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WILL repay in August 19th, 9PM Mountain time

i currently don't have anything of value of my collateral. You guys have any suggestions other than collateral?

Sorry, loan application denied.  Collateral is required.

What if i don't have anything that is worth 0.50 btc, what the fuck am i supposed to do there?  Sorry, i'm just really frustrated because i really need this 0.50 btc. I mean there at least HAS to be one option other than collateral, what did this forum do before the collateral rule even happened? Or what is it always there?

Can i give my identification? Anything?

As Vod said collateral is pretty much now a requirement. If you don't have collateral I doubt anyone is going to lend you anything. We can't sell your identification if you default on the loan plus you can buy fake ids for something like $15 nowadays.

If you give identification and a very good reason as to why you need this loan, someone might do it, otherwise, without collat no loan.

He needs it to buy some social anxiety medecines or something like that.
Just let go, Boelens, you're really the kind one, and that's very much appreciated, but this guy is a wannabe scammer. :)

This is actually an interesting question. I'm not going to loan to you, but I'll give you an answer. History incoming:

Back in the day, the number of Bitcoin users was small, and the number of bitcointalk users was smaller. Reasonable loans with a clear payback plan were often granted, without ID or collateral.

In November 2011, pirateat40 opened Bitcoin Savings and Trust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.0), which provided fairly exclusive interest paying accounts (initially 10% weekly, revised to a max of 7% weekly). This set an unhealthy expectation of ridiculously high interest. To avoid the referral-only bit, "pirate pass-throughs" were set up, where a deposit-taker would consolidate smaller amounts and deposit them as lumps into their own BS&T account.

By the beginning of 2012, lending was becoming a larger business. Lenders like PatrickHarnett (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61262.0) and HashKing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66802.0) set up businesses where they would pay interest to all depositors (the minimum rate was 1% per week) and use the money to give out loans. This was actually a semi-legitimate business because people were, for whatever reason, willing to pay 10% monthly on their loans. Here's (http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/) a summary of reasons to trust PatrickHarnett (now labeled a scammer).

Loan requests with ID were rarely rejected. Example:

(Note the lack of collateral)

Then, in mid-August 2012, pirate defaulted. This unavoidable outcome caused a storm throughout the BTC economy. It turned out that BS&T was more of a foundation of the economy than people realized. People had been taking out loans, putting them in BS&T, and then repaying, while skimming some of the interest off for themselves. Some people, like ineedausername, made heroic efforts to pay back thousands of lost bitcoins out of their own pockets, while others, like PatrickHarnett, made partial paybacks and disappeared.

Here's the thing: the id-based system failed. Note that ripper234 had a scan (http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/) of PatrickHarnett's passport,  Patrick lived in the US, but Patrick still got away with a default. Litigation and shady kneecap-busting efforts both failed. One would think that the millions of dollars worth of stolen bitcoins would be enough incentive for someone to track the scammers down in person. One would be wrong. You'll notice that only recently, almost a year after the default, has the SEC brought a case against Trendon Shavers (pirateat40). I only remember a few examples of the threat of litigation ever working, one being RandomQ vs TheBitMan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98932.0) (the defendant was 17 and probably scared).

That was a year ago. Since then, Bitcoin and bitcointalk have grown in size and awareness, especially since the April bubble. Scammers are aware that Bitcoin is a pseudonymous, irreversible, global currency, and is thus as useful, easier, and safer to steal than cash. They are aware that giving out their passport doesn't really do them much harm. Especially if they live in another country, like Alberto Armandi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.0), they can steal bitcoins under their real name and get away with it. Unfortunately for them, they can only use their real name once, but fortunately, they can buy fake ids with bitcoins, and forum accounts are cheap to create, cheap to buy, and easy to throw away.

This leaves two options for lenders who don't want to get burned today: they can lend to members whose reputation is much more expensive to create than the value of the loan (example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262594.msg2805416#msg2805416)), and hope that the lendee will similarly value their own account (thus making scamming a worse option than paying back), or they can lend to users with collateral, and take zero risk.



I hope this has been an accurate and interesting account, as it has been recalled entirely from my firsthand experience.

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What is worth $50 online that you can get for free. Hmmm...

mmmh, so you got an account on hackforums.net... interesting... ;D

I wouldn't worry too much about the loan, he'll have the money in 4 days anyway

'WILL repay in August 19th, 9PM Mountain time'

DAFAQ site is this on??? Thanks for the quick update on the child. I think he's AFK at the moment because it's nap time or recess.

That was a joke, I hope everyone got that.  ;)
I also signed in, just out of curiosity, and he's actually getting illtreated there, too, poor thing.

 ;D

Why do you need 0.5 BTC?  "I'm young and I need money" isn't an answer...

I mean, I'm probably younger than you (I'm 14), and I've gotten several loans for much more than a measly 0.5 BTC.  You're doing something wrong here.

This is awesome, props to being a fair business man at 14.

great post. thanks.

Was going to post that actually. The kids on that site are hilarious.
OP's other thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272624.0

Looks as if he doesn't have any news to repay the loan. 

Good thing nobody loaned this guy anything. Dude abandoned his accounts.

Thanks all (esp the potential lenders).  This thread has been an invaluable lesson to those of us thinking about lending.    :o

Too many of such cases, I guess all members are seasoned enough not to be so dumb :)

dumb nobody giving him any thing here ;D

He might only left because nobody wanted to lend him and would have paid back if anyone did.

Do you really think he will pay back if anyone give him a loan?  He will leave and come back with another account and ask to borrow again.