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Title: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: LukasP33 on August 22, 2013, 10:17:15 AM Hello,
I just came across this website through bitmit.. and I don't know what to think it's pro-miners.net and they claim to have Avalon and BFL miners in stock and ready to ship. Has anyone gained any experiences with them? what do you think?? Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: Olly_K on August 22, 2013, 10:32:58 AM scam
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: CrashX on August 22, 2013, 10:57:03 AM Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: jdebunt on August 22, 2013, 11:22:46 AM +2, it's pretty obvious :)
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: monsters4r on August 22, 2013, 12:27:25 PM SUPER SCAM :o
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: monsters4r on August 22, 2013, 12:32:49 PM Website chat
Maria: How may I help you? visitor: Publish one photo when I can see the different products. Maria: Yes, all products are in hand. visitor: SCAM Maria: I recommend you send an E-Mail regarding this matter: prominers.contact@gmail.com. To place an order, simply write an E-Mail as well. Maria: In order to contact you with further information, please provide me with your E-Mail adress. Or you can write a direct E-Mail to prominers.contact@gmail.com visitor: BOT ? Maria: I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean? visitor: Publish one photo when I can see the different products. Maria: Yes, all products are in hand. visitor: SCAM Maria: Would you like to get advice and quote from our experts? Maria: Don’t miss this opportunity. Simply type in your E-Mail Adress. visitor: Without photos this a another SCAM Maria: I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean? STAY AWAY GUYS !!!! Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: Bicknellski on August 22, 2013, 12:42:56 PM And stay away from Avalon and BFL while you are at it.
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: BTCscraper on August 22, 2013, 12:57:44 PM Pointless to chat with Maria, as it's a _virtual_ agent. :-)
BFL should install one that automatically responds to emails that contain the word "refund". They may be able to cut 90% of CS staff that way. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: LukasP33 on August 22, 2013, 02:10:16 PM yes I used the chat as well, it's automated so you can't really ask her questions like an actual human.. was wondering about that as well ^^
on their twitter someone mentioned that they received a miner from them? Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: thecube891 on August 22, 2013, 03:20:15 PM well, I actually just picked up my avalon from them (directly)
yeah the chat is a bot, but they actually deliver they're not scammers, i have a picture proof Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: k9quaint on August 22, 2013, 03:21:43 PM Looks legit. Jump on it. :-\
(tries reverse psychology) Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: monsters4r on August 22, 2013, 03:51:18 PM i have a picture proof Thank to share with us this picture proof 8) Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: k9quaint on August 22, 2013, 04:11:40 PM well, I actually just picked up my avalon from them (directly) yeah the chat is a bot, but they actually deliver they're not scammers, i have a picture proof Name: thecube891 Posts: 15 Activity: 14 Position: Jr. Member Date Registered: August 16, 2013, 10:46:32 AM Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: BTCscraper on August 22, 2013, 04:32:16 PM k9quaint, you forgot to mention that all his posts were made today, in the last 6 hours or so.
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: cardcomm on August 22, 2013, 04:56:55 PM k9quaint, you forgot to mention that all his posts were made today, in the last 6 hours or so. With all those posts in one day, I'm sure he'll be back to post that photo "Real Soon Now". Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: thecube891 on August 22, 2013, 05:16:37 PM well, I actually just picked up my avalon from them (directly) yeah the chat is a bot, but they actually deliver they're not scammers, i have a picture proof Name: thecube891 Posts: 15 Activity: 14 Position: Jr. Member Date Registered: August 16, 2013, 10:46:32 AM k9quaint, you forgot to mention that all his posts were made today, in the last 6 hours or so. With all those posts in one day, I'm sure he'll be back to post that photo "Real Soon Now". so what, just because I am new on here it is impossible that I purchased a miner? here is the pic http://i41.tinypic.com/2z7mrnk.jpg Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: greenbtc on August 22, 2013, 05:22:29 PM well, I actually just picked up my avalon from them (directly) yeah the chat is a bot, but they actually deliver they're not scammers, i have a picture proof Name: thecube891 Posts: 15 Activity: 14 Position: Jr. Member Date Registered: August 16, 2013, 10:46:32 AM k9quaint, you forgot to mention that all his posts were made today, in the last 6 hours or so. With all those posts in one day, I'm sure he'll be back to post that photo "Real Soon Now". so what, just because I am new on here it is impossible that I purchased a miner? here is the pic http://i41.tinypic.com/2z7mrnk.jpg Where are they located, since you picked it up directly? Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: thecube891 on August 22, 2013, 06:16:34 PM Where are they located, since you picked it up directly? they are located in southern austria Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: monsters4r on August 22, 2013, 10:29:39 PM k9quaint, you forgot to mention that all his posts were made today, in the last 6 hours or so. And photos he sent to me are taken from bitcointalk >:( Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: k9quaint on August 22, 2013, 10:38:33 PM http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=adbb7e4acdbca792181bb0ecaebdcf390d720741.280358
