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Good afternoon everybody,
As the topic, is it allowed to send merit to our friend or not?

Before you share your thought, let me go first.
In my opinion, i think this is not good to support the merit system because people can send merit each other to their friend without checking wheater they make quality post or not.
As the goal of this merit, its made to kill spammers but it such thing continue, merit will be killed back by spammers.

I noticed this when my friend get private message, the message contains people ask him to send merit each other.

I know its hard to get merit but we can get it by making quality post.

i know some members will not agree with this but i hope you can share your thought here.

Note : sorry for my bad english. I am not native english

Hi everyone,

In my understanding about merit it is an excellent achievement, honor, value or quality that is deserving of approval. It means that it's like a medal or award that is required to be given to the deserving person. This is an achievement that when you get this you can be proud to yourself and its added to your credential.

For me it's good to give merit to my friends but when he/she deserve it, because I'm high respecting the value of merit and it's better to have this when we know to our self that we are deserve for this. We can feel much happier and deserving when we know that we do our best and we working hard to receive this honor.

Everyone want's to have merit and I know we can get this in a good way. Just be patient and working hard.

You definitely allowed to do that. No one will judge you if you send merits to your friends. However, please don't do that simply because they are your friends; do that only for their good posts. Furthermore, you should send  merits to others who write constructive posts for the forum, which can help you too.

There is no clearly rule about this. It's also that nobody can control what people do with their merit. It mean that you can buy or sell merit, but deal outside of BCT. I see many posts with nothing special but merited more than 50 times, by 1 person.

Yes i agree also when friend deserve to get merit becuase of good post. But dont give it with word " friend " as reason.

True although there's no restriction (for now) in sending merits, please do not abuse it. The sole purpose is to reward members with merit-worthy post for them to continue on making quality posts, not because they're friends.


Merits are posted publicly, any abusers can be seen through the help of the community. Though actions/punishments are still not determined, people are constantly looking for abusers wanting to make this forum free from those kind of people.

Its good post so they will not give merit to friend so easy but all depending on their quality post.
Give merit to friend if they make good post.

But i think there are so many big player with this merit system because people will be stingy and they prefer to keep their merit without giving it to member. It will make this merit system too hard and maybe fail.

Because this merit system is launched, merit will not have some impact to know!
But merit is meant to reward good posts!

If your friend post a spam and you give them merit, that will be a problem.

Because you can not prove if you are just giving merit to your friend or you are selling merit.

It is quite possible that you will be reported to admin.

Although we make quality post but we can not make sure that we will get the merit because many people will not give their merit to us and they just want to keep it without giving to anyone.
If they give to anyone, they will allow that member to go to higher level and they stay in current level.
This opion also make this rank up would be difficult.

Agree with you, i dont see any high circulation of merit. Most people just like to keep the merit in their account.
If they give merit to other, they need to spare 1 or 2 minutes for sending merit, for those who dont want to do something that not benefit to them, i think they prefer to keep it.

I think the system must give them limit time to spend the Smerit then if they dont give Smerit till the limit time so they system will give consequence. For example delete their merit as many as smerit they have so maybe their rank will lower level. It can prevent them to keep the smerit without doing anything. No merit circulation so no more rank up.

The system was introduced a few days ago, what do you expect?  ::)

No. It takes <5 seconds to send merit, even less if you are fast.

The consequence is that your Smerit will decay.

Horrible suggestion.

Not all people think the same like you. Some people is just lazy to take their time to give merit to other.
However, lets see what happen next with this system. I hope all member in this forum think positive and allow their smerit fly to other member and not arogant to keep their smerit in their account.

Yes we need that nature. The merit system is made to improve the quality of this forum, so friendship is not an excuse for us to provide free merit points without an active role like post quality. That is the main reason until now, there are still some people who use smerit without a reality and high responsibility to dedicate to this forum.

Whether it is coming from a friend or not, as long as the post is quality, I don't mind awarding merit to the post.

So to answer your question, it would be a qualifying yes and no answer - yes if it is a quality post; and definitely no if the awarding of merit is just to game the system.

Doesn't matter.

As expected. You aren't really saying anything new.

There's nothing arrogant about keping your Smerit.

