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As of these current time All the Asic Vendors have not meet their delivery dateline and promises. Butterfly over a year late in delivery and Avalon 3 to 6 months late and many have not received their miners and the asic chips.

Now we must issued an ultimatum to these vendors that if they cannot Guarantee on time Delivery we will NOT Buy from them. Difficulty is raising by the day for non delivery.

Their claims of how superior their chips were are irreverent when they can't deliver.  If they can't deliver on time, they are no better than calling them a Scammer and Scumbag that cannot delivers.

Signs of a SCAM:

1) No to very little communication after receiving your payment

2) Hardly any updates

3) Updates that not reverent to purchase, example instead of talking about chips progress they divert to casing and psu stuffs.

4) You write or called them but they don't reply your calls or emails

5) They ONLY accepts Bitcoins.

6) They gave excuses and reason for the delay

Solutions / Suggestions:

1) Must have weekly updates on the Asic Chip Production progress: a) Date of Tape Out b) Mask and Wafer delivery date c) Chip delivery date

2) Must Accept Paypal / Visa and Master Card

3) They must reply to your calls or emails within 24 hours

4) They MUST have a Guarantee Delivery Date with a Specific dates example November 10th, December 20th etc..

5) If within a month towards delivery date but with limited progress or no updates you can cancel order and get refunds within 24 hours

6) Suggest to go for vendors that can deliver within 1 month after you place the order. Asicminer is 2 weeks if not mistaken.   

the above points will greatly enhanced trusts from buyers to sellers. protecting both the sellers and the buyers.

Totally agree with this

You just described avalon perfectly.

Thanks for all the comments.  :)

NO VISA/MASTERCARD OR PAYPAL

ONLY BITCOIN WITH A THIRD PARTY ESCROW

USE YOUR HEADS GUYS

To the newbie please be aware that if you have credit card protection and your asic vendors does not deliver or delivery very late you can get a refund, but if your vendor don't accept credit cards or paypal you will loose your protection rights and never get your money back 

eve, you are mostly right, but may I ask you why you are doing this? you was pissed by BFL/Avalon and this is part of you revenge?.)

I believe something must have angered eve, but he/she is growing on me. The enthusiasm is relentless. ;)

Making sure the consumers don't get SCAM by those non - deliveries.

Sounds like KNC is trust worthy then. They accept CC/paypal things. If they deliver on time, they will be heroes here

Even for KNC we don't know yet? But delivery on a specific time is important. That must be Guarantee or Full Refund within 24 hour!

We don't know about KNC yet? No News or updates for weeks, those who have orders from them are worry. If they delivers ON TIME that
will be awesome a benchmark for others to meet. We will see. The good thing is they accept credit cards through paypal, so that part is cover.