally out of Newbie Limbo. Please forward any  questions related to sales of firearms to this username. In addition, if anyone is interested I am posting our FFL information so that anyone who is considering buying can do their background check on us. if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Thanks again for all your support.

Best,
David

Verify our FFL here :
https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/
and enter "1-59-XXX-XX-XX-18340" on the ATF website

+1

Having a concealed carry permit (CCP) greatly simplifies the headache of dealing with FFL transfers. I Highly recommend that anyone interested in owning a firearm consider applying for one within their respective state.

Selling guns for bitcoins doesn't require following any regulations.

All law in USA is commercial. If you're not using their negotiable instruments (FRNs) - they really don't have a say in the matter.

While that may be technically true considering bitcoin has yet to be recognized as an official currency and depending on what statute your interpreting, sure it may be considered a "Trade" but the fact is there are many other statutes that make it all but impossible to argue such a difference without a lawyer. Furthermore,  the minute you try to do this, the ATF will bury you in litigation and most likely arrest you for gun trafficking. If you wish to play with fire that is ultimately your decision and let me know how that turns out for you. But if you buy from me be prepared to play by the book, as all sales will be processed as if they were bought with USD. No Exceptions.

Guys, I would like to announce that, in addition to Bitcoin we are considering accepting Litecoin as well for payment. If this is something you are interested in, please voice your interest.

Hey All!

I just wanted to report I have successfully completed a transaction with SphereScape Corp.

David was exceptional in his communication skills letting me know where we were at every step. It seems like a small thing, but when you're dealing with someone you've never met it REALLY helps!

The transaction was flawless and the product exactly what I asked for.

I highly recommend David for his professionalism and quick turn around time.

Cheers!

Are you able to get ahold of any gen1 or gen2 roni glock conversion kits? If so please send me a pm im interested.

We should be able to get this item but keep in mind that although by itself it is not illegal to own people will sell it to you and not even ask questions however, if you are ever in possession of both the handgun AND the Roni system at the same time, you must have an SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) Tax Stamp and/or an AOW(Any Other Weapon) Tax Stamp as well, both of which are issued by the ATF as you are then considered in possession of a Class 3 weapon. I HIGH recommend you speak with a local class 3 dealer first about starting the process to get ATF approval for this device before you even think about buying it, as people have gone to jail for simply having all the disassembled pieces of a Class 3 weapon.

Once you get your stamp, definitely let me know and I will coordinate with the dealer assisting you with getting the Tax stamp to get you the product and make sure you don't end up on the wrong side of the law. At that point, we can then talk about ordering the attachment.

Additionally, don't just go off of the federal laws, know your state and local laws and make sure you can legally own a class 3 weapon in your area. Some cities / states do not allow them even with the tax stamp. You don't want to go into this lacking knowledge of the law, there is serious time involved if you don't follow the rules. Whenever your dealing with NFA items (SBR's,Silencers,Machine guns,Explosives,RPG,Mini-guns,etc..YES! You can own these if you have the money - however we are not yet licensed to sell them.) I highly recommend consulting with an NFA attorney specializing in your state laws as they will make sure you have sufficent CYA when owning such devices.

In short. We may be able to get it as long as we do not have any glocks in inventory at the time that can it can be used with.

Thanks for the info but I do already have my tax stamp to acquire the attachment I asked all those questions and got it done right after I finished with my CCW. I'm not in a big rush to get one but I most definitely am deal shopping for one.

Excellent, ahead of the game. I'll call around tomorrow and see if any of the distributors have any in stock, if so I'll PM you with the price and we can go from there.

Hi SphereScape, way awesome if you guys integrate LTC payment method.

What kind of pricetag do you have on quantities of 7.62x39? Say 1k FMJ rounds?

Was actually trying to put a poll up for people interested in purchasing with LTC, but the forum controls suck so yea...

But yea, we are open to it. I mine LTC myself with my GPU dinosaurs, so its only right that we accept it. The only unfortunately part is we have to charge higher for accepting it, in order to make up for the volatility and double conversion (LTC -> BTC -> USD).


But assuming you can handle the prices, I can get a hold of the following immediately up to 2000 rounds.


1000 Round Case Wolf 123 gr FMJ 7.62 x 39 - $550 plus shipping (Approx $40.00)

Only brand I can get a hold of right now, as the ammo market is still going crazy.

Hey all, I just bought a gun (Beretta U22 NESO) from SphereScape, and it went very well.  I waited until I got it from my local FFL before I submitted feedback, but honestly the entire process felt right, so I wasn't really worried at all.  I will be leaving feedback in his trust as well.
 
He currently has a Mossberg 590a1 on backorder for me as well, and I suspect it will go just as smoothly.
 
My local FFL was awesome as well.  I know it's not relevant to this, really, but I was in and out of his shop in 5 minutes.  Since I was a repeat customer, he had all my paperwork filled out, and I just had to verify/sign.  Since I have a CCH license, he didn't need to call me in for a NCIS background check (Kansas CCH does a much more thorough background than the standard NCIS does, so they figure if you can pass the Kansas one, you'll pass the federal one).  So my time was:  one minute paying/verifying/picking up firearm, and four minutes random talk.

If you want to buy a gun for bitcoins, SphereScape is your man. ;)
 
I even have him tracking me down a harder-to-find gun as soon as I have the bitcoins to pay for it.  :)

Can 1 BTC get me anything?

Phoenix Arms 22, maybe something like a used hi point 9mm.

Until 1 BTC goes into $250 land again there's nothing past maybe a used derringer or a cobra .380 that you can get for that amount. Both of which I wouldn't feel right about selling you as it isn't something I would carry myself. I would recommend just saving your BTC till you get something like 3.5 - 4 BTC then let me know. there's quite a few very good quality firearms you can get for around that price range. But, other than that start reading up and getting an idea of what you want. A little research can go a long way and even if your just purchasing for sport this is one of those investments that you don't want to go the "take what you can get" route as these things might one day save yours, or a loved ones life.

Best,
David
SphereScape Corp.

I purchased a rifle and accessories from David.  He provided excellent service and advice for someone new to purchasing through an FFL, as well as dealing with my local FFL for me.  I fully intend to do business with him again, and would recommend him to anyone looking to purchase firearms with bitcoins.

http://gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/762x39/

$230 for 1k rounds of tula.

That's a great price, if you can get it at that price I highly recommend you do, especially if they are accepting bitcoin for it - Thats less than cost for us by alot.

Yeah, they don't accept btc directly, but it's pretty easy to buy it with a vanilla visa or the like funded by btc. would come out to maybe $250 total going that route through someplace like itradeBTC.com.

Another excellent transaction from SphereScape!   I purchased a Mossberg from him, and it's awesome  :)

I had a good experience as well with SphereScape. I purchased a very nice rifle within the last week.  I unequivocally recommend them for firearms purchase with bitcoin.  PM me if you'd like a reference or have questions.