There are several factors that leans towards positive side of merit system such as :

(1) . Being a Full Member, I was allowed to send only four sMerits , so how many "friends" can a person have and that too of ranks "Member" and above ?
(2) . Theymos reserves the right to dismiss sMerits whenever he wants for the sake of post quality and misuse of sMerits so don't think this "friend" stuff is
       going to work .
(3) . On sending someone an sMerit, you actually leave your footprint as "Merited by" which tells how good you are at judging other people's posts . So
       better you be careful next time when sending one !

Thats what i mean. We need to see wheater the post is high quality or not. Give smerit to quality post only. No matter friend or not. This can support this merit system.

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Good point, always becareful to give smerit to any post because not all post is qualified for smerit.

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So what will happen if all member prefer to keep their smerit?

There is no regulation saying that you can't give merit to your friend. However the merit system is made to give credit to users who are contributing to the community, sharing their knowledge and giving useful answers to queries in the forum. With that everyone should give proper credit to user who have been working hard for this forum. Let us all keep working hard and make constructive and quality post.

Nothing.

"There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future."

Misclicked and sent merit to the wrong post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2840982.msg29160755#msg29160755). fak

There is no punishment for you if you send sMerits to your friends. I would like to emphasize that what you send is sMerits (sendable Merits), not Merits. However, you should send them to your friends' qualited-posts, because it is the main reason why merit system been launched, if not please send those sMerits to others in the forum who are deserved.

The merit system was created in order to stop spamming, shitty-posts; and to motivate users to contribute more constructive, higher-qualitied posts over time.

No point in keeping Smerit as their only purpose is to be sent to other users, Theymos said that someday he wil put an expiry date on Smerit to get users to send their smerits, but that was still a plan.

lol, maybe this is where Demerit feature will come in handy, you can take back merits when it's still under 2 Hours time
Although I can see demerit feautre to be abused by troll member

I'm pretty sure the merit system are not moderated, same as trust system
Admin won't ban you for leaving questionable merits or selling them, but the community will probably backlash against those who do

I like your idea. That's the right mechanism of merit system in the forum. If one user have sMerits, the one should send them to deserved accounts, by which I mean accounts that write constructive, high-qualitied, useful, meaningful posts. Those sort of threads can help others to get out of their mess, or at least give them some valuable clues to solve their problems.

Yes. I agree with both of you. But, unfortunately, there's no standard for 'qualified' smeritable posts.

Yes, contribution to forums is a top priority when we give merit. If we have a friend who can be said we have a family, but he can not provide quality posts of course it is not appropriate to get merit in my opinion. If that happens then everyone will easily get a merit point, they can talk in private messages and the results will not be satisfactory for the forum. Suppose this can last and everyone who contributes can get merit then this will be a great thing, we will be in a forum that really useful for the development of digital currency. There is a new level and become a differentiator with other forums. So giving a merit to a friend regardless of what he is doing is a mistake.

But some good posts aren't even notice and not everyone are generous to give merit to others. I bet we have thousands people in the forum and a lot of posts everyday so there's a big chance that our post will not get even notice or read.

I just hope this merit system will be fair and square to everybody and those spammers will soon be gone here.

Yes, I think that's a good idea. A quality post will be worth the praise. I'm also trying to improve my english and improve the quality of the article.
But there are some things that need to be improved to be more fair. I think the admins should set up the notification button. All members need to be notified of who has replied to the members' posts. That will make the posts will not go away and will be useful for everyone.
That is my own opinion. I just want to improve our forum and grow it better together.

That's my concern as well. A lot of good quality post go without being merited and I'm seeing a lot of average to spam post getting merited. So if you don't have multiple accounts, telegram merit group or friends and family on here you will likely only pick up 1 or 2 merits here and there.

I really haven't seen a decrease in spam post/low quality post either. I feel like their is actually more as people look to build multiple accounts up to eventually help build the merit on their main account.

Hopefully over time it will work itself out.

I agree with you and I am already seeing some posts that are given merit even up to 50 merit points for a simple thread like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828892.msg29141094#msg29141094 although the merit giver has all the right how he will spend his sMerits, that is way too big of merit points to award for that certain type of post in my opinion.

Hello everyone in my opinion about sending merit to a friend, i think it's okay as long as your friend have a good quality post. If your friend doesn't have a good quality post please don't give it to them. Give them a challange in one week maybe if they have a good post you will give them merit.. because with giving them a challenge you can see how much their spirit to do your challenge..pardon me my bad english..

Yes nothing. No member will be promoted to new higher rank.
It will be better to give smerit to contructive post and not just keep it.

