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Some analysts explain the recent decline of Bitcoin price by the Wall Street investors, who tries to enter the market massively for a discount price after the first future contracts expired January 26.

Here a quote from a trader with large followers on Telegram:


What do you think?

its true ! some Wall Street investors took an opportunity as investor confidence declined slightly, although some Wall Street investors openly expressed doubts on other cryptocurrencies.

I think it's possible that the investors in Wall Street, for the benefit of it, manipulate bitcoin very well.
It's not the first time they've manipulated the stock market, and we have every reason to believe they're trying to manipulate bitcoin prices.

Institutional capital will always have a massive impact on the small Bitcoin market. As Andreas once said in one of his videos, Wall street traders will eat a sandwich with one hand and push the buttons on a keyboard for a Billion dollar investment with the other hand. <Other people's money>

These people know how to game the system and they have massive amounts of money to manipulate small markets like Bitcoin. The more bitcoins we sell to them, the stronger they will become and the more manipulation will be done in the future.

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Well, if Wall Street investors are trying to enter the market to get bitcoin at a discount they weren't involved in the decline. If there was a dump of bitcoin to try to initiate a lower price point, it could have been done by anyone and most likely by someone who is NOT on Wall St. because you'd need a lot of coin to make it happen, and an early adopter would better be able to have that kind of coin.

The reality is that the recent addition of futures to the CME and CBOE has not had an impact on creating more volatility of the price. It has required that futures contract investors own and hold bitcoin. And anyone that owns and holds bitcoin can eventually sell it. But the volatility of futures contracts has zero direct impact on the volatility of buying/selling for bitcoin. Why? Because futures contracts don't hit the blockchain.

I think these investment institutions will have a certain impact on the cryptocurrency market, but they can't manipulate the entire cryptocurrency market.
For now, the main impact of the entire cryptocurrency market is the policy of countries, unless Wall Street financial institutions learn about the policies of countries in advance, or they can't control the market.

he does not provide any concrete evidence is just making assumptions, is very dangerous since he is making these assumptions without at least some basis he is still encouraging people to buy altcoins and because before January 26 altcoins will have ATH... I in the past decided to do an experiment and lost money. I heard advice from someone who swore that altcoin X would have a very large increase so I bought the altcoin X and after some time came the such event of the altcoin X which would cause altcoin X to increase in price and contrary to all optimism on the part of many people, the altcoin X had enormous dump.

then look at this comment as one more comment

This is certainly possible and lot of big whales do influence the prices. The fact that Bitcoins is not regulated by any country makes the possibility stronger. Only way to fight against these manipulations is by staying invested for long term.

Wall street has nothing to do with the cryptocurrency.  One of the factor affect the price are the news of banning and freezing from South Korea, China, India. These three are big players in the market. Their more can shaken the price as well.

I dunno- there was a big bitcoin conference in switzerland last week same time as the one in florida- only billionaires attended- not a lot of press about it.....makes me wonder.....http://www.trustnodes.com/2018/01/19/billionaires-meet-blockchain-entrepreneurs-switzerland (http://www.trustnodes.com/2018/01/19/billionaires-meet-blockchain-entrepreneurs-switzerland)

OP, anything is possible. The ongoing massive sell off might also be caused by whales who bought under $5000. I read that Steve Wozniak has already dumped all his coins,  so there must be more like him who might be doing the same.

Plus a simple look at the market, it obviously shows. Is Kwukduck finally right?

manipulate has always been happening in all markets including bitcoin. and with bitcoin it is just more intense because it is easier to manipulate a small and unregulated market than it is to manipulate a big market like gold for example.
so this is not new!

aka a pump and dump scammer!

we will see a rise but not because of this quote.
the same thing happened last year and the 2 years before that. so we have already 3 years of same pattern being repeated. it has nothing to do with CME which only started this year (or Dec 2017).
and the rise is because of the increased adoption and the accumulation that is currently ongoing like it always does.

