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Title: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: stevemichael on January 28, 2018, 07:51:33 AM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Happydd on January 28, 2018, 08:19:18 AM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?
Right! Bitcoins need some additional regulations to protect the safety of bitcoin participants. At the same time, according to research and international experience in some countries such as the United States, Europe or Japan ... the law and practice related to virtual property, virtual currency.
In addition, in August 2015, the State Bank of Vietnam has completed the review, study and proposal of amendments, supplements and promulgation of legal documents on electronic money for submission to the Prime Minister.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: seanskie18 on January 28, 2018, 09:41:33 AM
For me, bitcoin needs regulations and rules. It will help us especially to those participants how important bitcoin to them. When someone will follow it, it will show that they are like to learn more and want to get knowledge about bitcoin.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: adifariz on January 28, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
yes, I think Bitcoin needs some additional rules to protect the safety of bitcoin participants. At the same time, according to research and international experience in some countries such as the United States, Europe or Japan laws and practices related to virtual property, virtual currency.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: talkbitcoin on January 28, 2018, 10:10:59 AM
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.

there are a lot of reasons that people are not accepting bitcoin as payment and being decentralized is not one of them.
here are some of those reasons:
1. lack of customers willing to spend bitcoin. there may be a lot of bitcoin investors but only a small percentage of them are spending it.
2. high fees. which may be temporary now but that throws people off.
3. high volatility. unless you are converting back to fiat immediately or believe in the future of bitcoin, it is tough to accept a volatile currency.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: douhancan58 on January 28, 2018, 10:16:44 AM
Bitcoins need some action!

To monitor bitcoin transactions, such as "requirements for business continuity planning" and "BBS to prevent fraud and disclosure of bitcoin's risks and costs". Bitcoin businesses are subject to anti-money laundering rules like Banks.

This may slowly be accepted by governments around the world!


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: AleksandrKosov on January 28, 2018, 11:23:25 AM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?
Bitcoin is not needed by anyone in the form of a payment system, because it does not possess the required characteristics of the payment system. There are other companies that can match. Here the question is not in what that specific crypto currency, but in the market as a whole. For example, in Japan legalized the crypto currency, now you can accept payments and organize payment systems on the basis of different crypto-currencies, and not just one. For the adoption of such laws, of course, approval of the regulator in each country is necessary. I think those countries that block and reject crypto-currencies will lag behind their IT development from those who will legitimize them.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: chenging14 on January 28, 2018, 11:39:26 AM
I think yes and due to some research, the U.S. has made localized attempts to regulate specific aspects of bitcoin. New York State requires a “BitLicense” for bitcoin related businesses, with specific rules for employee vetting and identification. Just last month, the IRS won a landmark ruling to gain access to information about 14,000 historic Coinbase accounts, in an attempt to gather back taxes from owners.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Maksik198188 on January 28, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
of course, bitcoin needs to be regulated, otherwise there will be chaos


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: wargon on January 28, 2018, 11:47:18 AM
depends what you mean by regulation. For me it means for example accepting that it is money and not property or other wierd interpretation that various nations come up to. And free it and other crypto from taxes. Yes, I know you can be rich thanx to it but also you can lose so I don't see the point of taxing it because it slows adoption.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: semobo on January 28, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?
I don't understand what OP is trying to say,what do you mean by bitcoins need regulations?or it supposed to be bitcoin usages needs to be regulated?
Decentralization is the main reason that bitcoin was invented so we can't do anything with that.
No,it is already in the better form, bitcoin doesn't need to be regulated.Only the countries have to adapt to the new technology.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: hopingman05 on January 28, 2018, 11:51:49 AM
It depends on the situation I guess, some of the countries already accepted bitcoin without being regulated. Of course, countries will need some requirements to accept the cryptocurrency but nothing is impossible Crypto will always find a way. Change is inevitable.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: bitfocus on January 28, 2018, 11:52:03 AM
if you mean the government regulation, well, bitcoin must stay away from such regulations for the greater good of humanity and mankind.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: the majesty on January 28, 2018, 11:57:19 AM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?



