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https://plus.google.com/111712944683050989032/posts/jCN4rfbQQkU

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111712944683050989032/albums/5628516411616213713

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Reserved for who is Jeff Ownby.

Maybe, just maybe, I can make a connection between him and Sonny Vleisides prior to their partnership at BFL. I know I can already do it with BFL's Bitcoin Development Fund and Sonny's Webspawner.com site, but I want to go further back in time.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20020603160841/http://ownby.com/news/news.asp


http://web.archive.org/web/20020814081533/http://www.ownby.com/jeff/portfolio.htm

Complaints at Webspawner.com: http://www.000webhost.com/directory/reviews/webspawner.com



But as of September, 2012, Sonny Vleisides was still president of Webspawner: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110868.msg1207670#msg1207670


http://www.bbb.org/southwestern-missouri/business-reviews/internet-services/webspawner-management-service-in-west-plains-mo-13997



http://web.archive.org/web/20020531060043im_/http://ownby.com/jeff/images/jeffhead.jpg

From March 19, 2012: http://www.webspawner.com/users/lemyri/index.html

http://thegipster.blogspot.com/2013/06/gold-in-them-bits-inside-worlds-most_30.html

http://who.pho.to/ownby_jeffrey_po_box_1225/


http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=16297441&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=f7Gr&locale=en_US&srchid=242722271376680004677&srchindex=1&srchtotal=9&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A242722271376680004677%2CVSRPtargetId%3A16297441%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary


Amazingly, Jeff doesn't mention Webspawner on his Linkedin page. I wonder why not.

Apologies for the cache version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tCxqbBdWnDIJ:www.who.is/whois/make-a-free-website.com/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


http://web.archive.org/web/20020531060043im_/http://ownby.com/jeff/images/jeffhead.jpg

Don't click this link. IT'S A TRAP: http://web.archive.org/web/http://MAKE-A-FREE-WEBSITE.COM

http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=Q+b4KdEBzuQsai5So2wwcErkBxE/Cwc3OP3gB7/NcqJMpnHcRn+VfYe0YD3f8L/LwxDtS4pccwo=&domain=make-a-free-website.com&prog_id=GoDaddy


http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=superlinksdirectory.com&prog_id=GoDaddy


http://web.archive.org/web/20020531060043im_/http://ownby.com/jeff/images/jeffhead.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20030611013225/http://superlinksdirectory.com/

Damn dude, this is crazy! Good work if this is all true...that part about the BDF is quite disturbing.

I can't wait for all these fucks to be indicted on criminal charges, or if some customer goes ape shit on the BFL facility with everyone in it, I don't think I could blame them.

I'm not done yet!

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/superlinksdirectory.com


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8280/8762633396_350597f4de.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7396/8761531353_90e82d55ce_o.jpg

http://www.hotfrog.com/Companies/Regency-Black-Investment-Funds


http://america.webtropy.com/web/Company/Regency%20Black%20Investment%20Funds/Company.aspx
<link no longer works, hence quoting this post in its entirety here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207331.msg2218911#msg2218911>

Keep it coming brother!

There is no justice without truth!

Will do!

http://costarica.com/documents/pdf/AmBusinesses%20inCR.pdf


The above may not be relevant to my findings since I found the following: http://web.archive.org/web/20030623025330/http://www.aerocasillas.com/CR-1/home.htm

This is better: http://www.directorycentral.com/business/fl/miami/rand-university-25660701.html


Or this: http://www.411directoryassistance.com/usa/fl/10471265/laissez-faire-hair.html

Is that Josh reading Phin flame him on bitcointalk in front of the house (more like double wide trailer) that comes up in this picture?

When you put your cursor over the map, it shows a different address.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20010302093323/http://www.lfhair.com/contact_us.html


http://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/USA/FL/33101/index.html


http://www.tcpiputils.com/browse/as/17376

can you change your avatar from gage to mel gibson from conspiracy theory?    This is almost as twisted.

BFL would've done well not to p1ss you off PG. ;)

Let's see how twisted I can make this, Mmmkay!

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn77652290&docId=FTK20090122064304#docIndex=11&page=1


Pay close attention, for they may be a pop quiz tomorrow!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9ydbnkn3ju4J:www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/w/webspawner.pdf+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Grap your life preservers!

http://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.jonathan.bailey


Watch out for that wave!

https://lifeboat.com/ex/bitcoins


I find it pretty brizard that the guy who oversaw the registration of the trademark for Webspawner.com is on the Advisory Board of Lifeboat.

Take a look at this page and see if there's any other names you may be familiar with, for you may be surprised to see some of your favorites: http://lifeboat.com/ex/whats.new

Good news! I found a barn to steal wood from.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-barn-la-grange


http://www.forcestream.com/blog/wp-content/By-the-Book-Pilot-Scott-Free.pdf

Seriously, would you trust your wallet with the VP of BFL? Don't think for a minute that Jody wouldn't be in charge of customer support. Josh is probably hosting the website and in charge of PR. Sonny is the silent investor.

