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Title: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: ardana123 on August 16, 2013, 11:01:15 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their headquarters' address known? So why doesn't anyone go knock on their door and demand some answers? Take some pictures of their workspace and crew while you're at it and post them in this thread.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: SGExodus on August 16, 2013, 12:17:30 PM
Perhaps, it's because there is only little delay with Japan domestic withdrawal, and they are all busying making arbitrage profit than to go knock on any door :)


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: bitcoin44me on August 16, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
Maybe the CEO is in Haway with a new face, new name and a lot of money :)


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: ardana123 on August 16, 2013, 12:45:23 PM
Perhaps, it's because there is only little delay with Japan domestic withdrawal, and they are all busying making arbitrage profit than to go knock on any door :)

Oh come on, if that were the case the price difference would have already been reduced to zero, which isn't the case.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: cedivad on August 16, 2013, 01:44:40 PM
You mean, like Ver? The one on my avatar?


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: alex0909 on August 16, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
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Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: bkava on August 16, 2013, 03:53:28 PM
Perhaps, it's because there is only little delay with Japan domestic withdrawal, and they are all busying making arbitrage profit than to go knock on any door :)

Oh come on, if that were the case the price difference would have already been reduced to zero, which isn't the case.

True. Current Ask price of MtGox JPY  is ~10590 = $108.12.  So still 10% arbitrage between MtGoxJPY and Bitstamp USD.

Assuming 0.55% currency exchange cost  this loop still very profitable
    USD  -->  Bitstamp BTC  --> MtGox BTC --> JPY  ---> USD


But only one person has complained of a delay on JPY transfers despite many requests for comments from people using JPY withdrawal method.
Even then his complaint was that it took 1 week to arrive, not the 4-12 weeks for Sepa/Wire
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.msg2939409#msg2939409


If you can get your money within a week doesn't make much sense that there is such a price gap. I don't get it.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: Nagle on August 16, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
Someone really should go to Mt. Gox HQ if only to see if they're still there. Here's where they say they are:
 
MT. GOX KK, a Japanese corporation, and
TIBANNE KK, a Japanese corporation
Round-Cross Shibuya 5F, 2-11-6,
Shibuya, Shibuya-ku,
Tokyo, Japan 150-0002

Tel:   81-3-4520-6200
Fax:   81-3-4520-6209
(Source: Tokyo Chamber of Commerce)

Actual location: Tōkyō-to, Shibuya-ku, Shibuya, 2丁目11−6, 5th floor.
Google maps link (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=T%C5%8Dky%C5%8D-to,+Shibuya-ku,+Shibuya,+%EF%BC%92%E4%B8%81%E7%9B%AE%EF%BC%91%EF%BC%91%E2%88%92%EF%BC%96,+5th+floor&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Japan,+T%C5%8Dky%C5%8D-to,+Shibuya-ku,+Shibuya,+%EF%BC%92%E4%B8%81%E7%9B%AE%EF%BC%91%EF%BC%91%E2%88%92%EF%BC%96&t=m&z=16) - About 300 meters east of Shibuya Station.

Take pictures. Thank you.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: joesmoe2012 on August 17, 2013, 10:30:35 AM
Perhaps, it's because there is only little delay with Japan domestic withdrawal, and they are all busying making arbitrage profit than to go knock on any door :)

Oh come on, if that were the case the price difference would have already been reduced to zero, which isn't the case.

True. Current Ask price of MtGox JPY  is ~10590 = $108.12.  So still 10% arbitrage between MtGoxJPY and Bitstamp USD.

Assuming 0.55% currency exchange cost  this loop still very profitable
    USD  -->  Bitstamp BTC  --> MtGox BTC --> JPY  ---> USD


But only one person has complained of a delay on JPY transfers despite many requests for comments from people using JPY withdrawal method.
Even then his complaint was that it took 1 week to arrive, not the 4-12 weeks for Sepa/Wire
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.msg2939409#msg2939409


If you can get your money within a week doesn't make much sense that there is such a price gap. I don't get it.


The transfer actualy only took one day, I had mispelt my name in Japanese.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: SGExodus on August 17, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
If you can get your money within a week doesn't make much sense that there is such a price gap. I don't get it.