I will say yes that bitcoin needs some regulations because the meaning of regulation in short is to put law on something in order to cub such thing from error. For error to not to occur definitely yes, it is necessary to add regulations to bitcoin


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on January 28, 2018, 12:28:03 PM
With the news of exchanges being hacked (Mt.gox, Coincheck which occurred today etc.) all over the place, everyone is stepping further bitcoin. Regulations are always welcome as It could attract people and make them feel safe.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Md Saad on January 28, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
I don't think so, Bitcoin is becoming a popular currency for a decentralized currency system so that people are getting involved in this platform, but if you want to regulate in this system then you will face difficulties for this purpose. I believe that Bitcoin doesn't necessary for regulating anymore.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: CryptoBry on January 28, 2018, 12:35:51 PM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralized currency. Due to its decentralization some countries do not accept as the payment system. Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?

We could never forced any country to accept Bitcoin and we have no power to compel any country and its citizen to change their stand on the matter. The sovereign power of any country will always be in the government not unless there will be a big revolution that will take that power away from them, we have no choice but to be at the mercy of those people in the government. Those people who can't accept this reality will continue to dream on and I admire them for that.

Those countries who accepted and recognized Bitcoin established their own regulatory framework that will cover the selling and buying of cryptocurrencies including the issue of taxation which can be important for any government. We have no choice but to accept the fact that regulations can mean a lot if it is in exchange for recognition of cryptocurrency. Rather than ban I always prefer regulations.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Clifmeister on January 28, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
I honestly would not want the world to be in chaos, so I would rather have Bitcoin regulated so that govts can get proper taxes and further develop their countries.. In my own opinion, people who avoid or want to avoid paying taxes is just selfish and negative.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: xcombot on January 28, 2018, 12:40:06 PM
No. Crypto currency itself is able to regulate itself on the basis of existing institutions.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: boyshx on January 28, 2018, 12:42:23 PM
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Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.

I read your question and this is the answer why it needs to be regulated, because it is being used widely and it is decentralised.

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Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.

Another strong reason why governments are not accepting the bitcoin, its decentralised and people are using at their will ,disturbing the whole national economy and not paying the taxes for that portion at all. Thats a chaos and thats why it need to come under regulations.

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Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?

Yes, same thing again.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: BitcoinHodler on January 28, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
bitcoin doesn't need regulations but it can be a good thing for it.

as someone else mentioned, if for example we see regulated bitcoin exchanges out there that are working a legit business, then more people will feel safer investing in bitcoin.
and guess what as the exchanges grow in popularity and get more traders, we will see less volatility in bitcoin price too. and that means more adoption of bitcoin as a currency which it always meant to be.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: franky1 on January 28, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
regulations do not do a single thing to protect customers   <- emphasis
regulations are just after-the-fact responders. not crime preventers. infact regulations create criminals by making innocent business people b guilty of something that in a rational world is not a crime, but do so months after the 'incident' occurred to not allow the innocent person to have prevented it.


and it is the businesses themselves that have to make up their own policy/compliance rule book to show they are atleast trying to prevent a crime. but if the business itself is the criminal.. its too late and useless..

bitcoin does not need regulation, because regulation wont help

what needs to be done is have less regulations and more consumer protections
EG

businesses selling(legit) goods and services have to show their real working address and contact details, so that if a customer does not get the goods as described its easier for the customer to slap the business with a wet fish(court order) if the business refuses a refund/send out goods properly

this goes for exchanges too.. none of this P.O box, virtual mailbox crap so they can run off with a "we been hacked" excuse while living on a sunny beach. they have to have a real world address to be able to be audited


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: jseverson on January 28, 2018, 12:44:57 PM
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?

