Title: [2018-01-11] CNBC: Desperate to get into bitcoin, investors slip into debt Post by: EvaGC on January 11, 2018, 02:04:41 PM Some investors are taking dangerous risks to get into cryptocurrencies.
Roughly 18 percent of people who buy bitcoin use a credit card to do so, according to a new survey by loan marketplace LendEDU. Of those, 20 percent have not paid off their balance. The phrase "buy bitcoin with credit" has been trending on Google for weeks. Joseph Borg, president of the North American Securities Administrators Association, a voluntary organization devoted to investor protection, said he often hears of people who've made financial sacrifices to own cryptocurrencies. Some are relatively benign: People who have transferred a portion of their money from stocks or mutual funds. But he also hears from people who have gone into credit card debt or taken out home equity loans on their house. That impulse is somewhat understandable in today's economic setting, he said. "We've inundated everyone with the idea that most Americans don't have enough in savings — that they don't have enough to retire," Borg said. "People want to make it up with anything they can. What else is being as hyped as cryptocurrency?" But the risky investment can leave people in even deeper arrears, said Joshua Fairfield, a bitcoin specialist at the Washington and Lee School of Law. "People are maxing out their credit cards because they think it's going to make them a lot of money," said Fairfield. "They've been right enough that people are now making ever more risky investments in cryptocurrencies." However, bitcoin should be treated like any other uncertain investment, Fairfield said. "I'd trust it less than Apple stock and probably more than some other members on the New York Stock Exchange," he said, laughing. People should never jeopardize an asset as safe as their house for volatile cryptocurrencies, Fairfield said. Instead, holding on to safer investments can leave room for some risks with other assets. "If next month everyone decides bitcoin is passe and everyone moves to ripple, bitcoin goes to zero. Now you have more credit card debt, and what are you going to do with it?" -Joseph Borg, president, North American Securities Administrators Association Another problem with going into debt for cryptocurrencies is that people will have to pay back their debt before they see sufficient returns, said Erika Safran, founder of Safran Wealth Advisors. That may require tapping other resources, potentially creating further financial trouble. "If you can stay on for long enough, I believe you will be rewarded," Safran said about cryptocurrencies. "But in the short-term, you may not realize those funds you need to pay your credit card." Plus, there's no promise of profit. At least some cryptocurrencies may soon be worth nothing — leaving people in a pickle, Borg said. "Bitcoin has no underlying value," he said. "If next month everyone decides bitcoin is passe and everyone moves to ripple, bitcoin goes to zero. Now you have more credit card debt, and what are you going to do with it?" A man looks at ATM machines (L and R) for digital currency Bitcoin in Hong Kong on December 18, 2017. Anthony Wallace | AFP | Getty Images A man looks at ATM machines (L and R) for digital currency Bitcoin in Hong Kong on December 18, 2017. Some investors are taking dangerous risks to get into cryptocurrencies. Roughly 18 percent of people who buy bitcoin use a credit card to do so, according to a new survey by loan marketplace LendEDU. Of those, 20 percent have not paid off their balance. The phrase "buy bitcoin with credit" has been trending on Google for weeks. Joseph Borg, president of the North American Securities Administrators Association, a voluntary organization devoted to investor protection, said he often hears of people who've made financial sacrifices to own cryptocurrencies. Some are relatively benign: People who have transferred a portion of their money from stocks or mutual funds. But he also hears from people who have gone into credit card debt or taken out home equity loans on their house. That impulse is somewhat understandable in today's economic setting, he said. "We've inundated everyone with the idea that most Americans don't have enough in savings — that they don't have enough to retire," Borg said. "People want to make it up with anything they can. What else is being as hyped as cryptocurrency?" Credit card debt Credit card debt 22 Hours Ago | 01:24 But the risky investment can leave people in even deeper arrears, said Joshua Fairfield, a bitcoin specialist at the Washington and Lee School of Law. "People are maxing out their credit cards because they think it's going to make them a lot of money," said Fairfield. "They've been right enough that people are now making ever more risky investments in cryptocurrencies." However, bitcoin should be treated like any other uncertain investment, Fairfield said. "I'd trust it less than Apple stock and probably more than some other members on the New York Stock Exchange," he said, laughing. People should never jeopardize an asset as safe as their