Via ELA, you can see the pro-miners placard was added digitally to a pre-existing photo of an Avalon. You can see a dramatic difference in error levels between to two sections of the image. You can also see rainbowing around the edges. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 12:18:08 AM Out of curosity, i sent out a couple of emails to prominers. I asked them to show me a proof that they have the units on hand. Just a few minutes ago I received this email from the prominers contact J. Baumgartlinger
one of the images for Avalon is the same one I got, while a additional picture of BFL miner as well. This is very similar to the post of the bitcointalk user allten (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236794.0). I doubt allten is the pro-miner guy. https://i.imgur.com/jw6oB48.gif I checked out their twitter. they have posted the big rig as well https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BR4-_rMCAAAgVE6.jpg:large Source: https://twitter.com/ProMinersNet/status/368801483124244481/photo/1 I am not an expert but looks like a photoshop of the miner. you decide!!! For me it doesnt instill a lot of confidence Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 12:24:22 AM Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: BTCscraper on August 23, 2013, 02:06:41 AM I thought a black card or hard sheet of some sort occupied the space for the minirig screen? I saw a minirig pic somewhere where that specifically was described -- that there is no screen on the minirig.
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: tacoman71 on August 23, 2013, 02:48:36 AM If you look closely at the chat, the chat software came from http://www.virtualspirits.com/ (http://www.virtualspirits.com/)
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: Inaba on August 23, 2013, 03:59:59 AM We have not sent copper heat sinks to anyone that would resell the unit and I'd like to know how they got a hold of a NEX1500, with one of our cables that is for a Jalapeno (not a single), plus the rest of the parts to a minrig that that should be in a minirig...
I'd also like to know how that unit is mining, since it's not plugged into the USB port. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 04:01:20 AM I thought a black card or hard sheet of some sort occupied the space for the minirig screen? I saw a minirig pic somewhere where that specifically was described -- that there is no screen on the minirig. here is the reference link of how the mini rig is currently delivered https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276670.0 Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 04:10:24 AM continuing on my saga with the pro-miners. I asked him if he can point his rigs to a pool of my choice for 15 mins...I randomly created an account on BTCGuild and sent him the details.
the 1st rig powered up in a couple of mins, was supposed to be 50 GH/s BFL here is the screenshot https://i.imgur.com/yvwqP9M.png https://i.imgur.com/FpVMzHE.png the 2nd rig powered up after 10 mins of BFL run time was Avalon 80 GH/s here is the screenshot https://i.imgur.com/we742Re.png looks like he does has some hashing power on his/her hands.... Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: Inaba on August 23, 2013, 04:24:33 AM I took a bit of a closer look at this picture. That unit is one of our development units with short boards inside... I thought that setup looked familiar. It is a total scam. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 04:33:32 AM I took a bit of a closer look at this picture. That unit is one of our development units with short boards inside... I thought that setup looked familiar. It is a total scam. Thanks Inaba.....but somehow he has some hashing power on his hands.....he was able to direct almost 80GH/s to a pool I asked him to...not sure how he did it. but did so consistently for 20 mins. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: k9quaint on August 23, 2013, 04:43:00 AM I took a bit of a closer look at this picture. That unit is one of our development units with short boards inside... I thought that setup looked familiar. It is a total scam. Thanks Inaba.....but somehow he has some hashing power on his hands.....he was able to direct almost 80GH/s to a pool I asked him to...not sure how he did it. but did so consistently for 20 mins. They need only know someone with an Avalon, they could run 1 module, then 2, then 3 to simulate multiple units. Plus, the question is not whether they have at least 1 unit. The question is, if you send them BTC with no escrow, will they send you hardware. After so many questions about the authenticity of the pictures, I wouldn't do business with them unless via a reputable escrow service. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 04:57:51 AM They need only know someone with an Avalon, they could run 1 module, then 2, then 3 to simulate multiple units. Plus, the question is not whether they have at least 1 unit. The question is, if you send them BTC with no escrow, will they send you hardware. After so many questions about the authenticity of the pictures, I wouldn't do business with them unless via a reputable escrow service. +1 Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: J3nc on August 23, 2013, 07:10:13 PM I also out of curiosity mailed them about purchasing a bfl miner this is how the conversation went.