Yes. It may seem backwards because one of Bitcoin's biggest selling points is its decentralization and some people see it as an anti-government tool, but really, in the times we live in, no regulations means a free rein for scammers, and we've already seen criminals take advantage of it.

While most of the users now don't really need any protection, majority of the mainstream does. Look at Japan and how open their government is to Bitcoin. Their citizens feel that it's safe because they're able to enjoy their liberty with protection. No country is really emulating them thus far, but that's just one example of regulations actually empowering the Bitcoin and crypto market in general.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: aoihs00 on January 28, 2018, 12:48:51 PM
bitcoin doesn't need regulations but it can be a good thing for it.

as someone else mentioned, if for example we see regulated bitcoin exchanges out there that are working a legit business, then more people will feel safer investing in bitcoin.
and guess what as the exchanges grow in popularity and get more traders, we will see less volatility in bitcoin price too. and that means more adoption of bitcoin as a currency which it always meant to be.

Would you elaborate more so that we can understand that in broad sense because I believe that it needs to be regulated otherwise wolfs gonna fight for it and later on what we will have is shit flesh to eat.

Everything that becomes global issue is not easy to control after some point and I am sure that bitcoin or the whole crypto currency has become global issue. Thats because of fraud cases, money stealing, tax stealing, unimaginable trades in the dark market, you name it, everything is cause of decentralised nature. You can't really keep any eye on it aren't you unless and until it is well regulated and can become asset for life.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: DooMAD on January 28, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
There's a crucial distinction to draw between the Bitcoin network itself requiring regulation, versus regulation for third party services acting as custodians for people's funds (whether that be bitcoins, altcoins, fiat or a mix of all three).  Until we're clear on that distinction, the thread is going to be a mess.

The Bitcoin network and protocol, which I'd argue doesn't need regulation, would be impossible to regulate anyway because not all countries will agree on how best to do it.  It's also important to note that any attempt to introduce a controlling entity that could restrict, block, reverse or otherwise tamper with transactions, which is something the pro-regulation side often argue for, would damage Bitcoin's fungibility and would weaken the currency as a whole.  There's no evidence to suggest it would actually reduce the number of scams or hacks either.  It's assumed regulation would also involve things like KYC/AML, which are generally touted as "good for privacy" in the ass-backwards bankster-driven would in which we reside.  When in reality, they are (KYC in particular) directly responsible for the vast majority of identity theft that occurs, because personal and financial details are rarely stored in a secure fashion.  If you don't store those details to begin with (and I nope no one will argue that Bitcoin ever should), no one can have their financially sensitive details stolen.

Conversely, custodian services like webwallets and exchanges that are designed to store money absolutely should be regulated as per the laws in the region in which they are based.  Sadly that will usually involve giving in to the KYC/AML insanity, but these services need to be held to account when they inevitably drop the ball and lose everyone's money.  It stands to reason that any company doing business needs to have safeguards in place to ensure they aren't doing anything risky or immoral.  Until someone comes up with a better method of ensuring those safeguards are in place, regulation is the best option.  It's not infallible, by any means, but it's the best we currently have.

Perhaps as smart contracts develop over time, we can rely less on regulation, but it's still far too early for that.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Bessta on January 28, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
Regulating bitcoin and altcoins would solve the issue that crypto currencies are illegal. More people would believe in  the digital currencies and will invest. Regulation is better than ban especially if consumers will be given the highest protection so that they will not get scared in doing business using digital currencies.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: AliMan on January 28, 2018, 01:19:23 PM
Regulating bitcoin and altcoins would solve the issue that crypto currencies are illegal. More people would believe in  the digital currencies and will invest. Regulation is better than ban especially if consumers will be given the highest protection so that they will not get scared in doing business using digital currencies.

