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Today I was banned for comments I made on articles in a UK daily newspaper's website.

I said nothing offensive.  I merely made a comment on the advantages of Bitcoin and people should educate themselves on the advantages of Bitcoin by reading/viewing Google and Youtube, nothing else.

I read today in the same newspaper's website that a man was going to lose his home in the UK because he had a 6,000GBP credit card debt.  Apparently, the bank can repossess your home for a 1,000GBP debt.  The unsecured debt should have no relationship to your secured debt on your home.  The rules have been changed, the banks are getting greedier and greedier.

Also, in the same newspaper was that interest on savings accounts has again been reduced, just more theft again by the banks.

Will people not realise that they will be out on the streets with no home and no food very soon.  They are quite happy to let the banks and government ruin them.

From my experience today there is no freedom of speech.

How about your "comment" in full-text, letter by letter?

Sorry, I can't remember exactly what I wrote as the posts have been deleted, it was something like this:

"Have a look at Bitcoin, read/view Google and Youtube and learn what advantages there are by using Bitcoin"

The comments I made were in the "Money" section of the newspaper.

I did not want to go into some lengthy post as I feel people should educate themselves and make their own decisions.

They do not enjoy the freedom of speech in the uk. Nobody on the Internet has the freedom of speech on a commercial website.

Often you'll see the news websites disable stuff they think will be 'controversial' so if they put up an article they know will get an angry response they'll disable the comments page, then we have people actually getting arrested for comments people make on facebook/twitter ( which is why I keep fairly anonymous ) and David Cameron's trying to go and forcefully filter out porn, most likely to appeal to the Christian/lazy parent voting base. At this rate, I'm pretty much ready to leave the country and renounce my citizenship to the UK, the only thing that's stopping me right now is money, they really do keep making it easier to make my decision :P.

Most of the normal people in the country are actually not bad at all as long as you avoid the chavs, but the rulers in this country are batshit insane, yes I said rulers, because they're as bad as the Americans are when it comes to fixing elections and making it difficult to vote for minor parties/people. The only good thing I can say about the UK is at least they don't charge a massive amount to declare you're not a citizen anymore! >_< :D and yes, I've actually done research into this, apparently it's about $50,000 or so to renounce citizenship in the U.S if I remember correctly and it was something like £128 for the UK.

More likely it was an irrlevent post - what has Bitcoin got to do with a person who is in Credit Card debt?

Most of the normal people in the US, are actually not bad at all as long as you avoid the tea baggers, but the rulers in this country are batshit insane, yes I said rulers, because they're as bad as the British government when it comes to fixing elections and making it difficult to vote for minor parties/people.    ;)

its the same shit everywhere


Bitcoin - not the same old shit.

It's also possible they had never heard of Bitcoin and viewed as "Spammy" by the comment moderators.

Bitcoin has everything to do with the banking system, that is why people are in debt, because of the banks.

If they had not heard of Bitcoin before they have now, lol.  Can not be that bad, maybe they will look and learn.

People are not in debt because of the banks, they are in debt because they spent more money than they had.

Exactly, how would Bitcoin have helped the person in debt on credit cards?

well its their site...

People are in debt because the banks are not issuing any money otherwise.
No debt = no money at all.
There is no way we can get out of this pattern without bitcoin.

Watch the vids in my signature

I am not supporting the guy for being in debt, it is his problem.

The point I was trying to make is that the bank is taking his home for such a small amount of unsecured debt.

He needs legal advice.

If it's legal to seize his home over this debt, it is not in fact unsecured.

That really doesn't make any sense at all.
Somehow I manage to get paid every month without incurring any more debt.

It is.
Not at individual level but at a collective level.
The Modern Money Mechanics (http://www.rayservers.com/images/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf) written by the Federal Reserve itself describe this process pretty well.

The money you use is always representative of someone else's debt

So it really has nothing to do with why Joe Blogs in this thread is has 6k in credit card debt.

Probably not

where does the money come from to pay you?

In the end knight22 is right, all money is someone elses promise to pay. and there is never enough money in the economy to cover all these promises to pay, because everyone has to agree to pay back + interest, and the only way to create more money is to borrow it.

why governments don't just print their own money at 0% interest is beyond me....

it might be cheaper than printing their own.

I can think of two reasons:

• Governments have an annoying habit of printing way too much money given half a chance, e.g. Allende's Chile, Weimar Germany.
• The Rothschild banksters who rule most of the globe to some degree or other don't take kindly to debt-free money issuance.

I got banned for asking if anyone uses bitcoin at a website. The mod goggled it and said I was banned for "being part of a pyramid scam for bitcoin Inc." lol

Early disciples have a tendency to get crucified.   ;D

I believe that the bank purchases the house itself by auction, to increase its own equity. Human beings doesn't matter any more. Forgotten about how Americans got duped in America by Deutsche Bank and others?

If your post was only one line and you didn't point out how it's relevant to the article maybe it has been classified as spam (reported by others, by moderators, automated systems, etc).

I don't think they banned you for mentioning Bitcoin, but for writing a comment most people wouldn't understand and/or classify as spam.

The irony being that his debt is a debt of debt, as our thread resident monetary theorists have described. Check links in their sigs.

Some pretty much do. Russia, Iran, China, North Korea... starting to notice a pattern?

What's the point of them writing a story if they don't want meaningful engagement with readers?

Did they give you any specifics about why they removed your comments?  I bet one of their main advertisers is a big bank...  ::)

That's one of the motivations behind the hypothes.is annotation layer of the web.  It's a great idea, but getting mass adoption may be tough.  http://hypothes.is/

Money is increasingly debt in stead of base money, which is less stable.

Due to inflation, it is profitable to have a negative amount of money + some durable good like a house, which is more risky.

With these point in mind, it is natural that some people end up unlucky. So yes, the banks, at least it is the government+bank crony capitalism.

Debt exists because people find it useful.
It would exist regardless of the underlying currency.
There is a Bitcoin lending forum on this very site, where people accept collateral for providing Bitcoin loans, and could keep the collateral if the person doesn't pay the loan back. Just like a bank.
The people taking out the loans are in Bitcoin debt.
Which government are you going to blame for that?

Fiat is created exclusively out of debt
Bitcoin is NOT created out of debt

We need debt to have fiat
We do not need debt to have bitcoin

Fundamental difference

You clearly not watched the documents I have mentioned

That would be a great slogan for Bitcoin 8)

The governments (all of them) inflates the money supply with new debt, not by printing more base money. Plus the movement of debt is quicker than movement of money, so pople prefer it. So the properties of the money system has something to to with it. The properties of the money system also enables the governments to rack up debt. It is possible to navigate as a consumer/labourer through this system without indebting yourself, but it is not the most profitable. I agree it is each persons responsibility, but the present system (including the busts) necessarily leaves many with bad luck.

Was it a red top paper or something with a little bit more credibility?