I don't see anything wrong with that as long as the post of your friend is useful and constructive you can send him/her merits. Every users that can make quality post or share their knowledge about the topic deserves to be merited whether he/she is your friend or not.

finally i understand how merit system works
low rank people is hard to get better ranks now
but is a good way to filter low level posts

so i need to have merit to send merit
i understand really valuable members is easy to gain it
and is really hard for me to get it from them
but thats the rules

define  what the word *friend* mean to you    so we can answer you correctly ( hopefully )  .

if you mean by friend an alt account  i bet you already got your answer  by being a red painted member .

are you trying to create a new alt ( friend ) account with neutral trust then you send him merit to rank him to member ?  so you can join bounties again   ;)

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i find it funny how your friends ( alts ) loved your suggestion and merited you  hhhh

Well it is not your job to check them but if you wat to report them to the moderators then be my guest.
They have already put this accounts into ignore list and merit abusers that will definitely decrease their benefits here in the forum.



I think this is nonsense. Even if they receive merits, and will do trade with their friends, their sMerits will be limited.
if they are done trading noone will give them other merits.

The purpose of merit is to reward people who write quality things, look at the trust of OP, the purpose of Op was probably to abuse the system!

I think people can merit friends only if they don't abuse the quantity and if they really post quality posts.

Agree with you!
Creating the topic, then earnt 15 merits (till now) for only the OP, which has low-quality, honestly.
I have actually not read all those threads in the topic, reading the OP and your thread, coinlocket$. Then, I don't find reasons to read more threads inside because the topic is one of shitty ones created to beg for merits.
There are dozens of topics on the same questions, which published before this one. How did this one receive 15 merits? Really ridiculous, right?
For the OP's creator, should read if don't know how to use the forum search function:
 [Tips] Guide for forum search  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3127909.0)
However, I believe that guy known this function, just don't want to use it due to spamming and merit-begging objectives.

Yeah I am also aware of this scenario, merits circulation within the circle of friends. I also added that friends is a tool to obtain merits easily. There's so many deserving people but not appreciated because of this thing.

Sad but true. Whoever has the merit of this has the power. But will such a person use it properly? Unfortunately, this already depends exclusively on man. Unfortunately, money has always divided people into good and bad. One mixes in the head while the other mixes at the right distance. Let us not be deceived by 'mammon'. 

You have to choose which way you want to go...

can anyone do it or do it without any harm if a friend gives a merit if you have helped why not? it is better to share a merit if the people is worthy, if he/she is helping you or others.

I think that is a member is sending merits to his friend even if he has made a good post, he can be in danger. This will not happen to old trusted new members but for new members, this might be ignored.

It is best to give merits to other people making quality posts. If your friends are making good posts, they will anyway get merits from other members.

I think it is allowes to give merit to a friend as long as you give your merit to the good quality, constructive post of your friend. The point is don't just give merit randomly in their post the choose which one of his post deserved a merit. I think it depends on you if you like a certain post as long as it is good quality, conatructive, creative one. That won't be an example of merit abuse because you give your merit in the right way.

Without we realize, this has happened since the system merit raised in this forum because some users have more than one account. At least, with this merit, we can distinguish which posts are really qualified.

Yes but let's be honest! How many of us have one friend on an online forum? almost no one. How many of us have 3 or more friends? Very often the word friend stands for "alt account".

It is still allowed to send merit to your friend if that friend of yours made a post that is meritable.
But there are stillsome members who are abusing the merit system, some of them trade their merits or sell it to gain more money. And this action is prohibited in this forum.
And yes, merit was made to kill spammers, shit posters, and to motivate all the members to make more constructive posts.

Yup, maybe the senders of merit are all of his friends. Maybe I'm wrong but probably right ;D.
Honestly, I only have few (about 2 to 3) but seems not a lot of help because they are not giving merit points for my good quality posts anymore. It only happened once because we are all afraid to be accused for merit abusing even though it's a fact that we all had good quality of posts and there's nothing friendship involved.

Agree with you, coinlocket$.
It is extremely hard to have friends in the forum.
of course, users can help each other when they have free time (and, of course, generosity). However, I don't see it is necessary to have friends in the forum (just my stance, I might be wrong at this point).
Therefore, 3 accounts gave more than 20 merits for such non-sense thread are probably alt-accounts.

I haven't seen rules regarding sending merits to a friend. But at some point, that would be kind of unfair if someone will get merit just because they know each other and not becuase of the quality of their posts. I mean, when they get merits subjectively and not objectively.