Bitcoin must need a regulation. Because it is decentralized currency, it is very hard to control every transactions made and many are taking advantage of it to scam people. But, if regulation will stop the freedom of btc investors to transact privately, much better if we stick to the traditional system of bitcoin. But if the main reason is for regulation and not intervention. We can support it.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: InahC on January 28, 2018, 01:22:36 PM
Ofcourse,this is for the safety and protection of Bitcoin participants and this will also help to prevent the system to be in chaos.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: amishmanish on January 28, 2018, 02:35:55 PM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?
Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer currency exchange system. In its simplest form, it is supposed to give two people the freedom to exchange value without depending on a government to "regulate" it. Ideally, it shouldn't matter whether countries "accept" is as a form of payment or not. the problem is that the ground reality is very different from ideal.

Normal people are putting their savings and money into bitcoin. This is taking away a lot of "government's money" into a parallel economy that governments seem to have no control over. This is too much power in the hand of the masses for governments to be comfortable with it. Their approach then is to outright ban trading etc.

The dilemma is that the system will not have wide acceptance without some sort of legitimacy. A lot of new people care about legitimacy/ regulation because they want to realise their gains in fiat which is natural and understandable. Enabling easy fiat to crypto change will be necessary for wider acceptance but that also opens the possibilities of bitcoin being manipulated. The market manipulations and volatility also confirm that some form of regulations will be necessary.

Another dilemma is that while some people want governments to intervene so that new investors don't get burned, governments want to get involved so that they can contain bitcoin and its far-reaching benefits.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: asawaq23 on January 28, 2018, 02:57:26 PM
Definitely bitcoins needs some regulations which may help more investors to become more secured. Even though it is decentralized and have some rules to be followed, it is not enough for the growing of this currency. Government  must set some regulation which is favorable to the small and big investors.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: LastBlackUnicorn on January 28, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
We live in an organized society, therefore, we do need some rules to avoid complete chaos. But what we don't need is governments and outdated economists stick their nose and destroy a great concept.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Pasadoble on January 28, 2018, 03:29:05 PM
If it will be widespread currency, and widely acceptable, regulations will be unavoidable.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: levvv on January 28, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
It is depends on what kind of regulations first.
If a regulations has made that will erase the key values of bitcoin itself (like decentralized, anonymity),
Then it should be no regulations for bitcoin.
I think its better leave as it is, no strict regulations.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: sunno330 on January 28, 2018, 04:40:36 PM
Now a days bitcoin are widely accepted and it is decentralised currency.
Due to its decentralisation some countries do not accept as the payment system.
Is bitcoin needs some regulation to use widely and accepted by all countries ?
Rules are needed to ensure the use of bitcoin safely without any hesitation. Many people still think that using Bitcoin is a risky, even the government of the country and so think. This currency is so cool every stage in life so need more regulation .


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Dudeperfect on January 28, 2018, 04:41:59 PM
Well, if you are of the opinion that Bitcoin needs any kind of regulation then you are killing the actual core principle of Bitcoin that emphasize on the decentralization of power and control. I agree that we don't have a user-friendly environment in terms of legality in most of the countries but handing over the control of regulation to the government or any single authority doesn't make any sense in my honest opinion. I don't have any issues with the government trying to monitor financial flow within the country including cryptocurrencies but I don't want anyone to control it on my behalf.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: DunnDy on January 28, 2018, 05:00:08 PM
 It isn't so explicit, Bitcoin needs some regulations, we can't deny. Many minor fixes and improvements would positively affect Bitcoin and would change it for even better than it's now. Nevertheless, decentralisation is a favorable phenomenon and we shouldn't want to get rid of it. It is what makes bitcoin so reliable and enables us to conduct transactions on our own.


Title: Re: What you think, Bitcoin needs some regulation ?
Post by: Kprawn on January 28, 2018, 05:08:08 PM
There is a difference between regulation and over-regulation. We saw what happened with the BitLicense in New York for

instance. They implemented very complex and expensive regulations there and businesses decided to move away to more

Bitcoin friendly cities. If this happens in a specific country, then people will close their Bitcoin businesses and open up shop in

another Bitcoin friendly country and their country of origin will lose out on the tax income.  :D