People often accuse other people of exactly what they're doing, which begs the question: Where did Jeff get the barn wood for The Barn?

https://plus.google.com/113962845652780854117/posts


Look and see who is in David's circle: https://plus.google.com/100557361062352325599/posts

https://sites.google.com/site/gabrielvleisidesadvisorbio/

http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/68/united-states/west-plains/

I have to admit I'm ignorant when it comes to nodes, so I'll leave it to others to see what this means.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:R-WgoJ6i0a0J:www.convivium.co.za/link-building-with-internet-directory-websites+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://web.archive.org/web/20050203133719/http://www.convivium.co.za/


http://web.archive.org/web/20020531060043im_/http://ownby.com/jeff/images/jeffhead.jpg

It looks like Jeff Ownby is now scrubbing a host of his accounts on the internet. This action begs the question that if what I've stated in this thread was inaccurate, what's the reason for Jeff Ownby to delete several accounts containing mundane posts? Is it because they are not that mundane?

What next, Jeff. Deleting your 60+ sportsbooks sites all linked to Webspawner owned by Sonny Vleisides but recently put in your name?

But, don't mind me, for I'm just one of them monumental assholes.

Thanks to Jeff Ownby's actions, I have started a petition: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280290.0

Read this if your don't believe Jeff Ownby wasn't suckin' Sonny Vleisides' dick in Costa Rica: http://www.forcestream.com/blog/wp-content/By-the-Book-Pilot-Scott-Free.pdf

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110868.0


Although maybe true, doesn't mean that there aren't any of his Laissez Faire City cronies working with Sonny Vleisides at BF Labs Inc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/21/idUSnGNX7jCmQ9+1ca+GNW20130821


I have this sneaky feeling there's going to be some changes at BFL after September 15, 2013.

I had the same sneaking suspicion. Setting up a "Changing-of-the-guard" when the alphabet agencies come calling.

Lets hope they ALL get caught in the net and Butterfly Labs becomes a cautionary tale in Bitcoinia of how not to conduct business.

Why the 15th? What did I miss?

And Phin, thanks for actually taking the time to back up what you say rather than "hurr durr BFL are scams! mah orders! mah orders!". Although I don't consider myself a BFL hater (inb4 I'm Josh's sockpuppet) this is some credible "evidence" (if you call it that?).


Kinda of off topic, but at what point does BFL regain their trust? BFL delivers FPGAs. Later claim they are making ASIC.
- "Scammers! I just bought your FGPAs and now you're making new tech!" We'll offer you guys trade-ins.
- "It's just a box of fans!" Here's a quarter.
- "ASIC didn't exist and BFL is a scam" But it is real. Here's our blueprints (http://codinginmysleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BitForce_SC_Front.png).
- "But they'll never ship! They are stealing millions of dollars!" They are shipping units and catching up. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.0;topicseen)
- "Monarch isn't real! If you pre-order now, they'll run away with your money!" ....

If they deliver the Monarchs next year, will that finally calm everyone down? Or will it take another Zhou, Pirate, or Tradehill to get everyone whining about something else?

September 15, 2013, is the day Sonny Vleisides' probation is set to end, set by the courts, along with a $100 USD fine, for his 15 year running lottery scam that fleeced hundreds of millions from the elderly.

Here's a few more sites owned by Jeffrey Boy:

http://whois.webrankstats.com/whois/prisonersedu.org

http://www.thedomainworkshop.com/bflf-org-domain-info

http://whois.polodomains.com/domain/7zKCkueg2GsG2HZf2ZI7FdgMqF2P8CUpH4UF8qp__fc._info.html

And my favorite...

http://www.statscrop.com/www/btcguardian.com

+1000 for your effort and persistence in pursuing the truth behind BFL and their scheme

All that time and effort and he has yet to produce any evidence of anything nefarious.  Even connecting (via complete fabrications) completely unrelated things together and he's still unable to actually produce any compelling proof for a single thing.  Yeah, good use of ones time there.  Occams razor here, which one is more likely:

1. BFL is so awesome at scamming that they are able to cover all possible tracks that, even when you are not constrained by reality, you can't uncover proof of wrongdoing.
2. BFL isn't actually doing anything wrong.

Which is more likely?   

Hey, fuck face! The overwhelming response is #1.

Also, tell Sonny or Jeff, that customers are complaining: http://www.000webhost.com/directory/reviews/webspawner.com

After over 10 months now, you, Josh Zerlan, have yet to answer to all those that've asked about what's the latest with BFL's FCC certification:


What part of NEFARIOUS don't you understand?

quote BFL forum

"No USB Cable in orders.

by Steve Honaker  , 08-24-2013 at 12:03 PM (67 Views)
Just wanted to let people know if they happen to end up in the same boat I was in. My singles orders arrived today, but did not have the cable to connect to the USB in any of the singles boxes.