Of course Wall st and trading indexes control the price of BTC somewhat, but this is slowing as mass mainstream adoption takes place! Bitcoin can as is now starting to be regulated, the banks are closing in trying to get their (unfair) share of the Cryptocurrencies - only because they missed out with the archaic financial strongholds. Of course now there is an attempted total wealth reversal by these organisations. There has been some very unfair treatment and downright theft from the Digital economy communities, and for this matter - slowly introducing regulations is a great thing. You cannot control a decentralised monetary system, but you can certainly try to help to make sure it is fair for all and some levels of protection are adhered to!

I don't think Bitcoin price can be manipulated by wall street...Futures and Etfs don't affect directly the Bitcoin blockchain..i'd rather think that bitcoin price can be manipulated by a few people who actually hold lots of Bitcoins and this is already happening nowadays with these big pumps and dumps that we have witnessed in the past two months...

cryptocurrency has attracted the attention of investors, indirectly the veterans on the wall street too, if that's the case, just wait until the time happen..

Only thing is, bitcoin volume is very far from small. And while some players in wall street could manipulate the bitcoin markets, they would have a much easier time and a better ROI manipulating an alt coin.

When people can't explain the Bitcoin price movement than they always make some conspiracy theories like this one that Wall Street is manipulating the price.
This is not true and has nothing to do with reality, Wall Street doesn't have power over Bitcoin.

It sounds very logical actually. Market manipulation is the one and only thing that Wall Street guys do the best. There are two possible scenario imoi one of them is they want lower prices to get in, second scenario they want to decrease the bitcoins popularity.

Of course Wall Street does not have a power over Bitcoin but you should take the earlier statements with a grain of salt. Wall Street is making some noise right now involving its officials and this, they would definitely not do for nothing. I take it as a propaganda. For one, why would they proudly involve the company they are working for if they do not intend to influence the people at large? This is just one of the many schematic moves that we all have to watch out for because there are die hard players out there who will do everything in their power to buy Bitcoin at a much discounted price. So let us be careful, and not sell as much as possible. We never know the ulterior motives of others so it is best to be wary.

Usually when I am reading a news like that which suggest me that the prices will shoot up, I start to suspect that this is a bulltrap and that the prices are instead going to collapse. Deceiving Rumors ...

with what I disagree with you, we all know that with the appearance of futures for bitcoin, it starts to include very large amounts of money, and where big money there is fraud and manipulation. Look at how the news is coming out, negative one by one, and all this in the lead-up to the expiration of futures, and then denials begin to appear. The same thing happens, for example, with futures on commodity exchanges. I think we will continue to be seriously manipulated in this market and the more money there will be in the crypt that there will be more of them.

Taking into account the news coming from Wall Street it is true, but only partly. The belief of people in BTC also affects its price.

I would not be concerned about the Wall Street investors, who will do as they please, but rather about the victims of that "trader with large followers on Telegram" trying to lure his followers into some financial decisions that suit him with a slogan "buy before Jan 26th and then great pump comes!". My first thought would be to check on how he monetizes on his followers and their decisions

EDIT: and it is not only me:

The possibility of wall street investment in bitcoin is real and sure they can manipulate the price very much and the rally we had in bitcoin last year is simply because of these big investors especially from wall street and we have to be careful with investing in it as you never know when they are going to dump the coins. With the prediction that you provided,there is no upward movement today,instead the markets are bleeding today.

first thing is all the major news channels are owned by wall street and they create FUD and panic news and buy at cheap

Can Wall Street investors actually manipulate the entire digital money market with Bitcoin futures? The answer seems "yes" given the market's decline last week. Although Bitcoin did not rebound immediately in the short term, most of the coins began to rebound after the futures contract expired.

Of course, there is the effect of manipulation on the part of Wall Street, and not only on their part, look at how much negativity and statements in recent times. But nevertheless, the market shows that someone is doing this intentionally to buy a cryptocurrency at a low price.