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Title: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: BitcoinPorn on July 07, 2011, 08:41:51 PM
From http://www.betabeat.com/2011/07/07/bitcoin-flamers-force-lawyer-to-drop-u-s-trademark-application-so-now-hes-trying-it-abroad/
Found from
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ij8uk/bitcoin_flamers_force_lawyer_to_drop_us_trademark/

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Bitcoin enthusiasts were incensed at the application’s claim to ”first use” of the word Bitcoin in commerce on June 22, 2011, the date the application was filed. As evidence, Mr. Pascazi submitted a letter from Celine Pascazi offering to sell Bitcoins for $17.50, also dated June 22. Bitcoiners say the digital currency has been in circulation since as early as 2009.

Mr. Pascazi is aware that Bitcoin has existed for a while. But he was skeptical that its use in commerce could be proven in court, he said.

“My understanding is that they are anonymous and untraceable,” he said. “So how would one prove that a person-to-person transaction occurred?”

Bitcoin transactions are like cash transactions as far as a court is concerned, he said–a.k.a., “not strong compelling evidence.”

“Nonetheless, my client has decided to withdraw the application in the United States because apparently there will be some sort of, there are lots of people interested and alleging they can prove first-to-use and so forth. So strategically that will happen today and simultaneously applications will be made in civil law jurisdictions around the world where the doctrine is first to file,” he said.

That includes France, Italy, Spain, Japan and possibly China, he said.

“In the spirit of capitalism, if somebody sees an opportunity, my view is they should be allowed to seize it and if it never develops into anything, well, nothing ventured, nothing gained,” he said.

I suggest seeing the full article at http://www.betabeat.com/2011/07/07/bitcoin-flamers-force-lawyer-to-drop-u-s-trademark-application-so-now-hes-trying-it-abroad/


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Chick on July 07, 2011, 08:44:56 PM
From http://www.betabeat.com/2011/07/07/bitcoin-flamers-force-lawyer-to-drop-u-s-trademark-application-so-now-hes-trying-it-abroad/
Found from
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ij8uk/bitcoin_flamers_force_lawyer_to_drop_us_trademark/

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Bitcoin enthusiasts were incensed at the application’s claim to ”first use” of the word Bitcoin in commerce on June 22, 2011, the date the application was filed. As evidence, Mr. Pascazi submitted a letter from Celine Pascazi offering to sell Bitcoins for $17.50, also dated June 22. Bitcoiners say the digital currency has been in circulation since as early as 2009.

Mr. Pascazi is aware that Bitcoin has existed for a while. But he was skeptical that its use in commerce could be proven in court, he said.

“My understanding is that they are anonymous and untraceable,” he said. “So how would one prove that a person-to-person transaction occurred?”

Bitcoin transactions are like cash transactions as far as a court is concerned, he said–a.k.a., “not strong compelling evidence.”

“Nonetheless, my client has decided to withdraw the application in the United States because apparently there will be some sort of, there are lots of people interested and alleging they can prove first-to-use and so forth. So strategically that will happen today and simultaneously applications will be made in civil law jurisdictions around the world where the doctrine is first to file,” he said.

That includes France, Italy, Spain, Japan and possibly China, he said.

“In the spirit of capitalism, if somebody sees an opportunity, my view is they should be allowed to seize it and if it never develops into anything, well, nothing ventured, nothing gained,” he said.

I suggest seeing the full article at http://www.betabeat.com/2011/07/07/bitcoin-flamers-force-lawyer-to-drop-u-s-trademark-application-so-now-hes-trying-it-abroad/

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=3725;type=avatar


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Serge on July 07, 2011, 08:47:22 PM
What a crock, trying to get ownership of something he didn't create nor owes. He should be stripped of his rights and licenses of being a lawyer.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: ribuck on July 07, 2011, 09:04:15 PM
What a crock, trying to get ownership of something he didn't create nor owes. He should be stripped of his rights and licenses of being a lawyer.
Isn't that what lawyers are for?


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: kwukduck on July 07, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
omg... i seriously hope he quits before it's too late...
If he doesn't he will wish he had stuck his penis in a hornet's nest instead of trying this...


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: hawks5999 on July 07, 2011, 10:34:18 PM
and the ddosing of his website and home connections begins in 3... 2... 1...


and the planting of illegal images on his computer hard drive will be complete in 3... 2..

and redirecting of various phone sex lines to his cell phone should wrap up in 3...


sucks to be a lone wolf patent troll pissing off a community of hackers...


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: imperi on July 07, 2011, 10:38:16 PM
He's definitely stirring a hornet's nest.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: imperi on July 07, 2011, 10:51:56 PM
He should immediately drop it and make a public apology. Otherwise he deserves all the negative PR and grief he has coming.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Litt on July 07, 2011, 10:53:13 PM
public enemy in my eyes.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: joepie91 on July 08, 2011, 11:33:19 AM
Mmm...

http://th166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/V46N3R/th_Jackson_popcorn.gif


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: FreeMoney on July 08, 2011, 11:45:04 AM
Is he referring to himself as "my client"?


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 08, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
Check out the 'status' on this page:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85353491&action=Request+Status

Doesn't say anything about it being cancelled.