The connectors appear to be the same as the USB charging cable for the PS3 Controllers. You can use ones you have or you can buy them at Walmart/Slackers and probably other places as well. I bought out Walmart's and got some more at slackers to cover all the units and all are running at the advertised hash rate with those cables.

Hopefully I can get BFL to reimburse for the cables if I send them the receipt, regardless 5 dollar cables are worth the amount of Bitcoin production."

BFL: no PSU, no USB cable, poor quality fan , "mistake" express shipping rate, etc...

nothing wrong...

And a Public Service Announcement!
If you have ordered from BFL and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).
First ask Butterfly Labs for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.
If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with BFL to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product delivered for months, just more promises.

There are also several threads on how to get a refund from BFL, here are two:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0

BFL: no PSU, no USB cable, poor quality fan , "mistake" express shipping rate, etc...

Nothing nefarious to see here! Carry on.

@Inaba
By the looks of it, BFL must be doing something wrong since the forum is flooded with negative posts regarding BFL.
Why do BFL continue to hold their customers in the dark regarding shipping and expected time of delivery?
Understand that people paid quite a lot of money for a product that they haven't received!

If BFL got nothing to hide, tell your customers whats up. If you guys were to play with open cards and have a little respect and understanding for all the frustrated customers that feel like they are being butt fucked due to the lack of information from BFL, maybe the tone would change

Ah, yes, a BLOG post... such a great way to contact a company.  E-mail is SOOOOO passe these days.  Why, if I didn't know better, I'd think he was trolling!

I started this diatribe due to their complete lack of respect for the very people that put them in the position they are now. The final straw was Josh calling BFL's most loyal investors monumental assholes. It doesn't get any worse than that! Anybody, and I FUCKIN' MEAN ANYBODY, that stands up for BFL in spite of just that one event, also no longer deserves respect, for that was completely uncalled for.

Here's another way when a company ignores their calls: http://www.000webhost.com/directory/reviews/webspawner.com

I'm tired to doing all the work around here. Google the above and see if you can link it to Sonny Vleisides' poker site.

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?4656-Got-a-Question-about-bitcoins-I-cant-figure-out


Bet you can't guess who owns bitcoinx.com.

Compared to the number of orders shipped, the number of complaints are virtually non-existent.  That's not to say we are not trying to improve our process, but at this point in time the "problems" to orders shipped is less than 1%, which is a pretty good ratio, but yes ideally we'd like to get that to 0%.  In general, people only take to the forums when there's a problem, not when they are happy.  There are some exceptions, but it's very rare.

If you have a problem with your order that you've received, contact us and we'll try to make it right.

"the number of complaints are virtually non-existent"

lol. Like you give a fuck about your customers.

Thank you for your response.
I tend to agree with you, that the negative reviews are dominating the forums, because people is more likely to express their concerns when they have had a bad experience, rather then the good one. Is BFL doing enough to clear any of these concerns with their customers taking to the forums? By the looks on this site, I would say you guys can do better in that area.
Whether the numbers are true or not I cant comments on that. But I find it to be a rather important information, regarding BFL's capability to process orders and have them shipped. You should definitely share this kind of information with your customers.

I know you cant answer all threads in here. But every now and then you should keep people updated with useful information regarding shipping and processing orders and so on.
This is a quote from you site:

You seem a bit reluctant to do update? Please understand that a simple update every now and then is enough to keep people calm and happy. As I have written earlier, you should definitely try to stay more in touch with your customers.

Again, thank you for your response and good luck in the future

Lies lies lies lies lies all lies.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=247310.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280092.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280514.0

Someone should make a master page, maybe we can convince the site admin to sticky it (lol).

For the record, this seems relevant to this thread too:

CoinReport, Posted On 16 Jul 2014
‘A Strong Stench of Fraud’: Butterfly Labs Allegedly Buys Buttcoin.org
https://coinreport.net/butterfly-labs-buys-buttcoin-domain-reputation-management/

Yea, accept that Phinneas disappeared and before he did he no longer seemed to care about the screwing that BFL is doing... it's almost as if they paid him off and/or gave him a pair of cement galoshes.

His last major investigations were about (1) Brock Pierce and (2) Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, and their connecitions, on which he worked  energically up to the eve of his disappearance.   However, given the almost complete lack of interest of the community, he may have just got fed up with that topic.   (I would have given up much earlier.  I hope he will devote his energy to something more rewarding than trying to protect this community from the scammers and incompentent entrepreneurs it seems to love so much.  :P)

On his last day at this forum, he posted about Black Arrow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294197.msg7351578#msg7351578), another miner manufacturer apparently delaying its shipments, and referred to AMT, yet another one which seems to have been an old bone of his. 

If he was indeed "convinced" to shut up, there is no lack of suspects...

Conveniently, Jeffrey Scott Ownby, co-founder of Butterfly Labs (BFL) expunged the above info.

PG rides again ;-)

Why is he not PG?