Its not bad to give your friend a merit but just make sure that they surely deserve it. Because if we'll just give them for no concrete reason, especially regarding their post quality, they will not try harder to contribute better.

Teach them how to fish because for sure they will improve. Let's not tolerate the idea of giving someone merit just because we know them. Let's give merit not out of sympathy but because of the fact that they really earned it.

And give others a chance to also rank up or increase in merit because of the efforts they really put into their posts. Let's play fair, people.

Yeah, it is one of merit circulation, but the fact is over time those merit abusers will run out of their sMerits.

Please stop complaining like this. Users who have not received merits mainly due to their low-quality threads, not due to those merit abusers.
Most importantly, Merits will only find deserved users, threads, of course, merit abusers are exceptions.

Agree! This is the way true members of the forum (constructive ones) will behave with their sMerits as one of motivating ways to stimulate others to be more constructive via their threads.

From my point of view it is impossible to monitor the turnover of the Merits, due to thousands of people have ones and 99% don't care of abusing merits excepting moderators, high level participators or may be newcomers who try to deserve some respect or merits.
Absolutly agree.

Why is this even a conversation? Who cares what people do with their merits, as long as they're not selling it or farming it, then they should be free to do with their merit as they wish. Nobody is being paid to search for high-quality posts, if they want to send their 50 merits to a friend, then so be it. In my opinion the only things that should be blocked are selling, trading and farming merit, obviously these lines are blurred when it is between friends so it's best to just let them get on with it.

I really wonder why this post got (15) merit's while there are lot's of good post that deserves more than this post.

Reason's why I think this post dont deserve merits:
-This is a question post
-Some of the sentences are confusing
-No lesson can be learned
-Not a helpful post

Can someone explain to me why? Especially to those merit sender.

He received so much Merit because then only the system was introduced and people did not quite understand how to dispose of it, so I see no reason to be indignant. Time has already passed. And you should not dispose of another's Merit

It is only allowed when that post deserves a merit point. No one should abuse the merit system. As a matter if fact, there are even some people who have high ranked accounts, who create alternative ones just to give merit points to themselves. It is not just about friends giving merits to each other. If your post is good, people; including your friends, can give you some merit points. That is how it goes.

I agree that everyone in the forum have their own rights to use their sMerits.
However, the point is most of cases with more than 20 merits are probably from merit abusers. Those one might be merit exchanges from friends, or between main and alt accounts; or merit business.
Most of those over-received merit threads are only one-line, one word, or something like that.
How do you explain that those threads are really deserved with such extremely high Merits. I don't see anyway to explain such cases.

As long as the posts is worth to be Merited then there wouldn't have any problem, on some LOCAL BOARDS this native are fond of sending Merits to each other, an example of this is the RUSSIAN's Section, some are abusive but there are still people that are giving them with an honest and fair decision of distributing Merits.


This is an ordinary situation, some people use this tactic to make into the next rank.

Not all the time, in most cases some quality posts are being left behind. You might have a reply to a certain thread that has enough to be given Merit but unluckily this is being rephrased by some other people to make things more clearer than yours and that's why even if you're the first one to answer such problems the MERITS that should be given to you is being snatch away.

I think ,there is nothing wrong with this ,if Ur frnd is making a good/quality post.You are free to send merit.

But,you are sending merit to low or meaningless post,that is wrong and It is against the rule of MERIT system.I have reported such type of account by creating a new thread.But I dont think,there is any progress.

From this quote you may see that for some people there is a point of merit quality
quote author=izanagi narukami link=topic=2349397.msg36592557#msg36592557 date=1525705531]
@bitcoinisbest @Yarsk @Taki @dark1234 @hulla @Bdstar
I can't accept you guys although you guys reach minimum merit requirement, I'm also check how do you get those merit.
[/quote]
As you may see I also wasn't accepted a d the manager even didn't want to reply my PM where I asked him to explain what is wrong with my merits. It is sad, especially after I checked the merit history of those people who have been accepted. In my understabding merit stays as very subjective thing which doesn't follow any concrete rules indeed.

It wasn't.

Everybody cares about the distribution of MERITS except shitposters and endless number of spammers.

Yes, There isn't someone whose being paid just for being a MERIT SOURCE. They're just a HELPING INDIVIDUAL that wants to make this forum manageable and formal.