Because the Bitcoin community are full of armchair investors that have very low risk appetite.  Their idea of investment is something that gives them 10000% return.  10% return over 2-3 months is not worth their effort :)




Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: mp420 on August 17, 2013, 12:13:17 PM
Hm, how much hassle is it to open an account in a Japanese bank if you live elsewhere (e.g. Europe)? Because this would be quite a nice arbitrage opportunity. Just bouncing a modest sum (less than $10k, so that the international banking aml alarms are less likely to trigger) between Bitstamp and Gox could earn quite a bit of pocket money with minimal effort. Even with all the fees involved, one round trip could easily earn 5% it the spread is 10%.

Actually, someone trying this wouldn't even need to have their own account in a Japanese bank. Just split the profits with someone living in Japan. Needs to be a trusted person though.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: CIYAM on August 17, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
Actually, someone trying this wouldn't even need to have their own account in a Japanese bank. Just split the profits with someone living in Japan. Needs to be a trusted person though.

Finding a trusted person is the real problem actually - have heard of at least one Chinese investor doing this who has made quite a lot (enough to buy a modest apartment in a major city in China was mentioned).

Also opening up a bank account as a foreigner may not be so simple (I recently found that Hong Kong simply would not let me do so despite having sufficient ID as I wasn't working there nor had family there so I was told they could not open a bank account for me - and got the same story at 4 different banks before I gave up trying).


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 17, 2013, 12:24:42 PM
All i can tell you guys is that MtGox has been stringing along a friend of mine for 1 month because of a missing deposit. My friend paid €60 to track the money and got a confirmation(and code) from Bank Zachodny(WBK) that the money hit the MtGox account on July 17th, 1 day fater it was sent. MtGox was made aware of the fact their bank told my friend that the money is indeed in their account, and so far still no money, and €60 spent on MtGox's incompetence.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: ardana123 on August 17, 2013, 01:35:52 PM
Hm, how much hassle is it to open an account in a Japanese bank if you live elsewhere (e.g. Europe)? Because this would be quite a nice arbitrage opportunity. Just bouncing a modest sum (less than $10k, so that the international banking aml alarms are less likely to trigger) between Bitstamp and Gox could earn quite a bit of pocket money with minimal effort. Even with all the fees involved, one round trip could easily earn 5% it the spread is 10%.

Actually, someone trying this wouldn't even need to have their own account in a Japanese bank. Just split the profits with someone living in Japan. Needs to be a trusted person though.

forget about it, unless you live there or know a trusted friend there (which is unlikely as a european or american)


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: davout on August 17, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their headquarters' address known? So why doesn't anyone go knock on their door and demand some answers? Take some pictures of their workspace and crew while you're at it and post them in this thread.

Probably because this person wouldn't be invited inside.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: OhShei8e on August 17, 2013, 02:53:59 PM
forget about it, unless you live there or know a trusted friend there (which is unlikely as a european or american)

But the yen volume is catching up steadily. Is already close behind the euro now. But of course, still far away from the USD volume. But I think I'll track these values. Not that our beautiful Mt. Box still gets a hole. That would not be good for the price. Then we would have a bear market again.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: joesmoe2012 on August 17, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
Actually, someone trying this wouldn't even need to have their own account in a Japanese bank. Just split the profits with someone living in Japan. Needs to be a trusted person though.

Finding a trusted person is the real problem actually - have heard of at least one Chinese investor doing this who has made quite a lot (enough to buy a modest apartment in a major city in China was mentioned).

Also opening up a bank account as a foreigner may not be so simple (I recently found that Hong Kong simply would not let me do so despite having sufficient ID as I wasn't working there nor had family there so I was told they could not open a bank account for me - and got the same story at 4 different banks before I gave up trying).


IMHO japanese people are some of the most trustable in the world.

But what do i know, i only went to school there for business.


Title: Re: Someone living in Japan should go knock on Gox' door to see what's up
Post by: joesmoe2012 on August 17, 2013, 02:57:16 PM
also remember waht the big issue at hand here is. Japan is very strict when it comes to tax and financial regulation. The japanese 'friend' would be putting him/herself heavily at risk.