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Title: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on August 19, 2013, 03:43:15 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/2466/h3b0.png

6 blocks were found withing half an hour... just to wait more than a whole hour to find the 7th one.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: atomium on August 19, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
hmm...how come?


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: WinVery.com on August 20, 2013, 04:46:30 AM
That looks like what flux would do.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 21, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
Another interesting screenshot:

http://s21.postimg.org/ywunlajav/blocks.png


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Snail2 on September 22, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
:) Looks good.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: infobiactrader on September 22, 2013, 09:10:35 PM
This is actually one of the few annoyances I have with btc.  It always seems that when I choose to send some coins is the time when blocks won't be found for at least another 20 minutes.  Must just be my terrible luck.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 22, 2013, 09:14:08 PM
This is actually one of the few annoyances I have with btc.  It always seems that when I choose to send some coins is the time when blocks won't be found for at least another 20 minutes.  Must just be my terrible luck.

Ur luck is not so terrible :). I recall 2 times when I had to wait an hour for a next block.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: beeblebrox on September 22, 2013, 09:46:34 PM
It would have been very easy to significantly reduce the variation in block times when bitcoin was designed.  All Satoshi had to do was require that multiple hashes were to be found by the miner per block.  eg:  if each miner had to find 50 hashes that met the difficulty target per block then the block periods would not have much variation.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: gmaxwell on September 22, 2013, 09:52:20 PM
It would have been very easy to significantly reduce the variation in block times when bitcoin was designed.  All Satoshi had to do was require that multiple hashes were to be found by the miner per block.  eg:  if each miner had to find 50 hashes that met the difficulty target per block then the block periods would not have much variation.
I always find it gratifying to see all these armchair experts with their "very easy" "improvements" which would hose the security.

We actually need the variation in order to have a decisive consensus. Even ignoring the bandwidth and dos vulnerability that would arise from cumulative work proofs, and the consolidation risks from turning mining into a race... the problem with incremental work POW is that it's not much of a lottery, which means that you'd constantly be losing hash power to orphaning as miners find solutions at very close to the same time.

If this isn't obvious to you after it's pointed out, imagine if instead every miner found a block _exactly_ ten minutes after the last block: Exach miner would have their own chain, none longer than any others... the network split into a zillion separate universes.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: beeblebrox on September 22, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
It would have been very easy to significantly reduce the variation in block times when bitcoin was designed.  All Satoshi had to do was require that multiple hashes were to be found by the miner per block.  eg:  if each miner had to find 50 hashes that met the difficulty target per block then the block periods would not have much variation.
I always find it gratifying to see all these armchair experts with their "very easy" "improvements" which would hose the security.

We actually need the variation in order to have a decisive consensus. Even ignoring the bandwidth and dos vulnerability that would arise from cumulative work proofs, and the consolidation risks from turning mining into a race... the problem with incremental work POW is that it's not much of a lottery, which means that you'd constantly be losing hash power to orphaning as miners find solutions at very close to the same time.

If this isn't obvious to you after it's pointed out, imagine if instead every miner found a block _exactly_ ten minutes after the last block: Exach miner would have their own chain, none longer than any others... the network split into a zillion separate universes.

actually I'm aware that you need a bit of variation so that the fastest miner doesn't dominate.  This is the payoff involved- you need to balance the fastest miner consistently winning versus variation.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: gmaxwell on September 22, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
actually I'm aware that you need a bit of variation so that the fastest miner doesn't dominate.  This is the payoff involved- you need to balance the fastest miner consistently winning versus variation.
Sure, and you can equally do that balance (making blocks happen below some time a greater portion of the time) just by lowering the time between blocks— without out the cumulative work advantage that creates an expected return increase for larger miners or increasing the proof size.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: hashman on September 23, 2013, 11:39:24 AM

If this isn't obvious to you after it's pointed out, imagine if instead every miner found a block _exactly_ ten minutes after the last block: Exach miner would have their own chain, none longer than any others... the network split into a zillion separate universes.

Imagine further that radioactive decay were no longer stochastic but set to a timer...  Thank god for dice! 


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: saif313 on September 23, 2013, 02:33:50 PM
:) Looks good.

very interesting screenshots  :D


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: FreeMoney on September 23, 2013, 04:50:01 PM
I love speculating about bitcoin's far future.

When the block subsidy is gone or insignificant it won't be profitable to mine immediately after a block is found as there will be no waiting fees.

As fees pile up hashing power comes back online, the average is still 10 minutes, but the variance is reduced. Though average times during busiest hours (in the bitcoiniest parts of the world?) will be lower.

ASICs kind of muck this up as they probably can't do anything else profitably (different chain maybe?) and it may be worse to power them on and off every few minutes I don't know.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 30, 2013, 12:37:54 PM
6 blocks in a row...

http://s7.postimg.org/855w73i0r/50btc.png


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: naphto on September 30, 2013, 01:06:13 PM
50BTC is lucky, or has a lot of hash power?  :o


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: hayek on September 30, 2013, 01:48:31 PM
I don't think this is anything new. There is no guarantee of a 10 minute block time, just a good chance.


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: bitcoin44me on September 30, 2013, 01:49:42 PM
I don't think this is anything new. There is no guarantee of a 10 minute block time, just a good chance.


Yes but 3 blocks in 1 min is like: WTF?


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 30, 2013, 02:16:47 PM
I don't think this is anything new. There is no guarantee of a 10 minute block time, just a good chance.


Yes but 3 blocks in 1 min is like: WTF?

I recall when I was playing SatoshiDice I got 10 winning 50% bets in a row...


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on December 30, 2013, 09:14:47 PM
Interesting coincidence:

http://s27.postimg.org/n5pdrecyr/777.png


Title: Re: When Luck laughs in face...
Post by: Peter R on December 30, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
How long we expect to wait for the next block to be found does not depend on how long we've already been waiting for it.