Quote I'm interested in buy a asic miner but I have some questions 1st. Is it possible to do a local pick up? Can I pay on delivery/pick up or do I need to wire/send founds 1st? Quote Hello! Thank you for your interest in our company. Yes, local pick up is possible - where do you live? We are located in austria that's why direct pick up is too far for most people. If you'd like to ship, shipping fees are on us. It is also possible to direct some hasing power to a pool of your choice, so that you can be 100% sure we have the miners in hand. Which miner are you interested in? Quote Hi again, I would prefer local pick up as I can make sure everything is in order. I live in Slovenia close to Austrian border. I'm interested in BFL 25gh or 50gh miners. Quote Hello, Well please understand that all our Miners together are woth thousands of Euros. That's why we don't make our location public, it is much too dangerous! So shipping would be easier and safer for both of us. You can pay via bitcoin or paypal. With paypal, you even have double guarantee: The buyer protection from paypal and the product guarantee from the developer (butterfly labs). So you have 2x security + I can send you pictures + we can let the miner work for a pool of your choice for 20 minutes or so, you will get some BTC for free and will be sure that we actually have them in hand. This way, you are 100% safe. Quote I would prefer to do a local pick up even if not at your exact location. I know you can provide pictures and a good 80G of hashing power to any pool/account but that still does not equal holding an actual miner in my hands even if its in a parking lot of a shopping mall. So even if you are really selling asic miners you have so far almost no credibility, meeting me in person and selling me an actual miner would boost your credibility and I could vouch for you on bitcointalk. Any way I will be paying with bitcoins so unless your willing to use an escrow agent like John K shipping is out of the question. No conversation since and considering 1st few mails were less then half an hour apart I would say I'm not getting a reply. Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: KS on August 23, 2013, 07:36:43 PM We have not sent copper heat sinks to anyone that would resell the unit and I'd like to know how they got a hold of a NEX1500, with one of our cables that is for a Jalapeno (not a single), plus the rest of the parts to a minrig that that should be in a minirig... I'd also like to know how that unit is mining, since it's not plugged into the USB port. You've got my virtual thanks for unmasking this scammer! [@OP/MOD: this thread should be moved + add scam tag] Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: peonminer on August 23, 2013, 07:59:29 PM We have not sent copper heat sinks to anyone that would resell the unit and I'd like to know how they got a hold of a NEX1500, with one of our cables that is for a Jalapeno (not a single), plus the rest of the parts to a minrig that that should be in a minirig... I'd also like to know how that unit is mining, since it's not plugged into the USB port. You've got my virtual thanks for unmasking this scammer! [@OP/MOD: this thread should be moved + add scam tag] My question is, how did a scammer get a hold of dev boards? or is it a stolen pic? Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: Inaba on August 23, 2013, 08:04:55 PM It's a stolen pic, since I'm the one that took it! :) It's just been photoshopped quite a bit.
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: QueenB on August 23, 2013, 08:33:42 PM It's a stolen pic, since I'm the one that took it! :) It's just been photoshopped quite a bit. Kudos to the unmasking effort by the community...Love it :) Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: Bitcoinorama on August 23, 2013, 08:37:43 PM They have an affiliate program, where they give you 0.05BTC for every friend you scam!
Title: Re: avalon + BFL miners in hand? pro miners Post by: peonminer on August 23, 2013, 09:33:23 PM It's a stolen pic, since I'm the one that took it! :) It's just been photoshopped quite a bit. Kudos to the unmasking effort by the community...Love it :) Side note: BFL may have hiccups but at least you guys still help the customer. I see more and more ASIC companies fall behind each day. We all do. New ASIC companies who were trusted on faith alone, but now have failed to deliver on time. The way shipping is picking up on those Jallys, i'll be racing home from work one day soon :D Keep on truckin' BFL. Monarchs do sound mythical, but hell, so did a lot of other inventions. It'll be very interesting to see how the next year of BTC super computers plays out. |