house for volatile cryptocurrencies, Fairfield said. Instead, holding on to safer investments can leave room for some risks with other assets. "If next month everyone decides bitcoin is passe and everyone moves to ripple, bitcoin goes to zero. Now you have more credit card debt, and what are you going to do with it?" -Joseph Borg, president, North American Securities Administrators Association Another problem with going into debt for cryptocurrencies is that people will have to pay back their debt before they see sufficient returns, said Erika Safran, founder of Safran Wealth Advisors. That may require tapping other resources, potentially creating further financial trouble. "If you can stay on for long enough, I believe you will be rewarded," Safran said about cryptocurrencies. "But in the short-term, you may not realize those funds you need to pay your credit card." Plus, there's no promise of profit. At least some cryptocurrencies may soon be worth nothing — leaving people in a pickle, Borg said. "Bitcoin has no underlying value," he said. "If next month everyone decides bitcoin is passe and everyone moves to ripple, bitcoin goes to zero. Now you have more credit card debt, and what are you going to do with it?" Warren Buffett thinks cryptocurrencies will end badly Warren Buffett thinks cryptocurrencies will end badly 18 Hours Ago | 00:59 The misuse of debt with cryptocurrencies has some frightening parallels to the 2008 housing crisis, said Angela Walch, an associate professor at St. Mary's University School of Law who studies cryptocurrences. "People took on debt — mortgages — with the expectation that house prices were only going to go up," Walch said. "When the bubble popped, housing prices actually fell, and people's assets weren't enough to cover the debt they owed." "We've seen how using debt to buy speculative investments can be problematic," she said. "The consequences were dire." Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/taking-on-debt-to-buy-bitcoin-is-a-bad-idea.html Title: Re: [2018-01-11] CNBC: Desperate to get into bitcoin, investors slip into debt Post by: Slow death on January 11, 2018, 06:40:59 PM Quote People should never jeopardize an asset as safe as their house for volatile cryptocurrencies I already commented on this very serious subject in one of my post I repeat the same things I said in my last post, people should not make loans to invest in bitcoin or to make loans to invest in altcoins, this is not only with bitcoins or altcoins. Even with gambling for example, no one should oans to participate in gambling. Now it seems to me that some people are exaggerating, for example: Quote If next month everyone decides bitcoin is passe and everyone moves to ripple, bitcoin goes to zero. Now you have more credit card debt, and what are you going to do with it? This is the part that I consider a great exaggeration Title: Re: [2018-01-11] CNBC: Desperate to get into bitcoin, investors slip into debt Post by: jhenfelipe on January 11, 2018, 08:05:50 PM The info in the main post was pasted twice ???
Anyway, maybe some people got carried away with the price and have seen people who earn/gain from this, but I think it's really a wrong move to make a loan just to invest into Cryptocurrencies. Since there's no assurance of making profit out of this, people should think that they might get into a bigger trouble. Much better to save first before making an investment, especially if it's risky as this. Title: Re: [2018-01-11] CNBC: Desperate to get into bitcoin, investors slip into debt Post by: darkangel11 on January 11, 2018, 08:19:41 PM Quote People should never jeopardize an asset as safe as their house for volatile cryptocurrencies I already commented on this very serious subject in one of my post I repeat the same things I said in my last post, people should not make loans to invest in bitcoin or to make loans to invest in altcoins, this is not only with bitcoins or altcoins. Even with gambling for example, no one should oans to participate in gambling. It's their choice. If someone wants to sacrifice some of their wealth to potentially get more wealth it's their choice! Where's that freedom everyone is talking about? Does it end when people start making choices others are calling "wrong". It's simply going all in. To one person it may be wrong, careless, even stupid, to another it's living life to the fullest. Life is so short that you really can't afford to be cautious and hide from the world hoping to preserve that little wealth that you've managed to inherit from your family. Now it seems to me that some people are exaggerating, for example: Quote If next month everyone decides bitcoin is passe and everyone moves to ripple, bitcoin goes to zero. Now you have more credit card debt, and what are you going to do with it? This is the part that I consider a great exaggeration They are exaggerating and it seemed to have worked for the last few weeks. All that talk about differentiating, bitcoin bans in Korea and China managed to nicely pump XRP BCC and some other alts. There's a reason for everything you just have to see through their plans. |