Can anyone link to some actual evidence that it's been dropped?


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: bitfreak! on July 08, 2011, 12:27:24 PM
From the article:

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“I don’t think you will find that mark registered in any country. If it in fact is so important to so many people, as I’ve received lots of indicators that it is, I sort of ponder the question, would I let that mark go unregistered if it were that important? Either it’s not important to them or it’s important but they’re not doing anything about it because… it’s easier to sit on your couch and complain than to do something,” he said.
What a douche. He's trying to call us lazy, whilst at the same time is attempting to trademark something he didn't even create. No one has trademarked it because no one owns it. It's open source software, a decentralized P2P network. No one owns the software or name.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: jackjack on July 08, 2011, 12:48:25 PM
From the article:

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“I don’t think you will find that mark registered in any country. If it in fact is so important to so many people, as I’ve received lots of indicators that it is, I sort of ponder the question, would I let that mark go unregistered if it were that important? Either it’s not important to them or it’s important but they’re not doing anything about it because… it’s easier to sit on your couch and complain than to do something,” he said.
What a douche. He's trying to call us lazy, whilst at the same time is attempting to trademark something he didn't even create. No one has trademarked it because no one owns it. It's open source software, a decentralized P2P network. No one owns the software or name.
This

Check out the 'status' on this page:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85353491&action=Request+Status

Doesn't say anything about it being cancelled.

Can anyone link to some actual evidence that it's been dropped?

This too

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Mr. Pascazi became interested in Bitcoin recently after reading about it. He’s a former electrical engineer who worked at IBM and then ran a fiberoptics telecommunications firm for 20 years. “I’m not just some guy who crawled out of a lawbook,” he said.
"whereas all these guys are just stupid geeks not knowing anything about laws and business", he meant


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 02:38:07 AM
The Michael Pascazi (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com/) trademark troll (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com) google punishment just started! :D :D :D


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: niooron on July 10, 2011, 04:27:46 AM
It's already begun, someone in Chile has registered BITCOIN as a trademark, and they are not TradeHill.

http://web1.inapi.cl/dpi_web/ConsultasBasicas/pagina_marca.asp

Type bitcoin in the search box, and follow the link.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2011, 04:31:14 AM
The Michael Pascazi (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com/) trademark troll (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com) google punishment just started! :D :D :D

Michael S Pascazi - does the s stand for scammer ?

 :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Jaime Frontero on July 10, 2011, 04:47:09 AM
The Michael Pascazi (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com/) trademark troll (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com) google punishment just started! :D :D :D

Michael S Pascazi - does the s stand for scammer ?

 :)

nope.  shitferbrains.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2011, 04:53:08 AM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/7/9/f65297d4-9ced-4250-8bfe-c0d45f417475.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 10, 2011, 05:07:05 AM
Hahaha I just googled the name of this incompetent lawyer (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com) and the scammer site was at the top of the list already.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: PatrickHarnett on July 10, 2011, 06:51:15 AM
Check out the 'status' on this page:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85353491&action=Request+Status

Doesn't say anything about it being cancelled.

Can anyone link to some actual evidence that it's been dropped?


Catching up on posts - as of 10 July it says "abandoned".


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 10:21:14 AM
Hahaha I just googled the name of this incompetent lawyer (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com) and the scammer site was at the top of the list already.



oops  ::)

May this be a lesson for the next moron (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com) who tries to mess with Bitcoin


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Eri on July 10, 2011, 11:36:46 AM
"Hmm this guy seems nice, i should google him to be sure... 'wtf.. scammer? o.O'... better get a different lawyer just to be safe..."


i think someone killed their career :/ though he may will sue the site owner. though as far as damage to his name, i think that is all on him and he would have a hard time proving otherwise in court. i wonder if he made it into wikipedia yet as 'the idiot that tried to trademark the bitcoin name". hope he doesn't have any kids :/


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: joepie91 on July 10, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
"Hmm this guy seems nice, i should google him to be sure... 'wtf.. scammer? o.O'... better get a different lawyer just to be safe..."


i think someone killed their career :/ though he may will sue the site owner. though as far as damage to his name, i think that is all on him and he would have a hard time proving otherwise in court. i wonder if he made it into wikipedia yet as 'the idiot that tried to trademark the bitcoin name". hope he doesn't have any kids :/
/me quietly mumbles something about 'don't fuck with the internet'...


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Smalleyster on July 10, 2011, 11:48:43 AM

He most certainly looks the part he is playing.

Glad I am not him.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Bigpiggy01 on July 10, 2011, 11:49:16 AM
If he tries this shit here in China I'll sick the nice friendly peeps behind the Great Firewall on his 2bit punk ass.  ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
"Hmm this guy seems nice, i should google him to be sure... 'wtf.. scammer (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com/)? o.O'... better get a different lawyer just to be safe..."


i think someone killed their career :/ though he may will sue the site owner. though as far as damage to his name, i think that is all on him and he would have a hard time proving otherwise in court. i wonder if he made it into wikipedia yet as 'the idiot that tried to trademark the bitcoin name (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com/)". hope he doesn't have any kids :/

I'm the owner of that website, I'm not hiding. Let him sue me if he really thinks he will make anything out of it. I'm not afraid of a douchebag lawyer (http://michaelpascaziscammer.com/) ;)

Next, i'm going after the douchebag that trademarked Bitcoin for Financial/Banking Services in Portugal.
The trademark was already granted.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 10, 2011, 03:02:10 PM
Update:

http://www.betabeat.com/2011/07/08/no-one-forced-me-to-drop-bitcoin-trademark-application-lawyer-says/

(He thinks the reason we're upset is because we didn't think of it first).