You already stated it. TRADING should be blocked and that also comes to the friendly situation. Why would you trade your MERITS to someone you didn't know and don't have any assurance that they will do the same as you did.

This is one of reasons to create merit system and new rank requirements. So, if your friends' threads are deserved to earn merits due to its meaning, heplfulness, problem-solved ability; don't hesitate to send your sMerits to those threads. Because it will not violate any rules of the forum and won't abuse merit system.

On the other hand, the fact is most of 'friends' in the forum exchange their sMerits for so many rounds for non-sense threads.
Who are 'friends' in the forum?
They are mostly main- and alt-accounts.  ::)

This is not compulsory, one can make friends through the forum as well. There are local bards here and you can find people from your country with similar interests. But with the current situation, my suggestion will be not to send merit to such a fiend here even if he had made an awesome post. Take this advice more seriously if you are a new member here with low rank like member or below.

That was hard to think even me I can't send to my friend a merit because we were afraid that accuse of abusing the merit system.
But only those good quality post you may send a merit to your friend.
I think that is allowed to send to your friend a merit but not to exchange merit with each other that looks like abusing.

There is no single rules which stated we can not send merits to our friends. We can send merit to whoever has good posts/threads, even our friends. The key is the good posts/threads, if you just giving it out of a friendship, then i believe it will be categorized as a merit abuse, especially when you give a lot of it.

But as we can see, it's rarely to find this accounts that isn't abusing the system. Some are being categorized as alts and these were being proven by some users. Friendship doesn't comply on forbidding the rules of this forum.

Each participant of this forum has useful information for other users. You can encourage your friend to share useful information for those who need it!

you should not do it, it will endanger your own. kare I have found some accounts who get red trus because it gives merit to people who do not deserve it. should be careful in giving merit

Gifting merits among friend is very bad. This friends who share their merit points among themselves, have little or no quality accrued to their post all they're concerned about is getting merit to rank up. Any such act should be addressed to the admins.

The real problem is circulating sMerits between friends (they are mostly alt-accounts and main accounts) mainly rewarded those sMerits to extremely low-quality threads. It is the problem.
If someone, even they are your friends, can create constructive threads, which deserved Merits. It's doesn't matter who send those threads merits.
just do whatever they want, but please remember that merit system was launched to stimulate quality of threads in the forum.

Not only to stimulate quality threads but also to determine the connections of merited people for every accounts. In the end, merits will be consumed and the judgement day of these non-merited members will come to an end together withe the cleaning of the forum(together with inactive account,alt accounts and spammers).

it depends all from you, not from anybody else  :)
if you want to help your friends, it is not means, that you do bad thing

Giving merits is a freedom.
Like this is a open forum and suggestions and opinions are listened and understood. May or may not be agreeable. Helpful and informative. Well a user who is  a quality poster will surely receive merits. These kind of persons may be qualified as a good source of info and may be able too judge or make comments on others suggestions too. They could give merits to those they think are with quality also.
So is farmers are wasting their merits to non-deserving users, they will just end up giving their merits to useless users. Those merits will not go anywhere for sure. Also, it is possible to report them. You do not have to worry about anything. They will be punished.

Giving merits to your friends is not the best. But if only they make quality posts that benefits a lot of people on the platform then that's okay. It should not be given based on frienship terms but to reward those who go the extra mile to help other members on this forum.

Well anyone can send merit,

"I can send merit to my friend if the post is good enough and worthy to be merited."

You can send merit to your friends if it's not questionable. After all there are many people who merit their friends but the post is non-sense. Report those as a merit farmers.

Giving merit to friends is not a big deal, quit that kind mentality. The main thing we must check if the post is worthy enough to give merit.

I hate those guys who accuse people as a merit farmers because the merit is "from" a friend but the post is informative and good. Those people are trash and have a crab mentality.

For its ok to send merit to your friends as long as he/she has good quality post but if you give merit because his your friends it is not fair for those bitcoin users.Merit was made  to organize very well the forum and to be more good in posting not just to earn money.

The fact is, no one judge someone abused merit system if they send sMerits to deserved threads, which are informative, high quality, helpful, in-contexts.
This is original purposes (the main one) of merit system, to give merits as rewards to deserved users, and prevent shitposters rank up to higher levels in the forum by simply showing their shits around the forum and get easy money.

The short answer is that when your friend really deserved some merits due to his sound replies or commentaries on several questions in the forum, then there is really nothing wrong giving them some credits.