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Grant on July 10, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
Seems to be (at least) the 2nd time he fails at his tm sniping strategy: http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=78687125#

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The trademark application identified below was abandoned because a response to the Office Action mailed on Mar 1, 2006 was not received within the 6-month response period.

SERIAL NUMBER:   78687125
MARK:   LEGACY BIOGENETICS GROUP
OWNER:   Pascazi, Michael, S.



Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 10, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
Next, i'm going after the douchebag that trademarked Bitcoin for Financial/Banking Services in Portugal.
The trademark was already granted.

Can you give us more info/links on the Portuguese application?


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 07:21:51 PM
Next, i'm going after the douchebag that trademarked Bitcoin for Financial/Banking Services in Portugal.
The trademark was already granted.

Can you give us more info/links on the Portuguese application?


Here http://servicosonline.inpi.pt/pesquisas/GetSintesePDF?nord=3426931

I already posted the link in the other thread about this subject but it seems nobody cared about it.

It's a consultancy company with only 1 employee(the owner). A trademark squatter also, probably.
It says it a technology consultancy company, but seeing as the company doesn't even own a lousy website i find it hard to believe they are that technological  :D

The trademark was already granted.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: static on July 10, 2011, 07:25:14 PM


wow. looks like some kid i used to beat up for lunch money.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: DaMan on July 10, 2011, 07:29:30 PM
In Europe Tibanne Co. Ltd. (mtgox) tries to register the trademark 4 days ago. And there was noone before who tried it. :-)


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 07:32:49 PM
In Europe Tibanne Co. Ltd. (mtgox) tries to register the trademark 4 days ago. And there was noone before who tried it. :-)

Portugal it's part of the European Union, so that's obviously not true ;)

You need to remember that Europe is a continent with a lot of countries, and even the EU has 25 contries in it, each country with it's own laws and bureaucracies, trademark and patent registrations, etc.
A trademark registered in Portugal can't be enforced in Spain, and that's the nearest country, so, maybe the lawyers MtGox contacted aren't that good :D

One more bit of info: In Portugal a trademark must be used to commercialize a product/service at least 1x every 10 years or else it will be rendered invalid and open to registration again. I know that because i'm on the middle of the registration process of a couple trademarks for a startup company i'm working with.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: SmokeAndMirrors on July 10, 2011, 07:45:22 PM

Does anyone else see a resemblance between Smalleyster's avatar and this picture?  ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: BTC Economist on July 10, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
The rule of law will decide this.  If he is first-to-file in certain countries and that is the law, then bitcoin trademark is his rightful property.  I applaud him for utilizing the system as it is designed.


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
The rule of law will decide this.  If he is first-to-file in certain countries and that is the law, then bitcoin trademark is his rightful property.  I applaud him for utilizing the system as it is designed.

So, should i trademark the word "dollar" as long as i follow the rules?


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: phillipsjk on July 10, 2011, 08:59:03 PM
The rule of law will decide this.  If he is first-to-file in certain countries and that is the law, then bitcoin trademark is his rightful property.  I applaud him for utilizing the system as it is designed.

Trademarks are not property. They are more like a proper noun to help you distinguish competitors in the marketplace.

Did You Say “Intellectual Property”? It's a Seductive Mirage (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html) (by Richard M. Stallman)


Title: Re: Bitcoin U.S. Trademark Application DROPPED – He’s Trying It Abroad
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 10, 2011, 11:30:47 PM
The rule of law will decide this.  If he is first-to-file in certain countries and that is the law, then bitcoin trademark is his rightful property.  I applaud him for utilizing the system as it is designed.

Trademarks are not property. They are more like a proper noun to help you distinguish competitors in the marketplace.

Did You Say “Intellectual Property”? It's a Seductive Mirage (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html) (by Richard M. Stallman)

Quote from: Richard M. Stallman
Copyright law was designed to promote authorship and art, and covers the details of expression of a work. Patent law was intended to promote the publication of useful ideas, at the price of giving the one who publishes an idea a temporary monopoly over it—a price that may be worth paying in some fields and not in others.

Trademark law, by contrast, was not intended to promote any particular way of acting, but simply to enable buyers to know what they are buying. Legislators under the influence of the term “intellectual property”, however, have turned it into a scheme that provides incentives for advertising.

So, BTC Economist, by the bolded definition, do you still think that someone else, besides Bitcoin.org, has the right to trademark Bitcoin?
Should any other business try to deceive end users that they are the real thing when they are not, just because they have rightfully(or not) trademarked the word?

Thanks for the link, phillipsjk.